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General Section => General Discussions => Topic started by: T-Bag on June 10, 2011, 23:05
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I have read lots of topics about donations.... its all the same: "why should i to donate" or {even better} "PD are Fckers who want to make money on it."
So may i have a question for u guys, who are crying about that?
Why fawkz or MyUberNick or anybody from staff should spend a lots of their free time on this for free or even pay €200-€300 every month to keep it going on high standart, just for you guys, to let u play for free. Now u can say, "its not free we have to donate to be able to play"... NO, its still for free, because if u want to play on PD.eu, you are still able to join a game, u just cant to create it.
Check this...
(http://i55.tinypic.com/212e1r7.png)
Its 135 000 accounts - NOT players, because im guessing there is couple multiple acc.
Math lesson: So if everybody has 5 acc its 27 000 players. If even half of will donate €1 thats €13 500, that will keep server alive for 45 months {nearly 4 years}.
Guys, as u see, even €1 will make a big difference, that will keep server alive for really long time...
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Many if that 27k people are just noobs or trolls who don't visit the forum. Or they visit it only when they need unban or to make topic "WTF I cant host, need pay, fu". Am I right?
And these people will never ever give you a single cent.
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Many if that 27k people are just noobs or trolls who don't visit the forum. Or they visit it only when they need unban or to make topic "WTF I cant host, need pay, fu". Am I right?
ok, even if reduce amount to 5k.... still enought for 1year.
and im guessing thats everyone can donate €1 per year. :o
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dude are you serious?
you mean that to play DOTA i have to pay money for it?
that does contributors that the half of them are (no-lifer's)
and if i want to play some dota there are others different ways to play
i don't give a f****c if PD.EU is online or offline or not free anymore.
and i guess that in 2-3 days we will normally created games like before
but all this it was a tricky plan for people (NO-LIFER'S) to donate their money
Except going for a coffee
that reall sucks for humanity and especially teenager's
People have no money to live and you want to donate to have some entairtainment?
gg
PS: MyUberNick said that ONLY (Contributors) can host games
that smells too fishy here
so no-lifer kids will donate to play some dota :O
too bad
i thought that pd.eu was good
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dude are you serious?
you mean that to play DOTA i have to pay money for it?
that does contributors that the half of them are (no-lifer's)
and if i want to play some dota there are others different ways to play
i don't give a f****c if PD.EU is online or offline or not free anymore.
and i guess that in 2-3 days we will normally created games like before
but all this it was a tricky plan for people (NO-LIFER'S) to donate their money
Except going for a coffee
that reall sucks for humanity and especially teenager's
People have no money to live and you want to donate to have some entairtainment?
gg
PS: MyUberNick said that ONLY (Contributors) can host games
that smells too fishy here
so no-lifer kids will donate to play some dota :O
too bad
i thought that pd.eu was good
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No as i said before, u dont have to pay to be able to play... its just about to appreciate someone elses work.
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dude
don't you get it do you?
Its not about appreciates someone's stupidity that giving their money to play dota lol
but about that tricky plan that Myubernick (and everyone who is involved) that pd.eu lags and ONL CONTRIBUTORS CAN CREATE GAME'S
So people will donate for it
that's a really smart plan by adminstrator but they must be shamed for it
their are just praying for money that's all!!
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If I was fawkz I would always have this rule that is now, only contributors can create games. Maybe even if you don't donate YOU CAN'T PLAY AT ALL. Because there are so many selfish people!
IS IT SO HARD TO DONATE 1 EURO AND PLAY NORMALLY?? Uh I'm so pissed right now, sorry for caps lock.
So my point is that I support fawkz and that he should keep doing this what he is doing right now. Because like I said, so many selfish people and while they are having fun playing dota, fawkz and myubernick bust their ass out so you can play normally. And you can't even donate? You should be ashamed!!
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dude
don't you get it do you?
Its not about appreciates someone's stupidity that giving their money to play dota lol
but about that tricky plan that Myubernick (and everyone who is involved) that pd.eu lags and ONL CONTRIBUTORS CAN CREATE GAME'S
So people will donate for it
that's a really smart plan by adminstrator but they must be shamed for it
their are just praying for money that's all!!
no, u didnt get it... its about to be glad, if someone does anything for comunity... for how long it was absolutelly for free? over couple monhts, have u been playing on it?
its like, when u go to work, but u dont get your wage... u doing that for other who will use it and if any problem appears, they will cry as fcuk
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If I was fawkz I would always have this rule that is now, only contributors can create games. Maybe even if you don't donate YOU CAN'T PLAY AT ALL. Because there are so many selfish people!
IS IT SO HARD TO DONATE 1 EURO AND PLAY NORMALLY?? Uh I'm so pissed right now, sorry for caps lock.
So my point is that I support fawkz and that he should keep doing this what he is doing right now. Because like I said, so many selfish people and while they are having fun playing dota, fawkz and myubernick bust their ass out so you can play normally. And you can't even donate? You should be ashamed!!
i would only contributors to be able to create and others just play....
And as someone else said before: "People have no money to live and you want to donate to have some entairtainment?" that means people, who dont smoke, dont drink and dont have PC / internet connection { except for businees use}, then people should be able to play for free.... opps isnt it impossible? [ to play DotA - online and havent got PC]
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I would rather, and I suggest this to you - potencial contributors, donate money for something usefull.
Isn't it better to donate money to people who are starving, or people who lost their homes after earthquakes (recent ones in Japan) or just donate it in Africa fond or any other fond (breast cancer..)?
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If I was fawkz I would always have this rule that is now, only contributors can create games. Maybe even if you don't donate YOU CAN'T PLAY AT ALL. Because there are so many selfish people!
IS IT SO HARD TO DONATE 1 EURO AND PLAY NORMALLY?? Uh I'm so pissed right now, sorry for caps lock.
So my point is that I support fawkz and that he should keep doing this what he is doing right now. Because like I said, so many selfish people and while they are having fun playing dota, fawkz and myubernick bust their ass out so you can play normally. And you can't even donate? You should be ashamed!!
Will you ever stop ass licking? u do same posts on every donation thread... "im glad i donated blablabla im glad i can help blablablabal, u 2 donate money blablabal' Do you ever get tired...?
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Will you ever stop ass licking? u do same posts on every donation thread... "im glad i donated blablabla im glad i can help blablablabal, u 2 donate money blablabal' Do you ever get tired...?
I am glad I donated, and it's not my problem you're pathetic and miserable.
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I would rather, and I suggest this to you - potencial contributors, donate money for something usefull.
Isn't it better to donate money to people who are starving, or people who lost their homes after earthquakes (recent ones in Japan) or just donate it in Africa fond or any other fond (breast cancer..)?
U right, but i was talking about people who are crying, why not get everything for free.... not about this staff.
If i get £1000 but only 1 donation, i will pick donation for usefull staff instead of PD.
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I would rather, and I suggest this to you - potencial contributors, donate money for something usefull.
Isn't it better to donate money to people who are starving, or people who lost their homes after earthquakes (recent ones in Japan) or just donate it in Africa fond or any other fond (breast cancer..)?
Ofc. It is better to give money starving people. But I think this is starting to be off topic. We are starting to talk about life in general. Best you can do is to sell your computer and go to Africa to help...
I think every1 will give money to problem he/she is interested in.
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When you speak of donation ,like it was mentioned , it is free will.
You dont have to give us money ,but you will have diffucltis finding a game. We try to please everyones demands and we get nothing in return. But its your choise , but you can be selfish and help us with 2,5 or 10 euros or we can just shut bot down and everyone can play on different realm ,or stay on xpam in RO and Balkan leagues or even ss if you are pro player.
Fawkz never knew what this community will grow into. From couple bots (around 5,10) to 80 bots perfectly coded and wit lowest lags as possible,and that succes costs a lot.
So would you just let your succes fail or would you ask people to help you.
Also it is always better to give money for Haiti ,Japan ,African people or even cancers which is one of problematic issues around globe ,even i faced cancer not very long ago ,even 3 cases.Me perosnally sent around 100 euros to help people who faced disasters like in Japan. But no more offtopic.
Bottom line : If you want to to have stable community and even community at all ,we call you to help us , we dont want to ask money and limit you from playing. But this debate can last in circles . So i think you got my point ,and i understand your other oppinions as well.
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dude are you serious?
you mean that to play DOTA i have to pay money for it?
that does contributors that the half of them are (no-lifer's)
and if i want to play some dota there are others different ways to play
i don't give a f****c if PD.EU is online or offline or not free anymore.
and i guess that in 2-3 days we will normally created games like before
but all this it was a tricky plan for people (NO-LIFER'S) to donate their money
Except going for a coffee
that reall sucks for humanity and especially teenager's
People have no money to live and you want to donate to have some entairtainment?
gg
PS: MyUberNick said that ONLY (Contributors) can host games
that smells too fishy here
so no-lifer kids will donate to play some dota :O
too bad
i thought that pd.eu was good
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Ok you make community.Not playing 5 days ruined you?Will you ever pay for it?You used service for free and never gave anything in return?Its same as you going too job just to get null money?So plz don't be selfish i***t and don't complain
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Well congratulations, there are over 1000 Macedonian players and there is no option to donate for Macedonia.. (in the list of countries) Nice one ;)
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Well congratulations, there are over 1000 Macedonian players and there is no option to donate for Macedonia.. (in the list of countries) Nice one ;)
Please dont post nonsence posts. Have you even tried reading donation topic ? i saw 2 people for macedonia who made donation using system who are explained there.
There is alertpay and onebip and still you just skip that ,and OMFG I CANT DONATE NOOB PD ADMINZ.
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I would rather, and I suggest this to you - potencial contributors, donate money for something usefull.
Isn't it better to donate money to people who are starving, or people who lost their homes after earthquakes (recent ones in Japan) or just donate it in Africa fond or any other fond (breast cancer..)?
pff dota is 10 times more important than those ppls u mentioned
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Hmm donating money to ppl who starving is always noble and i respect that,even i helped in few humanitarian actions,but we are currently here coz dota,in our games we dont have discussions about politic,race,faith,nations, and others atleast we wanna to forget a real life and relax,but keeping this bots alive need some money and that hosting isnt cheap or for free,i can bet half of you spent dozen of euros on night clubs,renting tennis courts and others,donating for dota bots isnt wrong or bad,its simple your choice and good will to help server to survive and have stabile bots for YOUR GAMES
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Hmm donating money to ppl who starving is always noble and i respect that,even i helped in few humanitarian actions,but we are currently here coz dota,in our games we dont have discussions about politic,race,faith,nations, and others atleast we wanna to forget a real life and relax,but keeping this bots alive need some money and that hosting isnt cheap or for free,i can bet half of you spent dozen of euros on night clubs,renting tennis courts and others,donating for dota bots isnt wrong or bad,its simple your choice and good will to help server to survive and have stabile bots for YOUR GAMES
i give u +1 and i will give u more for sure
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Ohhh take a look , unthinkable retarded kids ,,,,,,
YOu compare playdota.eu with my job?
are you serious? tell me please
if you are contributor and you want to lick some ass its not my problem..
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that bots are frrom STEFOS not from Fawkz...they dont need to donate something to Will able to play...PD now sux...as i said go play RGC,much more ppls and no need to donate something
+1
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I would rather, and I suggest this to you - potencial contributors, donate money for something usefull.
Isn't it better to donate money to people who are starving, or people who lost their homes after earthquakes (recent ones in Japan) or just donate it in Africa fond or any other fond (breast cancer..)?
pff dota is 10 times more important than those ppls u mentioned
Is what?
you prefer giving 10euro to play dota
or 10euro to save 10kids from any disease?
you are so retard ....
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I must say i don't get this thing with constant server issues in past months and now this donations...This a great community and everything and bot is nice, but can anyone explain to me, how the fuck is garena for free? Sure, they have that stupid gold accounts, but that doesn't stop me from playing ANY game in their repertoire and u can always join the room without gold acc...i mean how do they support that ammount of players and that ammount of matches and diff games? I bet 99% of their users have regular accounts...
Now this isn't a praise for garena so no 'mofo likes garena gtfo u're not wanted here' etc. etc. replies...I mean i would trade 3 garena's for 1 single WORKING pd.bot community. You must admit that this will happen again, and i don't think that past 13th of june things will change. And yes, 1e is not much for any of us, but i think it's kind of a principle, one dude already said, i ain't paying for entertainment.
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. DIsable creating games of pd ! To create game you must pay for it ?!?!?!?
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Donate is a free act to help us to keep the bots alive.
If you dont want to donate, just wait till monday/thursday when everyone will be able to host again.
Meanwhile we cannot let everyone host because we have not the regular resources atm due to the bandwidth exceed.
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that's a really smart plan by adminstrator but they must be shamed for it
their are just praying for money that's all!!
Yes. SHAME on them for wanting some compensation for a service they've been providing for everyone, for free.
Look, if I own a puddle of piss and wanted to charge you money to jump in it, that's my right. If you don't like it, you can go make your own puddle of piss or find another one, but that's my puddle and I get to do whatever I want with it - and if I choose to let you jump on it for free, that's out of my own good will and generosity.
PD.eu has been providing you with the service of hosting games with minimum delay and a player rating and autoban system, all of these improving your gaming quality and experience. For free.
And there are people involved in this community who use a good amount of their time to read your ban requests, unban requests, watch your replays, read your complaints etc.
If you think paying 1€ for that is too much, that's your opinion which you are entitled to. Nobody is stopping you from finding other (free) alternatives but I don't see a reason why you would go and insult the people who have donated - and the whole community and staff for doing something they have every right to do.
And keep in mind, this is from a guy (meaning me) that hasn't even donated, out of personal reasons, but I can still respect and appreciate what PD.eu is doing.
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. DIsable creating games of pd To create game you must pay for it ?!?!?!?
You mad bro?
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Well congratulations, there are over 1000 Macedonian players and there is no option to donate for Macedonia.. (in the list of countries) Nice one ;)
Please dont post nonsence posts. Have you even tried reading donation topic ? i saw 2 people for macedonia who made donation using system who are explained there.
There is alertpay and onebip and still you just skip that ,and OMFG I CANT DONATE NOOB PD ADMINZ.
I never used the words u did :) words like "OMFG I CANT DONATE NOOB PD ADMINZ", also if u saw, could you send me the link where it is explained? :)
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. DIsable creating games of pd ! To create game you must pay for it ?!?!?!? !
So get your own bot and create your own game.... or just simply respect, what other people are doing and dont be a wee stupid fcker.
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I never used the words u did :) words like "OMFG I CANT DONATE NOOB PD ADMINZ", also if u saw, could you send me the link where it is explained? :)
http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,60250.0.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,60250.0.html)
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dude are you serious?
you mean that to play DOTA i have to pay money for it?
that does contributors that the half of them are (no-lifer's)
and if i want to play some dota there are others different ways to play
i don't give a f****c if PD.EU is online or offline or not free anymore.
and i guess that in 2-3 days we will normally created games like before
but all this it was a tricky plan for people (NO-LIFER'S) to donate their money
Except going for a coffee
that reall sucks for humanity and especially teenager's
People have no money to live and you want to donate to have some entairtainment?
gg
PS: MyUberNick said that ONLY (Contributors) can host games
that smells too fishy here
so no-lifer kids will donate to play some dota :O
too bad
i thought that pd.eu was good
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1st - u definitelly need some heavy arguments and fact for such heavy accusation.
Even if its only trick - why other ppl with legal capacity cannot see through it as clearly as u do? On one hand you are saying u dont care on the other it seems to me u care too much.
In addition i dont get it - why is everybody crying that it is not fair to start paying (or donating and enjoying unrestricted access) for something that was free? I understand the fact that DotA was always for free but if i remember the "good old times" properly - u have to use your own bot (that leads to fact there was no control over the host abusing his powers) or use Garena etc.. U can always stop playing here and find solution which suits u more. Its your own decicion.
So i dont get the point of your babble. Pd is not your project nor your stroke nor serviced payed by u.
Staff here should make a new folder a bit inspirated by "new member introduction" and u should call it "old member leave-taking". There such ppl could write such things as: "I enjoyed time playing here, but now im pissed off and im leaving this community, coz there is nothing i can do about it nor i have right to do so... cya"
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i agree with that....70% of constributors didnt give 1 fuckin euro for host...and the 30% are tards wgo play 24/7 dota geeks and freaks
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IDC I'll wait the 2 more days until I can host again. NP
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dude are you serious?
you mean that to play DOTA i have to pay money for it?
that does contributors that the half of them are (no-lifer's)
and if i want to play some dota there are others different ways to play
i don't give a f****c if PD.EU is online or offline or not free anymore.
and i guess that in 2-3 days we will normally created games like before
but all this it was a tricky plan for people (NO-LIFER'S) to donate their money
Except going for a coffee
that reall sucks for humanity and especially teenager's
People have no money to live and you want to donate to have some entairtainment?
gg
PS: MyUberNick said that ONLY (Contributors) can host games
that smells too fishy here
so no-lifer kids will donate to play some dota :O
too bad
i thought that pd.eu was good
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1st - u definitelly need some heavy arguments and fact for such heavy accusation.
Even if its only trick - why other ppl with legal capacity cannot see through it as clearly as u do? On one hand you are saying u dont care on the other it seems to me u care too much.
In addition i dont get it - why is everybody crying that it is not fair to start paying (or donating and enjoying unrestricted access) for something that was free? I understand the fact that DotA was always for free but if i remember the "good old times" properly - u have to use your own bot (that leads to fact there was no control over the host abusing his powers) or use Garena etc.. U can always stop playing here and find solution which suits u more. Its your own decicion.
So i dont get the point of your babble. Pd is not your project nor your stroke nor serviced payed by u.
Staff here should make a new folder a bit inspirated by "new member introduction" and u should call it "old member leave-taking". There such ppl could write such things as: "I enjoyed time playing here, but now im pissed off and im leaving this community, coz there is nothing i can do about it nor i have right to do so... cya"
agreed 100%
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dude are you serious?
you mean that to play DOTA i have to pay money for it?
that does contributors that the half of them are (no-lifer's)
and if i want to play some dota there are others different ways to play
i don't give a f****c if PD.EU is online or offline or not free anymore.
and i guess that in 2-3 days we will normally created games like before
but all this it was a tricky plan for people (NO-LIFER'S) to donate their money
Except going for a coffee
that reall sucks for humanity and especially teenager's
People have no money to live and you want to donate to have some entairtainment?
gg
PS: MyUberNick said that ONLY (Contributors) can host games
that smells too fishy here
so no-lifer kids will donate to play some dota :O
too bad
i thought that pd.eu was good
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1st - u definitelly need some heavy arguments and fact for such heavy accusation.
Even if its only trick - why other ppl with legal capacity cannot see through it as clearly as u do? On one hand you are saying u dont care on the other it seems to me u care too much.
In addition i dont get it - why is everybody crying that it is not fair to start paying (or donating and enjoying unrestricted access) for something that was free? I understand the fact that DotA was always for free but if i remember the "good old times" properly - u have to use your own bot (that leads to fact there was no control over the host abusing his powers) or use Garena etc.. U can always stop playing here and find solution which suits u more. Its your own decicion.
So i dont get the point of your babble. Pd is not your project nor your stroke nor serviced payed by u.
Staff here should make a new folder a bit inspirated by "new member introduction" and u should call it "old member leave-taking". There such ppl could write such things as: "I enjoyed time playing here, but now im pissed off and im leaving this community, coz there is nothing i can do about it nor i have right to do so... cya"
agreed 100%
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ehhhhh okey i am the bad one here i think :(
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ehhhhh okey i am the bad one here i think :(
you are not the black sheep,do not feel that way :)
there are ofcourse some users out there thinking different about this period and its natural
to all users
check this text if you want,a bit long but still there is the main question and my answer(about this donations/bot situation)
Can some1 Admin or moderator anserw me why only contributors and donators can hosted game, why we need w8 still 13 and why they can repair this problem today? Do you wana make money or what?
Because we are above the quota of data transfer(map dls etc) ==> bot will lag if everyone host
So we can atm only provide hosting to the people who help us. We never disabled people joining the games.
If we wanted to make money,we would say it directly cause pd.eu deserves allready,we dont need cheap tactics.
To others
This kind of topics show us how important pd.eu is.
I have account on RGC and on some other servers.Without special channels you can't have 1 decent game.Everygame you enter,you will face leavers within 5 mins,any kind of rule breakers.(pub games i am talking about)
and on those special channels you only play -cm and you can't have a relax/fine funny game and even your hero selection depends on your captain.
What I am saying is,stop comparing pd.eu with other clients/servers.This is the best place for standart dota lovers,average pub players(%95 of the ppl who play this game)
There are many topics like this and our forum b/u moderators or even our root admins answer them but some of you insist on not understanding.
The fact is only some of you will have hosting opportunity and we will have way lesser games than usual for 2 more days. Deal with it!
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ehhhhh okey i am the bad one here i think :(
You know what they say. Never mind what haters say, ignore them 'till they fade away ;)
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about the macedonian guy..
He tried to say that even if he has good will and money to donate, hes unable to do it in few clicks.
And spending hours for creating accounts on third party web-sites just to give money to playdota is obviously not an option for him. Why would he bother when he can play it for free also.
@topic
If i understood myubernick, playdota exceeded their bandwidth and they have slower/lesser netSpeed/resources. So if there are 40 games played in same time, it will lag like hell, and everyone will drop out. And its really unfair to forbid hosting/playing games to someone who has donated money to playdota.
So i fully support this decision. Keep up the good work!
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For all the people trying to point that this is some trick, why would we only do it for about a week. Why was there about 20 crashes a day? Bot had reached its max bandwidth. In announcement it was stated that instead of shutting bot down for a week anyone who wants can donate and be able to host. After 14th everything will go back to normal.
So what is the problem?
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For all the people trying to point that this is some trick, why would we only do it for about a week. Why was there about 20 crashes a day? Bot had reached its max bandwidth. In announcement it was stated that instead of shutting bot down for a week anyone who wants can donate and be able to host. After 14th everything will go back to normal.
So what is the problem?
Do u know whats a problem?
Once u tounch anything, whats for free, and put some permission on it, people always start crying. Especially, when u touch their wallet.
I would even say: "People become mad." :(
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Unfortunately I won't be able to play a few months, but I'm gonna donate, just coz it's awesome server, with gr8 ban/unban system and ladder (however psr needs to be improved). Maybe contributors need some additional privileges like in garena, most of my friends bought gold account. There can be many options rly, even if some wont be "fair" like in iccup/garena.
1. You lose less/get more points every game you play.
2. You see number of players in game when you try to join, like in iccup. So when you r looking for a game u know how many players are there. Maybe you see pts average or #points you get if you join.
and explain players that it is easy to donate, explain how they can do it.
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Unfortunately I won't be able to play a few months, but I'm gonna donate, just coz it's awesome server, with gr8 ban/unban system and ladder (however psr needs to be improved). Maybe contributors need some additional privileges like in garena, most of my friends bought gold account. There can be many options rly, even if some wont be "fair" like in iccup/garena.
1. You lose less/get more points every game you play.
2. You see number of players in game when you try to join, like in iccup. So when you r looking for a game u know how many players are there. Maybe you see pts average or #points you get if you join.
and explain players that it is easy to donate, explain how they can do it.
Yes we want to give as much as we can to contriboturs ,more ideas could be usefull as well.
Things will change after will take care of everything.
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I like the way you think and express yourself Duffman. Keep it up man. +1 from me.
dude are you serious?
you mean that to play DOTA i have to pay money for it?
that does contributors that the half of them are (no-lifer's)
and if i want to play some dota there are others different ways to play
i don't give a f****c if PD.EU is online or offline or not free anymore.
and i guess that in 2-3 days we will normally created games like before
but all this it was a tricky plan for people (NO-LIFER'S) to donate their money
Except going for a coffee
that reall sucks for humanity and especially teenager's
People have no money to live and you want to donate to have some entairtainment?
gg
PS: MyUberNick said that ONLY (Contributors) can host games
that smells too fishy here
so no-lifer kids will donate to play some dota :O
too bad
i thought that pd.eu was good
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1st - u definitelly need some heavy arguments and fact for such heavy accusation.
Even if its only trick - why other ppl with legal capacity cannot see through it as clearly as u do? On one hand you are saying u dont care on the other it seems to me u care too much.
In addition i dont get it - why is everybody crying that it is not fair to start paying (or donating and enjoying unrestricted access) for something that was free? I understand the fact that DotA was always for free but if i remember the "good old times" properly - u have to use your own bot (that leads to fact there was no control over the host abusing his powers) or use Garena etc.. U can always stop playing here and find solution which suits u more. Its your own decicion.
So i dont get the point of your babble. Pd is not your project nor your stroke nor serviced payed by u.
Staff here should make a new folder a bit inspirated by "new member introduction" and u should call it "old member leave-taking". There such ppl could write such things as: "I enjoyed time playing here, but now im pissed off and im leaving this community, coz there is nothing i can do about it nor i have right to do so... cya"
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Elsen psr isn't base on elo system(about your signature)People can't you wait 1-2 day to play dota?
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Unfortunalety it is. Read http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,54272.0.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,54272.0.html) or here is the important part:
" (...) We made a new relative rating system based on ELO, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system) Current score value has been replaced by PSR which stands for "player skill rating". Every player with no games starts at 1500 PSR, then you lose/gain rating as you lose/win games. (...)"
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Dota is Sentinel vs Scourge, a team vs another one. Does it make sense to you?
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Unfortunately I won't be able to play a few months, but I'm gonna donate, just coz it's awesome server, with gr8 ban/unban system and ladder (however psr needs to be improved). Maybe contributors need some additional privileges like in garena, most of my friends bought gold account. There can be many options rly, even if some wont be "fair" like in iccup/garena.
1. You lose less/get more points every game you play.
2. You see number of players in game when you try to join, like in iccup. So when you r looking for a game u know how many players are there. Maybe you see pts average or #points you get if you join.
and explain players that it is easy to donate, explain how they can do it.
Nice idea.
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Dota is Sentinel vs Scourge, a team vs another one. Does it make sense to you?
Thanks for this, I thaught noone will bring this up.
Yes Dota is 1 team vs 1 team and IF there would be psr made for WHOLE team (actually "tsr" right?) than it would be fine. But teams play only on tournaments and leagues, bot not casual games on pub. In the end there is still 5 different PSRs vs 5 different PSRs. So no, it does not make sense to me.
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dude are you serious?
you mean that to play DOTA i have to pay money for it?
that does contributors that the half of them are (no-lifer's)
and if i want to play some dota there are others different ways to play
i don't give a f****c if PD.EU is online or offline or not free anymore.
and i guess that in 2-3 days we will normally created games like before
but all this it was a tricky plan for people (NO-LIFER'S) to donate their money
Except going for a coffee
that reall sucks for humanity and especially teenager's
People have no money to live and you want to donate to have some entairtainment?
gg
PS: MyUberNick said that ONLY (Contributors) can host games
that smells too fishy here
so no-lifer kids will donate to play some dota :O
too bad
i thought that pd.eu was good
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Ppl like u make me rly mad...
1st: u are moron just like lot's of people here who trolling donations
2nd: cotributors aren't nolifer's, they are people who want to help this community.
3rd: We are not pay to play, we pay to help big different...
4th: Why do u trolls talk about donation like its 100000e, its just few euros and lot of ppl ll agree with me that we all can donate few euros per month/year...
5th: if we are nolifer's u are lazy ass, u dont have to pay for coffe in caffe, u can make it xD.. Cheapest way :). 2coffee=1donate for Pd.
6th: And i think that u are ungrateful... Since i play here i have great time and a lot of nice games, also i think lot of ppl will agree with me...
7th: And again i ll fully agree with Final_End post here
@iMusic: U rly thinkg that 100% of donations for Africa, Japan etc etc goes there? Lol gimme a break....
U trolls dont respect what Fawkz doing for us... I can just say ty pd staff....
Call me asslicker i dont care i rly dont, I just respect their job and they do it for free...
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Dota is Sentinel vs Scourge, a team vs another one. Does it make sense to you?
Thanks for this, I thaught noone will bring this up.
Yes Dota is 1 team vs 1 team and IF there would be psr made for WHOLE team (actually "tsr" right?) than it would be fine. But teams play only on tournaments and leagues, bot not casual games on pub. In the end there is still 5 different PSRs vs 5 different PSRs. So no, it does not make sense to me.
And again you bring this up in every topic
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Dota is Sentinel vs Scourge, a team vs another one. Does it make sense to you?
Thanks for this, I thaught noone will bring this up.
Yes Dota is 1 team vs 1 team and IF there would be psr made for WHOLE team (actually "tsr" right?) than it would be fine. But teams play only on tournaments and leagues, bot not casual games on pub. In the end there is still 5 different PSRs vs 5 different PSRs. So no, it does not make sense to me.
And again you bring this up in every topic
It's not him who bring it in every topic - thats his signature and ppl who answer it. U cannot blame him - he is not the one who starts discussing it everywhere. :D
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Dota is Sentinel vs Scourge, a team vs another one. Does it make sense to you?
Thanks for this, I thaught noone will bring this up.
Yes Dota is 1 team vs 1 team and IF there would be psr made for WHOLE team (actually "tsr" right?) than it would be fine. But teams play only on tournaments and leagues, bot not casual games on pub. In the end there is still 5 different PSRs vs 5 different PSRs. So no, it does not make sense to me.
It is sentinel average PSR vs scourge average PSR, then you gain/lose depending of your personal psr and your average team one; you should get used to teamplay even in a pub game, sorry this system is not made for solo pub stomper players, that's why it maybe makes no sense to you.
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Dota is Sentinel vs Scourge, a team vs another one. Does it make sense to you?
Thanks for this, I thaught noone will bring this up.
Yes Dota is 1 team vs 1 team and IF there would be psr made for WHOLE team (actually "tsr" right?) than it would be fine. But teams play only on tournaments and leagues, bot not casual games on pub. In the end there is still 5 different PSRs vs 5 different PSRs. So no, it does not make sense to me.
It is sentinel average PSR vs scourge average PSR, then you gain/lose depending of your personal psr and your average team one; you should get used to teamplay even in a pub game, sorry this system is not made for solo pub stomper players, that's why it maybe makes no sense to you.
it makes sence but doesn't makes sence at all in same time
i won countless game when it was saying sentinel (93%) scourge (7%) so it means nothing at all also i saw tons of lowskill players with psr around 1800 guess now its all about luck to get less retarded ppls in ur team now
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^ true story. PSR means nothing.
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Dota is Sentinel vs Scourge, a team vs another one. Does it make sense to you?
Thanks for this, I thaught noone will bring this up.
Yes Dota is 1 team vs 1 team and IF there would be psr made for WHOLE team (actually "tsr" right?) than it would be fine. But teams play only on tournaments and leagues, bot not casual games on pub. In the end there is still 5 different PSRs vs 5 different PSRs. So no, it does not make sense to me.
It is sentinel average PSR vs scourge average PSR, then you gain/lose depending of your personal psr and your average team one; you should get used to teamplay even in a pub game, sorry this system is not made for solo pub stomper players, that's why it maybe makes no sense to you.
Nicely said, but that doesnt mean anything on the fact that your psr is calculated based on performance of 4 other players which contradicts ELO system where your rating is based solely on 1 person´s effort. In the end its more team evaluation rather than individual, moreover team that always changes in every game.
Ok lets end this discusion in topic which wasnt ment for this. If you have something else on your heart please feel free to PM me. Eventually I may start new topic about this issue. Have a nice day.
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Yep great idea for new rich fruitful discussion.
We dont play permanently (or for some time) with same teammates in same team - in this case we could talk about teamrating based on ELO. But we have different teammates in every game - thats different situation.
I think everybody here (amongst experienced players) know that DotA is about teamplay (thats all what i can say to your accusations that he dont know what teamplay is).
My question is - PSR is "player skill rating" am i right? So imho it should predicate how skilled u are (including your gameplay - i agree) so each host could check your PSR and said if youre good/worse/bad player. This rating based merely on your win/looses do not fullfill this function (it only says u in how may games your team managed to win/lost the game).
So it could mean anything. U could be skilled but surrounded by noobs, u could have great teamplay and your teammates not, u could be succesfull soloer which win the games coz he play -apem for some heavy carrys etc... So when i host the game i check good old !sd coz it says me much more about the players skill and teamplay.
This system have definitely not brought teamplay among pub players. I think everybody would be happy if it would do so but it does not.
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@iMusic: U rly thinkg that 100% of donations for Africa, Japan etc etc goes there? Lol gimme a break....
And 100% of these pd.eu Donations goes to Fawkz? How much % does he spend on actual paying bot?
"LOL gimme a break..."
@Elsenrail Well explained. After all its made for Chess which is 1v1 game and DotA is 5v5 game...
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...but today it is also used in many other games. It is also used as a rating system for multiplayer competition in a number of computer games...
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Sometimes it is not bad have a little read before posting,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system)
The Elo rating system is a method for calculating the relative skill levels of players in two-player games such as chess.
The Elo system was invented as an improved chess rating system.
Same for you ;)
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I'm wondering why im giving any kind an explanation to guys that just contradict anything I say without any proper reason.
Fawkz goes to bed, hf trolling around.
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I'm wondering why im giving any kind an explanation to guys that just contradict anything I say without any proper reason.
Fawkz goes to bed, hf trolling around.
Whatever that means... Good night...
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mhmmm...... imusic +11111
P.S.
thats a real crying about donations because when we are looking at http://eurobattle.net/ (http://eurobattle.net/) they sayd that they better will fall than crying about donations..... http://eurobattle.net/ (http://eurobattle.net/) is absaloutly free.... they survive from reklams and donations [without forcing to donate]... +they can survive without PD.EU but u guyz can't survive without them.....so...... i will beter donate them, then PD.EU
sorry for bad english...... im from LV :P
cheers Foxish!!!
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I'm wondering why im giving any kind an explanation to guys that just contradict anything I say without any proper reason.
Fawkz goes to bed, hf trolling around.
+1
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mhmmm...... imusic +11111
P.S.
thats a real crying about donations because when we are looking at http://eurobattle.net/ (http://eurobattle.net/) they sayd that they better will fall than crying about donations..... http://eurobattle.net/ (http://eurobattle.net/) is absaloutly free.... they survive from reklams and donations [without forcing to donate]... +they can survive without PD.EU but u guyz can't survive without them.....so...... i will beter donate them, then PD.EU
sorry for bad english...... im from LV :P
cheers Foxish!!!
I think their admin is loaded so they have no probs.
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@iMusic: U rly thinkg that 100% of donations for Africa, Japan etc etc goes there? Lol gimme a break....
And 100% of these pd.eu Donations goes to Fawkz? How much % does he spend on actual paying bot?
"LOL gimme a break..."
And how much we all donate before this situation with Bot's? Not enought to pay bots i am sure...
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I have better idea if u want making money / or safe the server alive (as u want)
you are making teams with 5-10 members 1 member pay for the hole team and there are games for example 5$ per game(all mods -sd -rd -ar -cm -cd -ap) and 5% or 10% from each game are for the server and winning team wins 4.90$ losing team lose their 5$. There are many kids here they cant pay with credit/debit cards, so if u make this will be really good and more pro gamers will come here and will be very very good! :)
Best Regards,
FeaRSoMe.hypito
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@Foxish they can live whit comercials(rekalamas) because users need to go to their site and register they would see comericals and eb.net will get some money thats how they survive and donations which is pretty often when many of them want op status but pd can't
about ELO only !rs is using that system otherwise psr would never have points like +6/-6(example)
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I have better idea if u want making money / or safe the server alive (as u want)
you are making teams with 5-10 members 1 member pay for the hole team and there are games for example 5$ per game(all mods -sd -rd -ar -cm -cd -ap) and 5% or 10% from each game are for the server and winning team wins 4.90$ losing team lose their 5$. There are many kids here they cant pay with credit/debit cards, so if u make this will be really good and more pro gamers will come here and will be very very good! :)
Best Regards,
FeaRSoMe.hypito
Imo we shouldn't play for money. And it will be worse than last few days, you saw how many "Why I need to pay?!" topic were created.
Maybe buying credits or something (0.10€ for 1 game) but winning money isn't good idea imo. You do 1 bad move in game and you get flamed etc. And in this case, some special system would be needed - what if some1 leave or game will be !rmked.
Another problem would be Blizzard. Game developers usually don't hunt every single "pirate" but if some1 is getting money by using (illegally) their software without their knowledge it would be problem imo.
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Well, I really don't understand what's the whole problem!
People will always complain about something - lags, newbies, leavers, the bot is not available at the moment, etc. The world is full with kids, or unhappy people wanting to put their hatred somewhere.
I think the whole problem is that, some people, take everything for granted, including this. You should learn, that to have a stable gaming community with nice environment to play no lags, stats or whatsoever, there should be work from both sides. These moderators and admins are trying to provide something good for everyone and what, people start complaining when the very same admins are experiencing difficulties in keeping it up. I find nothing bad in donating some amount of money, when is needed for keeping the server up.
But honestly when you haven't donated anything for this server you do NOT have the rights to come here and complain about anything. You do NOT have the right to say absolutely nothing about the way they manage everything.
For those, who say that they can play somewhere else, ask yourselfs why are you even here on pd.eu?
Good community is build only with efforts from both sides, whether this would be with donations, help with maintenance or joining the team with contributing skills and knowledge. Otherwise you will be forced to pay like in World of Warcraft for example.
Keep up with the good work guys!
Cheers!
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...but today it is also used in many other games. It is also used as a rating system for multiplayer competition in a number of computer games...
Y sure - we can also use wiki. Sorry for irony but quote what u have done here is called garbling. Y ELO is both used for single and for multiplayer games. We agree with this. But not for kind of multiplayer we have here on pd. If u look properly on all theese calculations - one thing is obvious => its 1v1 rating (both for single and for multiplayer) but its 1v1. In multiplayer that means team vs. team. We, here on pd, do not have any kind of tournament with consistent teams. Thats the difference we care about. We are trying to point that this kind of PSR is not your "personal skill rating" it says nothing eminent about your skill nor your gameplay nor your teamplay. Thats all.
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...but today it is also used in many other games. It is also used as a rating system for multiplayer competition in a number of computer games...
Y sure - we can also use wiki. Sorry for irony but quote what u have done here is called garbling. Y ELO is both used for single and for multiplayer games. We agree with this. But not for kind of multiplayer we have here on pd. If u look properly on all theese calculations - one thing is obvious => its 1v1 rating (both for single and for multiplayer) but its 1v1. In multiplayer that means team vs. team. We, here on pd, do not have any kind of tournament with consistent teams. Thats the difference we care about. We are trying to point that this kind of PSR is not your "personal skill rating" it says nothing eminent about your skill nor your gameplay nor your teamplay. Thats all.
well said bro +1
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i tihnk that topic must be closed
season passed and now its completely normal
someones must give an end to this spam :P
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dude are you serious?
you mean that to play DOTA i have to pay money for it?
that does contributors that the half of them are (no-lifer's)
and if i want to play some dota there are others different ways to play
i don't give a f****c if PD.EU is online or offline or not free anymore.
and i guess that in 2-3 days we will normally created games like before
but all this it was a tricky plan for people (NO-LIFER'S) to donate their money
Except going for a coffee
that reall sucks for humanity and especially teenager's
hahah,and every donator is no lifer to u,idiiot i can bet that my private life or of lot of ppl here is much better than urs,we just want to help them keep working cause we like pd.bot and we appriciate job of ppl that works on this bot,cause this bot is much better than garena,dotalicious or something like that,so if u dont want to play here,go away and dont blame ppl,u idiot
People have no money to live and you want to donate to have some entairtainment?
gg
PS: MyUberNick said that ONLY (Contributors) can host games
that smells too fishy here
so no-lifer kids will donate to play some dota :O
too bad
i thought that pd.eu was good
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lol funny one,for u all donators are no lifers,and i can bet that my private life and of lot ppl here is much better than urs,so dont blame ppl on that stupid way just cause they want to help the community and keep this allive,cause its much betetr to play than in garena or dotalicios,so if u dont like it go away,idiot,tnx
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You can keep server live from advertising and sponsors!
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The poit is rly easy:
Why we shouldnt believe to the admins? This is the first time they ask for money in this way. Ofc if every month happens the same situation I will be the first to doubt of them but 4 once...
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You can keep server live from advertising and sponsors!
Sure... Why dont u open ur server and keep it alive from advertising and sponsors....
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Sure there can be milions of adds and banners, pop up porn windows etc but than every1 would say "F**king adds I can't even find the forum!" or so.