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Suggestion Board / Re: Invisible rule?!

« on: April 25, 2010, 16:44 »

Wow you're the first one to actually get the meaning of this post, namely the discussion of this policy in a larger context. Every other post in here has been about defending the admin's choice in this particular game. Applauded.

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Suggestion Board / Re: Invisible rule?!

« on: April 25, 2010, 11:15 »

Why would you have that right? The rules say one must not "stop" playing, I think not laning or roaming, ie not attempting to gather any xp, gold, or offer any kind of opposition would count as such. And if it doesnt, why does that rule even exist then? I think it's a good rule. Enforcing it should lead to an improvement of attitude.

A lot of my games have been ruined by such defeatism lately. Even if a team gets ahead by only a few kills, people simply give up and start whining/delaying the game/camp their fountain altogether to avoid bad stats. It ruins all the fun. Lets not forget that this is a game. And in any game there are winners and losers, it's as simple as that.
Does anyone remember the AC Milan - Liverpool Champions League final? What if Liverpool had said "omg this game waste of time lulz" and had walked off the field instead of coming back from a 0-3 score and eventually winning the game?

Oh and Im not trying to justify fountain-camping in any way, as I said in my previous post, its just plain wrong.

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Suggestion Board / Re: Invisible rule?!

« on: April 24, 2010, 18:17 »

I understand that there is a certain amount of interpretative freedom for the sake of staying reasonable
(as is customary in nearly every legal system). What we did at their fountain is not a point of discussion, it was simply wrong. However, I think its interesting that the admin chose to apply a certain amount of reasonability
to the objects of the banrequest, but neglected to apply that same reasonability to us.

After all, they did not announce that they were "forfeiting" the game. They just went back and camped in
their fountain without any explanation, except "report us then, idiot" after further inquiry. If we take that as the pivot, one might argue that they did not forfeit at all. And then those great rules against game-wasting should kick in.

Yes, we harassed them at their fountain, and yes, this was against the rules. But by the same standards of reasonable rule-interpreting I would like to argue the following:
They did not announce their forfeit. We did not know they had forfeited. All we were aware of was that a couple of childish players refused to face defeat through to the end, and we were annoyed. So yes, I think it is understandable that we threw a couple of nukes in the general direction of their fountain.

The reason you are now facing this wall of text is that I have become very disappointed in the level of my PD games lately. But mostly in the general attitudes of the people I encounter. The ban request system was a way to fight this decline. You have argued reasonability in your reply, but by that very implementation I feel you are rewarding people for lame, fountain-camping defeatist behavior, and actually punishing those that are victimized by it (believe me, I disliked that game as much as anyone on scourge).

Please bear in mind that this post is not in any way meant as an attack or offense. And this is not an un-warn or ban-them-anyway-request. I am simply trying to discuss this and either gain or bring understanding. I am not in any way trying to challenge or undermine the admins' authority. Though the manner of your response will of course demonstrate your quality.
Thank you for your time.

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Suggestion Board / Invisible rule?!

« on: April 24, 2010, 16:10 »

Referring to http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php?topic=3770.0

Others - denied
Scourge got only 1 kill in 23th min, when Silencer went to their fountain. The game was over, you had to end fast!

Please point me to the rule that states we have to finish "when the scourge has no kills". The game is over
when the Tree/Throne has zero hp.

Thanks in advance!

   * Player must not spam;
         NOTE: Spam is considered 5 messages for 5 seconds OR 3 commands for 5seconds.
    * Player must not flame;
    * Player must not leave;
    * Player must not unplug;
    * Player must not stay AFK;
    * Player must not use hack(s);
    * Player must not stay at fountain with the intention of killing heroes for better stats;
         NOTE: This rule is applied only for games saved in season ladder.
    * Player must enter games corresponding his DotA skills;
    * Player must not use units, that don’t belong to him (left players, shared control…), only if the user controling the units does not want it;
         NOTE: Destroying items, that belong to an ally is not allowed.
    * Player must not stop playing and ruining the game.
    * Game owner must take control of the game:
        
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          o Game owner is responsible for the stability of the game;
          o Game owner must balance the teams;
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          o Game owner must vote kick every rule breaker;
          o If 40% of users in game complain about unplayable conditions (with !rmk) in the first 10 minutes of the game, all players have to leave (and game owner can rehost the game).
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