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Complaint about unfairly given unban Caneee
« on: March 15, 2021, 03:25 »
1: Your ingame nickname?
turks
2) Moderator's nickname (as in subject).
Caneee
3) Why you are not happy with Moderator's decision / behavior.

1. b^e^m is dead for 70 seconds.
39:59       [All]    [cro-w3do]woodland killed b^e^m
40:05    b^e^m    [Allies]    ok me afk
40:06    b^e^m    [Allies]    !ff

40:06       [All]    [b^e^m] voted to forfeit [2/5 Sentinel]
42:06    b^e^m    [Allies]    next ı wont def

2. b^e^m goes to Scourge forest to farm after revival, Scourge team attacks middle tower and rax. 4 of us fight for game.
42:29       [All]    [cro-w3do]BLacKTheMe killed fearspp
42:37       [All]    [cro-w3do]-maLme- killed turks
42:44       [All]    [cro-w3do]Lily destroyed the mid level 3 Sentinel tower
42:55       [All]    [cro-w3do]The Scourge destroyed the mid Sentinel ranged rax

3. Team noticed what he is doing, the game is far away from finished, we absolutely had chance to keep the game going with fast votekick. At the moment of first votekick at 43 minute, Davion was visible to everyone, his appearance was visible to everyone in the game, position is left side on the map just bellow place where we pick heroes for AP mode and where creeps face each others when the game start, he does farm on creeps. Everyone see him farming, 2 from Scourge are dead and 3 are destroying our base, 3 from Sentinel are dead, 2 fighting to save the game. This is when votekick started, before they pushed middle line, instead of defending he farms far away.
42:56    SmoothieTheCat    [Allies]    ban that shit devion
43:02       [All]    [cro-w3do]Lily destroyed the mid Sentinel melee rax
43:09    turks    [Allies]    !votekick b^
43:09       [All]    [turks] voted to kick [b^e^m] [1/6]
43:15    turks    [All]    can we kick him for game ruin
43:15    SmoothieTheCat    [Allies]    !yes
43:15       [All]    [SmoothieTheCat] voted to kick [b^e^m] [2/7]
43:18    cro-w3do    [Allies]    !yes
43:18       [All]    [cro-w3do] voted to kick [b^e^m] [3/7]
43:25    turks    [All]    kick please

4. Player from our team blacktheme don't care for the game and he wants to collect kills with his ulti and he refused to vote.
43:26    BLacKTheMe    [Allies]    dnt make rigt items u lose kd and game
43:30    SmoothieTheCat    [All]    vote he is in ur forest
43:31    b^e^m    [All]    thıs tıme barat wıll def
43:32    b^e^m    [All]    not me

43:38    Lily    [Allies]    !yes
43:38       [All]    [Lily] voted to kick [b^e^m] [4/7]
43:40    BLacKTheMe    [Allies]    all of u kids crying
43:43    BLacKTheMe    [Allies]    all want kills
43:45    -maLme-    [Allies]    !yes
43:45       [All]    [-maLme-] voted to kick [b^e^m] [5/7]
43:47    turks    [All]    he is not helping to defend base
43:51    turks    [All]    no kick = ban
44:08       [All]    A votekick against player [b^e^m] has expired.

5. Scourge players are aware they could easily lose the game versus mortred and bara, and they are ignoring to kick player. Scourge best player is calling to finish. They are not dominate as it looks, with items from Davion the things could go opposite way.
In the meanwhile rambo Davion is died up versus 2 Scourge player at Scourge tower.

44:14       [All]    [cro-w3do]woodland killed SmoothieTheCat
44:17    turks    [Allies]    !votekick b^e^
44:17       [All]    [turks] voted to kick [b^e^m] [1/6]
44:21       [All]    [cro-w3do]Lily killed b^e^m
44:25       [All]    [cro-w3do]turks killed -maLme-
44:27       [All]    [cro-w3do]woodland killed cro-w3do
45:06    cro-w3do    [Allies]    !yes
45:06       [All]    [cro-w3do] voted to kick [b^e^m] [2/7]
45:10    SmoothieTheCat    [Allies]    !yes
45:10       [All]    [SmoothieTheCat] voted to kick [b^e^m] [3/7]
45:16       [All]    A votekick against player [b^e^m] has expired.
45:21    woodland    [Allies]    bıtırmek lazım / we should finish

6. After his revival, Davion had Sange & Yasha, Demon Edge, Lothar Edge, Power Treads and Quelling Blade. woodland is the best player in Scourge and he is using situation where Sentinel fight to keep the game going and with Davion who is going to sell all of his items.
45:21    turks    [Allies]    !votekick b^e
45:21       [All]    [turks] voted to kick [b^e^m] [1/6]
45:22    woodland    [Allies]    beyler 
45:23    b^e^m    [Allies]    -c
45:25    woodland    [Allies]    bırazdaha uzarsa gg gentlemen if this go longer gg, we lost

7. Davion got Javelin and after failed attempts to kick him from the game he sold all of his items to ensure the final game result at 46 minute. He sold all items, bought Healing Salves, put on the ground and have destroyed. blacktheme from our team who refused to kick until Davion sold his items always kept distance from teammates and focused only to get better stats with ulti.
45:28    turks    [All]    guys go kick
45:39    turks    [All]    refusing to kick is game ruining
45:46    -maLme-    [Allies]    !yes
45:46       [All]    [-maLme-] voted to kick [b^e^m] [2/7]
45:49    Lily    [All]    if u 4 vote then we can vote
46:00    SmoothieTheCat    [All]    we voted all
46:01    SmoothieTheCat    [All]    u dont
46:03    cro-w3do    [All]    yes
46:04    woodland    [Allies]    anc olmasa ıdı hıc olmezdım
46:05    turks    [All]    we all voted
46:07    b^e^m    [All]    ı wıll def when barat does
46:09    Lily    [All]    2 votes
46:13    cro-w3do    [All]    man go kick
46:13    SmoothieTheCat    [Allies]    !yes
46:13       [All]    [SmoothieTheCat] voted to kick [b^e^m] [3/7]
46:17    turks    [All]    !yes
46:17    cro-w3do    [All]    !yes
46:17       [All]    [cro-w3do] voted to kick [b^e^m] [4/7]
46:20    Lily    [Allies]    !yes
46:20       [All]    [Lily] voted to kick [b^e^m] [5/7]
46:21       [All]    A votekick against player [b^e^m] has expired.
46:27    SmoothieTheCat    [Allies]    -afk
46:30    cro-w3do    [All]    go kick he anti team
46:38    turks    [Allies]    !votekick b^
46:38       [All]    [turks] voted to kick [b^e^m] [1/6]
46:40    SmoothieTheCat    [Allies]    !yes
46:40       [All]    [SmoothieTheCat] voted to kick [b^e^m] [2/7]
46:42    cro-w3do    [Allies]    !yes
46:42       [All]    [cro-w3do] voted to kick [b^e^m] [3/7]
46:42    Lily    [Allies]    !yes
46:42       [All]    [Lily] voted to kick [b^e^m] [4/7]
46:47    fearspp    [Allies]    !yes
46:47       [All]    [fearspp] voted to kick [b^e^m] [5/7]
46:54    BLacKTheMe    [Allies]    !yes
46:54       [All]    [BLacKTheMe] voted to kick [b^e^m] [6/7]
46:56    turks    [All]    1 more
47:00    woodland    [Allies]    !yes
47:00       [All]    A votekick against player [b^e^m] has passed.
47:00       [All]    b^e^m was kicked by vote.
47:00       [All]    Autoban is ON, if you leave you will get autobanned.
47:19    SmoothieTheCat    [All]    go end he destroyed his items
47:42       [All]    [BLacKTheMe]cro-w3do killed fearspp
47:45       [All]    [BLacKTheMe]turks killed -maLme-
47:55       [All]    [BLacKTheMe]acc-Bou08 killed cro-w3do
47:58       [All]    [BLacKTheMe]BLacKTheMe killed acc-Bou08
48:01       [All]    [BLacKTheMe]woodland killed SmoothieTheCat
48:06       [All]    [BLacKTheMe]Lily killed turks
4) Forum link / Game link.
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,199331.0.html Unban
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,199320.0.html Ban
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6369979

Is this normal? When we started votekick against Davion everyone in the game could see him farming creeps until he died like Rambo at their tower. In the meanwhile everyone in our team was fighting to save the base and Davion clearly stated he is not gonna play anymore, later he said in public he is not gonna play, this is not only Sell Own Items, this is also refusing to play.
Scourge players did their best to ignore votekick so they can win the game, including fearspp who is accidentally banned 5th time for 8 days.
40:05    b^e^m    [Allies]    ok me afk
40:06    b^e^m    [Allies]    !ff

40:06       [All]    [b^e^m] voted to forfeit [2/5 Sentinel]
42:06    b^e^m    [Allies]    next ı wont def
43:09       [All]    [turks] voted to kick [b^e^m] [1/6]
43:15    turks    [All]    can we kick him for game ruin
43:15    SmoothieTheCat    [Allies]    !yes
43:15       [All]    [SmoothieTheCat] voted to kick [b^e^m] [2/7]
43:18    cro-w3do    [Allies]    !yes
43:18       [All]    [cro-w3do] voted to kick [b^e^m] [3/7]
43:31    b^e^m    [All]    thıs tıme barat wıll def
43:32    b^e^m    [All]    not me


fearspp is not a virgin and he absolutely deserved this ban, in this case 8 days. Why does it matters if 4/4 or 3/4 or 2/4 voted from the team if player is obviously and visible to everyone game ruining? If 1 from team is refusing to votekick he is in crime along with people from opponent team who remained quiet, or in this case woodland the leader encouraged to not go with kick, both understand each other Woodland and fearspp
45:21    woodland    [Allies]    bıtırmek lazım / we should finish
45:22    woodland    [Allies]    beyler
45:25    woodland    [Allies]    bırazdaha uzarsa gg gentlemen if this go longer gg, we lost

Player was warned by [Caneee] on [14-03-2021 15:21:05] with reason [Votekick Abuse] in game [AP +1].
Player was warned by [Sejtura] on [30-11-2020 17:57:04] with reason [!warn - votekick abuse!] in game [SD ++++ Fast Game #1].
Player was warned by [4K] on [26-10-2020 21:37:06] with reason [Refusing to Votekick] in game [RD EU 1550 + + + #3].
Player was warned by [tehnika8x8] on [04-06-2020 02:01:38] with reason [Game Ruining/Refusing to Votekick] in game [SD +].
Player was warned by [Renovatio] on [24-04-2019 18:24:58] with reason [Votekick abuse] in game [AP EU +1 FAST GO GO GO].

7. Player must not ruin the game by:
      f) Refusing to Votekick a player who is ruining the game (intentional mass feeding/sabotaging team mates or the game, see also point 8 for valid votekick scenarios) may lead to a ban.
8. Player must not abuse bot commands:
      a) Votekick Abuse
          - The !votekick command should only be used against players who are ruining the game intentionally by feeding on purpose, exposing or destroying items, abusing bugs/cheating, obstructing allies etc.

b^e^m
7. Player must not ruin the game by:
      c) Mass-selling, hiding, destroying own items.
      e) Refusing to play
          - Avoiding team fights, pushes, defending and similar in order to make own team lose on purpose will be considered as refusing to play.


Ban before this one from Sejtura
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198379.msg704996.html#msg704996
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.MeRLiN.     OVCAR_KAABLAR    -MeRLiN-        s2p60    -THeLeGenD-        hariboo    [Ask]CeLLaT    fearspp  - Warn 1 point - Votekick abuse !

@fearspp Last warning for you !

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=player;sid=1;nick=fearspp

It wont be tolerated next time !!!!
32:35       [All]    [[Ask]CeLLaT] voted to kick [ArthasTerenas] [7/8]
32:45    fearspp    [All]    he is good why kick
32:46    fearspp    [All]    ?
32:52    ArthasTerenas    [All]    i will report
32:53    .MeRLiN.    [All]    he is good mu
32:53    s2p60    [Allies]    !yes
32:54    .MeRLiN.    [All]    :D
32:55    fearspp    [Allies]    !yes
32:55       [All]    A votekick against player [ArthasTerenas] has passed.
32:55       [All]    ArthasTerenas was kicked by vote.
32:55       [All]    Autoban is ON, if you leave you will get autobanned.
32:57    fearspp    [All]    :D


Was this accidentally? In previous ban he voted to kick player with the most PSR in team for fun.
Is he stupid as he presented his case in unban? He knew exactly what he is doing, delayed votekick until they got advantage to win the game and after game was over he and his friend voted.

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Re: Complaint about unfairly given unban Caneee
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2021, 21:20 »
Re-checking replay.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2021, 22:48 by cen »

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Re: Complaint about unfairly given unban Caneee
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2021, 20:07 »
After watching the replay,

I still think scourge they see no reason to votekick, like fearspp

Three or fifth minutes  not enough to make sure. if player ruins or not, to avoid any Sanctions like "Refusing to votekick" and VoteKick Abuse"


(first vote not ignored as i see they see DK is runs great ,
second vote the last !yes typed after expire(Still DK playing normal they see everything runs great for till that time),

third vote waiting for sentinel to vote). you keep provoking the player and vote to kick him and when he almost felt that he will be kicked from the game, he teleported and sold his items, the players who got warned for refusing to kick, warns has got removed.

( @turecky care for next time won't be tolerated , there no reason for votekick, Please read the rules )

Which rule DK broken?
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Votekick Abuse
          - The !votekick command should only be used against players who are ruining the game intentionally by feeding on purpose, exposing or destroying items, abusing bugs/cheating, obstructing allies etc.
 
But you made all confused admins for invalid Ban & Complain request Even @Caneee is confused by your request, On hope don't repeat with players.

But it was also close to end game and sentinel had no chance anymore

!closed.




« Last Edit: March 19, 2021, 22:04 by 4K »
goodbye.