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Strategy Discussion Section => Strategy => Topic started by: Astaroth on May 14, 2011, 11:59
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Hello,
as I played with new Terrorblade (6.72) other players told me to buy different items.
Usually I get some starting items, one of them is Stout Shield. On bottom/top lane I quickly get Quelling Blade and 2x Slippers of Agility to make Poor man's shield. Than I go for Power Treads and set them to add me str. But now every player tells me to buy different items. Normally I get S&Y and than dmg item(Crystalys-->Buriza). Some players tells me to buy Radiance because I have great MS (Yasha) and slow (Reflection). Other tell me to get Yasha and upgrade it to Manta and than get Diffusal Blade. Some one also told me I should get Vanguard because of extra HP and +6HP regen that can be great with my Zeal (+5HP regen).
What is your opinion?
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Hello,
as I played with new Terrorblade (6.72) other players told me to buy different items.
Usually I get some starting items, one of them is Stout Shield. On bottom/top lane I quickly get Quelling Blade and 2x Slippers of Agility to make Poor man's shield. Than I go for Power Treads and set them to add me str. But now every player tells me to buy different items. Normally I get S&Y and than dmg item(Crystalys-->Buriza). Some players tells me to buy Radiance because I have great MS (Yasha) and slow (Reflection). Other tell me to get Yasha and upgrade it to Manta and than get Diffusal Blade. Some one also told me I should get Vanguard because of extra HP and +6HP regen that can be great with my Zeal (+5HP regen).
What is your opinion?
IMO none of them are right. xD
PMS is good on him early as is quelling blade. Radiance is the Farmer build or a Pusher build, as it will help u in pushing / farming other items greatly. Diffusal is a NO, as feedback orb doesnt work on range illusions. The Orb of choice is Skadi which is actually core IMO. Dunno bout lifesteal but it might work well even early with ur superior AS. Vangard? Survivabilty item, PMS adds damage block, you have HP regen and you will get the HP from skadi. Vang will just make u get ur cores later, but its a good item, so its optinal. Buriza is a lategame choice, not until you get some nice DPS items. Butterfly>Buriza on this guy. Manta is a great item if you're not going the SnY way (and i dont see why would you prefer SnY over Manta). Linkens is a decent item too. And maybe HoT as a very last item to make both you and your illusions waaay beefier. My item build here is:
Power Treads
Manta Style
Radiance
Eye of Skadi
Wraith Band
Wraith Band
Ofcourse it is a full item build, with this new TB i usually finish without Skadi... About the skill build:
Pushing build (Mid-game victory):
1 - Zeal
2 - Meta
3 - Zeal
4 - Meta
5 - Zeal
6 - Sunder
7 - Zeal
8 - Meta
9 - Meta
Then max out the slow thingy... you will literally rape towers, and be sure to have PT/Wraiths with you going this way...
Ganking build
1 - Zeal
2 - Reflection
3 - Zeal
4 - Meta
5 - Zeal
6 - Sunder
7 - Zeal
8 - Reflection
9 - Reflection
10 - Reflection
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Well... last time I played terror like in 85% of games so here how I do it:
items that u should do on terror:
-threads on agi
-s&y
-skadi
-buriza
-mkb
last item depends on agaisnat who u play... manta is funny and good item tho... 5 terrors running around with alot of dmg is kinda deadly...
on early game get blade, some tangos and slippers and try to make poor man shield.. after that make threads and begin making s&y.
Ps. Screw life steal.. because 2 reasons...
-very hard to find real terorr f you are inside of battle
-you have ulti to get hp.
ps2. what u do if u cant target enemie to swap hp? simply swap hp from ur illusion - it always works and its fukken awsome :P
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To skill build: I do that "Pushing build" posted above, sometimes i get Reflection on lvl 7.
Manta is imba for Terror. As you said 5 Terrors are deadly. Ilusions form Meta do 20% dmg and from Manta 33% so critical can be useful... I wish i have gold for all this....
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Radiance on terror is stupid imo...
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Radiance on terror is stupid imo...
you'r wrong
In that new terrorblade
Its fucking imba with s&y
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with new skills are some items available now its just about time which shows what will be best every new hero or remake start big argue about skill and item builds and if you opinion told with good reasons why its good why dont use it
and no hero dont have stable skill and item build always is a need to accommodation
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1-2-3-2-2-4-2-3-3-3
manta + skadi + buriza/mkb/bfly and finish game.
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To all of you stating SnY is a core, SnY ownage on TB etc... I challenge you to give your reasons for it as an asnwer to my post. Just because they both got rmked/buffed in the same version doesnt mean theyre ment for each other.
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s&y = speed+hp+slow effect thats aint orb anymore. For such money u wont find better item... and u can get it part by part which is very useful. With the sny slow+terror skill+orb of venom(later skadi) u have greater slow effect that makes ur enemie almost stay and watch you killing them.
Terror is a hero that is some kind of semi carry... if you feed him well with few dmg and speed its unstoppable.
And if your teammates are knowing theyr work u will finish game with only 2 core items.
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with no more orb effect on SaY its very good item for many heroes now and still have other orb effect. at old TB I didnt made it I played classic hard carry with 3 wraith band and with skill and farm you made skadi in 25-30 min and then manta etc now with different skills its very good and always orb available :)
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To all of you stating SnY is a core, SnY ownage on TB etc... I challenge you to give your reasons for it as an asnwer to my post. Just because they both got rmked/buffed in the same version doesnt mean theyre ment for each other.
playing TB is so situational. Your core is manta. Than u can make s&y, skadi, bfly. It depends who are u playing against. Also depends of yours money situation, how many creeps u got etc. If u stay good with farm make skadi first instead of s&y. Personally, I dont like s&y on TB. I prefer build which i wrote above.
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To all of you stating SnY is a core, SnY ownage on TB etc... I challenge you to give your reasons for it as an asnwer to my post. Just because they both got rmked/buffed in the same version doesnt mean theyre ment for each other.
playing TB is so situational. Your core is manta. Than u can make s&y, skadi, bfly. It depends who are u playing against. Also depends of yours money situation, how many creeps u got etc. If u stay good with farm make skadi first instead of s&y. Personally, I dont like s&y on TB. I prefer build which i wrote above.
I dont agree, the new s^y is just imba, for terror even more. Manta is hard to farm as a first item, if were are talking about decent skill games, on the other hand s^y is made part by part . 3 illusions are just fine imho, with sange u get that much needed slow , while on manta u get extra damage and survivability. But again as u say it is situational really, everything depends of the farm.
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I just love the zeal skill.
I get pt, s&y and skadi, I just love it.
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To all of you stating SnY is a core, SnY ownage on TB etc... I challenge you to give your reasons for it as an asnwer to my post. Just because they both got rmked/buffed in the same version doesnt mean theyre ment for each other.
playing TB is so situational. Your core is manta. Than u can make s&y, skadi, bfly. It depends who are u playing against. Also depends of yours money situation, how many creeps u got etc. If u stay good with farm make skadi first instead of s&y. Personally, I dont like s&y on TB. I prefer build which i wrote above.
I dont agree, the new s^y is just imba, for terror even more. Manta is hard to farm as a first item, if were are talking about decent skill games, on the other hand s^y is made part by part . 3 illusions are just fine imho, with sange u get that much needed slow , while on manta u get extra damage and survivability. But again as u say it is situational really, everything depends of the farm.
I've found some game i played TB. Maybe it's not 1st class material but i farmed manta quite fast.
http://playdota.eu/stats/game/1813739/ap-pdeu-psr-1600-2
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I like S&Y. With Zeal+Yasha you get super AS quite soon. Sange gives you some survivability and because you have great AS you slow enemy quite often. And for me it is easy to get it:
Farming can be easy - you can go last hit everytime because of Zeal. I mean you go last hit so ranged enemy often hit you but with Zeal you get your HP back quickly. You can also go to fight neutrals, with Zeal and Quelling Blade it is easy as well.
And if you are on lane with ranger who has slow or stun(Trax, Windrunner, AA...) you can kill enemys easily, again because of Zeal's bonus AS.
So I always get S&Y quicky because of TB's farming potential that is later even better because of S&Y, then I'm strong enought (I mean I have AS, MS and HP) to get gold for other items.
So I go for S&Y almost everytime.
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agree now is SaY imo core for him easy and fast to build and with this skill set its very strong and as said you got everything you need to get next stuff through kills and farm
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terror blade , difsuall , s,y , boots , [GG]
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manta core, diff waste of money. other than that everything optional imo.
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terror blade , difsuall , s,y , boots , [GG]
diff imo just optional not core, sometimes its handy against some heroes and if not better bearer
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Diffu is way good item for him ,just get agi and slow and you rape for sure.
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maybe if you played bad or you cant farm so its very good option to boost your kill power with it but if everything as should be, with TB skadi is powerful for him
and depends on game its always flexible
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Skady is the best item but this new s&y is a cheaper solution.
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I prefer this build: boots, s&y, finish pt, skadi and if game is not over manta... gg
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I prefer this build: boots, s&y, finish pt, skadi and if game is not over manta... gg
its nice build too
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Skadi is a so overestimated item, especially now. S&y , manta and thats it. I wonder who will farm skadi in a decent game pff
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i play him like this
Treads (STR) - s&y - Manta - Dominator - MKB and its gg
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Manta is so waste of gold in the new terrorblade, he can no longer spawn more then 2 illusions.
If you cast ranged form you get 2 illusions, if you cast manta in that time you lose those illusions and gain 2 more from manta.
Would be way better to go for:
for core items:
2 wrath bands
stout shield
s&y
dominator
power threads
deluxe:
skadi/mkb
buriza
butterfly
Also it depends on the opponents.
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Manta is so waste of gold in the new terrorblade, he can no longer spawn more then 2 illusions.
If you cast ranged form you get 2 illusions, if you cast manta in that time you lose those illusions and gain 2 more from manta.
Thats not true. U dont loose any illusions. You cast ranged, then you cast manta, and whoop - 5 TBs. Tested. Imo, for a ganking TB SnY is cool, but if ur gonna carry the game at lategame Manta > SnY (Use the yasha on manta!). Skadi is cool, Helm also, bfly rocks etc etc etc
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Manta is so waste of gold in the new terrorblade, he can no longer spawn more then 2 illusions.
If you cast ranged form you get 2 illusions, if you cast manta in that time you lose those illusions and gain 2 more from manta.
man if u use 3rd skill u get 2 illusions (and u have 3 terroes)then u use manta u get extra 2 illusions u dont acually lose the other 2 illusions from ur 3rd skill so in total u get 5 terroes
my opinion about terror .. fast manta and finish the game :)
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I dont like getting S&Y + manta because 2 Yashas don't stack.
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I dont like getting S&Y + manta because 2 Yashas don't stack.
i dont make s&y in the first place i much prefer to make desolator +manta for total pwnage :) (i also buy desolator and manta for sniper) i did that in my last game and got 7 1 :) not bad i guess
http://playdota.eu/stats/game/1949569/sd-eu-pro-5 (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/1949569/sd-eu-pro-5)
too bad that game finished so soon :S we had 2 damn pros feeded or i would get more than 15 kills 100% :(
P.S i only think that s&y is for spectre and magina thats my opinion
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I dont like getting S&Y + manta because 2 Yashas don't stack.
i dont make s&y in the first place i much prefer to make destroyer +manta for total pwnage :) (i also buy destroyer and manta for sniper) i did that in my last game and got 7 1 :) not bad i guess
http://playdota.eu/stats/game/1949569/sd-eu-pro-5 (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/1949569/sd-eu-pro-5)
too bad that game finished so soon :S we had 2 damn pros feeded or i would get more than 15 kills 100% :(
Epic fail
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I dont like getting S&Y + manta because 2 Yashas don't stack.
i dont make s&y in the first place i much prefer to make destroyer +manta for total pwnage :) (i also buy destroyer and manta for sniper) i did that in my last game and got 7 1 :) not bad i guess
http://playdota.eu/stats/game/1949569/sd-eu-pro-5 (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/1949569/sd-eu-pro-5)
too bad that game finished so soon :S we had 2 damn pros feeded or i would get more than 15 kills 100% :(
Epic fail
ok mister pro ur diffusal with terror is much more imba xDDD
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Not that ,but its desolator not destroyer xd btw teroor needs slow orb
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when did i say destroyer? xD its desolator u modified my reply for sure ahahaha
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(i also buy destroyer and manta for sniper) i did that in my last game and got 7 1 :)
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ur sure i said that? :P
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You did, but ofc now you edited your post :D
« Last Edit: Today at 11:20 pm by the_justice »
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sange yasha and pt is basicly all what it needs to pwn
later on u can get buterfly/manta/difusal/skadi to boost up ur ilusions
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Not that ,but its desolator not destroyer xd btw teroor needs slow orb
TB's Reflection slows by 35%. If you don't like Skadi you can get Orb of Venom but I don't like this for TB because it has 12% slow from melee and only 4% slow from range hero. I don't need to say you use Metamorphosis more than often. So if you don't like Skadi let some1 from team get another slow.
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TB's Reflection slows by 35%. If you don't like Skadi you can get Orb of Venom but I don't like this for TB because it has 12% slow from melee and only 4% slow from range hero. I don't need to say you use Metamorphosis more than often. So if you don't like Skadi let some1 from team get another slow.
as Sange :D maim no orb and works for both ranges and maim will be more often cause you got fast AS and then orb and skadi if you want to ultimate slow :D
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S&Y, Diffusal = godlike
have fun
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nice
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better someone of urs report to icefrog to balance that shit of hero whos can get 3 dragon knightes!
then come here and ask something for hero!
start from the first primary, and then the details
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srbin terror isnt a shit imba hero if it is just pick him in ap mode and lets c how u will pwn with him ^^
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srbin terror isnt a shit imba hero if it is just pick him in ap mode and lets c how u will pwn with him ^^
;D c = challange?
1v1 challenge is only balanced with -aromshnp - 853 gold
or play -apomnp - 853 gold, took inteligence hero and own any hero
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c=see baka ..
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Best :D
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Poor Man's Shield
Helm of Dominator --> Satanic
Sange and Yasha
2 x Wraith Band
Terrorblade is imba. :)
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Power Treads
Sange And Yasha
Butterfly
Eye Of Skadi
gg no re
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ironwood branch
ironwood branch
ironwood branch
ironwood branch
ironwood branch
ironwood branch(maybe one circlet of nobility)
gg no re
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Power Treads
Sange And Yasha
Butterfly
Eye Of Skadi
gg no re
i agree with items but not always gg no re ............ +1 for that .. at first i thought manta is over s^y 100% i started to change my mind about s^y
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Power Treads
Yasha --> Manta
Eye of skadi
Butterfly
MKB
and Buriza ???
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Power Treads
Yasha --> Manta
Eye of skadi
Butterfly
MKB
and Buriza ???
Only way you can get this if game duration is like 80 minutes :D
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Power Treads
Yasha --> Manta
Eye of skadi
Butterfly
MKB
and Buriza ???
Only way you can get this if game duration is like 80 minutes :D
Power Treads
Yasha --> Manta
Eye of skadi
Butterfly
with this items, he is too immortal :D
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Power Treads
Yasha --> Manta
Eye of skadi
Butterfly
with this items, he is too immortal :D
Yes, almost the same as I said just I rather buy S&Y then manta. :)
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Power Treads
Yasha --> Manta
Eye of skadi
Butterfly
with this items, he is too immortal :D
Yes, almost the same as I said just I rather buy S&Y then manta. :)
Manta is better i think, because have slow with skadi.. :)
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I have played many games with Terror and the best Itembuild is
st.shield
P.Treads
S&Y (after this is a little bit immortal)
MKB
Butter
End of game
Manta is now for him waste of gold.
B.
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Had a game with this few days ago, same build as I said, had 23/2/8
Awesome game. http://playdota.eu/stats/game/2002694/ar-eu-5v5-3 (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/2002694/ar-eu-5v5-3)
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Nice. its a good build, but i prefer manta i said reason :)
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ironwood branch
ironwood branch
ironwood branch
ironwood branch
ironwood branch
ironwood branch(maybe one circlet of nobility)
gg no re
OMG you such a noob, forgot TP scroll....
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PT
Butterfly
Assault Cuirass
Mjollnir / Eye of Skadi
S&Y
WTF with attack speed?! This is unkillable built...
And u all need some lifesteel.... + Vlad
Now, for him, u could bought all the brunches, u would won... Like someone said before...
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Had a game with this few days ago, same build as I said, had 23/2/8
Awesome game. http://playdota.eu/stats/game/2002694/ar-eu-5v5-3 (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/2002694/ar-eu-5v5-3)
pro terror :D
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I always play it with: domi, s i y (non orb anymore ftw) bkb, buriza bla bla, btw u just need s i y and u will finish game like np.
I preffer going down lane, max meta and zeal as much as possible, i take reflection 1 time till 9-10 lvl (try to get some disabler in your team with u) cuz this meta is imba indeed, imba dmg u can kill any1 with just normal hits imo..
Btw, once in some retarded pub game, i bought s i y domi and basher.... I mean, lol imba bashes ... But i dont suggest it for some hardcore games..
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hehe yy with your super uber AS and SnY its enough to slow your target with maim and bash is wasted money :D