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Title: Bristleback build?
Post by: Novak.Djokovic on July 12, 2011, 11:34
(http://www.wowpedia.org/images/thumb/1/19/Bristleback_Hunter.jpg/200px-Bristleback_Hunter.jpg)

I want your oppinion. Anybody has any suggestions? For early/mid game build..
I've searched in pd.com but there are only late items and they suggest this:

(http://www.playdota.com/img/items/8/icon.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/items/69/icon.jpg)
(http://www.playdota.com/img/items/108/icon.jpg)(http://www.playdota.com/img/items/113/icon.JPG)
(http://www.playdota.com/img/items/114/icon.jpg)(http://www.playdota.com/img/items/92/icon.jpg)

Ok, i agree for (http://www.playdota.com/img/items/8/icon.jpg) and (http://www.playdota.com/img/items/114/icon.jpg) , but why does Bristleback needs (http://www.playdota.com/img/items/108/icon.jpg)? They should focus him, so Carry could make some kills..right?
Thats for late game, I want suggetsions for EARLY/MID game
I want tank build.

I never saw people buy (http://www.dotastrategy.com/images/item/phaseboots-jecl.jpg), and also its rare to see (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tis3EB_O2T4/TGP7xiVEc_I/AAAAAAAAATw/WsUbposkc9Y/s320/Sange+and+Yasha.jpg)...
 
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: Rocka on July 12, 2011, 11:51
I always go vangaurd, hood of defiance treads and bm.
If you are still getting gold i'd just go for surviving which means hot
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: Alucardo on July 12, 2011, 12:05
last time with bristle i pretty got good score with these items ..

treads , vangaurd , vlad , cuirass , s^Y, idk :D

sometimes mb i would buy hood or pipe depond on my enemies
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: Novak.Djokovic on July 12, 2011, 12:53
But I mean early/mid game build if you noticed
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: Alucardo on July 12, 2011, 13:06
But I mean early/mid game build if you noticed

i was putting the items by order .. i meant treads then vangaurd then vlad etc ..
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: REMEiG on July 12, 2011, 13:44
But I mean early/mid game build if you noticed

i was putting the items by order .. i meant treads then vangaurd then vlad etc ..

For what u need vlad? Treads-->Hood-->Radiance-->Blade Mail-->Heart-->Assault..
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: Alucardo on July 12, 2011, 13:48
But I mean early/mid game build if you noticed

i was putting the items by order .. i meant treads then vangaurd then vlad etc ..

For what u need vlad? Treads-->Hood-->Radiance-->Blade Mail-->Heart-->Assault..
i dont have a problem with ur items and mb they r better but in that game that i bought vlad in it .. most of our heroes were melee heroes so i wanted to have vlad for life steal +armor + mana reg

i personally buy different items on bristle deponding on the heroes
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: REMEiG on July 12, 2011, 15:17
But I mean early/mid game build if you noticed

i was putting the items by order .. i meant treads then vangaurd then vlad etc ..

For what u need vlad? Treads-->Hood-->Radiance-->Blade Mail-->Heart-->Assault..
i dont have a problem with ur items and mb they r better but in that game that i bought vlad in it .. most of our heroes were melee heroes so i wanted to have vlad for life steal +armor + mana reg

But if you played with meele heroes (magina, riki, bounty etc..) 1 of them must buy vlads.. Bristle just waste money for it..

Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: Alucardo on July 12, 2011, 15:32
http://playdota.eu/stats/game/1975572/apodeu1-fast-3 (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/1975572/apodeu1-fast-3)

finally i found a game that i played bristle in it .. as u can c i was playing with void and tiny and phantom and clock .. non of them would actually consider buying vlad there .. the only carry that actually must buy vlad is magina .. bounty mb .. but riki ofc not and melee heroes could be tanks too

anyway everyone has his own set and his own playstyle
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: REMEiG on July 12, 2011, 15:38
In that game pl or clock had to buy vlad.. but they didnt.. it is nice of you to make for them  :)
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: joyjoy on July 12, 2011, 15:38
pipe from hood very good on him if nukers on enemy side, vanguard good and BKB is imo good he doesnt have any stun just slow so it protects him while chasing, and it gives you great str and dmg, its not waste ;)
vlad imo no on him any other melee is better bearer, and radi nice if you farmed well, but dont rush it it kills you you got not much HP for tank and imo hes not tank in classic way at all, hes rather chaser and DPSer so start with magic wand, braser and vanguard then BKB and then radi or another stuff, he can farm  thx spray ;) and ganks cause he got good slow
my view on him
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: SomethingMAD on July 12, 2011, 15:42
pipe from hood very good on him if nukers on enemy side, vanguard good and BKB is imo good he doesnt have any stun just slow so it protects him while chasing, and it gives you great str and dmg, its not waste ;)
vlad imo no on him any other melee is better bearer, and radi nice if you farmed well, but dont rush it it kills you you got not much HP for tank and imo hes not tank in classic way at all, hes rather chaser and DPSer so start with magic wand, braser and vanguard then BKB and then radi or another stuff, he can farm  thx spray ;) and ganks cause he got good slow
my view on him

great ;)
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: Alucardo on July 12, 2011, 15:42
pipe from hood very good on him if nukers on enemy side, vanguard good and BKB is imo good he doesnt have any stun just slow so it protects him while chasing, and it gives you great str and dmg, its not waste ;)
vlad imo no on him any other melee is better bearer, and radi nice if you farmed well, but dont rush it it kills you you got not much HP for tank and imo hes not tank in classic way at all, hes rather chaser and DPSer so start with magic wand, braser and vanguard then BKB and then radi or another stuff, he can farm  thx spray ;) and ganks cause he got good slow
my view on him
i have the same view but i usually make a tanker build of him .. reason is so simple

mode is ap or sd for example .. then someone choose pudge and other mirana and other never and rubick they all scream Hey we need tank or im mid bla bla .. so i cant actually make radiance b/c i have to make tank items for my retarded team (that doesnt always happen but sometimes :))
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: joyjoy on July 12, 2011, 15:54
theres always problem with definition tank
the right definition if tank is that tank has to gave abilities that annoying enemies and they need to choose focus on him to not affects battle or carry that win battles his real goal is attention, this is regular tank statement in every game so in dota centaur isnt real tank, tank doesnt have to have high HP just skill that are annoying, centaur is the last target and everyone is afraid to attack him cause of HP and aura and stun,real tank is necrolyte cause of AoE nuke healing and dmging and AoE aura that drain % life its very hard to ignore so enemies have to decide attack him or any other hero that is dangerous, in that way its tank alchimist too, nuke AoE mist that is crucial to them, so every hero that got very high impact on battle is tank that pushes enemies to choose, so no centaur you avoid him not attack him, but every radi bearer is tank if fact, so bristle is half tank he needs HP but he can do dmg wih spray and bristle and radi if got it
so its my post about tanks ;)
what do you think
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: Novak.Djokovic on July 12, 2011, 16:14
theres always problem with definition tank
the right definition if tank is that tank has to gave abilities that annoying enemies and they need to choose focus on him to not affects battle or carry that win battles his real goal is attention, this is regular tank statement in every game so in dota centaur isnt real tank, tank doesnt have to have high HP just skill that are annoying, centaur is the last target and everyone is afraid to attack him cause of HP and aura and stun,real tank is necrolyte cause of AoE nuke healing and dmging and AoE aura that drain % life its very hard to ignore so enemies have to decide attack him or any other hero that is dangerous, in that way its tank alchimist too, nuke AoE mist that is crucial to them, so every hero that got very high impact on battle is tank that pushes enemies to choose, so no centaur you avoid him not attack him, but every radi bearer is tank if fact, so bristle is half tank he needs HP but he can do dmg wih spray and bristle and radi if got it
so its my post about tanks ;)
what do you think
anyway, tread is about BRISTLEBACK BUILD.
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: Alucardo on July 12, 2011, 16:59
theres always problem with definition tank
the right definition if tank is that tank has to gave abilities that annoying enemies and they need to choose focus on him to not affects battle or carry that win battles his real goal is attention, this is regular tank statement in every game so in dota centaur isnt real tank, tank doesnt have to have high HP just skill that are annoying, centaur is the last target and everyone is afraid to attack him cause of HP and aura and stun,real tank is necrolyte cause of AoE nuke healing and dmging and AoE aura that drain % life its very hard to ignore so enemies have to decide attack him or any other hero that is dangerous, in that way its tank alchimist too, nuke AoE mist that is crucial to them, so every hero that got very high impact on battle is tank that pushes enemies to choose, so no centaur you avoid him not attack him, but every radi bearer is tank if fact, so bristle is half tank he needs HP but he can do dmg wih spray and bristle and radi if got it
so its my post about tanks ;)
what do you think
this is the right definition of tank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank)

:D

Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: SomethingMAD on July 12, 2011, 17:26
theres always problem with definition tank
the right definition if tank is that tank has to gave abilities that annoying enemies and they need to choose focus on him to not affects battle or carry that win battles his real goal is attention, this is regular tank statement in every game so in dota centaur isnt real tank, tank doesnt have to have high HP just skill that are annoying, centaur is the last target and everyone is afraid to attack him cause of HP and aura and stun,real tank is necrolyte cause of AoE nuke healing and dmging and AoE aura that drain % life its very hard to ignore so enemies have to decide attack him or any other hero that is dangerous, in that way its tank alchimist too, nuke AoE mist that is crucial to them, so every hero that got very high impact on battle is tank that pushes enemies to choose, so no centaur you avoid him not attack him, but every radi bearer is tank if fact, so bristle is half tank he needs HP but he can do dmg wih spray and bristle and radi if got it
so its my post about tanks ;)
what do you think
this is the right definition of tank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank)

:D
HAHAHAH gg :)
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: Sauzer on July 12, 2011, 17:48
http://playdota.eu/stats/game/1975572/apodeu1-fast-3 (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/1975572/apodeu1-fast-3)

finally i found a game that i played bristle in it .. as u can c i was playing with void and tiny and phantom and clock .. non of them would actually consider buying vlad there .. the only carry that actually must buy vlad is magina .. bounty mb .. but riki ofc not and melee heroes could be tanks too

anyway everyone has his own set and his own playstyle

It that game scourge were so noob & feeders that you could have this build:

arcane boots , euls, ethereal
theres always problem with definition tank
the right definition if tank is that tank has to gave abilities that annoying enemies and they need to choose focus on him to not affects battle or carry that win battles his real goal is attention, this is regular tank statement in every game so in dota centaur isnt real tank, tank doesnt have to have high HP just skill that are annoying, centaur is the last target and everyone is afraid to attack him cause of HP and aura and stun,real tank is necrolyte cause of AoE nuke healing and dmging and AoE aura that drain % life its very hard to ignore so enemies have to decide attack him or any other hero that is dangerous, in that way its tank alchimist too, nuke AoE mist that is crucial to them, so every hero that got very high impact on battle is tank that pushes enemies to choose, so no centaur you avoid him not attack him, but every radi bearer is tank if fact, so bristle is half tank he needs HP but he can do dmg wih spray and bristle and radi if got it
so its my post about tanks ;)
what do you think

I agree when you say that necro is a better tank than cent but a tank must take dmg, that is his role. His abilities r just to take dmg (also medusa is a good tank) and I dont agree what you say about radiance...necro can take dmg (damage reduction, aura, heal) cent same.

Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: Novak.Djokovic on July 12, 2011, 17:54
ok guys, cut the crap.
tenk is tank, best tank axe blablabla

stay ontopic.

BRISTLEBACK BUILD!
EARLY/MID GAME
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on July 12, 2011, 23:14
basil stick boots vg pt some magic resistance and if u are main carry radiance . If u are not bm.
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: SomethingMAD on July 13, 2011, 03:54
basil stick boots vg pt some magic resistance and if u are main carry radiance . If u are not bm.
That's nice rly :)
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: End on July 13, 2011, 11:29
I can't remember when I played bristle last time... Long, long time ago, but he is imba indeed.
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: SaintKnight on August 04, 2011, 14:56
You need the BKB so you don't get disabled, but it's a situational item. For example if the opposite team has lion earthshaker rhasta, BKB is a MUST.
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: Natura Sonoris on August 06, 2011, 00:53
Hod vs nuker or Vangard vs carries but imo Hod is better option ,so much high regen + his great ms while he is chased he can regen himself fast so it would take so much time to get him.

Also radiance is MUST for him , for chasing enemy ,slow + radi + his Ms you cant survive if you dont have team mates around or lothar.

Hot is like power-up for Hod ,it gives more regen while out of combat so piggy cant be slaughtered easily.
And pipe is mu as well. Many pipes saved games with  70,80 % chanse of lossing ,in team fight pipe is best item if casted in right time.

Bkb can be good ,extra str but only usable when escapng,i bet many people wont target you.

Mlonjir i good as well if you play as carry (just in case you overfed and farmed in early game) ,also i saw deso + assault.

The are many builds for him. One of best late gamers semi -carries like abbadon.
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: bemus_ on August 06, 2011, 01:19
Hod vs nuker or Vangard vs carries but imo Hod is better option ,so much high regen + his great ms while he is chased he can regen himself fast so it would take so much time to get him.

Also radiance is MUST for him , for chasing enemy ,slow + radi + his Ms you cant survive if you dont have team mates around or lothar.

Hot is like power-up for Hod ,it gives more regen while out of combat so piggy cant be slaughtered easily.
And pipe is mu as well. Many pipes saved games with  70,80 % chanse of lossing ,in team fight pipe is best item if casted in right time.

Bkb can be good ,extra str but only usable when escapng,i bet many people wont target you.

Mlonjir i good as well if you play as carry (just in case you overfed and farmed in early game) ,also i saw deso + assault.

The are many builds for him. One of best late gamers semi -carries like abbadon.

That's good build :D I would just add blademail if they have a lot of or 1 fed right clicker.
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: joyjoy on August 07, 2011, 11:48
Hod vs nuker or Vangard vs carries but imo Hod is better option ,so much high regen + his great ms while he is chased he can regen himself fast so it would take so much time to get him.

Also radiance is MUST for him , for chasing enemy ,slow + radi + his Ms you cant survive if you dont have team mates around or lothar.

Hot is like power-up for Hod ,it gives more regen while out of combat so piggy cant be slaughtered easily.
And pipe is mu as well. Many pipes saved games with  70,80 % chanse of lossing ,in team fight pipe is best item if casted in right time.

Bkb can be good ,extra str but only usable when escapng,i bet many people wont target you.

Mlonjir i good as well if you play as carry (just in case you overfed and farmed in early game) ,also i saw deso + assault.

The are many builds for him. One of best late gamers semi -carries like abbadon.

thats way i like but hes semi-carry more then abbadon
abbadon is better as some sort of support but very deadly support with hex and aura stuff but its not about him now
agree with HoD against nukers and Vang against click dmgers and HoD is better cause of pipe upgrade sometimes but you want both and its not pubish at all ;)
radi if not better bearer and mjolnir is imba best orb for him no lifesteal 8)
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: Ikenhouer on August 30, 2011, 10:57
this is one of the shitiest heroes in dota. no build for this crap. he deserves to die fast and rage quit. i cant say hes weak or strong(a good tank i must admit)... but he's plain and simple shity.
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: PudelPower on August 30, 2011, 14:43
theres always problem with definition tank
the right definition if tank is that tank has to gave abilities that annoying enemies and they need to choose focus on him to not affects battle or carry that win battles his real goal is attention, this is regular tank statement in every game so in dota centaur isnt real tank, tank doesnt have to have high HP just skill that are annoying, centaur is the last target and everyone is afraid to attack him cause of HP and aura and stun,real tank is necrolyte cause of AoE nuke healing and dmging and AoE aura that drain % life its very hard to ignore so enemies have to decide attack him or any other hero that is dangerous, in that way its tank alchimist too, nuke AoE mist that is crucial to them, so every hero that got very high impact on battle is tank that pushes enemies to choose, so no centaur you avoid him not attack him, but every radi bearer is tank if fact, so bristle is half tank he needs HP but he can do dmg wih spray and bristle and radi if got it
so its my post about tanks ;)
what do you think
this is the right definition of tank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank)

:D
hahahah
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: reactionxxx on September 10, 2011, 14:41
Bristle is not a hero that deals dmg instantly so you must have items that pumps your survavilty up  while he pops spells to get stacks for his ult (=+ dmg output).
If you are doing well get a radiance after your vanguard, if not get straigh to BM. If can farm get HoT if u cant AoM is another possible choice who works well.
But let's say that bm is a core to get your enemy a bit low while poping spells to ge stacks.
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: Natura Sonoris on September 10, 2011, 15:23
Bristle is not a hero that deals dmg instantly so you must have items that pumps your survavilty up  while he pops spells to get stacks for his ult (=+ dmg output).
If you are doing well get a radiance after your vanguard, if not get straigh to BM. If can farm get HoT if u cant AoM is another possible choice who works well.
But let's say that bm is a core to get your enemy a bit low while poping spells to ge stacks.

Sange and Yasha gives you enought o suvive in later mid game. Too much ms and hp (along with dmg) will harass whole team. Get pipe and pig is full tank
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: Leo on September 16, 2011, 11:54
Tank, tank, tank.
Always Phase Boots.
Vanguard is a must. 
Facing nukes or fighters? Then Hood or Ghost staff.
HoT after.
Now when you have enough HP, it's time for some armor. Shiva or/and Assault.

You don't need dps items. The quil is bad enough. The more this hero lives , the more dmg he does. For him, survivability is equal to dmg.
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: AF_Affliction on September 16, 2011, 16:19
Agreed, only exception would be that if you get to farm really well in early game, it's possible to get radi first.
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: Angel on September 17, 2011, 15:27
Well blade mail is cool imo aswell...
Title: Re: Bristleback build?
Post by: mineru on September 26, 2011, 12:38
unless mortred is in the game i wont make blade mail on briste :)

begin items from me are :

magic wand
phase/treads (depends always on how i feel :D )
jango
vanguard
hood

then i dont get to do anything more cus i already win it fast rofl :D
had a lane with weaver and mortred , got double kill twice in 3 mins , and i was solo lane :)