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Title: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: ArizaelCZ on June 21, 2010, 17:35
So i had another epic game on scourges side. Dream team : Omni night with battlefury and without repel. Void with sobi masks. And Batrided with 1/14. Sentinel was stacked team who had ofc epic fun.

The problem is that i joined the game and i managed to check only one player (who was the only decent one) and then to host !started. Unless you press esc key in first 2 seconds you get autoban due to the fact the game starts sooner before you leave drops you to scoreboard and count you as leaver.

I have solution to prevent this. If any player types !stop in the lobby the game is blocked and the host can't
!start force unless the player types !stop again(or something else). This alowes the guy who typed !stop to check his teammates/enemies and the ability to exit the lobby if he finds out that host is stats whore.
Ofc if the the guy goes afk,or abuses it the host can always !open him.

Your opinions?
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: PlayDota.eu08 on June 21, 2010, 17:38
whats with !rdy command ?
every player must type !rdy before game start (when host write !start everyone get a priv. msg : !write !rdy to make the game starteale or smth :P )
if someone is afk just open so he will not ruin the game :)
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: dudicc on June 21, 2010, 17:49
rly it will be better when host type !start everyone must type !rdy then game can start ..
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: night_must_fall on June 21, 2010, 17:55
Yea sure , just implement more typing stuff. Im sure that there is still ppl who dont know how to spoofcheck. With this command the game would took about 20 min to start so i think not, too bad there are still idiots who dont know english but play dota
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: ArizaelCZ on June 21, 2010, 19:10
You must understand that night is right. Just look how many people cant spoof. My idea was that only if players WANTS then he can block the start of the game.
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: DeS_ups on June 25, 2010, 15:25
Yea sure , just implement more typing stuff. Im sure that there is still ppl who dont know how to spoofcheck. With this command the game would took about 20 min to start so i think not, too bad there are still idiots who dont know english but play dota

Better game doesnt start instead of starting with brainless ppl. no?
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: midoelbasha on June 25, 2010, 16:55
!rdy would take ages for everyone to type it.
when u enter a game and its' full type wait or hold on then check stats. if host still starts u can easily esc assuming u dont need to put ur face in the keyboard in order to type.
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: DeS_ups on June 25, 2010, 17:08
!rdy would take ages for everyone to type it.
when u enter a game and its' full type wait or hold on then check stats. if host still starts u can easily esc assuming u dont need to put ur face in the keyboard in order to type.

if you press esc when coundown at 3, game starts anyways
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: PlayDota.eu08 on June 25, 2010, 18:15
yes .
today it happen at me
i wanted to check stats and host started game before game start i said wait 1 min i want to check stats , he started anyway ,  (gn : ap/eu/pros ) i left at 3 the game lobby and game started ( o_O ),
after game started he typed -apEM
i said WTF i wanted to check stats and he said so ?
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: midoelbasha on June 26, 2010, 00:33
if game starts at 3 then i left sooooo many games after they've started.
if u see the number 2 then it's too late but when 3 appears i find plenty of time and i tested it earlier.
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: Djerfi on June 26, 2010, 02:56
We are discussing about a similar command. But it's nothing more than an idea, for now.
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: ek0 on June 26, 2010, 07:52
if game starts at 3 then i left sooooo many games after they've started.
if u see the number 2 then it's too late but when 3 appears i find plenty of time and i tested it earlier.
Depends on the delay.
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: ArizaelCZ on June 26, 2010, 10:58
Exactly. It's theoreticaly possible to leave at 1 but you are RISKING a ban.

@Elision that's great. I  am convinced you will make a right decision  :P
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: mrNiceguy on June 26, 2010, 15:13
Well i think it is not problem with !stop command, but, it can be abused by any player!

Imagine this:

HOST: !start force
Player: !stop
Host: What is the prob?
Player: Slot 2 is noob, kick him, or I leave or whatever!
Host: leave then!
Player: Ok
Player has left room!
Host: !Start force
Bot respond: Error you cant start force player has to type !stop first

Then what ????

If is possible when that player leave, bot should forget his !stop command, or when host rehost game that bot reset that command!
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: ^_GaaRa_^ on June 26, 2010, 16:56
I see this command difficult to implement. If you join a game you must be with your finger in "escape" key so you can check stats and if he starts you can use your finger.
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: ArizaelCZ on June 26, 2010, 17:40
What difficulty? The system is already here. It's called spoofcheck - if player is unchecked the bot won't start the game unless he does so or leave the lobby.

Simply take the spoofchecking concept. Player who types !stop gets mark as stoping player. "The game can not be started because the following players are blocking it : Uber_pro4444." Opening the player will solve the issue. Just like when u kick the smart guy who can't spoof.
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: MyUberNick on June 26, 2010, 20:08
Your idea is solid Arizael, we already thought about it as Elision said, something like this is going to be implemented for the next season.
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: dudicc on June 26, 2010, 20:09
when start new season ?
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: ArizaelCZ on June 26, 2010, 21:23
Your idea is solid Arizael, we already thought about it as Elision said, something like this is going to be implemented for the next season.
cool can't wait new season  :)
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: burax on June 27, 2010, 16:10
I think !stop command can be abused by people. In order to solve your problem, !start force can be removed. Another way is !sdall command which shows everybodies stats to yourself instead of typing !sd 9 times. This command shall show just one line for each player to seem more compact.
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: Djerfi on June 27, 2010, 18:08
when start new season ?

Fourth (4) DotA season started at 23:55 hours EuroBattle server time on May 23rd and will last for about two months.

Some of the plans for after the fourth season:

- We plan to release a new relative ELO ranking system which will resolve the problems of current absolute ranking system such as stacking, poor representation of players skill, etc.
- Seasons will probably be abolished i.e. stats will not be deleted every two months.
- Working FF command will also be available. You will be able to forfeit the game after 20 minutes or so if everyone from your team agrees by using !ff, this will prevent unnecessary prolongations of the games where one team is obviously winning.
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: dudicc on June 27, 2010, 19:11
hmm i think now is 4th season and wich years ? 2011 ? may was passed
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: Djerfi on June 27, 2010, 21:12
hmm i think now is 4th season and wich years ? 2011 ? may was passed

Fourth (4) DotA season started at 23:55 hours EuroBattle server time on May 23rd and will last for about two months.

Some of the plans for after the fourth season:

- We plan to release a new relative ELO ranking system which will resolve the problems of current absolute ranking system such as stacking, poor representation of players skill, etc.
- Seasons will probably be abolished i.e. stats will not be deleted every two months.
- Working FF command will also be available. You will be able to forfeit the game after 20 minutes or so if everyone from your team agrees by using !ff, this will prevent unnecessary prolongations of the games where one team is obviously winning.

I will not write it down again, because everything is explained. Some people are less smart than others, and need to read it a few more times to understand it.
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: dudicc on June 27, 2010, 23:32
hmm i didnt read all  :S i just read that "Fourth (4) DotA season started at 23:55 hours EuroBattle server time on May 23rd" nothing more cause i thought its not important :S
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: ArizaelCZ on June 27, 2010, 23:49
Everything what myubernick says it's important :P even when he flames you!
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: dudicc on June 27, 2010, 23:54
y but i only wanted to know when the new season start .. and when i saw that  when start i immediately went to another topic
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: ArizaelCZ on June 28, 2010, 14:39
simply read the annoucments. whole wall of text not just topic name
Title: Re: !stop commnad suggestion!
Post by: x[]o^GossipGirl on July 04, 2010, 02:12
Yea sure , just implement more typing stuff. Im sure that there is still ppl who dont know how to spoofcheck. With this command the game would took about 20 min to start so i think not, too bad there are still idiots who dont know english but play dota

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