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Title: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: ssi_bal on September 01, 2011, 14:57
I ve been votekicked cause i quote " I m idiot" from a guy who muted me cause i took a kill releasing spray with pig ( passive one). They were 3 friends and started a votekick vs me in order I don t get psr. Ofc other team like dumb sheeps say yes, and here I m out.

Here a link of the game http://playdota.eu/stats/game/2370811/arpdeupro-1650 (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/2370811/arpdeupro-1650)

Just wanted to know what I can do ( like a ban request maybe)

Thx
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: NijeHtelo on September 01, 2011, 15:02
well if they want to kick you there's nothing u can do about it  8)
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: End on September 01, 2011, 15:07
It's lame sometimes, but nothing we can do about it :/
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: ssi_bal on September 01, 2011, 15:08
Well I  m waiting for admin answer thx anyway. I don t think it s fair votekicking someone for  reason like being mad for a kill, acting like an angry kid, being moron.

As far as i Know, Votekick main purpose is to kick people who ruins the game
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: Astaroth on September 01, 2011, 15:28
Yes but it is VOTE so it is hard to abuse that. If most players want to kick you, you can't do anything.
It is not fair but who you want to get ban? All players who voted? It is non-sence, voting is democratic, you can vote but you don't have to so no ban.
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: totally_screwd on September 01, 2011, 16:52
Well I  m waiting for admin answer thx anyway. I don t think it s fair votekicking someone for  reason like being mad for a kill, acting like an angry kid, being moron.

As far as i Know, Votekick main purpose is to kick people who ruins the game


There is no punishment for votekicking,users can votekick for any reason they pick

It seems unfair but there is nothing you can do about it
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: ssi_bal on September 01, 2011, 17:41
Ok thx Totally

It seems I ll have more fun dealing with the tons of morons fullfilled in Pd eu !

Can t wait ^^

It can be locked
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: abloodywar on September 01, 2011, 17:59
As far as i Know, Votekick main purpose is to kick people who ruins the game
Except in these cases the team that's benefiting from it never votes.
Votekick is broken.
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: Sauzer on September 01, 2011, 19:00
Once (months ago but cant forget) I have been kicked having medusa with mojlnir, 1 lighting (from mojlnir) last hitted an hero and my team (4 friends) told me "u ks" and kicked me out looooool

So votekick can fail ofc
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: NeKRUmancer on September 01, 2011, 19:25
49:27 [AshS]Nistor2 (Allies) !votekick bal
49:39 PocikX (All) why
49:43 PocikX (All) is over
49:45 [AshS]Nistor2 (All) because hes retarded
49:51 [AshS]Nistor2 (All) dont let him get prs

gj ash u suck

ssi_bal is not my friend but this is wrong
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: Domagoj on September 01, 2011, 19:45
Really, as lame as it gets. Why wouldnt these guys be banned? I mean I know that this is not bannable, but there is also a rule saying that bans are subject to the admin's opinion, so why not make an exception for these retards..
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: ssi_bal on September 01, 2011, 20:05
If I was as mean as them, I could ban request Ash nistor2 for multi account maybe ^^

But I m pacific guy... until the day where my wrath will storm out some lamers noob
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: Natura Sonoris on September 01, 2011, 20:24
Btw none can mute you ingame ,besides admins
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: night_must_fall on September 02, 2011, 11:59
Really, as lame as it gets. Why wouldnt these guys be banned? I mean I know that this is not bannable, but there is also a rule saying that bans are subject to the admin's opinion, so why not make an exception for these retards..

Even though totally said it is not bananable , i would personally at least think about it and discuss it internally  , so if u really are eager to get them banned we can at least think about it.
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: NijeHtelo on September 02, 2011, 12:15
i dont think they will bring that if all 4 in team vote and other players vote they all get ban? or maybe u should only ban the one that started that vote with no reason  8)
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: ssi_bal on September 02, 2011, 12:24
I don t think a ban would be appropriate. It is just a stupid behaviour. Furthermore the question : who have to to be banned is hard to solve. You can t ban other team cause they  approuved the votekick thinking great versus 4 we ll maybe have a chance.
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: Rocka on September 02, 2011, 12:56
49:27 [AshS]Nistor2 (Allies) !votekick bal
49:39 PocikX (All) why
49:43 PocikX (All) is over
49:45 [AshS]Nistor2 (All) because hes retarded
49:51 [AshS]Nistor2 (All) dont let him get prs
Ok, this seriously seems like ban material to me.
I know votekick is a vote and there isnt much we can do about it but personally I would ban this nistor for this kind of behavior. This is just wrong and very retarded
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: totally_screwd on September 02, 2011, 13:32
If I search hard enough I think I can find an example where I made others votekick a guy

but it was not about ks or anything,the guy was just farming and he did not join any team fights and when we called him to push he flamed and I got angry cause he was winning because of us but he was too noobish to understand it.
After votekick we took his items and finished the game

about this case it is totally unfair I agree,they had no logical reasons to votekick him but think about the details about the ban.

Are we going to ban users on other side too just because they voted !yes?
Are we only going to ban the guy who provokes and starts this?
Is voting something can be abused?

I am against banning for votekick situations but like night_must_fall said staff members can discuss this if majority requires it
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: Domagoj on September 02, 2011, 14:53
Well yeah, of course there are problems with banning someone for a vote, especially implementing that into the system. When you think about it, its not the system, its the players that are too easily manipulated and unfair.. And this is a good example.. This kick wouldnt even bring anything to the opposite team since it was already game over, and still they decided to do it.. Lame
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: dRagoLjuB on September 02, 2011, 17:56
imo votekick --> no psr lose

about dc , if someone dcing and gets votekicked -0 psr --> if someone reports him for plug mod banns him and adds - psr , of that should be coded :s
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: Alucardo on September 02, 2011, 18:18
imo votekick --> no psr lose

about dc , if someone dcing and gets votekicked -0 psr --> if someone reports him for plug mod banns him and adds - psr , of that should be coded :s
ppl will plug this way
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: dRagoLjuB on September 02, 2011, 18:21
they alrdy do , bcs no one wants to wait
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: NijeHtelo on September 02, 2011, 18:25
FOR THE HORDE  ;D
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: night_must_fall on September 02, 2011, 20:15
This  is not so common, as far as i know these kind of things are not happening so often, smn correct me if im wrong and it is really an interesting case.
Regarding the implementation of a new rule , there is no need for that , it is an isolated case.
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: theMastermind on September 02, 2011, 20:39
imo votekick --> no psr lose

about dc , if someone dcing and gets votekicked -0 psr --> if someone reports him for plug mod banns him and adds - psr , of that should be coded :s

Yea, definitely, mods aren't too busy so put a couple more requests in the ban section ;D

Now seriously, it's good the way it is, I don't need plugger in every game just so when he is losing, goes dc and has no -psr... For the situations like the one from OP, that should be bannable IMO, just because of the reason, it's really lame... Not as a rule, but as an exception :D
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: kingW3 on September 02, 2011, 23:31
No need to.Player [pusackanoga : eurobattle] was autobanned for [30 days] on [01-09-2011 17:09:17]. Ban expires in [28 days 17 hours]. Player [spartanac : eurobattle] was autobanned for [30 days] on [01-09-2011 17:09:11]. Ban expires in [28 days 17 hours].Player [...smrdis... : eurobattle] was autobanned for [4 days] on [02-09-2011 12:07:45]. Ban expires in [3 days 12 hours].They all allrdy banned(not for same reason but they got what they deserved)
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: dumbass_3 on September 03, 2011, 17:04
A similar thing happened to me once, the worst thing was that most of the votes were by the ENEMY team. I had by far the best score in my team, by the way.

Why the enemy team gets to vote whether or not you should be kicked is beyond me, it just leaves more opportunity for abuse.

Another problem I've been encountering lately is gproxy abuse - players with "good stats" keep lagging for about 3 minutes and then reconnect, they continue doing so untill they get votekicked and therefore avoid ban and losing stats.

IMO the reconnect time should be lowered and there should be a total reconnect time limit.
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: Astaroth on September 03, 2011, 19:49
imo votekick --> no psr lose
That is bullshit. Example:
You'll fail, you'll feed or you'll just ruin game somehow-->you will get votekicked and loose 0 psr. Because you've did that your team will loose and they all will loose some psr. Just because of you. It seems to me quite unfair...
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: dRagoLjuB on September 03, 2011, 20:17
but what if you win and your mates kicked you bcs you ks-ed only one kil :d ?
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: Astaroth on September 04, 2011, 00:01
but what if you win and your mates kicked you bcs you ks-ed only one kil :d ?
You will get kicked for ruining more often than for one "mistake".
Title: Re: Need answers about votekick abuse
Post by: ^omYota on September 04, 2011, 16:13
Maybe i am very lucky but i never seen or heard of a pointless votekick that succeded ...

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Another problem I've been encountering lately is gproxy abuse - players with "good stats" keep lagging for about 3 minutes and then reconnect, they continue doing so untill they get votekicked and therefore avoid ban and losing stats.

IMO the reconnect time should be lowered and there should be a total reconnect time limit.
Been there ... kick and report them , or ..like i did in some cases : ask for owner and sync min and max untill the nab drops (works)


LE : let's imagine that a pointless votekick succed -> who will you report ? what reason ?
I think PD can't ban players for their attitude ...they can't ban people for beeing "bad" ...it's not PD job to educate his players and/or give awards for how nice or neat someone is.