Author Topic: W3 graphics update (Read 18450 times)

Renovatio · « **on:** October 04, 2016, 10:03 »

Feel free to write your own option if you dont find it in those 10 or any other thing that you have to say (but stick to the forum's rules).

I want to make a patch with improved graphics for eurobattle's users. It will not be forced to you, it will be available just for the ones that want a new look for the game.
Efko said it better:

Quote from: efko.aqw on October 04, 2016, 20:13

IMPORTANT THING: This topic is about free patch which will affect on skins only on single PC. So when testing skins is finished, it will be probably announced. Players will be free to use them, it won't be implemented directly on the map.

It will be done only if I get enough feedback from you guys.

I have some video settings and a mod that changes almost everything but is messing up dota (needs files path fixing, model rescalling, adding/eliminating models, textures, etc). None are made by me. You can find them on internet, I will not post here links or keywords (but some screenshots will be posted).

All the options from the poll can be used but mby most of the players would want some changes but not overall.

Spoiler for Hiden:

UPDATE1: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=175266.msg619669#msg619669
UPDATE2a: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=175266.msg620338#msg620338
UPDATE2b: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=175266.msg620343#msg620343
UPDATE3: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=175266.msg620540#msg620540
UPDATE4: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=175266.msg622326#msg622326

jeandarc · « **Reply #1 on:** October 04, 2016, 13:04 »

Why would our opinion even fucking matter and why the fuck i dont see commy's mom in the voting options

Renovatio · « **Reply #2 on:** October 04, 2016, 13:09 »

Quote from: jeandarc on October 04, 2016, 13:04

Why would our opinion even fucking matter and why the fuck i dont see commy's mom in the voting options

Just vote. It matters. No mothers in this options, sorry.

na_kacu · « **Reply #3 on:** October 04, 2016, 14:27 »

I'd like just to have some optimalization. I play mostly dota and the only thing that i don't like are graphic freezes. I know I don't have super nice comp so for me probably adding new stuff will only provide less frames per second xD.

As for now it's ok. W3 has it own climat but if I d like sth new it would be new hero or creeps models. It could be nice for eye maybe my comp would handle it xD.

CoMMoN1337 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 04, 2016, 16:04 »

Why is there no option that says "Nothing, the game is absolute fucking dogshit and nothing will fix it."

Also why are you even making this, it's not like you're the warcraft 3 developer and you're thinking about making some changes for the game.

My opinion about this is, graphics are the most irrelevant part of a game, the gameplay is the most important part of a game, if you want a game to be more interesting you should make the gameplay more interesting.
Pretty lights and other bullshit attract mostly only idiots.

beastiary · « **Reply #5 on:** October 04, 2016, 16:28 »

graphics are indeed irrelevant

Renovatio · « **Reply #6 on:** October 04, 2016, 16:33 »

Quote from: CoMMoN1337 on October 04, 2016, 16:04

Why is there no option that says "Nothing, the game is absolute fucking dogshit and nothing will fix it."

Also why are you even making this, it's not like you're the warcraft 3 developer and you're thinking about making some changes for the game.

My opinion about this is, graphics are the most irrelevant part of a game, the gameplay is the most important part of a game, if you want a game to be more interesting you should make the gameplay more interesting.
Pretty lights and other bullshit attract mostly only idiots.

Actually I am thinking about making some changes for the game and I dont need to be the game's developer for this. The game has user-made mods/models/textures/maps/sounds/AI scripts/icons/etc every year since its release. Was abandoned by Blizzard and kept alive and "updated" by users (reason for it's 1.27 official patch). The gameplay is out of our amateur reach (IceFrog and Dracol1ch currently have this job) but we can have better graphics. I didnt wrote my ideea here because I was waiting first feedback from the Staff. In every game's description, ever made , you will find graphics among gameplay, storyline and sound. MOBA doesnt have storyline, is gameplay based (so I agree with you) but the 2nd most important thing after gameplay are the game's graphix. If you dont agree then go ahead and play the game with the video minimum settings. Pretty lights and other bullshit may attract players from other platforms that have the same gameplay like here (is just 1 gameplay for DotA, with little difference between the last versions of the maps). Anyway, this server needs players, is pointless to invest such work and effort for a handful of pros that not even show some gratitude.

jeandarc · « **Reply #7 on:** October 04, 2016, 16:59 »

Rofl. And how are you planning to make these changes? Do you even have any clue what you're talking about?

Edit: i also just realized that you are mixing warcraft 3 and dota. Icefrog didnt keep the game updated after blizzard stopped caring about warcraft 3 lmao xDDD

Renovatio · « **Reply #8 on:** October 04, 2016, 17:08 »

Quote from: jeandarc on October 04, 2016, 16:59

Rofl. And how are you planning to make these changes? Do you even have any clue what you're talking about?

I'm updating my 1st topic. Details there. I dont expect you to say something useful but you can try. If you do not know me then why do you think I cant do it? You are 1 big asshole but, as far as I saw, you are smart. You look stupid only when you judge people that you dont have a clue who they are (their character, their temper, their abilities).

jeandarc · « **Reply #9 on:** October 04, 2016, 17:21 »

Again you are mixing the entire warcraft 3 with dota... The images of those units which you posted arent improved graphics of the current dota heroes, those are totally different units. Not to even mention that you don't even need a new warcraft 3 patch to add new units into a map.

Warcraft 3 = the game
Dota 1 = a map in that game

Renovatio · « **Reply #10 on:** October 04, 2016, 17:33 »

I'm not making the models, textures, etc. They are already made for the game but it doesnt fit for dota. There are all in a mod. I will just edit it. I need to fix filepaths for some hero models (tiny, trax, etc, for example), I need to rescale the models (trees are to big, undy doesnt fit the window when he ulti, wind is to tall, sniper is to small, etc), I need to fix the terrain (the unpathable textures used by IceFrog doesnt fit the rest of the terrain and ofc is visible). After this things I will test to see if all work properly and then I will make a installer that replace the game's 4 main archives (.mpq). It will be the same game, it will just have other textures and models (depending on your feedback). I forgot to add the game's interface to the options but I think I will exclude it anyway, it looks wierd.

About the video settings: registry entries (doesnt mess with the game's path). The models and textures are HD, this settings are somethng extra, for further graphic improvement, but needs more testing, the mouse cursors is losing some precison (in game), it may be bcs of my video board. The video settings works for the current models and textures too (I got it from another mod).

Renovatio · « **Reply #11 on:** October 04, 2016, 17:46 »

Quote from: jeandarc on October 04, 2016, 17:21

Again you are mixing the entire warcraft 3 with dota... The images of those units which you posted arent improved graphics of the current dota heroes, those are totally different units. Not to even mention that you don't even need a new warcraft 3 patch to add new units into a map.

Warcraft 3 = the game
Dota 1 = a map in that game

I am not including them in the map. I am not editing the map. I am editing the game. The maps gets 99% of its resources from the game's archives. I am giving it other resources.

Those are improved graphix. I am losing to much time to make screenshots of the original ones so I can compare them. The guy that created this models used the original sketches. While old Krob is made from 4-5 parts and most of it's details are just "shape", the new Krob is made from 83 parts, providing all the details that were meant by the original designers. There are some models that got new parts and scales (not included in the originals), Tiny for example, but you can still see that is the same sketch. This arent models like in DotA 2, where they replaced all (m,ade new heroes), this are upgrades to the original warcraft 3 units. There are some rip-offs from WOW too. Magina for example. Is highly detailed and has 8 combat animations while the original W3 models had one or max two.

When I say "patch" I am refering to a instaler that "patches" files to W3 directory. It can easily be done by just replacing the game's archives with the ones provided by the mod but I recall how much chaos was when the eu client installer needed update or a new map needed to be downloaded to the w3 directory. It is better to make a single file installer that do this thing for the user. He goes double-click, next, next, finish and problem solved.

CoMMoN1337 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 04, 2016, 19:05 »

Quote from: Renovatio on October 04, 2016, 16:33

Quote from: CoMMoN1337 on October 04, 2016, 16:04
Why is there no option that says "Nothing, the game is absolute fucking dogshit and nothing will fix it."

Also why are you even making this, it's not like you're the warcraft 3 developer and you're thinking about making some changes for the game.

My opinion about this is, graphics are the most irrelevant part of a game, the gameplay is the most important part of a game, if you want a game to be more interesting you should make the gameplay more interesting.
Pretty lights and other bullshit attract mostly only idiots.

Actually I am thinking about making some changes for the game and I dont need to be the game's developer for this. The game has user-made mods/models/textures/maps/sounds/AI scripts/icons/etc every year since its release. Was abandoned by Blizzard and kept alive and "updated" by users (reason for it's 1.27 official patch). The gameplay is out of our amateur reach (IceFrog and Dracol1ch currently have this job) but we can have better graphics. I didnt wrote my ideea here because I was waiting first feedback from the Staff. In every game's description, ever made , you will find graphics among gameplay, storyline and sound. MOBA doesnt have storyline, is gameplay based (so I agree with you) but the 2nd most important thing after gameplay are the game's graphix. If you dont agree then go ahead and play the game with the video minimum settings. Pretty lights and other bullshit may attract players from other platforms that have the same gameplay like here (is just 1 gameplay for DotA, with little difference between the last versions of the maps). Anyway, this server needs players, is pointless to invest such work and effort for a handful of pros that not even show some gratitude.

More like it's pointless to invest such work in a game that has been dead for several years, is dead even now, and will continue to be dead for all time.

I don't care about minimum/maximum settings, I can play both ways with absolutely no difference to my enjoyment. I'm interested in the fucking game, not the way it looks, I don't give a single shit how this game or any other game for that matter looks, I play it and other games only for the gameplay, for example I downloaded warcraft 2 again 6 days ago and I'm doing all the 4 campaigns from it again, do you have any idea how "bad" that game looks compared to warcraft 3 ? I don't give a single shit about that, as long as you can see what is going on it's fine, and the campaigns are pretty fun and some missions are actually challenging even now when you set the game speed to maximum for the whole game as I do.

Most games that are developed nowadays are getting less and less depth and more and more graphics, to the point that they tell you exactly what to fucking do at every step, so you just mindlessly follow instructions and stare at pretty lights, and that's the entire fucking game.

The worst part is that intelligent people who are developing games are discouraged from creating quality big depth ones because why even bother, when some pretty lights and mindless instruction following game will sell just fine, you idiots are ruining the entire world, this shit applies to everything in life not just games, you make smart people invest their time into making shit that is far below their capabilities because they have no reason to bother to create anything better since you all eat it up anyway.

I mean I have no idea if you're an idiot or not, I'm just saying.
You may just want to do this because you like the game and want to change it for what you consider to be better so you can enjoy it more, if you're doing it for this reason then you're not an idiot.