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Hello.
I'd like to introduce you to some changes related to our bots and stats system that are going to take place soon. We've been working on the new bots and stats system for a while now, the current bot/stats system has been completely revamped. If you care to test the changes check the post below. The changes on the new bots include:
New ways to create a game
Games are still created by whispering playdota.eu bot (/w playdota.eu !gopub <game name>) in the same way, we only added a few commands.
| !gopub, !pub | creates public ladder DotA game |
| !gopriv, !priv | creates private ladder DotA game |
| !goprivobs, !privobs | creates private ladder DotA game with observers (can't be rehosted to public game) |
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| .dota | creates public custom DotA game (uses ladder DotA map) |
| .dotaobs | creates public custom DotA game with observers (uses ladder DotA map) |
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| .map | loads custom map |
| .gopub, .pub | creates public custom game (map loaded with .map) |
| .gopriv, .priv | creates private custom game (map loaded with .map) |
- Ladder games
Games created with first group of commands from above will be saved into ladder (www.playdota.eu/stats/ladder (http://www.playdota.eu/stats/ladder)) and will affect your ingame stats (!sd).
- Custom DotA games
Games created with .dota/.dotaobs are custom games that use ladder DotA map. The difference between these and other custom games is that DotA stats/events will be parsed from the game, and chatlog and gameinfo stats page will contain data about who killed whom, what hero you played, how much creeps/neutrals/denies you had, etc.
- Custom games
Loading custom maps and hosting custom games remains the same, except that now these games will be saved and visible in the stats website (http://playdota.eu/stats/games/custom (http://playdota.eu/stats/games/custom)). So if you break any global pd.eu rules in custom games like flame/spam you could end up getting a ban.
Custom games and custom DotA games won't be saved into ladder and won't affect your ladder stats (!sd), ladder rules and autoban don't apply in these games.
GProxy
Enabled GProxy++ support.
You can now reconnect into the playdota.eu game after you get disconnected, download GProxy and get more info how to use it here:
http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,55632.0.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,55632.0.html)
Autoban and game scoring
Result of a game can be win/lose or a draw. Team won the game if they destroyed the tree/throne or if opposing team forfeited. Game result is a draw, meaning noone won the game, when vote remake passes or when the game is ruined by leavers.
If the game result is a draw game won't affect your ladder stats.
Game result will be a draw if player leaves before 5 minutes DotA time.
Game result will be a draw if player leaves a 4vs4 match.
After one side of any base has been pushed and destroyed game won't result in a draw, any team is allowed to finish the game even if number of players drops to 5vs3, 4vs3 or lower.
!banlast/!bl command has been removed. Players, including hosts, now get autobanned when they leave the game.
If you leave before the tree/throne has been destroyed you risk getting autobanned.
Player that left will get autobanned if he left 5vs5, 5vs4 or 4vs4 match.
Player will never get autobanned for leaving a match with 5vs3, 4vs3 or lower number of players.
Autoban durations start from 2 to 30 days depending on how many times you left before.
When a player gets autobanned he will receive negative score even if game resulted in a draw or his team won.
You are never required to leave the game.
For example if someone leaves in the first 5 minutes, you can stay in the game and play till the finish (tree/throne destroyed), but the game result will still be a draw because player left so early.
!autoban command can be used at any time of the game to find out whether you will get autobanned if you leave.
Game modes and new rating system
Ladder games can't be hosted with any DotA mode anymore.
Allowed modes are -ap, -ar, -rd, -sd, -cd, -cm, -sp and -em.
Ladder games can't be started without picking a DotA game mode in the lobby. This will eliminate -test/-wtf bot abuse and will enable players to check whether host is really going to host the game mode he advertised in the game name.
Before you use !start to start the game you must first use !mode to set the game mode (ie: !mode rd).
We made a new relative rating system based on ELO, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system)
Current score value has been replaced by PSR which stands for "player skill rating". Every player with no games starts at 1500 PSR, then you lose/gain rating as you lose/win games.
If you are inactive and not playing any ladder games for a while your PSR will start to decay automatically and you will lose position in the ladder.
All game modes except -em will give you the same PSR gain. -em game gives less information about players skill, so PSR gains from -em game are a lot less than non -em game.
The new system takes into account who are you playing with, who are you playing against and whether you won or lost the game.
Example:
You stack your team with pro players in sentinel against noobs in scourge.
If sentinel wins, players from sentinel will get low or no rating increase to their PSR.
If scourge wins, players from scourge will get high rating increase to their PSR.
You can check how it works in more detail online with game simulators below or join a game and test it.
http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/page,game_simulator.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/page,game_simulator.html)
http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/page,game_simulator_em.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/page,game_simulator_em.html)
New commands related to PSR:
| !min <PSR> | kick players with PSR lower than <PSR> |
| !max <PSR> | kick players with PSR greater than <PSR> |
| !balance | balances the lobby slots based on players PSR |
| !rating, !r, !psr [name] | display your PSR, optionally add [name] to display PSR for another player |
| !ratings, !rs | display each team chances to win |
| !rankall, !rateall, !rall | display PSR for all players |
Other bot changes
- Added !forfeit/!ff command:
You can !ff the game after 25 minutes DotA time, this will prevent unnecessary prolongations of the games where one team is obviously winning. Vote from every team member is needed to forfeit the game, so if there's 5 players in the team you need 5 !ff votes to forfeit the game.
After game is forfeited to opposing team game will end and you can leave, opposing team gets a win and your team gets a loss.
- Increased lobby count down time to real 5 seconds, it starts from 10, 9, ..., this should give you enough time to leave the game if you don't want to play.
- !mute command has been removed.
You can now stop spammers/flamers or w/e individually with a set of !ignore commands.
| !ignore <name> | stop receiving chat messages from a player (it tries to do a partial match) |
| !ignorelist | displays a list of players you are ignoring and a list of players ignoring you |
| !unignore <name> | start receiving chat messages from a player that you previously !ignored (it tries to do a partial match) |
- !rmk/!checkban commands are not spamable anymore.
- !statsdota/!sd - removed 5 seconds block, you can now check stats faster.
- !kick command is now enabled in lobby.
- !owner command has been fixed, when host leaves first player that uses !owner will become the new game owner.
- Bot will now save stats for your hero only if you're in the game.
In other words, if you DC at 20 minutes bot will remember what items/kills/creeps/etc. you had when you DCed and will save that to your ladder(!sd) stats. Your teammates won't be able to feed with your hero and increase your deaths or any other stat in the stats anymore.
- Added support for !hcl command for custom games and !hcl/!mode command for ladder games.
- Other bug fixes and command improvements that i forgot to mention.
New stats website
Made a new stats website, http://playdota.eu/stats (http://playdota.eu/stats)
All those replay missing bugs, hero missing, items missing, no chat log, etc. bugs should be fixed now.
Feel free to post your comments, feedback and questions in this topic.
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TEST BOTS
We have placed 10 new bots @ channel "pd test", you're welcomed to /join pd test and test the new system till we finally release it soon in the official pd channel. You can create a game by whispering the testbot in channel, /w testbot01 !gopub <test game>.
Follow this thread for further news, if you wish to comment post here, if you encounter any issues or bugs with the new bots please be so kind and report it in this topic.
You won't be able to ask for unban/ban over these bots yet.
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1st comment. thats all i want to say! :)
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anything added about who can host? or anyone can host a game?
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very nice :)
could u add colors @ lobby log and chat log , would look better :d
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anything added about who can host? or anyone can host a game?
Anyone can host atm, just like on the current bots, but we like this idea (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,45593.0.html) and something like that will probably be added.
very nice :)
could u add colors @ lobby log and chat log , would look better :d
yea, on todo status
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Great improvement to the community, a lot of new features added that reduce low quality Dota games.
I like new ladder page, there is Lobby chat implemented now, so host can't change game name at the start.
And there is !mode, so you are able to see whether host will put game name he was advertising.
GProxy excellent feature, people wouldn't plug anymore, because it is useless.
Autoban command, I really like it, now there won't be host abuse and lack of host knowledge about rules.
I have question about game you have played at new ladder system:
1502 / +18 7 10 18 81 4 16 3 23
You gained 18 points from that game, yet your team mates gained 17.
Why?
Game link: http://playdota.eu/stats/game/9/sola-1 (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/9/sola-1)
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I have question about game you have played at new ladder system:
1502 / +18 7 10 18 81 4 16 3 23
You gained 18 points from that game, yet your team mates gained 17.
Why?
Game link: http://playdota.eu/stats/game/9/sola-1 (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/9/sola-1)
PSR gain is calculated separately for each player.
MUN had lower initial PSR rating than others.
he had 1484 while others from sentinel team had default 1500.
try to test it with simulator from first post
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Does test games affect your stats or when bot start working stats will be reset?
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great job - i need to go to work now but i will definitely play some games later
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good job :)
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One thing I don't like it is from last test game I have played.
Basically it was balanced game 4v4 from 30min, at the end when we have already destroying opposite base in 40 min of game their player left, I know he reached auto ban, but we didn't get our PRS because he left the game and it was fair game till end.
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Enabled GProxy++ support.
You can now reconnect into the playdota.eu game after you get disconnected
good to hear I like that a lot leavers and pluggers will be revealed easily cause if you DC you want reconnect as fast as possible at least its pc or prog crash not internet ;)
If you are inactive and not playing any ladder games for a while your PSR will start to decay automatically and you will lose position in the ladder.
this I dont like too much I dont know how others like it but me playing for last half year not much just if I had time and so on so loosing points just for not playing is not so good :-\ on the other hand I know that if you want reaching through ladder its obvious to playing
but question how long is the time when my points are dropped how long period in which I have to play at least 1 game to not loosing points?
but at all GRAET JOB PD I m glad that it will be here finally and thank for improving the bot a lot to better gaming place it will be worthy of the hard work youve made 8)
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First of all i want to say very good job i like changes and it will make this better place to play dota for sure.
I just have one question . For example if i get disconnected what will happen with autoban/gproxy and how much time do i have to reconnect and what will happen if for example i cant reconnect because of electrical failure for example?
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Thank you very much for your new implememntations.
1 question...
Will everybody start with 1500 PSR? is there a way to implement current stats?
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Awesome Work!
Nearly all the features we wanted for now ^_^
First of all i want to say very good job i like changes and it will make this better place to play dota for sure.
I just have one question . For example if i get disconnected what will happen with autoban/gproxy and how much time do i have to reconnect and what will happen if for example i cant reconnect because of electrical failure for example?
Check the links that '' MyUberNick '' gave about GProxy: http://www.codelain.com/forum/index.php?topic=11529.0 (http://www.codelain.com/forum/index.php?topic=11529.0) - - - http://eurobattle.net/showthread.php?t=121456 (http://eurobattle.net/showthread.php?t=121456)
I found out this from that first link : '' However, there is a time limit to the reconnection which is chosen by the server operator and which defaults to 3 minutes. If the reconnection cannot be completed in this time limit you will be dropped from the game. ''
Thank you very much for your new implememntations.
1 question...
Will everybody start with 1500 PSR? is there a way to implement current stats?
Proabably everyone will start with 1500 ratings...
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I dunno if it will solve all the problems on PD with commands abusing, imbalanced games, and turks being turks, but the new website for stats already rox.
Congratz for your job!
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One thing I don't like it is from last test game I have played.
Basically it was balanced game 4v4 from 30min, at the end when we have already destroying opposite base in 40 min of game their player left, I know he reached auto ban, but we didn't get our PRS because he left the game and it was fair game till end.
That could be the problem of this new bot. People will ruin game like that and deal nothing with it.
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i cant use gproxy :S, says invalid password when i try to connect, probably because i have special characters in it, i checked everything a few times and i still can't connect, can i somehow fix this without creating a new account?
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Looks great, just one question; wasnt it mentioned that -em games would not count into stats?
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i cant use gproxy :S, says invalid password when i try to connect, probably because i have special characters in it, i checked everything a few times and i still can't connect, can i somehow fix this without creating a new account?
It happened to me too first time i've tried. After i typed '' PVPGN '' thing to last lane, it worked. Did you type it as told?
Looks great, just one question; wasnt it mentioned that -em games would not count into stats?
I don't know how they mentioned but it seems fair now. They'll get much lower rating who plays -em, it's cool imo..
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Looks great, just one question; wasnt it mentioned that -em games would not count into stats?
We thought it will not count but i seems Mun changed oppinion
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i cant use gproxy :S, says invalid password when i try to connect, probably because i have special characters in it, i checked everything a few times and i still can't connect, can i somehow fix this without creating a new account?
It happened to me too first time i've tried. After i typed '' PVPGN '' thing to last lane, it worked. Did you type it as told?
y, i did that
i made the new account already, works fine with it
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Still no blue games from pd.eu...... :(
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its because they need to be hosted from the testbot for now, while the "test" period is over
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spammthread :DD joke
btw if host writes !points ( or smth like that) <number
only players with higher points or same number will be allowed to join ingame ,
other players will be kicked , so it will be rly anoying if someone try to join the lobby and gets kicked , so my suggestion is :
could u make that bots pubs the game which owner wrote and add the number of the min. points ?
i know its shitty idea but it will be anoying the get kicked out all the time :d
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spammthread :DD joke
btw if host writes !points ( or smth like that) <number
only players with higher points or same number will be allowed to join ingame ,
other players will be kicked , so it will be rly anoying if someone try to join the lobby and gets kicked , so my suggestion is :
could u make that bots pubs the game which owner wrote and add the number of the min. points ?
i know its shitty idea but it will be anoying the get kicked out all the time :d
IMO is enough if you create game you should write in GN mode and points min/max instead pro noobs expert status so ppl know what sort of game it is
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so u can make game only with ppl who have (for example: 60% wins)..other cant join?
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spammthread :DD joke
btw if host writes !points ( or smth like that) <number
only players with higher points or same number will be allowed to join ingame ,
other players will be kicked , so it will be rly anoying if someone try to join the lobby and gets kicked , so my suggestion is :
could u make that bots pubs the game which owner wrote and add the number of the min. points ?
i know its shitty idea but it will be anoying the get kicked out all the time :d
Well you wanted that PRO and Noob game....do not cry moar now
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i wrote that it would be cool that bot auto writes from which amount of points players can join game
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did my score on testbot will be reset when testbot goes to real bot ? :D
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e....u cant chat with room users or whisper through gproxy,or?
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did my score on testbot will be reset when testbot goes to real bot ? :D
It will reset..once it is implented to pd.eu bot you can play for ladder
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u forgot to diseable downloading maps on ladder games
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Looks great, just one question; wasnt it mentioned that -em games would not count into stats?
I don't know how they mentioned but it seems fair now. They'll get much lower rating who plays -em, it's cool imo..
Ahh, didnt see the note about -em games. Yeah, seems cool.
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and is it possible that the bot filters the hcl from the game name ( at some bots it works )
http://playdota.eu/stats/player/1/dragoljub (http://playdota.eu/stats/player/1/dragoljub)
click ladder games
and u see result : ??
but i win dat game :8
when i click on 1//3/4/next/last nothing happens
http://playdota.eu/stats/ (http://playdota.eu/stats/)
(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/9776/sssvz.jpg)
and is it possible that u take the owner the control over the synclimit , ( the majority of pd.eu users will use gproxy and if host changes the synclimit there is a smaller chance that players reconnects )
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Nice Job !! That's all i can say :)
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Can't wait till new season will be launched
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!autoban command can be used at any time of the game to find out whether you will get autobanned if you leave.
what does it show? (:
by the way, could you add these new rules to rules section? :D
I didn't read it all yet, but I'm loving this new system
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i find this quite unfair (2nd scourge player)
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1984/dotaa.png)
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how to know if game is ladder or custom? i played several games today and i dont get any score
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@ snjoko wtf?!?!?!?
great bot you got there xD
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i find this quite unfair (2nd scourge player)
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1984/dotaa.png)
ur right, he should get a bonus for handling a team like that with 4 weaker players in his own team
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The bonus is -0 points on lose, anyways this is a very weird situation, u will understand why when u get used to psr in the sooner future.
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very good job mun
too bad I cant play :-\
hopefully i can try it soon ;D
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Looks great, just one question; wasnt it mentioned that -em games would not count into stats?
I don't know how they mentioned but it seems fair now. They'll get much lower rating who plays -em, it's cool imo..
Ahh, didnt see the note about -em games. Yeah, seems cool.
-em is noob mode omg... em games shouldn't be counted into stats...
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One thing I don't like it is from last test game I have played.
Basically it was balanced game 4v4 from 30min, at the end when we have already destroying opposite base in 40 min of game their player left, I know he reached auto ban, but we didn't get our PRS because he left the game and it was fair game till end.
here is your answer :
After one side of any base has been pushed and destroyed game won't result in a draw, any team is allowed to finish the game even if number of players drops to 5vs3, 4vs3 or lower.
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I really want to congrat you about this AWSOME WORK you did ! this will be a better place for playing good dota.
Can you please give us more details about inactivity penalties..
for example : If I don't play for " XX time " i will lose " XX psr " .
Congrats again for your effort, and a big big thanks to the whole staff that worked so hard on this new system. Sick job ;D!
Cheers,
S_nakEater.
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Looks great, just one question; wasnt it mentioned that -em games would not count into stats?
I don't know how they mentioned but it seems fair now. They'll get much lower rating who plays -em, it's cool imo..
Ahh, didnt see the note about -em games. Yeah, seems cool.
-em is noob mode omg... em games shouldn't be counted into stats...
Agreed, but i guess this change will greatly diminish the number of -em games played, so its not bad..
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I really want to congrat you about this AWSOME WORK you did ! this will be a better place for playing good dota.
Can you please give us more details about inactivity penalties..
for example : If I don't play for " XX time " i will lose " XX psr " .
Congrats again for your effort, and a big big thanks to the whole staff that worked so hard on this new system. Sick job ;D!
Cheers,
S_nakEater.
Are you joking? U think we must play couple of hours a day so our stats wouldnt go down? Some of us have real life and cant play ALL THE TIME dota. Some of us have free time only 1-2 days in a week... some cant play during monday-friday...
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The bonus is -0 points on lose, anyways this is a very weird situation, u will understand why when u get used to psr in the sooner future.
I mean, if scourge wins, 2000 psr player gets nothing? :\
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The bonus is -0 points on lose, anyways this is a very weird situation, u will understand why when u get used to psr in the sooner future.
I mean, if scourge wins, 2000 psr player gets nothing? :\
no idea
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The bonus is -0 points on lose, anyways this is a very weird situation, u will understand why when u get used to psr in the sooner future.
I mean, if scourge wins, 2000 psr player gets nothing? :\
no idea
watch this:
i find this quite unfair (2nd scourge player)
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1984/dotaa.png)
if this is true, it is unfair if scourge wins and the 2nd guy gets nothing :\
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e....u cant chat with room users or whisper through gproxy,or?
You can chat with room users and whisper through Gproxy, i tried. But it doesn't seem 'green' as usual when u whispered through Gproxy..
It seems like this: ''Yourname'': filibis whispers: Hi!
how to know if game is ladder or custom? i played several games today and i dont get any score
I realized this: when you entered a custom game and typed !rating (and the other commands about Ladder-Points etc.) in Lobby, nothing happens.. However when you entered a Ladder game all commands work.
( I don't know how will we know that before entering a game =\ )
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Result of a game can be win/lose or a draw. Team won the game if they destroyed the tree/throne or if opposing team forfeited. Game result is a draw, meaning noone won the game, when vote remake passes or when the game is ruined by leavers.
it should be 6 players when !ff game cause most of game they dont want to loose... and they all FF they will waste our time and their like we didnt do anything or if they FF we will get "draw" but with more points for the winning team.. so what do you think? myuber
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can i use gproxy with fawkz nick?
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it should be 6 players when !ff game cause most of game they dont want to loose... and they all FF they will waste our time and their like we didnt do anything or if they FF we will get "draw" but with more points for the winning team.. so what do you think? myuber
you read it wrong
if the team does !ff it gets a loss, not draw
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can i use gproxy with fawkz nick?
i think yes. Try it =)
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yeah sorry didnt read it carefully.. anyway nice system!
Btw i think Gproxy deosn't work for me i followed every single step but still they need the Cd key and I putted it (26 time "F") so what's the problem because i don't have the original Cd key of wcr3 is their anyway?
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The bonus is -0 points on lose, anyways this is a very weird situation, u will understand why when u get used to psr in the sooner future.
I mean, if scourge wins, 2000 psr player gets nothing? :\
no idea
watch this:
i find this quite unfair (2nd scourge player)
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1984/dotaa.png)
if this is true, it is unfair if scourge wins and the 2nd guy gets nothing :\
unfair rly...
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yeah sorry didnt read it carefully.. anyway nice system!
Btw i think Gproxy deosn't work for me i followed every single step but still they need the Cd key and I putted it (26 time "F") so what's the problem because i don't have the original Cd key of wcr3 is their anyway?
pamahama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEToxyAoyNk#)
HD ofc
### required config values
war3path = C:\Program Files\Warcraft III\
cdkeyroc = XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
cdkeytft = XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
server = server.eurobattle.net
username = dragoljub
password =
channel = channel
### optional config values
war3version = 24
port = 6125
exeversion = 24
exeversionhash = 197 67 68 222
passwordhashtype = pvpgn
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yeah sorry didnt read it carefully.. anyway nice system!
Btw i think Gproxy deosn't work for me i followed every single step but still they need the Cd key and I putted it (26 time "F") so what's the problem because i don't have the original Cd key of wcr3 is their anyway?
Can you tell exactly what problem-error you have? Gproxy worked fine for me. I tried it at Testbot. You probably missing something. 26 'F' worked for me, try to type it carefully.
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same problem w8 i give you screenshot for my error....
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Error:
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2n17qsl.jpg)
Gproxy CFG:
(http://i53.tinypic.com/20z4uax.jpg)
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My gproxy file looks like that:
### required config values
war3path = E:\worcraft3\Warcraft III\
cdkeyroc = FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
cdkeytft = FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
server = server.eurobattle.net
username = Sairon
password =
channel = xdl
### optional config values
war3version = 24
port = 6125
exeversion =
exeversionhash =
passwordhashtype = pvpgn
set it exactly as mine (with other personal informations) and try run it.
I had same problem as yours...
Jsut check the text in my file and in yours.
And as dragon said... you prabobly forgot the \
At the end of your war3path. That could be the problem - program cannot find the destination of your war3.exe file.
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(http://i53.tinypic.com/20z4uax.jpg)
u forgot the last \
war3path = E:\worcraft3\Warcraft III\
war3path = E:\worcraft3\Warcraft III\
mby it helps :D
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lol, it works when i put" \" thx draguljub :)
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I really want to congrat you about this AWSOME WORK you did ! this will be a better place for playing good dota.
Can you please give us more details about inactivity penalties..
for example : If I don't play for " XX time " i will lose " XX psr " .
Congrats again for your effort, and a big big thanks to the whole staff that worked so hard on this new system. Sick job ;D!
Cheers,
S_nakEater.
Are you joking? U think we must play couple of hours a day so our stats wouldnt go down? Some of us have real life and cant play ALL THE TIME dota. Some of us have free time only 1-2 days in a week... some cant play during monday-friday...
exactly I asked one time before on start of topic but still no answer some of us want to play ladder games but got real life and work or study to do and time for dota some days in week? so how long is the time with no penalty? how often we need play at least ONE game to no dropped score? ty
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Yeah, I was thinking the same problem... I just play on weeckends.
how this would be? :o
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I really want to congrat you about this AWSOME WORK you did ! this will be a better place for playing good dota.
Can you please give us more details about inactivity penalties..
for example : If I don't play for " XX time " i will lose " XX psr " .
Congrats again for your effort, and a big big thanks to the whole staff that worked so hard on this new system. Sick job ;D!
Cheers,
S_nakEater.
Are you joking? U think we must play couple of hours a day so our stats wouldnt go down? Some of us have real life and cant play ALL THE TIME dota. Some of us have free time only 1-2 days in a week... some cant play during monday-friday...
y dude you will get penalised if you don't play for a while ... Check this out !
If you are inactive and not playing any ladder games for a while your PSR will start to decay automatically and you will lose position in the ladder.
How does it work ?? That's what i'm asking for ..
I really think it's a bad idea because we are not geeks, we have a life too !
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I really want to congrat you about this AWSOME WORK you did ! this will be a better place for playing good dota.
Can you please give us more details about inactivity penalties..
for example : If I don't play for " XX time " i will lose " XX psr " .
Congrats again for your effort, and a big big thanks to the whole staff that worked so hard on this new system. Sick job ;D!
Cheers,
S_nakEater.
Are you joking? U think we must play couple of hours a day so our stats wouldnt go down? Some of us have real life and cant play ALL THE TIME dota. Some of us have free time only 1-2 days in a week... some cant play during monday-friday...
y dude you will get penalised if you don't play for a while ... Check this out !
If you are inactive and not playing any ladder games for a while your PSR will start to decay automatically and you will lose position in the ladder.
How does it work ?? That's what i'm asking for ..
I really think it's a bad idea because we are not geeks, we have a life too !
I think that's a cool idea for keeping scoreboard 'alive' . Starting to decay automatically after 2 'inactive' weeks would be good... And i don't think they will urge us to play everyday, just calm (=
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i cant use gproxy :S, says invalid password when i try to connect, probably because i have special characters in it, i checked everything a few times and i still can't connect, can i somehow fix this without creating a new account?
Same problem here. Changed password to letters only, but error pops out again.:E
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i cant use gproxy :S, says invalid password when i try to connect, probably because i have special characters in it, i checked everything a few times and i still can't connect, can i somehow fix this without creating a new account?
Same problem here. Changed password to letters only, but error pops out again.:E
Check your 'gproxy.cfg' . It works fine for me. You probably missing something. People talked about this before here, read posts carefully.
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Fixed it by making new folder in War3, and moved gproxy in it.
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The bonus is -0 points on lose, anyways this is a very weird situation, u will understand why when u get used to psr in the sooner future.
I mean, if scourge wins, 2000 psr player gets nothing? :\
he might not win anything but he also wont lose!
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I really want to congrat you about this AWSOME WORK you did ! this will be a better place for playing good dota.
Can you please give us more details about inactivity penalties..
for example : If I don't play for " XX time " i will lose " XX psr " .
Congrats again for your effort, and a big big thanks to the whole staff that worked so hard on this new system. Sick job ;D!
Cheers,
S_nakEater.
Are you joking? U think we must play couple of hours a day so our stats wouldnt go down? Some of us have real life and cant play ALL THE TIME dota. Some of us have free time only 1-2 days in a week... some cant play during monday-friday...
exactly I asked one time before on start of topic but still no answer some of us want to play ladder games but got real life and work or study to do and time for dota some days in week? so how long is the time with no penalty? how often we need play at least ONE game to no dropped score? ty
i dont think he ment for hours, i think that he ment for days! for example if you get a very good psr like double more than others and you wont play for 2 weeks than your score lowers, but not for a day or 2
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FOR ALL PPL HAVING PROBLEM WITH GPROXY
this version comes from stefos. it doesnt require install , setting path or anything. Just dl and run it ( BEFORE U RUN W3).
http://stefos007.no-ip.org/gproxy.exe (http://stefos007.no-ip.org/gproxy.exe)
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Yea i saw on euro as well...it works great
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FOR ALL PPL HAVING PROBLEM WITH GPROXY
this version comes from stefos. it doesnt require install , setting path or anything. Just dl and run it ( BEFORE U RUN W3).
http://stefos007.no-ip.org/gproxy.exe (http://stefos007.no-ip.org/gproxy.exe)
care , it removes gateways , and adds : defualuts + eb.net +gproxy on , eb.net +gproxy off
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Yes, if you play on fawkz, you will have to add it again, cause everytime when u start ebnet with that proxy it will delete fawkz getaway.
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i have been playing games on the testbot01 in pd test channel , i really like the autoban thing and The HCl string , and that the autoban gets off when more than 3 players leave the game .
my problem is that scores from these games doesnt count in PSR but count in games played # and i think that the team with the least leavers should be count as the team that won the game cause till know everytime i m starting to win everyone leaves (and yea they never use !ff command ) I just want to know how its gonna be when all the bots use this ranking method cause it will be your greatest fail if it will be as it is like this ... i mean when u own ur opponent in a game and they rage quit then that game doesn't count as a win it just will piss u off that u won't play on this bot anymore
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I really want to congrat you about this AWSOME WORK you did ! this will be a better place for playing good dota.
Can you please give us more details about inactivity penalties..
for example : If I don't play for " XX time " i will lose " XX psr " .
Congrats again for your effort, and a big big thanks to the whole staff that worked so hard on this new system. Sick job ;D!
Cheers,
S_nakEater.
Are you joking? U think we must play couple of hours a day so our stats wouldnt go down? Some of us have real life and cant play ALL THE TIME dota. Some of us have free time only 1-2 days in a week... some cant play during monday-friday...
exactly I asked one time before on start of topic but still no answer some of us want to play ladder games but got real life and work or study to do and time for dota some days in week? so how long is the time with no penalty? how often we need play at least ONE game to no dropped score? ty
i dont think he ment for hours, i think that he ment for days! for example if you get a very good psr like double more than others and you wont play for 2 weeks than your score lowers, but not for a day or 2
yeah i know that not hours and day but still me got a lot of work lately in school and if time i want make editing and FXs but still play ladder games cause if in ladder higher better ppl and games but for ex. one week I can play every day even more games than one but next nothing even if I wanted to and heres a lot of ppl like me but I know that the majority here are teen nerds that got time 12h per day to play ;D
so just mods answer how long is the gab till loosing PSR and how much points for what period of staying off ladder games just for orientation ;) plz ty
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it would be nice if u disable the : "if the game is 3v5 no points " after 25or30 min
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The bonus is -0 points on lose, anyways this is a very weird situation, u will understand why when u get used to psr in the sooner future.
I mean, if scourge wins, 2000 psr player gets nothing? :\
no idea
watch this:
i find this quite unfair (2nd scourge player)
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1984/dotaa.png)
if this is true, it is unfair if scourge wins and the 2nd guy gets nothing :\
check this out also
(http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/1628/dota2.png)
and i think it's good to take some tested system of evaluation (like PSR) but there should be more factor to consider, my opinion.
and also losing no point is good but there should be some point gain for wining (cause you would probable be reason for that)
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I agree, for win at least 1 point it does not matter if you all have same amount of psr.
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i dont understand this thing with gproxy.
do i have to download and install gproxy to have the features like reconect or etc?
please someone help me with this!
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it would be nice if u disable the : "if the game is 3v5 no points " after 25or30 min
+1
thats rly stupid... only that thing in new bot is withouth point
what if after 1hr 4v5 som1 left ,and he get ban and we get dick :(
oh i didnt see this
After one side of any base has been pushed and destroyed game won't result in a draw, any team is allowed to finish the game even if number of players drops to 5vs3, 4vs3 or lower.
thats ok! :)
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i dont understand this thing with gproxy.
do i have to download and install gproxy to have the features like reconect or etc?
please someone help me with this!
Ofc you need to download and install it! Check the links below, especially the second one.
Enabled GProxy++ support.
You can now reconnect into the playdota.eu game after you get disconnected, download GProxy and get more info how to use it at the links below.
Official GProxy made by Varlock and tutorial:
http://www.codelain.com/forum/index.php?topic=11529.0 (http://www.codelain.com/forum/index.php?topic=11529.0)
How to use official GProxy on Eurobattle:
http://eurobattle.net/showthread.php?t=121456 (http://eurobattle.net/showthread.php?t=121456)
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yeah i know that not hours and day but still me got a lot of work lately in school and if time i want make editing and FXs but still play ladder games cause if in ladder higher better ppl and games but for ex. one week I can play every day even more games than one but next nothing even if I wanted to and heres a lot of ppl like me but I know that the majority here are teen nerds that got time 12h per day to play ;D
so just mods answer how long is the gab till loosing PSR and how much points for what period of staying off ladder games just for orientation ;) plz ty
You won't have to be a nolifer to keep your PSR and position in the ladder. Your PSR will start to slowly decay 2 weeks after your last ladder game and will drop until it reaches starting PSR.
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i dont understand this thing with gproxy.
do i have to download and install gproxy to have the features like reconect or etc?
please someone help me with this!
You dont need to install it, you just download the program from the second link fbilis gave and run it before you run euroloader.
Also let me remind the players who are playing over fawkzbnet realm:
Each time you start bnet with gproxy you willl remain without fawkzbnet getaway, you will need to add it each time after you play on xpam with their gproxy.
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Start gproxy.exe again and it should connect to bnet. In the console of gproxy you have to search the game and you can do that typing /game gamename(e.g. : /game tour1, where tour1 is the gamename). After you typed /game tour1 open war3(with euroloader) and go to LAN. After few sec you'll see the game in BLUE LETTERS(very important) and enter it. If the gamename isnt in blue letters you arent protected by gproxy.
I have one question about this... I understand that... but what happen if I dont remeber the gamename? I cant join the game back then? or will be there any way to find out what the gamename of game I was in is?
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lol, Gproxy isn't working on testbots,I dc a game.... it don't wait even 50 sec to reconnect and i need 1.5 min atleast to restart the router :/..
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First of all THNX. GREAT BOT!!!!!
Well we were testing Disconnect feature with GProxy.
It works fine if user gets fast reconnect.
BUT
When user gets DC and all players get DROP OUT table, then it's not very good.
When all other players get DROP OUT table, user has about 1 min to reconnect. If not, players push DROP button and lagger is dropped out with AUTOBAN.
Well, I thin we need som eimprovements here.
Reduce GProxy reconnect time (to WC3 Drop OUT table counter) or Drop OUT counter set to 3 min). Otherwise it doesn't help so much :)
Thnx again for new BOT, really great!!! :)
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Ye my question is if u dont manage to reconnect on time autoban or not? ???
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Ye my question is if u dont manage to reconnect on time autoban or not? ???
It's autoban sure, we tested it :)
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The .dota command does not work...or maybe I'm not using it properly?
I type /w testbot01 .dota
Otherwise I have to host a full fledged game to test the bot out, and I can't play private 4v4, 3v3 or less matches.
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lol, Gproxy isn't working on testbots,I dc a game.... it don't wait even 50 sec to reconnect and i need 1.5 min atleast to restart the router :/..
Man i tried Gproxy on testbots and it worked. I once reconnected after 2 min! Maybe people dropped you before reconnect? (Or if you've tried it alone, game is freezing sometimes and disconnecting weirdly.)
Let me tell you what i did from the beginning:
1: After you've done all the settings about Gproxy, click ''Gproxy.exe'' . And press any key to continue.
2: You will be connected to the channel that you've chosen automatically. (Mine is 'Playdota.eu')
3: Then open Wacraft 3, go to Local Area Network (LAN). There you'll probably see 0 games.
4: Type '' /Public '' at Gproxy. Then look again LAN, there you'll see games. (Only 'Blue- Coloured Games' are supported by Gproxy.)
5: As you can see Playdota.eu bots are not supported by Gproxy -yet-, so they're white-coloured . But when you create your game with 'Testbot01', it'll be blue-coloured.
6: To create your game on New Testbot, type at Gproxy '' /w Testbot01 !gopub GAMENAME '' (for Ladder Games) or '' /w Testbot01 .dota GAMENAME '' (for Custom Games). I suggest you to create a custom game, because in ladder game you have to be 5v5 to start the game. You can play 1v1 etc. in custom game.
7: After creating your game, find your game at LAN. (It will be blue-coloured.) Then call one of your friend or wait someone to join, explain him the situation =d (Because he mustn't leave the game. If he leaves, your game will freeze and you'll get disconnect. I don't know why ^^)
8: Choose your hero, buy some items to be real-like =p then unplug! (or disable wireless etc.) After 10-20 sec. (or 1 min! that's what i've did!) connect cable again.
9: Then just wait to reconnect automatically! You don't need to do anything. Just wait... After a while (10-15 sec.) you'll be reconnected by Gproxy.
I hope this helps...
The .dota command does not work...or maybe I'm not using it properly?
I type /w testbot01 .dota
Otherwise I have to host a full fledged game to test the bot out, and I can't play private 4v4, 3v3 or less matches.
I created custom games several time. Check the steps i've told above.
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thx,It works like a sharm,,,
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Everything is true u say.
But if u have longer disconnect and people push on Drop Player, u will be dropped and get AUTOBAN.
lol, Gproxy isn't working on testbots,I dc a game.... it don't wait even 50 sec to reconnect and i need 1.5 min atleast to restart the router :/..
Man i tried Gproxy on testbots and it worked. I once reconnected after 2 min! Maybe people dropped you before reconnect? (Or if you've tried it alone, game is freezing sometimes and disconnecting weirdly.)
Let me tell you what i did from the beginning:
1: After you've done all the settings about Gproxy, click ''Gproxy.exe'' . And press any key to continue.
2: You will be connected to the channel that you've chosen automatically. (Mine is 'Playdota.eu')
3: Then open Wacraft 3, go to Local Area Network (LAN). There you'll probably see 0 games.
4: Type '' /Public '' at Gproxy. Then look again LAN, there you'll see games. (Only 'Blue- Coloured Games' are supported by Gproxy.)
5: As you can see Playdota.eu bots are not supported by Gproxy -yet-, so they're white-coloured . But when you create your game with 'Testbot01', it'll be blue-coloured.
6: To create your game on New Testbot, type at Gproxy '' /w Testbot01 !gopub GAMENAME '' (for Ladder Games) or '' /w Testbot01 .dota GAMENAME '' (for Custom Games). I suggest you to create a custom game, because in ladder game you have to be 5v5 to start the game. You can play 1v1 etc. in custom game.
7: After creating your game, find your game at LAN. (It will be blue-coloured.) Then call one of your friend or wait someone to join, explain him the situation =d (Because he mustn't leave the game. If he leaves, your game will freeze and you'll get disconnect. I don't know why ^^)
8: Choose your hero, buy some items to be real-like =p then unplug! (or disable wireless etc.) After 10-20 sec. (or 1 min! that's what i've did!) connect cable again.
9: Then just wait to reconnect automatically! You don't need to do anything. Just wait... After a while (10-15 sec.) you'll be reconnected by Gproxy.
I hope this helps...
The .dota command does not work...or maybe I'm not using it properly?
I type /w testbot01 .dota
Otherwise I have to host a full fledged game to test the bot out, and I can't play private 4v4, 3v3 or less matches.
I created custom games several time. Check the steps i've told above.
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My pc crashes sometimes ( a lot recently ) and i need like 5 min for restart pc and connect battle net.So every time it happens i will get ban :o
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With ebnets gproxy you wont need to find your game in LAN, just go engage gproxy and start the euroloader, after that in bngetaway select "eurobatllnet net gproxy on" and log int xpam. After that you can go in pd test room and create a game with test bot, after u create it just enter the game and you will see in chat log "gproxy reconect tool enabled.....".
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Everything is true u say.
But if u have longer disconnect and people push on Drop Player, u will be dropped and get AUTOBAN.
It's not a bad situation for private games (clan matchs etc.). But yea, that would be good if they make 'Drop Player option' waiting longer for public games.
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And for the stefos007 Gproxy,U just need to run it before u start euroloader and if u dc u will have 3 min to connect right..?Nothing more..?
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My pc crashes sometimes ( a lot recently ) and i need like 5 min for restart pc and connect battle net.So every time it happens i will get ban :o
if u get an error or u pc restarted u cant reconnect with gproxy
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I approve of this... Will try the reconnecter into game. I just don't know how it can work!?
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http://stefos007.no-ip.org/gproxy.exe (http://stefos007.no-ip.org/gproxy.exe)
dl that ,
open it , than wc3
enjoy ,
note : all gateways will be deleted
u ll have only defaults, eurobattle gproxy off and eurobattle gproxy on
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Is this new stuff working now? Earlier today i was playing and everything was the same as always
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it worked all the time
mby u didnt connect to a bot with gproxy enabled
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The .dota command does not work...or maybe I'm not using it properly?
I type /w testbot01 .dota
Otherwise I have to host a full fledged game to test the bot out, and I can't play private 4v4, 3v3 or less matches.
missing game name parameter
wrong way: "/w testbot01 .dota"
right way: "/w testbot01 .dota <game name>"
right way: "/w testbot01 .dota DotA 3vs3 come ALL"
And for the stefos007 Gproxy,U just need to run it before u start euroloader and if u dc u will have 3 min to connect right..?Nothing more..?
Yep, just that.
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And for the stefos007 Gproxy,U just need to run it before u start euroloader and if u dc u will have 3 min to connect right..?Nothing more..?
not always 3 min
@pd.eu it will be 3 mins
yesterday i saw on tourbots 300 secs
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it should be added that when you press to drop it wont drop!
a friend told me that from some platform or something like that , he said there you had 3 minutes and when you press drop the bot says please wait!
and also you cant pausee games from game menu! you can just by typing some command and game automatically pauses for 30sec!
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it worked all the time
mby u didnt connect to a bot with gproxy enabled
All the time? Im talking about new commands, autoban, !ignore... about new scoring system... Everything looks the same now when i join the PD game, old scores, old system, host still can mute players, host is banning players etc.
Are you saying if i install this gproxy i will start seeing games created with this new rules, new system?
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xDDDD sry :D
y there are old bots and new bots
new bots --> /join pd test
old bots --> /join pd
90% of users dont know that there are test bots ( /join pd test ) so they use the old bots ( /join pd )
all bots with higher number than 50 are the new bots ( as i know )
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So if i find PD game that is 50 or higher those are new bots? I will be able to use new commands? Right now i just want to have that !ignore command. Flamers are unbearable and host dont wana mute, usually dont give a s*it -_- That is one awesome command right there.
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y , 51>
51 . 52 , 53 , 54 ...
you can host with new bots too , just /join pd test , /w testbot01 !pub <gamename>
wtf , look at the ss
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Yea... i dont like to host because i always like to play in scourge team, im used to that.
Tried to find some of those... no luck. It only goes as high as "playdota.eu.49" Will this new system be mandatory to all players soon? If i understand you correctly it is only in testing now.
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u dont need to be at 1st slot / blue
host game , join it , write !hcl <gamemode> , go to scourge
when game starts bot will auto write -ap
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good job guys , warcraft is really a nice game i have never seen :D
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This new bot sux ...Ii playied 4 games and i have 2 draw becouse 3 players left ... its pointless. we played 4v3 and we win and when i check stats was draw. Check this http://playdota.eu/stats/game/277/sdso-eu-2 (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/277/sdso-eu-2) left 5 min befor end and game end by draw. I back on old bot
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there is a bug in new bot - it autoban after !ff
http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,54958.0.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,54958.0.html)
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The .dota command does not work...or maybe I'm not using it properly?
I type /w testbot01 .dota
Otherwise I have to host a full fledged game to test the bot out, and I can't play private 4v4, 3v3 or less matches.
missing game name parameter
wrong way: "/w testbot01 .dota"
right way: "/w testbot01 .dota <game name>"
right way: "/w testbot01 .dota DotA 3vs3 come ALL"
>_<
I can't believe how stupid I was to not figure that out myself...
Anyways GREAT JOB with the bot.
Few questions..
With .dota games are you auto banned if you leave? And in normal !pub games as you said:
- Ladder games
Games created with first group of commands from above will be saved into ladder (www.playdota.eu/stats/ladder (http://www.playdota.eu/stats/ladder)) and will affect your ingame stats (!sd).
so .dota games stats are not added to this same site ?
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Great news...a lot of good changes
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So what is the problem? I played one game with new bot. Why is it not in use allready?
Why for !ff command you need to wait 25 min?
Why is sky blue?
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The new bot is very very nice! I have only a couple of comments about it.
1) in ladder games it sais that "apemso" is too long string for !mode, but in "apem" the switch command is disabled, so there's no way to balance teams if 2 players leave. I know, I know, 5v3 is draw and it doesn't reflect on stats, but it would be nice to go on just for fun, if all players agree.
2) I saw a lot more draw games for leavers, especially after a firstblood. I think that a game should not be draw only after push, but after firstblood too, to avoid this spreading of leaver behaviour.
3) also (referring to bucu27 too) games should NOT be draw after a time limit (say, 25min): I think that !ff should be used then, or rebalance teams (see point 1), and if an entire team leaves it should be considered as an automatic !ff. Forfeit should replace draw, indeed (IMVHO, of course).
4) the new stat system and the !balance command is AMAZING :)
Keep up the good work guys!
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Very nice changes in ranking system... I hope it works...
I was actually going to create a topic about how old system of stats is destructive when i found this... In the old system most of players played for stats, and even if u dont want to play for stats, you get drawn into that nonsense anyway, because decision if ure good player or not depended only on your kills/deaths/denies... This creates wrong incentives for most of the players (especially a bit noobish ones) since they all start picking carries and so on... What results in a absofuckinglutely boring 60 minute farming game...
so practically no one ever picks supporting chars, which basically should be the core of the game... games with teams of panda/bara/lancer/trax/troll are the majority and it shouldnt...
Now this new system should create incentives to win, but not to have a high kill/death ratio so its an improvement as it will encourage teamwork, warding and everyhing you could expect in a decent dota... All I can hope for is that playdota players finally start playing cm mode...
Anyway, few things I would change (so that we get rid of that stat-mania game style):
get rid of !sd/!statsdota command - it doesnt do any good, all the info you need is in ranking points, and if u want your stats you can check them in the website... This way players would only check that occasionally and would probably lose interest in those stats gradually...
maybe add different colours for rank points just for eg up to 1500 - red 1500 - 2k white 2k- green 3k+ - blue or sth like that... would be useful visual aid. Or at least if u dont remove !sd make that rating in different color than the rest of the stats or make it in bold or sth, as it has to be the main point to look at... it represents not only how much you win, but most importantly against what opponents you play...
give 0 or very close to 0 effect for -em games... 'apem eu pros' is just pathetically funny...
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anyway here not have team play
cant understand why he want to change stats system, low chance to come better players than those tards
will see , time will show
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When will you get rid of the old bot system? New system is awesome but i cant find any games with it -_-
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We'll be moving the new bots to pd channel today.
http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,55397.0.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,55397.0.html)
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i hope u reset stats too ;) ;)
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i hope u reset stats too ;) ;)
When new bot system will finally be implemented,new season will start...just few more days
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You can't ban players if they leave ,guy played with me died 2 times in 2 mins , left and bot writed you can play for fun now ... so if you die early you can leave if you gona kill early he gona leave , and no one gona get ban ...
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he gets ban
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i hate that stats are reduced to zero.
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anything added about who can host? or anyone can host a game?
Anyone can host atm, just like on the current bots, but we like this idea (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,45593.0.html) and something like that will probably be added.
YEAH, finally it paid of to participate in important treads. And its good to know PD.eu staff monitor them, listen to our opinions and include them if we give support to. If this rule will be implemented its gonna be supercool :)
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maybe add different colours for rank points just for eg up to 1500 - red 1500 - 2k white 2k- green 3k+ - blue
man its imposible to reach 3k :D i doubt if anybody(few ppl mby) will have more than 2k
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Old stats can't imported into new bots rank system, so its rather obvious they'll be reset
maybe add different colours for rank points just for eg up to 1500 - red 1500 - 2k white 2k- green 3k+ - blue
man its imposible to reach 3k :D i doubt if anybody(few ppl mby) will have more than 2k
im already over 9k pff
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There is a bug on the statistics.
http://playdota.eu/stats/player/2/abo (http://playdota.eu/stats/player/2/abo)
When i look the stats in the web site i have 11.7 av. kills and 4.3 av. deaths etc.
But in the game when i write !sd: The system includes my draw games and 4.4 av. kills 1.625 av. deaths etc.
Can u fix this bug? I just want to inform you..
Btw new system is very good. Thanks for your effort :)
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So this begins to look like retail DIV-LEAGUE.
Not bad.
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This looks nice 8)
By the way,
Will you delete the stats on the forum connected to the game account too? :)
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is so good work so fun and interesting is that it can be seen lobby chat and game chat ;) ;D
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the thing that I loved in new bots that none of hosts can abuse his commands anymore.....because it generate the gamelobby.
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ofc they can , but u dont know how :D
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ofc they can , but u dont know how :D
yy abusers and MHs are the most clever and inventive ppl so they'll find the way ;)
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ofc they can , but u dont know how :D
i think dragoljub will find out quickly how can abuse host commands ;D ;D and dont use bottle when his courier die xD xD
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ofc they can , but u dont know how :D
whispering the bot will be make a solution about it later and don't even think about it :D.... it's the only way to abuse commands ATM :)
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ok ppl i know ur doing best but u rly messed up this time :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( i coudnt finish 8 games in row coz of ur auto non ladder game when someone leaves......ITS RLY NOT GOOD....I CANT FIGURE OUT WHO COMED WITH THAT stupid IDEA...until u fix that im on garena gl XD no offence
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ok ppl i know ur doing best but u rly messed up this time :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( i coudnt finish 8 games in row coz of ur auto non ladder game when someone leaves......ITS RLY NOT GOOD....I CANT FIGURE OUT WHO COMED WITH THAT stupid IDEA...until u fix that im on garena gl XD no offence
Yea i had same problem too :S
everytime ppls loosing they just quit and autobanned :S 6 games in a row i got nothing no stats no kills :S
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Great :) There were some rumors that there will be stats reset manual able on new bot. But will it be or ?
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ok ppl i know ur doing best but u rly messed up this time :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( i coudnt finish 8 games in row coz of ur auto non ladder game when someone leaves......ITS RLY NOT GOOD....I CANT FIGURE OUT WHO COMED WITH THAT stupid IDEA...until u fix that im on garena gl XD no offence
This system was made for game ruiners in the old bot if someon leaves in first minutes none will want to make rmk so i think it's better to autoban and end the game...
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Great :) There were some rumors that there will be stats reset manual able on new bot. But will it be or ?
I read about that, there will be, but there will be some period of time btw you can do it. I mean,you can't do it everyday, at least, shouldnt be so.
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Tell me if all sentine/scourge forfeit, stats will be shit?
Old bot was better...
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Tell me if all sentine/scourge forfeit, stats will be shit?
Old bot was better...
Forfeit command was made to reduce wasting time of unplayable condetions.... if you win after the opposite team forfeit you will get points don't worry..
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I don't see game results in player profile ladder games menu.
It's like ?? not written won - lost or draw.
Also i like the game result will be a draw if player leaves before 5 minutes but the other rule about leavers when leave 2 of them because pawned by other team which is not should be draw i think.
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can you do something with leavers in 5 minutes? they are so annoying... i can't finish a game because of them...
Naabs force his limits try to do a first kill and if they are pwned they leave.. game is over autoban off no stats .. is realy annoying
and i dont like to play for fun...
smaller time 2 minutes for leavers would be great !!!
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Tell me if all sentine/scourge forfeit, stats will be shit?
Old bot was better...
After game is forfeited to opposing team game will end and you can leave, opposing team gets a win and your team gets a loss.
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if i got disc i dont understand how to return to the game
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Btw, since the test bots were added ive been lagging at pd.eu now that the new test season started with the new bots Ive been lagging aswell, do you know what causes that?
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Old bot was better :(
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http://www.picz.ro/show-image.php?id=557a5ff7e3b246bdafd0a9b8348e4a5b (http://www.picz.ro/show-image.php?id=557a5ff7e3b246bdafd0a9b8348e4a5b)
Bug i think , 2+1= 3 as far as i know , though i have 4 games ^^
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Is stupid ;/ i waste over 20 min
In 21 min 2 sentinels left and no stats saved oO
WTF is going on ??
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this bot try to do fair things for all players.. but remember we have many retards on pd they are leavers and ruine game soo.. that;'s why you can't catch a full game to be saved in ladder
an ideea shold be first 5 minutes leaver 1 warn; 3warns=> get a ban; dont except host is an ordinary player like us
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http://www.picz.ro/show-image.php?id=557a5ff7e3b246bdafd0a9b8348e4a5b (http://www.picz.ro/show-image.php?id=557a5ff7e3b246bdafd0a9b8348e4a5b)
Bug i think , 2+1= 3 as far as i know , though i have 4 games ^^
1 was draw
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Is stupid ;/ i waste over 20 min
In 21 min 2 sentinels left and no stats saved oO
WTF is going on ??
Same "problem" here.
I play 3 games, in 2 when we are winning 2 scourge left, games go draw and no stats saved.
http://playdota.eu/stats/game/3407/sd-eu-1 (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/3407/sd-eu-1)
http://playdota.eu/stats/game/2208/sdso-eu-1 (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/2208/sdso-eu-1)
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Ppl leave and ruiun so many games now beacuse ban is set to few minutes.. It's testing period. When ban would be set to days, I think ppl wan't leave so much and it should be like on the old bot. So be patient and help crew to test new bot.
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Half the games i've played have been ruined by leavers. And autoban doesn't seem to work? I check the leaver right after he leaves and no ban :/
I really recommend that ban for leaving is at least 2 weeks. Leavers have 30 accounts each anyhow.
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new account sucks now.. you can keep players in lobby follow by psr; you removed 5 minutes leaver ?
the new bot come to right why keep the work good, is great !
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kinda gay rules, but w/e
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new bot sux...
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I left garena because everybody could leave and don't recive ban. Now you do the same. Stupid rules about ban and games count. A lot of games and no stats, so this suks. Sad !
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I left garena because everybody could leave and don't recive ban. Now you do the same. Stupid rules about ban and games count. A lot of games and no stats, so this suks. Sad !
This is test period so there is so many leavers cuz ban duration is low. But when new season start (in few days) ban duration will increse and there will be less leavers.
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really i dont like this new bots and system sux..
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ok can someone tell me how many days are banned a leaver ? or we talk about on minutes here? like banned for 5 minutes?
look at this game http://playdota.eu/stats/game/6342/ap-mode-eu-2 (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/6342/ap-mode-eu-2)
peenis leave in min 24 and bot say is banned... but no, is not banned so .. when bot ban a player is banning for one second or what? i realy dont understand this system of bannig
is starting a new season? at least tell us so we dont lose timee on this season... i lost my all free day and when i lose my idiots teammate dosn't leave to be draw for me and when i win there are tards there who leave so its draw i dont win.. its realy sucks.. i lose my time and i dont get that fuckin psr
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People patience it is testing period bans are set to minutes instead of days.Relax and test it . New season will start in few days
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New bot is good, but...
Its very stupid that games are considered a draw and no stats is recorded when left 5vs3.
2 morons leave when you pwn them and whole game is like never existed.
This doesnt make sence, plz correct this in new season!
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why did you change smth witch works good ?? This system is sux ...
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in my oppinion, all they had to do is to remove:
-test
!rmk spam
!votekick spam
!checkban spam
And to add:
host only if u have 50+ games
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New bot is good, but...
Its very stupid that games are considered a draw and no stats is recorded when left 5vs3.
2 morons leave when you pwn them and whole game is like never existed.
This doesnt make sence, plz correct this in new season!
if you are in that situation you like to be considered a lost game or draw? the game is recorded with your kills until 5vs 3 after this no record in ladder and no psr.. they don;t have what to do.. and is fair like that to be draw, 3 vs 5 no chance.. is not theyr fault cos retards leave;
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Ban would be not a problem (hope so)
But auto end game when 3 vs 5 is stupid -so was fine for me ;/
There is no cure for leavers 1min or 2weaks doesn't matter they will make new acc.
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http://playdota.eu/stats/game/4510/sdem-eu-noobs-5 (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/4510/sdem-eu-noobs-5)
can u plz tell me the reason that made this game un-counted in my stats
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02:37 (All) MeroVinci has lost the connection (connection error - ECONNRESET), MeroVinci was autobanned.
02:37 (All) This game won't affect your ladder stats, game result will be a draw.
02:37 (All) Autoban is OFF, you can now leave or continue playing for fun.
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And to add:
host only if u have 50+ games
ok but when the season starts who will be able to cr8 game ? ;D ;D ;D
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Even when there are new seasons, the DB keeps the data from previous seasons. Even if you had played 18 games on the last season; if you played 32 games on the current season that'd add up to 50 games and it'd work (thinking it'd be 50 to be able to host).
This is a pretty good idea overall.
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ok but when the season starts who will be able to cr8 game ? ;D ;D ;D
The games from last session aint deleted, they are still in database and if u had for example 49 games in previous session, and in this one u had 1, u'll be able to host.
Kapish?
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that thing when ppl leave even when its the end of the game and the game goes draw, thats the hardest bug here!
would like to see it removed!! for example
first 8 minutes who leaves games goes auto rmk
second after minute 35/40 who ever leaves the games keeps going or if one side is pushed
third autoban when new season starts ofc should be 1hour for the first time and it would be able for you to leave once in a month! so you have one joker for 30days if its some kind of emergency.
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i found bug UM<G
1 leaver + 1 dropped player = no draw and the dropped player wont get ban O_O !!!
http://playdota.eu/stats/game/8980/sd-eu-pro (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/8980/sd-eu-pro)
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I really don't know if someone mentioned this already, but the thing is about new search system in stats. When I type my nick which contains 3 letters gxm I get this: "Search term must be longer than 3 characters"
So there's no way I can find myself in stats :/
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Play a game, go to ladder games and find your game. Click on yourself.
OR
http://playdota.eu/stats/player/1/yournickname (http://playdota.eu/stats/player/1/yournickname)
Edit: 1 is for eurobattle.net, not sure about other numbers.
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After one side of any base has been pushed and destroyed game won't result in a
draw, any team is allowed to finish the game even if number of players drops to
5vs3, 4vs3 or lower.
Mid was pushed before min 36.
^^^ -- Not a bug drago, don't know why the lagger wasn't banned though.
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rly, u couldnt make anything worse
its bad bot now, its fk'd up, cant rmk, hoster can ban u for free
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I don't know where to post this to be heard.
So we now have autormk on 3v5 and leave before 5 minutes. Why the hell is no system message about that?
Its a big BUG. If it is automaticaly RMK than system massage same as in vote !rmk must be shown, don't you agree?
Another suggestion. rmk, be it voted or autormk, stats UNTIL rmk happaned should stay. Game should count as draw of course as it is already.
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I have a question
The stats we have now (during PD TEST SEASON) will they stay still after few days when the REAL SEASON will start?
answer pls
ty
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I have a question
The stats we have now (during PD TEST SEASON) will they stay still after few days when the REAL SEASON will start?
answer pls
ty
Stats will be reseted when ''real'' season starts
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Everything is fine, i like the new stats and rating system, but u really should put ban back to 3 or 5 days for leavers, because the only way to finish a gam eis to lose it. As soon as we are about to win, some1 leaves in the other team, and the game doesnt record stats, and the leavaer goes unpunished
that needs to be fixed asap, cause its just wrong
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Play a game, go to ladder games and find your game. Click on yourself.
OR
http://playdota.eu/stats/player/1/yournickname (http://playdota.eu/stats/player/1/yournickname)
Edit: 1 is for eurobattle.net, not sure about other numbers.
Thanks, that pretty much solves the problem =]
But anyways it would be easier to just type those 3 letters in search bar instead of modifying hyperlink.
I don't get why it can't be enough with 3 characters like it was before O_o ?
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Hi all, not that i want to complaint about the bot but i think it is too severe with the draws. I mean, if someone rage-quits because he looses hardly than its draw, or they have a team of 3 and decide to leave, draw again. Honestly, till now I've played 11 games from which 6 were draws. I think the other system of draw only if rmk was better.
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i found bug UM<G
1 leaver + 1 dropped player = no draw and the dropped player wont get ban O_O !!!
http://playdota.eu/stats/game/8980/sd-eu-pro (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/8980/sd-eu-pro)
Its not a bug, you have destoryed 3d sentinel tover and you have destroyed rax.
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the 'draw' system should be changed for few reasons....
First of all it always (nearly always) punishes a winning team. Lets be honest, players leave in a losing team 99% of the time, so that draw automatically becomes a saviour for the rest of losing team and a 'punishment' for 5 players that did nothing wrong and were winning so far...
Of course, some players might just lose connection (but thats what gproxy is for) and even if they dont use it, a possibility that two players will lose connection (added the fact that they must be in the same team) is very close to 0
In my opinion the 'under 5min rule' should stay, however autoban must be OFF at that point, so you only play for fun.
3v5 - draw should be removed, because of the reasons stated above, a team with 3 players nearly always was already losing a game, however Autoban should be OFF at that point so that everyone can leave (mainly those 3 players who dont stand a chance) and the rest can finish of the match quickly
You might say that its unfair for those 3 players, but as I said before they were probably losing anyway, and they would have lost even if those didnt leave...
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About draw thing, either you guys will make time limit like if there are leavers under min 30 game will result in draw, but after 30min even if there is 999999999 leavers game stats will be saved, if you gonna leave it like its now then im sorry to say that but you guys are plain dumb... Im tired of playing 1h games not being saved cause of mass leavers...
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only thing i would change in this system is that !sd should count all the games (but not test and wtf games) even draw,
since this new system is good for guys who want to pump their ladder score. there is still some of us who give a shit about ladder, and just play for fun, but still want to know if someone has good stats since his psr doesn't tell me that and he can play ladder games with his team and have good !sd that way.
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Hi there,
I want only point to one thing. In my opinion there is a BIG mistake in this new system and it was in older one, too. In unbalanced games (4v5, 3v4 etc.), there is a lesser chance to win for one team, as you know. So, what about this: When one player leaves it should be closed game with no result - DRAW. It might be much better than now. Many people will like it because unbalanced games are not allways so funny and correct.
Thanks.
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About 3vs5 situation, we have already new command for that called forfeit. If someone leave after 30 min, they still vote for ff. In that way, game results and stats saved. After that, losing team can leave. We don't need 3vs5 draw thing.
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I know that you maybe cant understand it, but at last look at official dota league (www.dota-league.com (http://www.dota-league.com)). There is rule, that 4v5 game is not closed, but team with less players dont even get -points only if they win and team with more players +points for win and -points for lose. This might be interesting, doesnt it?
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I know that you maybe cant understand it, but at last look at official dota league (www.dota-league.com (http://www.dota-league.com)). There is rule, that 4v5 game is not closed, but team with less players dont even get -points only if they win and team with more players +points for win and -points for lose. This might be interesting, doesnt it?
i agree if its 4v5 and team with 5 players win they don't get points and team with 4 don't lose, but in other situation they get or lose as they would if 5v5
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Man this thing sucks...
I'v played like 40 min then 1 noob for the sentinel leaves, afther 2 min anotherone drops..
And i played like 40 min for shit...This isn't good, and if 1 player from sentinel leave, afther one from the scourge, stats will be shit too?
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people can't you w8 ...now it is test nearly will be more better then you think just you need "patience"
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nicknames arent red when someone is banned ( on stats site )
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I know that you maybe cant understand it, but at last look at official dota league (www.dota-league.com (http://www.dota-league.com)). There is rule, that 4v5 game is not closed, but team with less players dont even get -points only if they win and team with more players +points for win and -points for lose. This might be interesting, doesnt it?
i agree if its 4v5 and team with 5 players win they don't get points and team with 4 don't lose, but in other situation they get or lose as they would if 5v5
team with 4 don't lose? if it's like that that is totally unacceptable. must change immediately. 4v5 doesn't mean 4 player team is weak.
and "so" must come back. i heard when the ancients destroyed, the game is saving the stats. destroyed ancients doesn' mean this team is weak too.
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PLEASE, Remove !ff. I cant play a game over 25 mins, unless if im not in the losing team, then i just dont ff.
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btw is it possible to add to the dota command : .dotapub / .dotapriv / .dotaprivobs / .dotapubobs
its not needed but you could add it xD
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btw is it possible to add to the dota command : .dotapub / .dotapriv / .dotaprivobs / .dotapubobs
its not needed but you could add it xD
u mad bro?
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!balance <---- nice command added
no more -so (Switch On)
no more -unlock (Ingame Command)
that rocks !
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!balance <---- nice command added
no more -so (Switch On)
no more -unlock (Ingame Command)
that rocks !
yeah, nice ;D
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Can someone be so kind and post the EXACT rules for draw. IMO that kind of thing MUST be public.
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Can someone be so kind and post the EXACT rules for draw. IMO that kind of thing MUST be public.
Agree im still not sure about that 5v3 rmk thing rax destroyed or not etc
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And also lol the win/lose points rule i though i finaly got it, thantype in simulator:
http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/page,game_simulator.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/page,game_simulator.html)
the folowing stuff:
first: second:
1800 1600 1800 1600
1600 1600 1700 1600
1600 1600 1600 1600
1600 1600 1600 1600
1600 1600 1600 1600
1800 gets +0/-0 1800 gets +1/-0
WTF!?!
1. His team was changed with somone better and he GAINED points?!?
2. Why is his win point bigger than lose point if his team has higher average. ONLY HIM WRONG, other team members right ratio. I THOUGH RATIO IS FIXED UPON WIN CHANCES(it should be)
Conclusion:
When you get high enough that you have every game the highest point in team your win/lose ratio sudenly is always higher for win! So that even if you win 50% of games you will still gain points. And that is talking abaut people who have 80-90% ratio.
So basicly when you get higher your chances of getting even higher INCREASE. That is in the contrast of the new system filosofy as being the system that calculates actual skill upon won games. Catch up is indeed working, but it is not enough, get away is a bug in my opinion, surely the designers did not intencionaly make it!?!
What matematichian wrote the algoritm? I study phisics/mathematics myself. If i take myself a few days on the issue, i can surly create algorithm with no get away efect.
System still rocks of course!, just lame such sopisticated algoritem was made and one such important thing left out on mistake/purpuse.
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You ruined the game with! FF command and autoban. Now you cant finish 1 of 10 games, people do not even try to turn game if they are losing, they just immediately surrender, admins what is fun in that? Old bots worked perfectly, now autoban ban them all and those whos net broke, comp restarts ...I will install my old Ghost and host over it, this is crap.
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You ruined the game with! FF command and autoban. Now you cant finish 1 of 10 games, people do not even try to turn game if they are losing, they just immediately surrender, admins what is fun in that? Old bots worked perfectly, now autoban ban them all and those whos net broke, comp restarts ...I will install my old Ghost and host over it, this is crap.
No man, new bot is good, i just hate it cus -so games dont count in ladder.
If you are loosing, and there is no chance for you to win, why would you keep playing? Forfeit nobody suffers.
Autoban is also good. It prevents host from not banning friends, etc... And on old bot, when host leaves, he doesnt get ban...
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You ruined the game with! FF command and autoban. Now you cant finish 1 of 10 games, people do not even try to turn game if they are losing, they just immediately surrender, admins what is fun in that? Old bots worked perfectly, now autoban ban them all and those whos net broke, comp restarts ...I will install my old Ghost and host over it, this is crap.
No man, new bot is good, i just hate it cus -so games dont count in ladder.
If you are loosing, and there is no chance for you to win, why would you keep playing? Forfeit nobody suffers.
Autoban is also good. It prevents host from not banning friends, etc... And on old bot, when host leaves, he doesnt get ban...
I realy dont care about the leadder this is just game.
Ppl dont forfeit just when they are losing they forfeit when it is tide!!
We waste time playing games what is wast in waiting 5min to finish game?
Autoban ban all ppl, who will play then we all lost cone some time.
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Lol NOONE forfeits when tide IMO. Couse at least one in team if not all care abaut psr, that meanst untill there is only small chance he wins he wont forfeit.
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Can you just clarify one thing for me? Ill give an example of the last game i played: http://playdota.eu/stats/game/1697999/sdpdeypros-min-1560-3 (http://playdota.eu/stats/game/1697999/sdpdeypros-min-1560-3)
Now, to my knowledge and some common sense, the player of the losing team with the highest psr should lose the most points right? So how is it that its completely the other way around, the lowest ranking player loses the most, while the highest ranking one loses ony a few?
Im sorry if this has already been discussed somewhere, but i didnt find anything anywhere, just want some info..
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This is because when someone has played a lot of games and have higher points has a PSR variation lower. I mean that, while more games you have, less points you win/lose. I know this system has issues but, it's difficult to make an ELO's Team. ELO is easy when it's 1vs1 but not 5vs5, and obviously we will be always in test phase because ELO in team will be changed a lot of times.
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What about leaving at 3v5 in non -so games? When 2 of your teammates feed then leave, game becomes 3v5, still u get ban if u leave.
Not to mention it's not your fault for losing that game (and psr) if u are in leavers team. It's just not fair to end up in a situation like that.
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What about leaving at 3v5 in non -so games? When 2 of your teammates feed then leave, game becomes 3v5, still u get ban if u leave.
If you leave a 3v5 game you won't get ban because autoban is off when 2 players from same team leave.
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is anywere i can find old sesion? i need dl one battle from there...
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Can anyone tell me if kills/denys/broke towers etc affect PSR or this shits affect only stats.I mean if my team win and i had 0/0/0 at heroes at 0/0/0 at mobs and 0 towers down (this is an example:)) i get the same points as if i made 8/3/6 at heroes and 45/10/12 at mobs??
Because form game simulator this results,is matters only if u win or loose and what average of psr had opposite team and not how many kills or deny u made.
Thank u.
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I mean if my team win and i had 0/0/0 at heroes at 0/0/0 at mobs and 0 towers down (this is an example:)) i get the same points as if i made 8/3/6 at heroes and 45/10/12 at mobs??
Yes, you get the same points regardless of your score.
Because PSR gain/loss is counted before the game even begun, so your in-game score doesnt affect you gain/loss PSR.
I hope you understood me :)
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Understood, thanks mate:)