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General Section => General Discussions => Feedback => Topic started by: Astaroth on May 27, 2011, 17:53
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I've read this:
http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,62314.0.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,62314.0.html)
I don't have any problem, I don't think Angel abused his powers.
And there is ban request link:
http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,62313.0.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,62313.0.html)
As you can see, Angel requested ban and because Angel is Mod he banned him.
Shouldn't there be a rule that requestor can't ban rule-breaker himself?
I have nothing against Mods but it can look like abusing powers. I mean Mod who played game with rule-breaker can be angry and may be biased.
Please notice that I'm saying CAN or MAY BE. I don't think they are biased or they are abusing their powers.
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yep clear abuse. own report own ban and imba reason for ban. but heraidssrb so what u expect.
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He did not ban him out of nowhere, he put prooves on that post so that he did not abuse anything.
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yep clear abuse. own report own ban and imba reason for ban. but heraidssrb so what u expect.
It's not abuse, he did the right thing in that ban request.
But still I agree with Astaroth, I think that if mod makes a ban request for someone, he shouldn't solve it by himself. He should wait for other mod and that other mod should solve it, that way there's not gonna be any problems and useless topics.
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Thats what I'm saying. He didn't abused his power but it looks like abusing his power. And than there are angry players who say that Mods sucks here and that they go to Garena etc...
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Thats what I'm saying. He didn't abused his power but it looks like abusing his power. And than there are angry players who say that Mods sucks here and that they go to Garena etc...
When there are prooves, people can think whatever they want. Thoose people complain are mostly rule breakers themselves and when a player asks for decision of another mod about a situation, that topic usually gets reviewed by another mod. (Depends on how obvious the situation is...)
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i read this in fast way.
he wrote br, he approved it. reason 5 sentences for player who played in game with him. i didnt read anything more there were zillion of text. maybe it was there explained or espoused. from my point of view it is abuse.
0. plays game with him
1. own br
2. own approval
3. dont tell me fairy tales
4. some1 another should deny/appr it but it is not important, it wont destroy world.
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i read this in fast way.
he wrote br, he approved it. reason 5 sentences for player who played in game with him. i didnt read anything more there were zillion of text. maybe it was there explained or espoused. from my point of view it is abuse.
0. plays game with him
1. own br
2. own approval
3. dont tell me fairy tales
4. some1 another should deny/appr it but it is not important, it wont destroy world.
If you believe there is an abuse in any ban&unban you can always pm a head b&u moderator about the situation;
mrNiceguy (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1639), Nv.Thug (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6519)
It will be reviewed and the required action will be taken by them.
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Ofc you can ask another Mod to check the ban and everything around it.
I just think that 3rd person should judge the ban request like in real life.
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Lol, he shouldn't have even posted that. He should've just banned him! This is just helping the banned player to see the information on his ban, nothing else. Ridiculous suggestion.
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Lol, he shouldn't have even posted that. He should've just banned him! This is just helping the banned player to see the information on his ban, nothing else. Ridiculous suggestion.
totally agree with you - permaban right? go slap your face pls. he was emocionally involved so that's the reason for so called abuse. if he just pm to friend b/u mod like ban this player for 5 days it wouldnt be this story. he was pissed and lazy so he abused his power. that's all. period.
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Ofc you can ask another Mod to check the ban and everything around it.
I just think that 3rd person should judge the ban request like in real life.
There is a rule that Mod who was in the game should take a look on the request from that game. Because Mod who has played that game would know the best if that person should be banned or not.
I don't see what's the difference if someone else posted this request who played with us instead of me... I'm a person as everyone else. I'll repeat myself again, everything i'm doing as a mod is by rules.
And for Astaroth, at least some nice and usefull thread about this matter. People always make threads to yellow and never look things on a realistic way.
Best regards
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We must all write this on our signatures or what?
If you have any complaints on b&u moderator's work, report that to Head b&u moderator or b&u admin.
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Ofc you can ask another Mod to check the ban and everything around it.
I just think that 3rd person should judge the ban request like in real life.
I'll repeat myself again, everything i'm doing as a mod is by rules.
Best regards
your problem is that u muted him for 10 minutes instead of ignore him and u wrote "posle imas ban za flame" and u unmuted him u continued with talking with him and playing. so i stand what i said u were emocionally involved. i am pretty sure that if u would win that game u wouldnt ban him. w/e i dont blame you it is just game.
to djerfi stay on topic. no1 has problem with anybody. people learn from their mistakes better sooner than later.
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There is a rule that Mod who was in the game should take a look on the request from that game. Because Mod who has played that game would know the best if that person should be banned or not.
Agree, but it looks like you can do everything you want. It looks like you can ban him just because he called you retard or idiot few times (and that is not against rules) and you are angry to him. But in this case you have proved his break of rules.
To give exaple from real life:
You can go to police and tell them that your neighbor is stealing your garden stuff (shovels, rake...). But that is all you can do, you can't arrest him, judge him and send him to prison (I know no1 can be send to prison for stealing a shovel, just example).
But I see you have proved his breaking of rules. Personally I don't have problem with this but as you can see some people do have , they think you are "emotionally involved".
I'm just saying that 3rd person should check the request. Than it will not look like abusing your powers.
Imo Mods are doing great job, I often check ban/unban request and I often agree with results. I'm saying "often" because if some1 is reported for flame I can't agree/disagree with result because they often flame in other language than English.
But can some1 explain me this:
http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,62405.0.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,62405.0.html)
Ban because of nickname?
Player [isus_krist : eurobattle] was perma banned by [night_must_fall]. Ban was issued on [22-05-2011 16:07:09].
Game link: None
Request link: None
Ban description: After several complaints about this nickname
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No need for someone i will explain it since i banned him.
I had several complaints about this nickname , which u presume can offend someone on the religious basis.
Now religion is not something which should be used for those purposes.
I wont get into how religious someone is , and if this nickname offends u or not, the point is it can be "interpreted" as offensive, and i think by now u get way. Personally i would be terrified if ingame a message like Isus ... has been killed by night_must_fall . Thats it.
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yea you tell them ;D
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to: Astaroth
yep agree - but still thinking what i thinking. i agree with that good work too. its easy to blame when is chance but no1 wont write good work if everything running well. but its common and mods must have be ready for it.
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I was thinking about that ban of Isus_Krist. I don't think that nick is offensive (as nick, for example, "U_R_DickHead") but I realise that some1 can have problems when playing with Jesus Christ - Isus Krist was pwned by XXXXXX.....
I don't have problems with it but I see that some1 else can. Some name should be forbidden.
I really appreciate that night_must_fall explained that to me. I know many people who would just say "f**k off".
Back to topic:
I still think that if some1 else solve the request made by Mod that would be better, than no1 can say anything about abusing powers. It just may look like abusing powers, thats all. I see request, I see evidence, I see result. Everything is OK imo.
To end this: If you are banned, don't go mad and don't say you don't deserve that ban. Check the request and evidence and if you don't agree with result, send PM to other Mod/Head Admin or so.
And I would like to say Thank You to all Mod and Admins here for their job.
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Lol, he shouldn't have even posted that. He should've just banned him! This is just helping the banned player to see the information on his ban, nothing else. Ridiculous suggestion.
Wanted to say same thing, but I will just say +1.
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Lol, he shouldn't have even posted that. He should've just banned him! This is just helping the banned player to see the information on his ban, nothing else. Ridiculous suggestion.
Wanted to say same thing, but I will just say +1.
I think banned player should has information about his ban.
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This is just helping the banned player to see the information on his ban, nothing else. Ridiculous suggestion.
he gave u answer, read it again, angel has gave him information, once again I will repeat he could just ban him without request and only post link of the game.
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Its not abuse -.-
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this is why I always tell my mods - if you ban someone, keep the proofs, but do not post public until required :)