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« on: October 08, 2010, 14:57 »
From my point of view I dont think he abused mod powers!
Well he only said "You know you can be banned for that" and he was right about that, you could, but you did not!
Again this is not proving me wrong using valid arguments, it is giving your opinion! You even said it! "From my point of view". I dont care about your opinion, I care about which rule or interpretation of a rule proves you are right! There is none! Ergo I am right. Please, please, please state where in the rules it says that I should be banned for following the rules (and not the ones that you made up in your "opinion"). I have already countered your opinion in THIS post [ http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,23621.msg74353.html#msg74353 ]. Please, please, please read it before you blatantly ignore it again and simply restate your opinion and your belief that you are right. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @night_must_fall Really? Do you really think "OMG" to be a good contribution to this discussion? I have asked you to sod off before, since apparently all you are able to do is flame off-topic and ramble in incoherent english. Instead of defending yourself all you have done is flame me. Go away.
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« on: October 08, 2010, 14:47 »
So basically all you people have said is "lol mi mod joo lowly peasant, my word is law". You have said somewhere in this thread that I am treating the rules as some kind of religious text. Ofcourse not. When there is a case against someone this case should either be proven or disproven by discussing how the rules apply to this case. Especially in a conflict involving a mod. Giving your opinion and then just saying "yep this is my opinion I am right" is not interpreting the rules, it's blatantly making up new ones.
I have disproven a whole range of faulty arguments and "opinions" using quotes, simple and clear reasoning and the rules. I am not saying "the same things" over and over again. All of the comments made by the mods can basically be summed up into "Lol we are the mods, and we will do nothing about this, because its our opinion and our opinion is always right!". I have always been correct and polite, you on the other hand have flamed me endlessly ("rage-nerd" , "nerdgertivs" or whatever, "joo a nobody") and have throughout this discussion ignored valid points made, or countered valid points by giving your OPINION, which is NOT A VALID ARGUMENT, merely your opinion!
I have come here with a case that is still valid, according to the rules and the many, many arguments I have put forth to support my case. All the mods have done is be condescending, arrogant, flame and ramble off-topic. We have clearly won this discussion yet you keep uttering bullshit like "lol mi mod joo argument invalid, no power abuse". This makes you mods indeed look like complete idiots.
Read the statements I have made at the top of page 7 and see how I completely proved the head mod wrong, using the rules and valid argumentation.
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« on: October 08, 2010, 01:54 »
Lol, I will just copypaste my last reply as it applies perfectly here:
He posted his concerns on some of the incongruities in the rules. Your reply to this was basically "lol u nubb u tell god mods what to do lawrlz", like a thirteen in a dozen pubtard.
He pointed out that in his opinion the rules could be improved. That is what the rules board is for. He gave a perfectly reasonable argumentation for his opinion, and he didnt flame anywhere.
You did not reply to the contents of his post, you just for some idiotic reason assume he is a condescending bastard while he has done nothing to warrant such an accreditation, you have not countered his arguments in any way.
Just like night_must_fall you apparently have nothing significant to contribute to this discussion. Again, we could do without you, most certainly!
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« on: October 08, 2010, 01:41 »
@ polska: excellent! Just what I have been longing to hear. Im very curious about the new rules and hope they will be a huge improvement for the community, whatever the contents.
Now to finally get back on topic: Still no warn for night_must_fall, and still no apology or punishment for his power abuse (which I consider proven by now as the head ban mod mysteriously ignored the arguments in my latest post).
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« on: October 08, 2010, 01:28 »
While your literal skills are quite high its your IQ level which needs an ,significant, improvement.
explanation (you obviously need it)
1st - you abused !banlast command. (Yes you did. You can call me retard as you wish but you simply did as the majority of admins agreed on it.) Therefore if you are trying to find justice here you should start asking yourself: "Should I ban the guy?" resulting to the obvious, and only solution - You are the idiot who did wrong here.
2nd - In relevance to the point 1 you are spamming the forum here because some admin didnt like you abusing. Conclusion : You have nothing to do in your free time! I gave you simply friendly advices how to spend your time in better way.
3rd - I am pretty sure that he has the same opinion about you. The problem is that he owns this server - and NO you didnt come with VALID complaint. If you cant see that read the point 1 again.
Summary: Yes look in mirror nubb. It IS just game. My condolences to your gf and best wishes - she needs a nerves of steel. Since nobody seems to agree with you here, its not the admins who failed to prove their point.
Read the rules and the contents of this thread. I will not repeat myself again, I have done so several times already. If you cannot at least reply to my arguments instead of generating completely general, non-specific slandering then please just GTFO. We really do not need you here. I hope the rest of you noticed his retarded set of faulty ad-hominem arguments. If the mods disagree with me it does in no sense mean that I am wrong, since they have been unable to point that out. Should I get banned because the mod agree that I looked at them the wrong way? LMAO. Perhaps you really think they are gods? I have nothing to do in my free time? I play DotA in my free time, amongst other things. Surely this is something most of us in this community share. Insulting my relationship does absolutely nothing to prove me wrong. You have merely stated that I am wrong, without providing any kind of legit argumentation whatsoever. Any complete idiot could do this, so I am just going to assume that you are one. Goodbye.
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« on: October 08, 2010, 01:11 »
1) Does not make sense and completely irrelevant to the topic. Dismissed!
2) It's not just a game. It's a community. Apparently you fail to see that. Oh and I have a girlfriend.
Again, irrelevant to the topic, and might I add utterly retarded. Dismissed!
3) Then Fawkz can go fudge himself for all I care, I have come here with a valid complaint in accordance with the rules that the owners of the bot themselves have established here. Again irrelevant to the topic and also retarded. Dismissed!
You seem to be deflecting the actual issue by groping at generic flames, such as 1) "omg look in mirror nubb" 2) "it just gaem nubb go get gf loser" and 3) "u no liek god admins u go awai lawrlz", something the mods tried in pages 1-5. If they did not succeed, why would an obvious pubbie retard like yourself?
You have added nothing to this discussion. Kindly go away, nobody will miss you, I assure you!
Now can we PLEASE get ON TOPIC?
EDIT: My patience is growing increasingly thin. If you do not have anything significant to contribute, just stay away, it will save you a good deal of flames, as well as save this topic a couple of useless pages.
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« on: October 08, 2010, 00:06 »
@mrniceguy: You never flamed me, I have never said that you flamed me specifically. Though you did call people "dumb" a few times. Not the smartest move as a mod. Though I dont remember who these remarks were regarding, and it's pretty irrelevant anyway. Recommending that someone who is trying to make a valid point should get medical help is just a retarded reply and not befitting the status of a mod, and I think you know that damn well. I do not require an apology from you, since you never flamed me. At least you seem to be a mod with good intentions.
It's interesting though how I have gone through significant measures to indicate where you are wrong, and have (in my humble opinion) succeeded, yet you ignore all my points!
You said "I have tryed 3 mybe 4 times to explain u the things, and yet u did not understand them" in your post right after mine.
Dude, I have just taken excerpts from nearly all of your posts and pointed out that you are not right! How can you ignore that?
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@polska: Thanks for the apology but it was not needed! You did nothing wrong, you read my post and thought a mod was being wronged, and acted accordingly, I can understand that ofcourse.
Though I understand your point regarding ingame self-unbans, I do not agree. This bot belongs to the head admins who pay for it. Nowhere in the "mod recruiting" post was stated that one has to pay for the bot, so it should not count as theirs. The head admins give them certain rights to help run it, that is all. Giving a certain group of people (nearly) unlimited power has not worked out well, just take a look at history. I think the community deserves to know what is going on, so I have decided to make this a public report. At least then if the mods dismissed this case for no reason (because yes, they have that power) at least the community would know their true colors. And I think some of them have certainly shown their true colors in this thread.
I'm not some "random pubbie telling you guys what to do". Im a "random pubbie who comes with a valid complaint and who is proven right by the rules", rules which you yourselves decided to formulate and apply to ban issues. Again, instead of proving me wrong or admitting that Im right, most of this thread has been dedicated to offtopic flaming and attempts to discredit me, most of which was posted by the mods. Why dont you ask them which direction this 7 page thread is taking?
What you as community leaders should understand is that you are just a part of a larger community. If the English Premier League would give referees absolute rule so that they could threaten every player with a red card for no valid reason, they would rapidly lose credibility in europe. Just as much as the Premier League is affected by its reputation, so is PD.eu. Most dota players I socialize with have told me such things as "oh yes PD.eu is great fun. Bottom of the barrel. Tards exclusively. Biggest noobs youll ever see, and retarded mods. If you want to see treads, refresher orb tinkers then you should totally play there!"
I hope you are not offended by this statement as it is not mine. I just hope that you can see that by making rediculous decisions and not following rules as mods, you are not contributing to the image of PD.eu's community. You're only making it worse. A community which I really enjoy playing in, might I add. If these issues are not rectified in the near future I foresee only a bigger downfall in PD.eu's "street cred". Sure you might still be growing, and growing fast perhaps, I do not know. But since every decent player will be staying away from PD.eu, you will only attract total tards and enormous pubnoobs ("wait till I get my eaglehorn!"). Is that your goal, as a community? I cannot imagine.
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@Sl0wMotion: I have never claimed that mods should be god-like creatures who never make a mistake. Not once. Imo Im not asking for much, just three simple points:
- their english should be understandable
- they should know and properly apply the rules
- they should be polite and impartial
As you will no doubt have seen in this thread, a significant number of the mods does not meet even these modest standards. Furthermore I am annoyed with the attitude some of these mods have taken towards me, doing nothing more than posting a valid complaint. I never asked them to be some god-like entity, but perhaps some of them are viewing themselves in such a way. A few have called me a "nobody" and a "rage-nerd" even though I have been perfectly polite and correct in my argumentation. I call that a superiority complex and yes, that is offending and not befitting a mod. Especially since some of them seem not to possess adequate English skills and to possess intelligence of a questionable level.
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« on: October 07, 2010, 23:01 »
Lol, since you made bold claims indeed I have reread the entire topic looking for any post made by you that was even remotely coherent and proved me wrong on at least one point. I have failed to find even a single one. Perhaps you could point them out to me specifically? Me and Fnelleh have the same ip because, so so utterly surprisingly, we are brothers. http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=755331 this game should prove it as we played alongside one another. Unfortunately the game had to be remade because of guess what? A leaver. I have taken excerpts from almost all of your posts and clearly pointed out where you are wrong: Negertivs dude, HOW IN HELL YOU CAN KNOW THAT HE LEFT ON PURPOSE DURING LOADING??
I cant know. I dont care to know. The rules state "player must not leave". He left. He should at least be warned, as stated in the rules. End of discussion. So to make this completely clear: I did not know if he left or disced. But it doesnt matter. There is no rule that excuses him. If you say something like "omg but its clear he disced he does not deserve ban/warn" then you are making up new rules, not following the actual rules. That is why he banned you, and I would ban you myself if someone else reported your for banning like that!
He didnt ban me, he only threatened to ban me. "Player must not leave" is a very specific rule and is very hard to interpret loosely, since the statement is so definite. "Abusing ban command is not allowed" however is a lot more open to interpretation. If you ban me for banning someone who is guilty of breaking a rule, well maybe you should consider that the "warn" clause is a tiny footnote somewhere at the bottom of the rules in an utterly unreadable table. Its funny how you are so very lenient with a mod who has clearly broken a rule, yet are completely ready to ban me for doing nothing but trying to follow the rules! You abused ban command cause ONCE AGAIN YOU CAN NOT BE SURE THAT HE LEFT ON PURPOSE OR HE HAD CONNECTION PROBLEMS!
That he broke the "player must not leave" rule is a simple fact. There is no clause anywhere which excuses people for lagging out. Should I have somehow guessed, smelled, or felt in the water of my left knee that there is a lenient policy towards laggers here? I cant be arsed to read every precedent set in the (un)ban request section. Its just laughable that you want to ban me for something that I cannot possibly have known. 1) Player night_must_fall has LEFT THE GAME
What game, are you so dumb to understand that he did not left game, cause the game did not even started, he lagged out/ lost connection/ dropped during loading, and you banned him without knowing the reason why he dropped during loading
Here you are grasping at a miniscule detail and interpret it in a wrong way. Leaving means either disconnecting, plugging, clicking the "quit button", ALT-F4 or just plainly pulling the power cord out of the computer. Whichever method one chooses, the game will always say: "randomnick has LEFT THE GAME". The rules state: Player must not leave. Whether this offense is punished by a ban or a warn, he has still broken this rule. @Negertivs.If you give me the link of the game, and if he left game in 4 min, 5 min, 10 min, then you could call it abuse, BUT IF HE LEFT NOT IF HE GOT HIGH PING AND LOST CONNECTION!
I seriously can not understand this. It does not make sense on any level. Once again, I think I was clear: I would ban you myself if someone else reports you for that, and HE DID NOT I REPEAT DID NOT ABUSED HIS MOD STATS!
Here you have made a completely arbitrary decision without providing any motivation. Did you flip a coin? Kick the cat and watched which way it jumped? I dunno. I think it's pretty clear to just about everyone who is not a mod and has a shred of common sense that happily strolling into a lobby and threatening to ban someone is abuse of power. Since analogies seem to work so well with you people: Should a judge, who is being accused in a case, threaten another judge with a random conviction? I dont think so. Oh and for unbanning himself: should a judge, who has been convicted by another judge, take his own appeal and simply drop all charges? I dont think so either! ONCE AGAIN HE DID NOT LEFT GAME CAUSE GAME DID NOT STARTED DO I NEED TO DRAW THAT FOR BOTH OF YOU!
Nowhere is this in the rules, so again it comes down to common sense. I will answer this one with quotes from Aliradicali and Domagoj: Domagoj: "We must have a different vision on when the game starts. As far as im concerned the game starts with the loading screen, because 10+ minutes have been spent waiting for players,checking,spoofing and so on and there are people who will leave the game while loading for i dont know what reason." AliRadicali: "When exactly does the game count as started? The rules don't mention it, but common sense dictates that the game has begun as soon as the lobby countdown ends. Why? First of all, look at the countdown message: "Game starting in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0" Seems pretty obvious right?" Well for me game starts when you type mode or when first creeps spawn! <--- but again mybe it s only me i dont know!
Why? For the love of God why?? You are already ingame, connected and commited to following the ingame rules before the creeps spawn. There are even kills made before the creeps spawn! This is again an utterly arbitrary decision which makes no sense whatsoever. So you have disproved me on exactly zero points. You have made random and arbitrary decisions, especially the "he did not abuse his mod powers" was painful indeed, since it appeared you made this decision not based on common sense or ethics but rather on safeguarding the untouchability of the mods and if I may add, a condescending predisposition. I will conclude by laying out some of the effects of giving night_must_fall at least a warn, and then you can decide whether these effects will have a beneficial effect on this community and it's relation with the mods. - By showing that mods are also subject to rules, you will curb the power of the mods by setting a precedent. This will make them think twice about power abuse since now both the mods and the community know this can be successfully reported. - This "investment" will in turn generate a significant boost in the trust and respect this community gives the mods as well as the rules, which will allow it to function better and help avoid putting the mods in such bad daylight as they have put themselves in this topic. Your choice really, personally Id consider it a sound investment.
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« on: October 07, 2010, 19:58 »
He posted his concerns on some of the incongruities in the rules. Your reply to this was basically "omg joo tard joo no lern lesson", like a thirteen in a dozen pubtard. You are a mod, you can not reply like this. If you do not have anything to contribute to a topic or discussion, then kindly sod off. Thanks!
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« on: October 07, 2010, 19:57 »
Ali gave his view on some of the reasoning in Geistesblitz' post. Your reply to this was basically "omg joo nid medical treatment u post retarded bla bla", like a thirteen in a dozen pubtard. You are a mod, you can not reply like this. If you do not have anything to contribute to a topic or discussion, then kindly sod off. Thanks!
Oh and the same should go for you mrniceguy, recommending someone who has just proven you wrong with actual arguments for "medical treatment" is a response entirely unappropriate for a mod. God Ive never seen so much flaming done by mods. By your own rules you should be banned from your own forum, lmao!
ON TOPIC NOW:
I am ofcourse willing to concede that I did not notice that a player who leaves before the creeps spawn apparently only deserves a warn. It's only a tiny footnote and a mere technicality which gets him off the hook then. He has still not received a warn. And didnt open an unban request to have this warn and/or ban removed. Oh and might I add that that rule just sounds downright retarded.
So then remains the n'th unanswered issue, namely his power abuse. I think it's a shame that when I start a thread and state a bunch of actual issues, it actually takes four pages of offtopic flaming by the mods before Zerind, who is not even a mod, produces an actual contribution to the discussion. Perhaps he should be promoted? All in all this does not make the mods look good, and in the end you have only yourselves to blame for that.
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« on: October 06, 2010, 17:39 »
Sad you cannot use your own commen sense/judgement when bannning people. New Rules- Mods are above all rules. You will follow it with no problem right?
Well I suppose such a rule would make life easier for the mods. Unfortunately it will reduce the community to a cesspool where mods would rule by Divine Right, again pre-revolutionary France circa 1700? If you prefer improving your own stance instead of improving the community's stance, then all you will have done is proven that you are not a good mod. Oh and the "nerd-rage" again. This will be the last time I point this out: I have a valid complaint. The rules say I am right. Instead of admitting that I am right or at least trying to prove me wrong, you call me a "raging nerd". Does anyone even take you mods seriously? How did they select you, take 10 random people from the "balance" section and give them mod rights? If this thread is to die to your pathetic deflections it'd be sad, but at least people would know how utterly incompetent the lot of you really are, since apparently you are unable to professionally deal with even a simple abuse report.
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« on: October 06, 2010, 17:28 »
Okay. Apparently this is not getting through to you all, so I will state it again. Simply.
1) Player night_must_fall has LEFT THE GAME
2) The rule "Player must not leave" applies, night_must_fall must be banned.
3) I do know know if he left intentionally, but there is NO RULE THAT EXCUSES LEAVING
4) Player night_must_fall has been banned
5) The rule "Abusing ban command is not allowed" CAN NOT apply, because night_must_fall was banned for a VALID REASON, IN ACCORDANCE WITH A RULE
6) He abuses his powers, I report his abuse on this forum, providing CLEAR evidence, and I get spewed on and ridiculed by mods who cannot work the rules out (like Ali said, it's not exactly rocketscience).
The rules have spoken. It seems a lot of mods do not abide by the rules but insist on adding a few of their own. banning me for banning a leaver is in direct violation of the rules that you claim to uphold.
I would be the first to agree that the rules need to be expanded and improved. Ive been told they are being reworked. I hope, in the future, to be able to host a game without needed to worry about being banned for things that are not set down in the rules, like that preposterous "you dont know if he disced you a bad host durr" idea you all seem to have.
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« on: October 06, 2010, 17:05 »
I did not "base" my post on the count of you ALT-F4'ing, I based my post on the count of you LEAVING.
You have come up with a good deal of bullcrap spew, such as "omg this all so senseless", and apparently we are "nobodies" who don't deserve to voice a valid complaint. Is the hierarchy of this bot modelled after pre-revolutionary France circa 1700?
Again, you have provided me neither an apology for your misconduct, nor a valid reason that should excuse you for being banned for leaving, backed by a RULE. Instead you keep on blabbering on how this is all so unfair and how we are out to get you. I tell you again: according to the rules, it is irrelevant whether you leave voluntarily or disconnect. You did not go through any channels to get yourself a warranted unban, and you unfairly threatened to ban me.
Im getting tired of explaining the same things over and over again. Anyone smell Asperger's?
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« on: October 06, 2010, 15:54 »
On topic now, i wont comment those utter rage sentences , i shall stick only to these ones.
How stupid can one be to say so baldly that i alt+f4 on loading screen, really (i expect an answer from the above to this  ) . Who do u think u are ?? God?
I wont even try to justify my disc, lol i unban ppl every day for disc , and a user driven by rage comes here to tell me i shouldnt join games if i could possibly have disc from internet. IM really sad to say this but are you that stupid? Do u think im responsible for my internet provider ?
And please embarrass me ? I will say this now, next time u ban smn for disc , and it isnt a clear plug u will get a ban for sure.
I politely asked u why u banned me and you baldly say i alt+f4 , man who do u think u are.
This just goes to show how utterly incompetent you are. I banned you for leaving (Player must not leave). I stuck to the rules. There is no rule that excuses you. Go ahead, try to find one! Whether or not you disconnected is impossible to determine, and therefore not my problem as a host. Threatening to ban me for rightfully banning you is nothing short of power abuse. Instead of providing me a valid reply referring to a valid rule, you call me stupid, raging and somehow God-complexed. You did not politely ask me why I banned you, you bluntly asked me and then proceded to threaten me with a ban. Yes you clearly are a superb role model for all mods! I have done nothing wrong. I have validly banned you in accordance with a rule, and since you clearly abused your power and threatened me I felt it necessary to expose that to the public. Instead of trying to prove me wrong, you simply call me names. "Are you God? Your argument is invalid.". Wow. Ill just conclude that you are desperate and are groping for anything which might excuse you. Well done, incompetency proven. And again you threaten me with a ban. Did your mod rights come in a cereal box? Im at a loss why this guy is still a mod. I don't understand, you trying to demoralize/embarass a mod is publicly addressing an issue?
Him becoming "demoralized" and/or "embarassed" is irrelevant. I have pointed out a couple of problems, none of which you have given adequate answers to. Instead you call me a "rage-nerd" and a "nobody". Again, instead of trying to prove me wrong you cheerfully ignored all my points and proceeded to protect your mod friend by trying to discredit me, scolding my motives. I have nothing to add to your post.
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« on: October 06, 2010, 13:33 »
"Rage banning"? The who in the what now? There is no rule for this, ergo "rage banning" as you call it does not exist. I clearly explained why I banned him, again in concurrance with an actual rule. How is this "rage"? Later this guy went into the lobby (performing host commands as well in the game where he would later drop) and threatened me for no valid reason. You should be offering them advice and help the community be more efficient, instead of trying to purge pd. We are not at that point yet and I hope it doesn't have to get to that.
Oh this is rich. An entire lobby of players wronged by a mod who subsequently gives himself a free unban and then returns bold as brass to threaten the host with a ban, I must be a complete moron for trying to publicly address this issue! And point out that for every game I host there is a good 40% chance that Ill be banned for a random, non-existing "bad host" rule! If only this guy had been a shred more dignified there would not be a post about it. Im not asking much IMHO, all a mod needs to be able to do is speak English, know the rules (which he clearly does not) and be polite (which he clearly is not). Im only posting because it is so clear that PD.eu in fact has already passed the point where there needs to be a mod purge. I hear complaints from players who have to deal with complete nitwits performing undeserved jobs that they are not up to every day. Surely some of them have reached these boards as well? You can either dismiss this post as "rage", "hate-mongering" or whatever cute words you'll come up with. Or you can actually address this issue that many of the players in this community have huge problems with. I assure you that I am not "raging". Im merely mildly annoyed. Oh and please provide me with a visible, full list of the invisible "bad host" rules. Do I need to statwhore for 15 minutes in every lobby? Is playing 4v5 in the first 10 minutes an "unplayable condition" (imo no, that would be retarded)? Should I just give up banning leavers then? Thanks in advance!
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