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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2020, 07:04 »
Only 3 respectable players in that long list of survivors

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2020, 11:43 »
I support both sides, 6.90 won't get any updates anymore the map creator said that.


lets say 50/50 likes old/newest maps
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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2020, 15:22 »
All they did was changing command name and you make drama like old map was removed forever

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2020, 16:50 »
Week #2

- Day1:

Dota6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 5 pages 144 games:
21/30
23/30
20/30
20/30
15/24


21+23+20+20+15 = 99/144 Dota6.9 games and 45/144 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 = 99 games
Dota7    = 45 games


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No comment! Nothing to add... Not even a 1/3 for Dota7  .i.
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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2020, 17:34 »
mom more graph please !
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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2020, 17:44 »
question of the day @mordor911

What is your opinion on echo chambers?

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2020, 18:00 »
Come on guys, it is time to support something we like! 70% games and players are Dota6.9 players. Your voice matters!
@TooShade  @Arthas  @phaq  @Rob_Real  @Addict3d2net  @Viperchoko  @Noci  @JODA  @North_Legionare  @zvonko  @ebyy  @Sejanus  @epic90   @Corristo  @alien1  @Never_give_Up  @m3thead  @fearspp  @fabricamp3  @Simke  @milosmiladinovic  @^Less_Apaches^ @cicibucna  @M-PackeT T @rL-Valter  @kontra.danf @hypothalamus  @Dark_Tauren n @Ditya-Ra  @sandro_max  @phenomenalone  @[happy]man @daniel123  @ebacha  @ibraa10  @tzk  @HI][MAN @silvan  @manokerrr  @melih06  @blakchole  @dzuka1  @lor350  @Phantom_mkd  @hsakuragi @funnylol @Sejanus @fortepsai @Mara @fabricamp3 @begin @BestMurlocPlay @boyka15

Hear my call and lets get back !pub for Dota6.9 once again, or lets have separated league with 2 ladders and normal !pub option. I offer long time solution and administration can clone and separate ladder. If we can not have !pub command give us back /w lagabuse !pub used for custom games and make for custom games /w custom or /w customgames. All the players are equal and should have equal treatment and not only that, 70% dota players are Dota6.9 and Dota6.9 is main game. The Lobbying group lost once and they must once again or Dota6.9 map won't be in near future. Their idea is to remove competition of Dota6.9 map because our number of players is much greater. Dota2 already exist and this place is not Dota2.

Week #1

ALL GAMES CALCULATED IN THE LAST 7 DAYS SINCE DEFAULT MAP CHANGE
AND AFTER ADVANTAGE  HAS BEEN GIVEN TO MINORITY MAP Dota7
to1000 are taken games from day8 for total of 1000games played statistic.

- Day1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 95 - 11 = 84 games
Dota7 - draw = 55 - 6 = 49 games

- Day2 part1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 67 - 9 = 58 games
Dota7 - draw = 53 - 13 = 40 games
- Day2 part2:
Dota6.9 - draw = 42 - 2 = 40 games
Dota7 - draw = 35 - 3 = 32 games

- Day3:
Dota6.9 - draw = 79 - 3 = 76  games
Dota7 - draw = 61 - 8 = 53 games

- Day4:
Dota6.9 - draw = 88 - 5 = 83 games
Dota7 - draw = 64 - 16 = 48 games

- Day5:
Dota6.9 - draw = 90 - 8 = 82 games
Dota7 - draw = 56 - 9 = 45 games

- Day6:
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 7 =  84 games
Dota7 - draw = 62 - 9 = 53 games

- Day7:
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 5 = 86 games
Dota7 - draw = 59 - 6 = 53 games

- to1000:
Dota6.9 - draw = 22 - 2 = 20 games
Dota7 - draw = 18 - 4 = 14 games

Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 = 84+58+40+76+83+82+84+86+20= 613 map6.9 games finished

Dota7 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 =
49+40+32+53+48+45+53+53+14= 387 map7.0 games finished


Total games played in last 7 days since default map change with 2 pages to get thousand games played = 613+387= 1000
For sure 5%-15% games are result of default dota7 map autopick on !pub command. 61% games at this moment are dota6.9 while real balance is for sure over 65% for dota6.9. Main question is without this help from !pub command does dota7 have over 30% of total games at all?

Week #2

- Day1:

Dota6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 5 pages 144 games:
21/30
23/30
20/30
20/30
15/24


21+23+20+20+15 = 99/144 Dota6.9 games and 45/144 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 = 99 games
Dota7    = 45 games












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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2020, 18:11 »
Come on guys, it is time to support something we like! 70% games and players are Dota6.9 players. Your voice matters!
@TooShade  @Arthas  @phaq  @Rob_Real  @Addict3d2net  @Viperchoko  @Noci  @JODA  @North_Legionare  @zvonko  @ebyy  @Sejanus  @epic90   @Corristo  @alien1  @Never_give_Up  @m3thead  @fearspp  @fabricamp3  @Simke  @milosmiladinovic  @^Less_Apaches^ @cicibucna  @M-PackeT T @rL-Valter  @kontra.danf @hypothalamus  @Dark_Tauren n @Ditya-Ra  @sandro_max  @phenomenalone  @[happy]man @daniel123  @ebacha  @ibraa10  @tzk  @HI][MAN @silvan  @manokerrr  @melih06  @blakchole  @dzuka1  @lor350  @Phantom_mkd  @hsakuragi @funnylol @Sejanus @fortepsai @Mara @fabricamp3 @begin@BestMurlocPlay @boyka15

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2020, 18:25 »
@grga_man thoughts on the list of supporters

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #54 on: December 13, 2020, 19:16 »
Dude honestly I don't give a shit if I have to use !pub or !publ comand. If I can host/join 6.9 it doesn't really matter. I already told my opinion about v7, so I have nothing to add here... The moment they remove 6.9, I stop playing on LA. easy as that.
Anyway, all pros left to play dota 2 for money long ago, those who stayed here are playing for nostalgia (like me), or they have potato PC to play Dota 2. Happy and the other tits sucking kids can just fuck right off, I won't even bother reading their giberish here.

Peace, see you ingame.
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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2020, 19:58 »
Dude honestly I don't give a shit if I have to use !pub or !publ comand. If I can host/join 6.9 it doesn't really matter. I already told my opinion about v7, so I have nothing to add here... The moment they remove 6.9, I stop playing on LA. easy as that.
Anyway, all pros left to play dota 2 for money long ago, those who stayed here are playing for nostalgia (like me), or they have potato PC to play Dota 2. Happy and the other tits sucking kids can just fuck right off, I won't even bother reading their giberish here.

Peace, see you ingame.
Thank you for support. I have found your posts and you are right in every single sentence. Dota2 shit is not supposed to be on ladder at all. Those remaining "pros" and people with "credibility" should already be gone to play Dota2 for money since they are pros, but not they are just noobs and known for game ruining and insulting.

Ok, my first impression is, that this new map sucks hard. Give us an option to host 6.9 version, or just throw this rubbish into the bin. If I want to play Dota 2, I go and play Dota 2. No need to ''upgrade'' it into this. Thank you very much drakolich, for fucking up our classic dota 1 map. Sometimes LESS is MORE, and in this case, it's totally true. Lost all my interest in playing this trash just after one game. Super disappointed.
You'll have to give more information on why you think the new version is bad, saying the new map just "sucks" won't get you anywhere.
If you don't understand the new map and need to learn how the new stuff work then it's not because the map "sucks", it's because you need to adapt to the new fresh patch and stop doing the same things (picking same heroes, going same item build, same strategies etc.) which you were previously doing in the last patch.

It's not about learning new stuff. The map simply sucks because the new UI, the way it looks. The player ''interface''. Why couldn't he keep the classic interface of the game, and just implement the hero balances, new heroes and other upgrades. What bothers me the most, is the new interface which is annoyingly informative, the whole screen is filled with unnecessary information, while he moved BIG YELLOW GOLD counter bottom right for no reason. I feel like sitting behind a fighter jet, looking left and right while everything being more annoying than informative.

The map lost it's classic feeling, it's a cheap copy of dota 2. We don't want dota2 in warcraft3 ok? We want dota1, CLASSIC dota1!
love it!
"unneccessary information"
yeah, it's really annoying when you can see your enemies list, it's better play with eyes closed to not receive any excessive information, just use your ears
"gold label down the way"
hell yeah, keep playing your 13" desktop. it's such a pain in the ass to move eyes top-down all the time you try to buy a thing. Hope your eyeballs are fine there.

Drakolich, just roll back the interface as it was, but keep the hero and terrain changes. Like it or not, but you fucked up the interface hard. This is my opinion, and sorry if it hurts you. I know you probably won't give a shit, and just keep it this way, rather than acknowledge the players opinions and make some changes, but I HAVE to tell it anyway. Take it as a feedback, and make the changes accordingly. I will check back, when I get back my classic dota1. At this stage, the map is not enjoyable for me.
A few rational thoughts
- we should give the map a chance for some time and give constructive feedback if you want to change something for the better
- v7 is not even final yet, a temporary reversal back to v6 is not a problem
- like Icefrog dota was the-map back in the day, d1stats is the-map today. When Icefrog did something bad we just had to accept it and move on, now it is at least possible to contact the developer directly and give feedback, whether it is accepted or not.
- staying on v6, if decided by the community, is not a viable long term solution unless there would be some kind of an LTS program for that version. Even then, we would miss any good features coming after v7.


I think we should stay on v7 for a few weeks, collect feedback and then decide if we go back to v6 for a period of time, stay on v7 or what the next steps should be. If there is no consensus within community one side will have to give in since hosting both versions is not an option, it will diminish the available player pool and make lobbies longer.

Just a few thoughts about this.
1) Our problem is not to move on with the map. Over the last 10 years, we always had new heroes added, new skills, new items, and minor map changes. But they all came step by step, while always staying loyal to the main concepts. They were just furbishing the game. Obviously mistakes were made, unbalances were fixed later.
We adapted and learnt the new ways. This is NOT our problem.

2) Our PROBLEM is that this map wants to make DOTA2 from DOTA1, and it's unacceptable for me, and for others also.

3)I dont like and don't want DOTA2 MAP terrain in dota1. No need to copy paste it, new runes, outposts new roshan location. No need, and no like. I don't know who asked for it ever.

4) The new user interface is a catastrophe as it is. Everything is bigger, takes too much of the screen, icons are misslocated, minimap change also dislike.

5)If you want to add new heroes have my upvote! If you want heroes rebalances GOOD. New items? FINE. Keep the rest as it was, classic UI, classic terrain (minor changes are ok if really needed).

6) The game feels like APEM. Easy and fast farm. everybody is having expensive items after 20 minutes, this reduces the importance of gangs and farming skills for individual players.

7) Make a POLL, let's see how many players would like to play v6 or v7. Or make it possible for us, classic dota1 players, to play v6 again. If we can play both maps simultaneously.

8 ) Missing any good features from v7 in the future? Or just avoiding any more bad features perhaps? It's a matter of point of view. What if the majority of players doesn't like v7 and the way where Drakolich takes Dota1? We have to go that way because nobody else works on the map?

9) Lastly, for last time: Don't morph Dota1 into Dota2. We can go and play Dota2 already. We are here to play Dota1, and if you force us to swallow this, we (Me) will simply abandon LA as it is, as it's not enjoyable anymore in this form.

Thanks!
We complain all we want as long as we dislike the map.
Im a mapmaker myself of Lords of Europe so i do know a few things about mapmaking and balancing.unlike you.
But whenever I made changes to the map, i always asked the players oppinions about it and made changes accordingly.so it stays fun. I never pushed it down on somebodies throat just because i could.
My opinion stands. The UI sucks, and dota2 sucks as well. Any changes made toward that direction is killing dota1.
The terrain change is Dota2, new runes, outposts are also directly copies from dota2.The new gold counter location and altogether the whole new UI also wanted to be dota2 (but it became just ugly compared to dota2). The new heroes are from dota2. new roshan location guees what? yes, dota2.

Every aspect, every change it is going for dota2 :)
At this point we can just simply delete war3 and go play dota2 :D. What is the difference after all?

Not all of those changes are bad however, the terrain indeed needed a change, since sentinel had advantage farming neutrals.
Heroes and skills also needed rebalance.
I support these.

In my opinion, the reason why the changes are going toward dota2 is because poor players with poor PC's can't afford to play Dota2. So now they have the option to do so, with lower poly graphics.

That Mars hero looks like Drakolich went up to hiveworkshop.com, checked hero models, and imported the first unit he saw with a spear/javelin. No effort, time and energy was used in this modelling. Just check out how Dota 2 Mars looks like and simply compare them.

From my point of view, keep the hero and skills changes, delete new runes, delete outposts, revert roshan location.
Change the terrain on sentinel or scourge site (should I say Radiant and Dire now?), to make a balanced way toward neutrals. And that's it.

Right now I personally stoped playing on war3, and went to play Dota2, since it's almost the same, and more beautiful.

I advice the same for everyone who's PC can run Dota2. Don't waste your time on this map anymore. Dota1 died with v7.

Have fun all, and see you!
And I really don't understand why all of you who support the new map, don't go and play Dota2. Better graphics, more smoother gameplay, regular and professional updates. It's super similar to the new map. You can shine there all you want, and become a paid pro player?
In the last 10 years Dota1 classic was pretty much the same, and guess what? We fucking loved it! As we played it for 10 years, we will play for another 10 without any problems. You all talk about moving forward, well, Dota moved forward with Dota2 long ago. Its you the ones who stayed behind for no reason. And now you are making classic dota1 become dota2 for no reason.
So tell me, why don't you go play Dota2 and leave us (old school players) alone to have fun here?

I just noticed the poll was closed as well. That's how much this server cares about it's players opinions.
So as a conclusion we everybody who are PRO and CONTRA for the new map can agree that, the map is going toward being Dota 2, in a war3 skin right?
The main question is therefore, if we want to play classic dota1 or a cheap copy of dota2 map, put into action in Dota1 graphics?

If you are PRO for the new map, why don't just move and play Dota2?
If you are CON for the new map, why even argue about what is bad in the new map, since its 90% Dota2?

This whole conversation is pointless therefore.

All of you so called ''pros'' who are listing tons of pro changes, and making fun of the classic dota1 loving players here on the forum: why didn't you go play Dota2 already long ago? Why I don't see your nicks in professional Dota2 teams and tournaments? Maybe you aren't ''pros'' in the sense of the word itself, but you are feeling comfy just to tell the ''noobs'' here on the forum, while thinking yourself some kind of skillfuly and morally superior players.

No you aren't. If you would be pros, you would play DOta2 already on big tournaments.making fame and money. But you don't. Meaning you are lowskill players, same as the rest of us.

So you can stop telling us what is good and what is bad, all the while insulting us being lowskill players, who don't know shit about the map.Couse you don't know shit neighter.

This map is killing classic Dota1, and morphing into Dota2.
The question is, who asked for this, why are we forced into this, and why are players even support this instead of just fucking off to play Dota2?
Why do we have to play Dota2 on both platforms? Valve and war3?

Drakolich: Your posts on this forum section are the proof of what a childish person you are. You aren't a mapmaker, just a copy-paster guy of Dota2, who took the money from players who wanted to support classic Dota1. Imagine their frustration when they saw this new map of yours. I don't think they all donated money for 'this'.

Well said man 👌
qqbabies with "too much dota2" arguments can go play 6.81, dont ever speak about any of my maps - get back to the classic.
I wont agree with "this is too much changes". There were just as big patches back to 2006-8, and nobody rly bothered, just moved on.
Also neutral items arent cornerstones of balancing for d2 for many reasons, it doesn't matter for us.

I'm curious, why don't you kept Dota 1 terrain and kept adding new stuff from Dota2?

Exactly my thoughts, big like for asking this.
At this point, if Drakolich would only implement the new hero (Mars), fix bugs, rebalance heroes skills and items, I would even welcome those changes. Not all are good for sure, but these changes can be and will be fixed in the future im confident.

What took away the Dota1 feeling, is the terrain changes (adding shrines/outposts, new runes, new roshan location) which are direct copies from Dota2, and the new UI. Rollback the terrain, rollback the UI, and from my part, the rest is fine.
To test 100+ heroes takes time anyway, and I'm sure the bugs/unbalanced heroes will be fixed later.

The game crashed for me as well pressing F9.

Again Drakolich, I understand your feelings when you are criticized, being a mapmaker myself, but try to take it as an adult, not as a child which is reflected in your forum answers.

I can only hope for a version, where both classic players and new map supporters are partly satisfied at least. That would be the rollback option in my opinion, at least you could make a test-map for this.
Old terrain, old UI, and new hero changes, bug fixes.
Great decision, now I can go back to climbing the ladder with my boy Corristo and hopefully all the greedy pro players are gone.

Give the players what they want, 6.83! LETS GO

Lol dude,long story short: pro players are playing DOta2 long ago. These so called pros here, just have a potato PC, and they cant run proper Dota2. So they are trying to morph Dota1 into Dota2.
I'm glad we can finally return to classic dota1, maybe Drakolich will change his mind and make a rollback for the UI and the terrain, so it can fit classic players desire as well. This would be a long run solution for both sides. But knowing him he won't rollback anything out of principle.
See you ingame lads!
Great decision !!!  I'm glad they heard the voice of the players.
Dota 1 is something what is unique and shouldn't be replaced with cheap versions of Dota 2. Admins and Map creators should separate Dota 1 and Dota 2 and consider in future to keep that way.The old classic Dota 1 is back, as most of the people wanted.
I'm very happy! Dota 1 and Dota 2 are two different stories which should be respected as they are. Mixing each other is making something which is not good for the both sides. Now we all go back to fight for our psr as we did before the new update. See you back in the game 6.90 !!! Classic Dota 1 is back !   ;D ;D :y: :y:
Have fun all! Greetings  :peace:

So talents are classic for you, extra slot for tp is classic for you, bounty runes are classic for you, new heroes are classic for you (mk, ww, earth spirit, oracle), new items like bloodthorn, glimmer, greaves etc. are classic for you???
You enjoy it because every year map is updating by something new, we will see how you will enjoy it when map doesnt update 10 years..
Draco make new terrain so by new terrain in future he can update a lot of new things (i think), by me its wise choice to do so, also new mechanics and staff way more better.

"New mechanics and stuff"
Hahaha I laughed so good at this! :D

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2020, 20:10 »
@grga_man thoughts on the list of supporters

Im trully happy seeing daniel123 in that list, also im waiting charts of mordor to make it, its easier to watch statistic calculations via charts.

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #57 on: December 13, 2020, 20:18 »
After new patch i dont know which one i delete dota2 and turn back d1 for play 6.9. bec i like old dota with small changes. Simply, i would prefer dota2 instead of playing map 7.
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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #58 on: December 13, 2020, 21:46 »
I vote for Dota 6.9 command to get back to normal, completely support you @mordor911

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Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
« Reply #59 on: December 13, 2020, 22:13 »
I vote for Dota 6.9 command to get back to normal, completely support you @mordor911
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