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Suggestion Board / Ban System suggestions (in4 lock)
« on: October 07, 2010, 17:52 »
Since quon stifled the other thread's discussion on this topic for no discernible reason, let me address some problems with the current ban system here and give some suggestions for improvement.
Currently there is a rule that states that someone leaving before creep spawn is penalized with a warn (unlike any other type of leaving, which warrants a ban).
The reason for this rule's existence is probably to reduce the amount of bans for disconnects, since the majority of these early leaves are caused by discs.
Now there are numerous problems with this two rule:
- A leave before creepspawn is not necessarily a disconnect. I've seen enough "didn't get mi favorit heroe"-ragequits to know that there are plenty of players who leave before the creepspawn. Furthermore, a player may leave because of an external circumstance (I.E.: mom raging that $random chore needs to be done immediately).
- Since the host is not allowed to ban the player, he'd have to go through the effort of posting on the forum to get the leaver warned, so most cases would just go unpunished. It seems unfair to make the wronged party go through a lot of effort to get justice.
Furthermore, there seems to be an unspoken rule (it certainly can't be found in the rules), that lagging is not worth a ban:
1. Why is lagging out not bannable?
Most other servers punish laggers, so why not here? Someone lagging out is just as hurtful to a game as leaving, so the only real difference is intent.
Furthermore, since there is no way for a host to distinguish with certainty between a disconnect and a plug-pull, it seems preposterous to expect hosts to try to make this distinction, and even more ludicrous to punish hosts for banning people who claim disconnect.
IMO, there are two solutions for this entire mess:
First of all, remove the rule about early leaving, it is an unnecessary and arbitrary distinction. Additionally, stop punishing people for "Host abuse" if they ban someone who disconnects.
Then, either stop distinguishing between disconnects and leaving/plugging, and just treat them all as leavers.
Or, if you want to end up with cutesy mickey mouse rules:
1. Allow hosts to ban all leavers.
2. Publish a clause for the "Player must not leave" rule, stating that any player banned for disconnecting may get his ban&warn replaced by just a warn by posting an unban request.
And of course make sure that repeat offenders stay banned.
Do not punish hosts for not making a distinction that they cannot make with certainty. Do not force the host to go through extra effort to punish laggers, when it should be the LAGGER (the one at fault, after all), who should have to make the effort to get his rights returned.
Currently there is a rule that states that someone leaving before creep spawn is penalized with a warn (unlike any other type of leaving, which warrants a ban).
The reason for this rule's existence is probably to reduce the amount of bans for disconnects, since the majority of these early leaves are caused by discs.
Now there are numerous problems with this two rule:
- A leave before creepspawn is not necessarily a disconnect. I've seen enough "didn't get mi favorit heroe"-ragequits to know that there are plenty of players who leave before the creepspawn. Furthermore, a player may leave because of an external circumstance (I.E.: mom raging that $random chore needs to be done immediately).
- Since the host is not allowed to ban the player, he'd have to go through the effort of posting on the forum to get the leaver warned, so most cases would just go unpunished. It seems unfair to make the wronged party go through a lot of effort to get justice.
Furthermore, there seems to be an unspoken rule (it certainly can't be found in the rules), that lagging is not worth a ban:
1. Why is lagging out not bannable?
Most other servers punish laggers, so why not here? Someone lagging out is just as hurtful to a game as leaving, so the only real difference is intent.
Furthermore, since there is no way for a host to distinguish with certainty between a disconnect and a plug-pull, it seems preposterous to expect hosts to try to make this distinction, and even more ludicrous to punish hosts for banning people who claim disconnect.
IMO, there are two solutions for this entire mess:
First of all, remove the rule about early leaving, it is an unnecessary and arbitrary distinction. Additionally, stop punishing people for "Host abuse" if they ban someone who disconnects.
Then, either stop distinguishing between disconnects and leaving/plugging, and just treat them all as leavers.
Or, if you want to end up with cutesy mickey mouse rules:
1. Allow hosts to ban all leavers.
2. Publish a clause for the "Player must not leave" rule, stating that any player banned for disconnecting may get his ban&warn replaced by just a warn by posting an unban request.
And of course make sure that repeat offenders stay banned.
Do not punish hosts for not making a distinction that they cannot make with certainty. Do not force the host to go through extra effort to punish laggers, when it should be the LAGGER (the one at fault, after all), who should have to make the effort to get his rights returned.
