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Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2020, 02:44 »
@mordor911 @TooShade @Rob_Real

I challenge you guys to a 3v3 or 5v5, hit me up with the date

In which version?

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2020, 06:08 »
You say that remembering to put l in a command is too hard but argue to split the bots into two channels which is 200% more confusing and will completely divide the player base on their own isolated islands.

l or c, who cares really, if I didn't write what it means nobody would even know, it is irrelavant, a single letter. 6.9 is a legacy map for the simple fact that it will not receive a single patch or update ever again as claimed by the creator. So it will eventually become just like Icefrog Dota.

!lobbies command can be improved to show which DotA is used for the game, this way you don't need to enter the game to find out.
why do you run this server man?
for fun for gain whatever the reason but you have to give the players what they want or they will just fuck off...do it the right way.

and why the old map wont receive any update ??????
did you try to fix tuskar bug?
why you didnt add the new items on 6.90

instead of changing the whole 6.90 you could add and fix...and you should know that upgrades is not forever on ....you may improve the base.!.but.!.at some point when you reach perfection upgrade should stop ...means any change or add will make it worse.

here is what i want as a player in this server:

1-fix tuskar bug in 6.90

2-add the new items from v7 to v6.90 without changing anything of map features

and you are right add l or fuck to commands is nothing but you guys want to force the new map on players ...and we all knew that since the first appearance of the new map
@Arthas this is it, Dracol1ch is map creator and not cen. No more updates. We are all used to what 6.9 map already offer to us.
Cen can separate dota6.9 and dota7 as 2 leagues with 2 ladders and 2 channels or Dota6.9 can be default again with !pub command.
Thank you for support. Call people who play with you to join this topic with their oppinions. The same guys, lobbying group convinced administration to push this change so they can take a part of dota6.9 players and they got it. Minority of Dota7 map is above the Majority of Dota6.9 map. This can happen only on dota.eurobattle.net.
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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2020, 06:23 »
For confused fellas who ask what is Dota7:


ALL GAMES CALCULATED IN THE LAST 5 DAYS SINCE DEFAULT MAP CHANGE
AND AFTER ADVANTAGE  HAS BEEN GIVEN TO MINORITY MAP Dota7

- Day1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 95 - 11 = 84 games
Dota7 - draw = 55 - 6 = 49 games

- Day2 part1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 67 - 9 = 58 games
Dota7 - draw = 53 - 13 = 40 games
- Day2 part2:
Dota6.9 - draw = 42 - 2 = 40 games
Dota7 - draw = 35 - 3 = 32 games

- Day3:
Dota6.9 - draw = 79 - 3 = 76  games
Dota7 - draw = 61 - 8 = 53 games

- Day4:
Dota6.9 - draw = 88 - 5 = 83 games
Dota7 - draw = 64 - 16 = 48 games

- Day5:
Dota6.9 - draw = 90 - 8 = 82 games
Dota7 - draw = 56 - 9 = 45 games

Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5 = 84+58+40+76+83+82= 423 map6.9 games finished
Dota7    = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5 = 49+40+32+53+48+45= 267 map7.0 games finished


Total games played in last 5 days since default map change = 423+267= 690
For sure 5%-20% games are result of default dota7 map autopick on !pub command. 61% games at this moment are dota6.9 while real balance is for sure 64+% for dota6.9. Main question is without this help from !pub command does dota7 have over 30% of total games at all?

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Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2020, 07:57 »
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1-fix tuskar bug in 6.90

2-add the new items in v7 to v6.90 without changing anything of map features



Give me the souce please.!?
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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2020, 08:44 »
For confused fellas who ask what is Dota7:


ALL GAMES CALCULATED IN THE LAST 5 DAYS SINCE DEFAULT MAP CHANGE
AND AFTER ADVANTAGE  HAS BEEN GIVEN TO MINORITY MAP Dota7

- Day1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 95 - 11 = 84 games
Dota7 - draw = 55 - 6 = 49 games

- Day2 part1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 67 - 9 = 58 games
Dota7 - draw = 53 - 13 = 40 games
- Day2 part2:
Dota6.9 - draw = 42 - 2 = 40 games
Dota7 - draw = 35 - 3 = 32 games

- Day3:
Dota6.9 - draw = 79 - 3 = 76  games
Dota7 - draw = 61 - 8 = 53 games

- Day4:
Dota6.9 - draw = 88 - 5 = 83 games
Dota7 - draw = 64 - 16 = 48 games

- Day5:
Dota6.9 - draw = 90 - 8 = 82 games
Dota7 - draw = 56 - 9 = 45 games

Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5 = 84+58+40+76+83+82= 423 map6.9 games finished
Dota7    = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5 = 49+40+32+53+48+45= 267 map7.0 games finished


Total games played in last 5 days since default map change = 423+267= 690
For sure 5%-20% games are result of default dota7 map autopick on !pub command. 61% games at this moment are dota6.9 while real balance is for sure 64+% for dota6.9. Main question is without this help from !pub command does dota7 have over 30% of total games at all?

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2020, 08:45 »
Imagine running a Dota 1 community during the time when three different Warcraft patches are active, still caring enough to try and make the best choices and compromises for the sake of community, and ending up with these kind of topics on an almost weekly basis and people asking you: "Why do you run this server man?" The fuck is wrong with some of you guys...

Anyway, TL:DR, the point is, the whining was the same when 6.85 was out, as well as when 6.89 was out, and here we go again on 7.00. Perhaps the best thing some of you guys can do is switch to GameRanger, those peeps choose not to evolve and keep playing 6.83, sounds like a fucking dream for some of you guys.

I don't even play 7.00 and even I agree that it's better to switch to it, simply cause things have to progress in order for improvement to happen. Or I guess you can do what Bnet peeps are doing, and play versions like Dota 6.85k NE15 v6. The perks of patching up a single Dota version are real...

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Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2020, 10:32 »
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and why the old map wont receive any update ??????
did you try to fix tuskar bug?
why you didnt add the new items on 6.90
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

ok this topic is just so good, please continue !
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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2020, 11:15 »
It is in a sense an honor for people to think we own everything DotA related. It is understandable that people get confused since the reality is, behind the mask there is a wild west of ancient technologies and loosely connected communities that just happen to work because of a series of coincidental events through history. The fact that d1stats map can exist is pure luck even. It is all kinda funny.

Anyone got tips for Luna jungle?

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2020, 14:08 »
Anyone got tips for Luna jungle?
Pro tip - just don't.

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Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2020, 16:51 »
Quote from: phaq link=topic=198483.msg705247#msg705247
Give me the souce please.!?



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Anyone got tips for Luna jungle?

Same as for every ranged hero, buy damage like mask or the jungle item and stand in the right spots so the creeps cant reach you and farm melee creeps starting from weak ones to level up. In 6.9 collect coins for exp

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2020, 17:22 »
Games played today:
DotaMap = DotaMapGames - draw = total games
Dota6.9 = 16 - 1 = 15
Dota7   =  7  -  2 = 05


150 accounts involved playing Dota6.9 and 50 accounts involved playing Dota7.

Imagine running a Dota 1 community during the time when three different Warcraft patches are active, still caring enough to try and make the best choices and compromises for the sake of community, and ending up with these kind of topics on an almost weekly basis and people asking you: "Why do you run this server man?" The fuck is wrong with some of you guys...

Anyway, TL:DR, the point is, the whining was the same when 6.85 was out, as well as when 6.89 was out, and here we go again on 7.00. Perhaps the best thing some of you guys can do is switch to GameRanger, those peeps choose not to evolve and keep playing 6.83, sounds like a fucking dream for some of you guys.

I don't even play 7.00 and even I agree that it's better to switch to it, simply cause things have to progress in order for improvement to happen. Or I guess you can do what Bnet peeps are doing, and play versions like Dota 6.85k NE15 v6. The perks of patching up a single Dota version are real...
Your post has no point and is not related to this subject since you are not dota player anymore and this topic is about dota players and dota game, and the question is for you, why do you care to post about this if you are not a player? If you want Dota7.00 go and play it or watch it or use GameRanger to play it, but do not make an illusion and do not talk about default map with minority of players and games should be improvement and progress just because its newer. You and GameRanger are made for eachother. Newer does not mean more quality or better experience nor in this case is more popular. Let the things to be back to as before where Dota6.9 is default and then talk about progress. Here we do not have equality, 423 vs 267 games is small difference for only 5 days, isn't it?
Now go and switch to GameRanger and enjoy your Dota 6.85k NE15 v6. Good luck.

And what does it mean this 423 vs 267? It means 10 accounts in each game to start and to finish the game, from 10 accounts in each game 5 accounts will get +PSR and 5 accounts will get -PSR, 4230 Dota6.9 accounts vs 2670 Dota7 accounts. This is very huge difference in popularity. And from 2670 accounts involved more than 500 are undecided players or better to say they prefer Dota6.7 but play Dota7 because it happens mistake with !pub command or they do not know how to host Dota6.9.
In one room can be 4230 chocolates and free and in another 2670 and free, all chocolates are the same. Which room is better to pick? 10 people will eat 4230 chocolates entire year and 5 people will eat 2670 chocolates half of the year. Logic is more than simple.

This topic is about active Dota6.9 map and wild buggy misscalled dota map Dota7, and players.
Please stick to the topic. 10 or more posts are not related with topic.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2020, 17:32 by mordor911 »

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2020, 17:36 »
Games played today:
DotaMap = DotaMapGames - draw = total games
Dota6.9 = 16 - 1 = 15
Dota7   =  7  -  2 = 05


150 accounts involved playing Dota6.9 and 50 accounts involved playing Dota7.

Imagine running a Dota 1 community during the time when three different Warcraft patches are active, still caring enough to try and make the best choices and compromises for the sake of community, and ending up with these kind of topics on an almost weekly basis and people asking you: "Why do you run this server man?" The fuck is wrong with some of you guys...

Anyway, TL:DR, the point is, the whining was the same when 6.85 was out, as well as when 6.89 was out, and here we go again on 7.00. Perhaps the best thing some of you guys can do is switch to GameRanger, those peeps choose not to evolve and keep playing 6.83, sounds like a fucking dream for some of you guys.

I don't even play 7.00 and even I agree that it's better to switch to it, simply cause things have to progress in order for improvement to happen. Or I guess you can do what Bnet peeps are doing, and play versions like Dota 6.85k NE15 v6. The perks of patching up a single Dota version are real...
Your post has no point and is not related to this subject since you are not dota player anymore and this topic is about dota players and dota game, and the question is for you, why do you care to post about this if you are not a player? If you want Dota7.00 go and play it or watch it or use GameRanger to play it, but do not make an illusion and do not talk about default map with minority of players and games should be improvement and progress just because its newer. You and GameRanger are made for eachother. Newer does not mean more quality or better experience nor in this case is more popular. Let the things to be back to as before where Dota6.9 is default and then talk about progress. Here we do not have equality, 423 vs 267 games is small difference for only 5 days, isn't it?
Now go and switch to GameRanger and enjoy your Dota 6.85k NE15 v6. Good luck.

And what does it mean this 423 vs 267? It means 10 accounts in each game to start and to finish the game, 4230 accounts vs 2670 accounts. This is very huge difference in popularity. And from 2670 accounts involved more than 500 are undecided players or better to say they prefer Dota6.7 but play Dota7 because it happens mistake with !pub command or they do not know how to host Dota6.9.


This topic is about active Dota6.9 map and wild buggy misscalled dota map Dota7.
Please stick to the topic. 10 or more posts are not related with topic.

Okay you triggered me to reply on this, on other server there is 6k players who play v7 and you and other 40 players who are uncapable to learn new staff and adjust to play old map, so at the end there is 6k players and lets say they play 3 games per day 18000 games  vs your 400 games.
Beat that.. How other people could adjust you can too, if you cant play that old v6 and stfu.
I stopped playing here because of an old map, but i want you to see overall how many people accepted and you and small majority make big deal about this, so ridiculous.

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2020, 17:43 »
@FataLity- expert analysis needed here

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2020, 17:51 »
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wild buggy misscalled dota map Dota7

From what i know 6.9 has tuskar bug and riki bug. What bugs 7.00 has?

Also why 6.9 should stay as official map and not the classic dota 6.73d?

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6.85k is not dota anymore, keep 6.73d
6.88 is not dota anymore, keep 6.85k
6.9 is not dota anymore, keep 6.88
7.00 is not dota anymore, keep 6.9
<You are here>
?? is not dota anymore, keep 7.00

For good statistics @cen need to publish it, for whole 2020 year
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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2020, 17:56 »

In one room can be 4230 chocolates and free and in another 2670 and free, all chocolates are the same. Which room is better to pick? 10 people will eat 4230 chocolates entire year and 5 people will eat 2670 chocolates half of the year. Logic is more than simple.

I can't decide if you're being stupidly dangerous or dangerously stupid.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2020, 19:17 by Happy.. »