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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #90 on: December 16, 2020, 10:57 »
u make same in titanquest too?
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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #91 on: December 16, 2020, 16:19 »
Dota7 lobbying group is challenging @mordor911 to bo3 dota knockout. We will play the 6.9 map - at your convenience. Please assemble your team, judging from the players you have tagged previously, picking just 4 teammates will be hard, the potential over there is off the charts.

If you win even 1 game, we'll join you and become 6.9 supporters, you'll get rid of our notorious dota7 lobbying group.

Since you're so convinced all the bad players moved to 7+, and only the good ones remained playing 6.9, it shouldn't be too much of a challenge for you boys, right?

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #92 on: December 17, 2020, 01:08 »
Week2 Day5

Dota6.9/games players
20/30
21/30
19/30
21/30
18/30
20+21+19+21+18 = 99/150
Dota6.9 = 99 games played

Dota7.0/games players
10/30
09/30
11/30
09/30
12/30
10+09+11+09+12 = 51/150
Dota7 = 51 games played










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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #93 on: December 17, 2020, 01:58 »
quote of the day @mordor911

“People who make up their minds about something never listen to advice - especially when it's to the contrary.”

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #94 on: December 17, 2020, 20:34 »
@territory23 you've been awfully quiet, what's your opinion on this subject?

Also, what's the status update on your balance formula? Can you do some analysis on ingame balance of v7 players vs v6?

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #95 on: December 18, 2020, 06:18 »

Week2: Total games = 531+277 = 808
Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6 = 99 +109+ 59 + 79 + 99 + 86 = 531 map6.9 games finished
Dota7.0 = Day1+Day2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6 = 45 + 71 + 31 + 41 + 51 + 38 = 277 map7.0 games finished


Week2 Day6

Dota6.9/games players
21/28
15/23
15/26
19/26
16/21
21+15+15+19+16 = 86/124
Dota6.9 = 86  games played ~ 69,36%


Dota7.0/games players
07/28
08/23
11/26
07/26
05/21
07+08+11+07+05 = 38/124
Dota7 = 38 games played ~ 30,64%












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@cen   yesterday Dota6.9 got almost 70% of games. It is more than obvious to see this number is increasing every day for Dota6.9 and Dota7 aka Dota2 game popularity drops. Make Dota6.9 map default again with !pub command, see my proofs/daily statistics.
Gaming experience has been ruined to 70% players 2 weeks ago with switching command and here are few ideas how to fix current situation and to improve gaming experience to 70% players:

- Just switch map again, Dota6.9 as default map with !pub command and Dota7 with !pubSomething

- Separate 2 leagues with 2 ladders for new season, with separated commands and with separated custom games
/w lagabuse !pub name - for Dota6.9
/w la-dota !pub name - for Dota7
or vice versa, /w lagabuse was used in past for original Dota and should be given to Dota6.9
/w customgame !pub name - for custom games

- If separating like this is not possible, give back !pub to 6.9 and make 2 ladders for 2 games. Make exception in database to split 2 maps into 2 public ladders.

- If all above is not possible make !pub to be informative and give to both maps !pubSomething
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    /w la-dota !pub name
    You whisper to la-dota: !pub name
    la-dota whispers: To host Dota6.9 map use /w la-dota !pubc name | To host Dota7.0 map use /w la-dota !pubn name


To repeat again, favoritism of Dota7 without reason is damaging Dota6.9 in the long run, and Dota6.9 is much more popular with 70% of player base and need to be primary and default map, if not default, then give equality, no advantage should be given to Dota7.


Week2 Day1:

Dota6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 5 pages 144 games:
21/30
23/30
20/30
20/30
15/24
21+23+20+20+15 = 99/144 games played
Dota6.9 = 99 games played

09/30
07/30
10/30
10/30
09/24
Dota7/games played 09+07+10+10+09 = 45/144 Dota7 games played
Dota7 = 45 games played

Spoiler for Hiden:










Week2 Day2:

Dota6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 6 pages are 180 games:
21/30
18/30
18/30
17/30
17/30
18/30
21+18+18+17+17+18 = 109/180 Dota6.9/games
Dota6.9 = 109 games played

Dota7.0/games players
09/30
12/30
12/30
13/30
13/30
12/30
09+12+12+13+13+12 = 71/180 Dota7 games
Dota7    = 71 games played

Spoiler for Hiden:













Week2 Day3

Dota6.9/games players
18/30
23/30
18/30
18+23+18 = 59/90
Dota6.9 = 59 games played

Dota7.0/games players
12/30
07/30
12/30
12+07+12 = 31/90
Dota7.0 = 31 games played

Spoiler for Hiden:








Week2 Day4

Dota6.9/games players
18/30
20/30
19/30
22/30
18+20+19+22 = 79/120
Dota6.9 = 79 games played

Dota7.0/games players
12/30
10/30
11/30
08/30
12+10+11+08 = 41/120
Dota7 = 41 games played

Spoiler for Hiden:








Week2 Day5

Dota6.9/games players
20/30
21/30
19/30
21/30
18/30
20+21+19+21+18 = 99/150
Dota6.9 = 99 games played

Dota7.0/games players
10/30
09/30
11/30
09/30
12/30
10+09+11+09+12 = 51/150
Dota7 = 51 games played

Spoiler for Hiden:










Week2 Day6

Dota6.9/games players
21/28
15/23
15/26
19/26
16/21
21+15+15+19+16 = 86/124
Dota6.9 = 86  games played ~ 69,36%

Dota7.0/games players
07/28
08/23
11/26
07/26
05/21
07+08+11+07+05 = 38/124
Dota7 = 38 games played ~ 30,64%

Spoiler for Hiden:











Week2 Day7

Dota6.9/games players
13/26
12/26
17/28
12/22
14/24
17/27
16/26
13+12+17+12+14+17+16 = 101/179
Dota6.9 = 101 games played

Dota7/games players
13/26
14/26
11/28
10/22
10/24
10/27
10/26
13+14+11+10+10+10+10 = 78/179
Dota7 = 78 games played

Spoiler for Hiden:














Week2 to1000:
Dota6.9/games players
06/13
Dota6.9 = 6 games played

Dota7/games players
07/13
Dota7 = 7 games played
Spoiler for Hiden:


- Day1:
Dota6.9  =  99   games
Dota7     =  45   games

- Day2:
Dota6.9  =  109 games
Dota7     =  71   games

- Day3:
Dota6.9  =  59   games
Dota7     =  31   games

- Day4:
Dota6.9  =  79   games
Dota7     =  41   games

- Day5:
Dota6.9  =  99   games
Dota7     =  51   games

- Day6:
Dota6.9  =  86   games
Dota7     =  38   games

- Day7:
Dota6.9  = 101 games
Dota7     =  78 games

- Day-To1000:
Dota6.9  = 6 games
Dota7     = 7 games


Previous results Week 1
Spoiler for Hiden:
For confused fellas who ask what is Dota7:


ALL GAMES CALCULATED IN THE LAST 7 DAYS SINCE DEFAULT MAP CHANGE
AND AFTER ADVANTAGE  HAS BEEN GIVEN TO MINORITY MAP Dota7
to1000 are taken games from day8 for total of 1000games played statistic.

- Day1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 95 - 11 = 84 games
Dota7 - draw = 55 - 6 = 49 games

- Day2 part1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 67 - 9 = 58 games
Dota7 - draw = 53 - 13 = 40 games
- Day2 part2:
Dota6.9 - draw = 42 - 2 = 40 games
Dota7 - draw = 35 - 3 = 32 games

- Day3:
Dota6.9 - draw = 79 - 3 = 76  games
Dota7 - draw = 61 - 8 = 53 games

- Day4:
Dota6.9 - draw = 88 - 5 = 83 games
Dota7 - draw = 64 - 16 = 48 games

- Day5:
Dota6.9 - draw = 90 - 8 = 82 games
Dota7 - draw = 56 - 9 = 45 games

- Day6:
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 7 =  84 games
Dota7 - draw = 62 - 9 = 53 games

- Day7:
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 5 = 86 games
Dota7 - draw = 59 - 6 = 53 games

- to1000:
Dota6.9 - draw = 22 - 2 = 20 games
Dota7 - draw = 18 - 4 = 14 games

Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 = 84+58+40+76+83+82+84+86+20= 613 map6.9 games finished

Dota7 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 =
49+40+32+53+48+45+53+53+14= 387 map7.0 games finished


Total games played in last 7 days since default map change with 2 pages to get thousand games played = 613+387= 1000
For sure 5%-15% games are result of default dota7 map autopick on !pub command. 61% games at this moment are dota6.9 while real balance is for sure over 65% for dota6.9. Main question is without this help from !pub command does dota7 have over 30% of total games at all?
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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #96 on: December 18, 2020, 12:10 »
what is this shit again

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #97 on: December 18, 2020, 13:20 »
dota8 is coming mister mordor

prepare your graphs !
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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #98 on: December 18, 2020, 15:28 »
Use fucking spoilers ffs.

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #99 on: December 18, 2020, 22:49 »
@territory23 you've been awfully quiet, what's your opinion on this subject?

Also, what's the status update on your balance formula? Can you do some analysis on ingame balance of v7 players vs v6?

v7 is more unfair because only good players can level up and if you have  bad line you can see lvl 6 players in 15 minutes. In old map, better players only got more gold but in v7 they have more gold + level (i mean, like lvl 15 vs lvl 7).

My old formula about balance consist of KDA stats and points for each score, instead of PSR. The formula is the same, regardless of map. For example +2 points for Kills, -1 for deaths and +1 for assists. There we have the player score.

I came across a stiuation that I got 1380 PSR with 4-6-9 stats and someone got 1600 PSR with same stats. We affect PSR very differently but got same stats. Same goes for new account pro players. They have 1550 PSR but KDA is around 12-4-10.

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #100 on: December 18, 2020, 22:56 »
v7 is more unfair because only good players can level up and if you have  bad line you can see lvl 6 players in 15 minutes. In old map, better players only got more gold but in v7 they have more gold + level (i mean, like lvl 15 vs lvl 7).

My old formula about balance consist of KDA stats and points for each score, instead of PSR. The formula is the same, regardless of map. For example +2 points for Kills, -1 for deaths and +1 for assists. There we have the player score.

I came across a stiuation that I got 1380 PSR with 4-6-9 stats and someone got 1600 PSR with same stats. We affect PSR very differently but got same stats. Same goes for new account pro players. They have 1550 PSR but KDA is around 12-4-10.

Very intriguing and good points, thanks

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #101 on: December 19, 2020, 00:26 »
I'm so excited to see a true veteran join this thread to share some of his most recent discoveries about the balance system

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #102 on: December 19, 2020, 00:39 »
Not recent. I got a topic long ago. Nothing has changed...

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #103 on: December 19, 2020, 00:44 »
Not recent. I got a topic long ago. Nothing has changed...

idk what you want change

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #104 on: December 19, 2020, 00:51 »
I do not want not change the topic here, It was all discussed in my topic.

My last reply was for Marvin's sarcastic comments.