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Title: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: LordofDrinks on February 03, 2011, 02:22
I had a clear MH report. The guy has already whispered me that he has MH. I was going to post it here. But I saw that game replay link is broken. The MHer was the host and I think he destroyed the link intentionally after I detected his MH.

The guy is still unbanned. I am banned by him because I left his MAP HACKED game. 

Now is this a bug in playdota.eu servers?

If not who can destroy game replay?

It seems that server works for cheaters....
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: MaNiaC on February 03, 2011, 02:52
Me to today play 1 game , but no link of that game . Realy shit.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: LordofDrinks on February 03, 2011, 03:10
I left the game very easily being sure that he will be permanently banned. I trusted the server.

But now what happens? I am banned. They reject to unban me. I can not play anymore. Cheater is still playing and making fun of me.

Moderators dont listen to me. I am leaving this server forever.

PLAYDOTA = SERVER FOR CHEATERS
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: totally_screwd on February 03, 2011, 03:45
listen man, if you think that one of the players use maphack, you wait till the game ends and report him,he gets perma ban in 2 days for maphack(if he uses ofc)

if all of the people behaved like you did , i mean leaving every game when you suspect a guy using maphack,we wouldnt finish a single game,you need to be patient till the game ends and watch the replay,then report the guy.

'I left the game very easily being sure that he will be permanently banned. I trusted the server. ' btw we are not the server we are just a community, a free public bot moderators and we have rules here.

playdota is not server for cheaters but people like you dont deserve to play here, you think you have right leaving that game ,but guess what we do not unban everyone who think they have right
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: M4rkl4r on February 03, 2011, 06:31
I suggest you just go watch some other games of this 'map hacker' where you can download the replay. And that you leave cause he has MH... well.. leaving is leaving, next time just try to play the game otherwise just only defend.

This bot isn't like that they support the hackers or anything, so what if the bot bugs some times? It's awesome enough that you can actually host a game yourself with it and that it keeps track of your DotA score and all your DotA games which you can look back at. Nothing is perfect, but the way this bot works, statisfies me well enough.

Btw i also had once that someone got away from ban cause the replay didn't got saved of that game, but imo you should just accept the fact that this shit happens.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: neverlate on February 03, 2011, 09:44
I dont deserve to play here because I left after whispered me he has MH. I dont deserve to play here because I trusted your website.

Why should I care for a ban? I can open another account and continue playing. But I cant not accept this happens. What you have done is totally unfair.

Look at the title for my message. It is the first time I cannot download game replay from your website. And it is the first time I will report a MH. Is it coincidence?

Well if there is a possibility for the hosts to somehow destroy the game replay this means this server is suitalbe for MAPHACKERS. Thats why I asked is it a bug or is it done intentionally? But I see that you dont care about technical problems. You only blame me.

You have banned me in a game that no replay exist. How can you be sure I left without reason? Please answer this question.

I wont accept if this shit happens. Sorry my time is valuable. I can not wait for the 8 year old idiot mapphackers with mental problems. Maybe you are right, I am not suitable for this server.

By the way I requested permanent ban and closed my forum account.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: neverlate on February 03, 2011, 11:05
Btw i also had once that someone got away from ban cause the replay didn't got saved of that game, but imo you should just accept the fact that this shit happens.

Using MH is worse than leaving a game. Map hacker can easily get away because there is no replay. But he can make me banned without any replay.

This is totally unfair. There is a bug with the rules which obviously supports cheaters. Also there is a technical bug with the game replays.

Ok I should have waited till game ends. But how can I know there bugs? I play dota from the first version. But I am not experienced with such MH things and so on.

I see people get unbanned when the simply "appologize". But when I say something logical, they only blame me. I am not a kid to applogize and beg for mercy. I am trying to explain the unfair situation and improve playdota.eu.

I could also open hundred accounts, host games with MH, spam people by whisper.... But I have a life. I just try to get rid of stress by playing some games. But the structure of this place adds even more stress. I say something HONESTLY and getting banned. If I say some LIE, I can easily get unbanned.

See, this server is a perfect place for cheaters. Maybe you dont want it that way but it is the truth.

Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: Resor on February 03, 2011, 11:13
Becouse of LordofDrinks can receive PM's I will paste it here.

Please check:

http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,46572.0.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,46572.0.html)

How can I post a Mh report when replay link is broken?

Cheaters play and they are never banned. I dont even know how to download MH crack. And I am banned.

Good job. Have fun with 10 year old idiot cheater kids. Please ban me forever. I am really angry and dont even want to hear "playdota.eu".

Everybody here tries to satisfy his ego. Ok I accept you are the perfect guardians for the server.
You ban me because I try to play fair.
You ban me because I dont want to let CHEAtERS play.
You ban me because I do not know how to deal with experienced cheaters.
You ban me because I have little bit of honour to leave a game after host whispered that hae hs MH.
You ban me because I pollute this server? Not the MHers, not the spammers, not the idiot leavers.
You ban me because I only play a GAME. I am not trying to annoy other people just to feel better.
You ban me because I have a life.

THANKS !!!

Close my forum account also. HEre is your reason :
I am swearing to all moderators:

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

Now is this ok? Believe me I am the bad guy. All your server members are ANGELS.

BYE


You just touch me with this PM. Most of you've said is truth.
Worst possible offence is using hack (MH), abusing commands like !checkban (host already done that in this game and I can ban him for this), flaming and leaving (you've done this and you break the rule this way).
You was not obligated to leave by any means.
In the future try to catch screenshots when someone whispers to you that he have MH. Private whispers are not saved in chat logs. It may be a proof.
Saving game is also abuse but in that exeptional situation (broken replay link) we can use it against player that you acuse for MH.

NoRegret    9:39       Player [LordofDrinks] is saving the game.    9:39       NoRegret

It possible that you have replay on your hard drive in Warcraft 3 folder.

Please write MH report and upload this replay from your PC. Send me PM and I will check it.
If it's true that he used MH I will unban you.

P.S. FUCK YOU TOO
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: neverlate on February 03, 2011, 11:36
I am Lordofdrinks. I closed that account. Please ban my server account forever. I really do not have time to deal with these map hackers. Yes I have a second account which I use now. You can ban this one also.

I wont play here anymore untill these stupid bugs are fixed. I am tired of struggling with MH ers, spammers, leavers...

@Resor,

Yes I have saved game in 9.39 minute. I dont know if it prooves any MH. I really lost my hope to play here. So I will not waste my time on it. Please ask the guy who banned me to proove I left without reason !!! Request replay from him just as you request it from me.

I am sure he is playing 24 hours a day with MH to satisfy his ego. I am sure he has many accounts. If I give my 1 hour just to make him use his other account, sorry but this is a totally waste of time for me. I like playing DOTA but I have a life.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: nermiee on February 03, 2011, 11:56
Oh, my,dear god, this topic is hoooooot.! :D
Btw, dude... i understand what u wanna say, but i agree with admins, u should stayed in base, wait till the game finish, than watch replay and report, i had same problems, but that fixed, and btw, if u rly see he's using mh, go test him. Go low hp somewhere in woods, and check him...

Btw, dont play Trapemso games dude.....
I dont have nothing with TR people, but as far as i heard, they cheat too much :)))
Download some replays of host who banned u, and u will see.. u just said he do MHing 27/7 ( xD )
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: totally_screwd on February 03, 2011, 12:56
'You have banned me in a game that no replay exist. How can you be sure I left without reason? Please answer this question.  '

replay link gives the error but we have a chat log which shows us the details of the game, I understand you ,you do not want to waste your time here,well neither do we but everyday we ban many accounts,maybe %80 of them switch account and keep playing but I play 5 games per day also and I only see 1 rule breaker maximum per day

I DO BELIEVE we reduce the number of the problems and somehow even people who have 6236 accounts they don't want to start over without any games etc(I wouldnt either),so they stick with the rules.So if you want to change things slightly you can spare your minutes and report its up to you.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: neverlate on February 03, 2011, 13:14
Chat log does not tell everything (e.g. it does not help now)

I really think that I should have the right to leave a game when I detect a MH. A single game takes 1 hour of time. I can not go afk (again banned). The guy spams the whole game by whisper and !checkban.

You should first watch the replay. If I am wrong you can deny my unban request. But in this case the game replay is broken. And it is definitely not my fault. How can I know such problems happen? You should have at least unbanned my account.  You unban many accounts when they simply apologize, lie or find senseless reasons. I am really right to get angry about moderators in this situation.

BTW I think best thing is playing with the people you know or making an own-ban-list. In this case I really do not need to play in playdota.eu. Your system has problems and many cheaters benefit from that.

Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on February 03, 2011, 13:20


I really think that I should have the right to leave a game when I detect a MH

Hm that is so wrong.

What if u were wrong? What if noone has MH ? Game ruined coz of you.

What if someone is losing game and he rages on opponent w/o mh and spams ,,MH MH,, and he leaves game and no ban?

Ur joke.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: neverlate on February 03, 2011, 13:34


I really think that I should have the right to leave a game when I detect a MH

Hm that is so wrong.

What if u were wrong? What if noone has MH ? Game ruined coz of you.

What if someone is losing game and he rages on opponent w/o mh and spams ,,MH MH,, and he leaves game and no ban?

Ur joke.

If I am wrong they will not unban me. (and do not ban him)
If I am right they will unban me. (and ban him)

If no one knows who is right (because an error/bug in the system) they should at least let both of us unbannned.

I already agree that they ban me when I left.

If you want to discuss something please read what i say first.

Ur joke => Ok i am joke and you are great. You beat me. Enjoy. 
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on February 03, 2011, 13:36


I really think that I should have the right to leave a game when I detect a MH

Hm that is so wrong.

What if u were wrong? What if noone has MH ? Game ruined coz of you.

What if someone is losing game and he rages on opponent w/o mh and spams ,,MH MH,, and he leaves game and no ban?

Ur joke.

If I am wrong they will not unban me. (and do not ban him)
If I am right they will unban me. (and ban him)

If no one knows who is right (because an error/bug in the system) they should at least let both of us unbannned.

I already agree that they ban me when I left.

If you want to discuss something please read what i say first.

Ur joke => Ok i am joke and you are great. You beat me. Enjoy.

I dont want to discuss about that i just wanted to say that ur idea about leaving game when u THINK some1 has mh is bad.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: Rocka on February 03, 2011, 16:16
listen man, if you think that one of the players use maphack, you wait till the game ends and report him,he gets perma ban in 2 days for maphack
http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/board,32.160.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/board,32.160.html)
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: neverlate on February 03, 2011, 17:13
Here is what got from one of the mods:

Quote
1.no replay no proof.

2.since there is no replay write unban request and u will be unbanned.

He says I will get unbanned. But my unban request was continiously denied. Even the mods are not sure about the rules. Some of them unbans people with stupid senseless reasons. But when I have a logical reason they refuse me.

Thats why I say this rules are perfect for cheaters, leavers, spammers....

Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: ek0 on February 03, 2011, 17:15
Unfortunately for this game the replay download link is broken and nobody is able to get the replay from the stats page. Without the replay, you can not prove that the player has used maphack. Nor have you provided any ecidence about the private whispers you had with him. The only thing that we know for sure is that you are saying that somebody is using maphack. Do you know how many whispers I get like "whoops mh"? Should I ban the user? Just your word does prove anything.
You were banned for leaving a game. Although the replay of the game is missing, the chat log is fully accessible by every user and it is clear that you left the game. Thinking something is not a reason to leave. Tomorrow I may think that my oponent is flaming on ally chat (I can't see this). Thinking this, I know I'm playing with a rule breaker and I shall leave?

About the stats page bug: Yes it exists and happens quite rarely. For the next bot release there should be no problems with this.

listen man, if you think that one of the players use maphack, you wait till the game ends and report him,he gets perma ban in 2 days for maphack
http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/board,32.160.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/board,32.160.html)
You start to annoy me. Do you think that screwd counts or keeps track of the number of days needed for the Hacks team to solve all the requests?

He says I will get unbanned. But my unban request was continiously denied. Even the mods are not sure about the rules. Some of them unbans people with stupid senseless reasons. But when I have a logical reason they refuse me.
I'm guessing that the moderator was thinking of an other possible bug when there won't be chat log, nor replay link. If the case was like this, you would have been unbanned.
I doubt that any of the moderators will unban you with the evidance provided for your ban.
Also, your reason of leaving is not in any way logical.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: Rocka on February 03, 2011, 17:37
Did you hear me say that? We get corrected if we spread lies aswell. 2 and 12 is a big difference
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: neverlate on February 03, 2011, 17:58
The problem is I do not only think; host himself whispered me there is MH.

Normally what should happen? I will post MH report and get unbanned.

Quite simple. I do not need to wait him kill us 100 times in the forest, spam and flame the whole game.

Why does not this happen? Because of an error/bug in playdota.eu

Results:
1. One map hacker gets away.
2. I get banned.

It is the same result as my MH report is a total fake. Same result as what I am saying is totally lie.
However there is no proof that I am lying. So in this case I am fined because of an error/bug in your server.

If you were fair you should have unbanned me immediately. The results of your technical problems affects me directly. And a map hacker benefits from the same technical problems. This is totally unfair.

After this shit, I can really open 1000 accounts, host 100 games everyday, cheat, spam, flame, ban people freely and enjoy others problems. But thanks to God, I have a life.

BTW I had the saved game (please ban me for save abuse) I have posted that replay to one of the moderator guys. Still no response. Best possibilty is they give a permanent ban to that user. And think what will happen. He will simply switch to his 1123213. account. Thats all. Again I am the loser.

Your technical problems, your rules, your moderators, all of them work for cheaters. (like it or dont like it) But it is true. 
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: ek0 on February 03, 2011, 18:24
The problem is I do not only think; host himself whispered me there is MH.
So I can whisper everyone in the game that I use maphack, they should immediately leave (led by your logic) and when it's clear that I haven't used maphack, they should be banned for leaving, just because I whispered them?

Normally what should happen? I will post MH report and get unbanned.
Normally, if the replay could be downloaded, and if you could prove that the user is using maphack, he would be banned. But you would never get unbanned, because you left a game without a reason.

Quite simple. I do not need to wait him kill us 100 times in the forest, spam and flame the whole game.
Ofcourse, you can leave the game at any time. But most likely (like now) you will be banned for it.

If you were fair you should have unbanned me immediately. The results of your technical problems affects me directly. And a map hacker benefits from the same technical problems. This is totally unfair.
I have already said that there is no reason for me to unban you. You broke a rule and got the corresponding punishment for it.
If the player really used maphack, then yes he is free, because of playdota.eu's technical problems.

Your technical problems, your rules, your moderators, all of them work for cheaters. (like it or dont like it) But it is true.
This is your opinion.
The moderators are doing what they can to make your games entertaining, without leavers, flamers, spammers. If it was thought that this is useless, there wouldn't be a Ban & Unban team.
The rules have been made to be observed. They have been written a long time ago and are kind of outdated. But in your case, I can not find a problem in the rules.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: neverlate on February 03, 2011, 18:49
Normally what should happen? I will post MH report and get unbanned.
Normally, if the replay could be downloaded, and if you could prove that the user is using maphack, he would be banned. But you would never get unbanned, because you left a game without a reason.

For instance, this is totally unfair. If I prove that he has a MH then I should be unbanned.  Your senseless rule again works for cheaters. People use cheat obviously. He also says that during the game. Makes fun of everyone. And ruins 9 peoples game. Wastes 1 hour from 9 peoples life. And we should stay in the game being a part of his self satisfaction. When he gets ban he simply switch to his "next" account and does the same again and again. Perfect conditions for a cheater

Sorry dude, I wont ever accept this. If you find this fair you also have same mental problems as the cheaters.

Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: Domagoj on February 03, 2011, 19:00
Dude, i know that it probably didnt come to your mind at that time, or that you played a game afterwards, but warcraft automatically saves every last game played. So you could have gone to your w3 dir/replays and rename or copy LastReplay to save it, and then present it as proof here...
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: neverlate on February 03, 2011, 19:06
Dude, i know that it probably didnt come to your mind at that time, or that you played a game afterwards, but warcraft automatically saves every last game played. So you could have gone to your w3 dir/replays and rename or copy LastReplay to save it, and then present it as proof here...

You are right. In the beginning I did not know that it is possible. But this does not change the fact that these rules simply suck.

Think that people flame you all game, spammed all game, did racism all game, cheated all game... And you should complete that game till the end. Otherwise you get ban and there is no unban possibility.TOTALLY STUPID
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: totally_screwd on February 03, 2011, 19:07
Dude our rules,our moderators our whole system here were brought/made to have better games.

You know pd.eu is the most popular part of xpam(i mean the whole server),more than %50 of the dota games are created by us and rest for tr,ro or br private bots.You know why people choose to play with that bot?

I think we have technical leaks but with every new suggestion/rule we keep covering those leaks. That bot(community) is the best creation till now imo,I have been playing dota since 7 years and I have never seen so less leavers/cheaters. We are giving our best here for you people,I cant believe you can easily blame us(mods) that we are working here everyday for cheaters.And the most sad part is you are only saying this cause you think proving that user used maphack should unban you. What about this one? A host muted you without a reason and flamed you, does this give u the reason to leave? flaming is also banable offence.

Technical error worked this time for that maphacker maybe but we wouldnt unban you like eko said, even whole your opponents used maphack and you left please get this. You made a common mistake,you are seeing the situation only from your perspective and think that leaving this game is pure normal(why would i play against mhers?) etc but think about other players,you ruin their time too. Our current rules are objective and good enough unlike your personal feelings.

Ps:If you dont like this bot and our rules, then dont play here. You seem to be obsessed against cheaters,and btw you have some serious issues I can easily see that through your words like 'cheater self satisfaction' etc.We are not here to push you to accept anything,we explained it kindly and pure objective,and yet you still show us that you are stucked with one mentality.This topic is a dead end,ppl are not here to discuss or understand anything they just want to complain as %90 of other topics.

And we find leaving a game just because you think someone has maphack is banable(even you prove after it) and we don't have mental problems as cheaters like you wrote,but you really are obsessed.I am %100 sure you will keep playing with pd.eu bots and you belong %90 of the dota users who directly yell at all chat ' OMG MAPHACK YOU WILL BE BANNED AFTER GAME YOU WILL SEE'



Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: yaphets_ on February 03, 2011, 19:12
Screwed have a point. Who don't like to play here just don't play and leave This bot:D
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: Rocka on February 03, 2011, 19:17
Sorry dude, I wont ever accept this. If you find this fair you also have same mental problems as the cheaters.
You have to accept it whether you like it or not. It's just dumb to leave because someone is saying something. Still finish the freaking game. Alse you will leave 1/5 games because of suspecting maphack
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: Domagoj on February 03, 2011, 19:18
Dude, i know that it probably didnt come to your mind at that time, or that you played a game afterwards, but warcraft automatically saves every last game played. So you could have gone to your w3 dir/replays and rename or copy LastReplay to save it, and then present it as proof here...

You are right. In the beginning I did not know that it is possible. But this does not change the fact that these rules simply suck.

Think that people flame you all game, spammed all game, did racism all game, cheated all game... And you should complete that game till the end. Otherwise you get ban and there is no unban possibility.TOTALLY STUPID

Flaming, spamming etc. is all very annoying, but what is more annoying are the leavers. So get over the flaming and all for half an hour, and then post the request and its over. I know that the fact that he probably cheated is also very irritating, but you have probably seen that there is at least one OMG HE IS A FUCKING MHER situation in almost every game, which is a false accusation in almost every case. Imagine now if it was allowed to leave on the basis of thinking that someone has MH.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: neverlate on February 03, 2011, 19:24
I posted this topic as a "feedback" as you can see the main title. Responses like "if you don't like go away" are showing your mentality. Always saying that "we are the best dota provider" has nothing to do with this topic.

If someone uses a MH the game is "already" ruined. It does not matter I leave or not. So I do not abuse anyone's personal rights. This is my personal idea. I think this can be discussed together with the moderators.

If this is already discussed and concluded, please inform other moderators as well because nearly half of the moderators think that I will be unbanned and the rest thinks the opposite.

Even though it is discussed and concluded, I can still tell my personal idea about how this rules benefit cheaters. If you do not agree please give ideas rather than blaming me repeatedly.

I really do not post all these for a simple unban (I deleted that account already, you can ban it forever) I just want people to understand the bad situation here. Please dont take everything personal and try to improve PD where you work for.



Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: neverlate on February 03, 2011, 19:32
People you force yourself in order to misunderstand me.

I do not say "a suspicious user can leave without any ban"

I say that "if it is proved that someone has a MH the leavers should be unbanned"

If you leave every game because of MH, you will be banned everytime and if your suspicion is incorrect you wont be unbanned. So you basically cant play anymore games. So it will be still risky to leave a game. But it will also be fair and not annoying.

And if really everyone is right with their suspicion there will be lots of incomplete games. But don't worry. Because people will not use MH because they can not enjoy cheating and get banned. So number of MHer will be significantly reduced.

Any comments?
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: totally_screwd on February 03, 2011, 19:53
People you force yourself in order to misunderstand me.

I do not say "a suspicious user can leave without any ban"

I say that "if it is proved that someone has a MH the leavers should be unbanned"

If you leave every game because of MH, you will be banned everytime and if your suspicion is incorrect you wont be unbanned. So you basically cant play anymore games. So it will be still risky to leave a game. But it will also be fair and not annoying.

And if really everyone is right with their suspicion there will be lots of incomplete games. But don't worry. Because people will not use MH because they can not enjoy cheating and get banned. So number of MHer will be significantly reduced.

Any comments?

If you made an unban request with the mh report link,which includes that the user is perma banned I would directly unban you because like you said 'we forgive people'.I' d give you another chance but now the rare error got you,it wont happen.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: nermiee on February 03, 2011, 19:53
OMG
Why the hell u left game ?
LOLZOR
Dude, u dont rly understand the things... LOL
Whatever, even if he mhed, that dont means that u can leave game lol...
U broke rule too.
Again, SHOULD HAVE STAYED IN GAME, now stop flaming forum PD.eu is best, i know, sometimes people get upset for morbid  things but lol, that doesnt means that u are the 1 guy who dont get "justice" or w/e u want...
Other people thinks that pd.eu is good thing, and u are ruining community, once ago before 4 months or smth like that, i got banned cuz i plugged out, but ok, lol, got banned, i broke rule, was my bad...
So.PLEASE STFU !
End this topic and delete it please, there's no such a thing that u can say to proof something to 12 y old kid like this guy....
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: Domagoj on February 03, 2011, 20:01
People you force yourself in order to misunderstand me.

I do not say "a suspicious user can leave without any ban"

I say that "if it is proved that someone has a MH the leavers should be unbanned"

If you leave every game because of MH, you will be banned everytime and if your suspicion is incorrect you wont be unbanned. So you basically cant play anymore games. So it will be still risky to leave a game. But it will also be fair and not annoying.

And if really everyone is right with their suspicion there will be lots of incomplete games. But don't worry. Because people will not use MH because they can not enjoy cheating and get banned. So number of MHer will be significantly reduced.

Any comments?

I would completely agree with you if this was some other situation. But you must be aware that this is dota, and it is largely played by a pretty immature audience to say the least (which is obvious if you just look at some of the comments in this thread), and i dont doubt a  little bit that at least 90% of those OMG MH players are completely sure that the other guy/team is cheating, unaware of the existence of beetles, wards, traps, owls etc. So introducing this rule could also mean a big increase in leaving due to OMG MH claims. And since the punishment for leaving is just a few days, and there are so many multi-accs here, it could make things worse.

EDIT: Oh, and this one of yours is an isolated case. As one of the mods above said, if the replay wasnt bugged, you would probably get an unban.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: totally_screwd on February 03, 2011, 20:26
People you force yourself in order to misunderstand me.

I do not say "a suspicious user can leave without any ban"

I say that "if it is proved that someone has a MH the leavers should be unbanned"

If you leave every game because of MH, you will be banned everytime and if your suspicion is incorrect you wont be unbanned. So you basically cant play anymore games. So it will be still risky to leave a game. But it will also be fair and not annoying.

And if really everyone is right with their suspicion there will be lots of incomplete games. But don't worry. Because people will not use MH because they can not enjoy cheating and get banned. So number of MHer will be significantly reduced.

Any comments?

I would completely agree with you if this was some other situation. But you must be aware that this is dota, and it is largely played by a pretty immature audience to say the least (which is obvious if you just look at some of the comments in this thread), and i dont doubt a  little bit that at least 90% of those OMG MH players are completely sure that the other guy/team is cheating, unaware of the existence of beetles, wards, traps, owls etc. So introducing this rule could also mean a big increase in leaving due to OMG MH claims. And since the punishment for leaving is just a few days, and there are so many multi-accs here, it could make things worse.

EDIT: Oh, and this one of yours is an isolated case. As one of the mods above said, if the replay wasnt bugged, you would probably get an unban.

we won't allow players leave the games when they think someone is using maphack,it would make everythin worse like domagoj said.

But like I wrote above,if you showed me the maphack report link with the answer 'xxx banned permanenlty for maphack' i would forgive you for once,believe me %90 of mods would unban
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: neverlate on February 03, 2011, 20:51
I think that is enough discussion here. (Kids already started to make noise)

I understood what you said. I defend what I said before. But it is my personal idea. Moderators are free to do anything. But I don't like the word "forgive". I am not begging any forgiveness. If something is to be done, it should be done with the rules. If there is something wrong with the rules, it should be fixed. Otherwise playdota has no difference than any other bot. Thanks for the answers.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: nermiee on February 03, 2011, 22:00
I think that is enough discussion here. (Kids already started to make noise)

I understood what you said. I defend what I said before. But it is my personal idea. Moderators are free to do anything. But I don't like the word "forgive". I am not begging any forgiveness. If something is to be done, it should be done with the rules. If there is something wrong with the rules, it should be fixed. Otherwise playdota has no difference than any other bot. Thanks for the answers.

Oh my dear god... bout rules things, u broke rule, he broke rule ih he mhed... gg no re
Deffending ur kid mentality by telling other are kids... are.... ......... no words. but gg no re, cya in hell.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: sw33t_girl on February 04, 2011, 11:47
How can you be so sure that the person uses MH if you don't have MH too? What if they have wards in unusual locations and you leave for MH? How can you see their wards Mr. Fair Player?
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: nermiee on February 04, 2011, 11:48
How can you be so sure that the person uses MH if you don't have MH too? What if they have wards in unusual locations and you leave for MH? How can you see their wards Mr. Fair Player?

Damn :D
1st. smart post here :D
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on February 04, 2011, 12:06
How can you be so sure that the person uses MH if you don't have MH too? What if they have wards in unusual locations and you leave for MH? How can you see their wards Mr. Fair Player?

+1 for this .

Close this topic it is useless atm.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: dRagoLjuB on February 04, 2011, 18:35
it isnt useless , mby a clever clever-guy give us a mega clever post and we learn from him :))
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: Rocka on February 04, 2011, 20:37
post where I replied at got deleted
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: neverlate on February 04, 2011, 23:13
How can you be so sure that the person uses MH if you don't have MH too? What if they have wards in unusual locations and you leave for MH? How can you see their wards Mr. Fair Player?

1. We asked if they have wards and they could not answer.
2. The guy whispered that he has MH.

It was more than enough for me. 1000 times I said, you still can not understand:

I do not mean every OMG MH should leave the game. But if someone leaves and MH is proved he should be unbanned.

This topic should be closed. It is too much for ultra-mega clever kids.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: nermiee on February 04, 2011, 23:15
Nah, dont close it, we love to see ur flaming :D blaming etc :D :$
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: sylva on February 04, 2011, 23:20
Nah, dont close it, we love to see ur flaming :D blaming etc :D :$

Sorry for that.He should have written (age +12) in the title.

By the way it is time to sleep. Your mamma will flame blame etc.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: neverlate on February 04, 2011, 23:22
Please close this topic or delete any unnecessary posts. I have written my MH report to one of the guys however he did not answer yet.
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: nermiee on February 04, 2011, 23:59
Nah, dont close it, we love to see ur flaming :D blaming etc :D :$

Sorry for that.He should have written (age +12) in the title.

By the way it is time to sleep. Your mamma will flame blame etc.

Now u kids started insulting? U just prooved u r kids.... Nothing more....
And yes, u brainless moron, check wtf he wrote above in his posts, flaming, blaming  ETC!
So, get a life kids, go to school or smth like that. Please.
Stop telling stupid things bout pd.eu. If u dont like it, go away, no1 needs ur stupidity here...
Go on gangrena and play with brainless ppl... GG no re. now stfu
Title: Re: Game replay link does not work. Bug or ???
Post by: Geistesblitz on February 05, 2011, 02:17
Game over.

Locked.