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Title: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: Baldrick on December 11, 2010, 14:45
So,there is been a quite a rumble around these internet site (for all of you that dont know the full story,Wikileaks is a site that post all these secret diplomatical documents about various countries,most of them are american,for more information :

Oh also:

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What do you think about it :
Are the sites authors Heroes of the free press and Liberty or are they endangering a lot of people?
Is this global happening that will change the history (at least a bit) or just a same old yellow and sensationalistic press?
And for all those conspiracy theorist : is this a action of the independent press,or is it started and founded by a secret powerful entity?
Last but not least,how did it affected your country?

I am ,as you can see, from Serbia.Serbia was mentioned around 2500 times in the documents that are released so far.Most of these is about Kosovo,and our Association of Journalists of Serbia (Udruzenje novinara Srbije) backed up the Wikileaks site.
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: Domagoj on December 11, 2010, 15:03
Id say its a good thing, since it reveals what America really is doing (although everyone with some common sense knows what they have been doing for years now). Now, i dont think it will change the course of history or anything, because America has already started doing everything they can to shut the site and to shut up its operators.
As for the conspiracy theory thingie, that secret powerful entity youre talking about is probably on America's side.
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: vaikiss on December 11, 2010, 15:08
id say this is not my business and im not giving a shit about it
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: Baldrick on December 11, 2010, 15:18
I tried to imagine what the powerful thingie might be.Are the Americans doing it them selves (for short therm loss,but long therm gain) or some enemy of America.
But,if you look at history,its full of powerful nations,entities,governments,and thing-a-ma-jigs (more or less secret) that try pursue their interests. 
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: Baldrick on December 11, 2010, 15:21
id say this is not my business and im not giving a shit about it
Vaikiss - an agent of the powerful entity :)

I know, i did not give a damn about it.But my professor talked about it, so i looked little into it. 
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: joyjoy on December 11, 2010, 15:38
imo its one of a lot of steps which America does, the States do this sort of things to cover some their garbage stuff, world see now this but it miss some dirt which America wants to hide
ex. why war in Iraque or Afganistan? not political only covering that they wanted oil ;) but all the world know but cant proof it and a lot of people say that 9-11-01 was an American idea, I dunno maybe an opinion of old freaks but I'd be surprised  ;D
theres a lot of shit in land of american dream ;)
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: V1ndex on December 11, 2010, 17:57
Every state has CIA(like agency) and secret documents and to all of them there are similar opinions like those from USA secret documents...
Posting them is bad since som1 can use them as a reason for war... and you get WW3 and it'll be vaikiss problem since the normal population will suffer not those who started war and wrote those documents.

You can see the world divided from here Communist are vs USA they want to be World superpower and whoever has problem with the USA are with the Communist ; Ex:(Serbia is going towards China cus USA wants independent state Kosovo (the reason is it will be their political fail of the decade , not for human right's), then the states in the Mideast  which got stormed from USA troops go towards allying China, Russia is staying neutral since has nothing against with  Eu but againts USA( cold war arose from USA getting the credits for Hitlers fall but in fact the ones that suffered and won the war were the Russian and GB soldiers.
Eu doesn't want for Communist to be superpower and they stick to USA.

And the secret documents can be used by random terrorist who have Hitler as a Idol and start the WW3 in which case will be fried from nukes.
In any case there's everywhere idiots; I explain them by this quote ''Why do people who know the least know it the loudest''

21century motto : ''I fight for what I believe in. I am a mercenary, and I believe in money''

My opinion for you ''Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive''
Opinion for Wikileaks:   A good thing, but they shouldn't post some documents that can be used by  wannabe terrorists. ( if you've read one document is about building that USA from terrorist and the reason is to protect the world economy) those building shouldn't have been posted  they can be targeted

P.S I got bored and thought of posting hope you actually read all this philosophy :)
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: V1ndex on December 11, 2010, 18:01
And store as much chocolate if you love them; the cacaos production has decreased allot this decade while it is wanted more and more in cacao industries.
Soon it's value net might sky rock   ;D
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: Baldrick on December 11, 2010, 19:28
Well after reading this,i must agree with you V1ndex.Not with everything,but a good part.I agree that they should post just some secrets (bribery,corruption,individual staff...) but certainly not a secret that could start a WW3  :'( .
About that war,i TRY SO HARD to bee an optimist ,and not to believe that it would happen in our lifetime.Yes i am selfish,but i and all of my generation,1988.,had a really hard childhood (embargo,inflation,poverty,wars,bombarding,mass unemployment...(btw thing are not getting better)),and i would like that for the rest of my life to have AT LEAST peaceful (read NOT TO RICH) period.

And yeah thanks for the cacao tip.My favorite sweet (Toto) is with chocolate,so as soon i get my last student loan payment,its off to the mega-market.
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: Domagoj on December 11, 2010, 20:25
Im also generation 88, and Croatian, so i understand what youre talking about, but then again, when you talk about secrets that could start the 3rd world war, i dont agree with you completely. Because America is obviously trying to become world's supreme ruler, and thats not some paranoic conspiracy theory talk, its a fact, so ww3 is inevitable, sooner or later, russia, china, america, they will start it. And thats why i believe that secrets should be revealed, maybe not every single secret, but then again it is very sattisfying seeing america, the world law enforcer, the so called "good guys" that break every rule and every war convention squirming.
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: ArizaelCZ on December 11, 2010, 23:54
Well there haven't been anything extra scandalous. Just somem classic diplomatic reports - no corruption, no capital treason, no nothing.

Playdota.eu guarantees 99% safety againts wiki-leaks. Our internal information are secured
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: mrNiceguy on December 12, 2010, 01:22
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paranoic conspiracy theory talk

All above was just the thing I have quote.

Peace.
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: osiguranje on December 12, 2010, 02:45
some expert told about Ratko Mladic and to have some confidential documents of his location.
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: Baldrick on December 12, 2010, 02:47
Im also generation 88, and Croatian, so i understand what youre talking about...

Yeah i also beleave that ww3 is inevitable,i just wish a little peace in my lifetime.And i think that the american people are the first line of defense against plans of the american government  for the world.If they cant stop them then...


Playdota.eu guarantees 99% safety againts wiki-leaks. Our internal information are secured

Oh good,cuz i saved my butcheak mole picture on pd.eu (its shaped like Mathew Perry) :)

All above was just the thing I have quote.
Peace.

Well i posted these topic for conspiracy theorist as-well,but these is centrally not that kind of topic.


I heard about that,about Ratko Mladic  mentioning in the documents.
 
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: IllusionisT on December 12, 2010, 18:53
Every state has CIA(like agency) and secret documents and to all of them there are similar opinions like those from USA secret documents...
Posting them is bad since som1 can use them as a reason for war... and you get WW3 and it'll be vaikiss problem since the normal population will suffer not those who started war and wrote those documents.

You can see the world divided from here Communist are vs USA they want to be World superpower and whoever has problem with the USA are with the Communist ; Ex:(Serbia is going towards China cus USA wants independent state Kosovo (the reason is it will be their political fail of the decade , not for human right's), then the states in the Mideast  which got stormed from USA troops go towards allying China, Russia is staying neutral since has nothing against with  Eu but againts USA( cold war arose from USA getting the credits for Hitlers fall but in fact the ones that suffered and won the war were the Russian and GB soldiers.
Eu doesn't want for Communist to be superpower and they stick to USA.

And the secret documents can be used by random terrorist who have Hitler as a Idol and start the WW3 in which case will be fried from nukes.
In any case there's everywhere idiots; I explain them by this quote ''Why do people who know the least know it the loudest''

21century motto : ''I fight for what I believe in. I am a mercenary, and I believe in money''

My opinion for you ''Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive''
Opinion for Wikileaks:   A good thing, but they shouldn't post some documents that can be used by  wannabe terrorists. ( if you've read one document is about building that USA from terrorist and the reason is to protect the world economy) those building shouldn't have been posted  they can be targeted

P.S I got bored and thought of posting hope you actually read all this philosophy :)

yea RIGHT.
(tsssssss -.-)
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: Baldrick on December 12, 2010, 19:13
Ok people,i as a author of this topic gota take matters in my own hands.

We have argued about a lot of important things so far,but i am afraid that we are slowly getting into a political,and (i am afraid) eventually we will get into a nationalistic argument.

So i call upon a moderator or administrator to keep an watchful eye on this topic,and erase or something, replies kind of mentioned above.

Also i will apply to all that want to post some reply to write only about the things that i wrote in my opening reply.

Thanks
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: Domagoj on December 12, 2010, 19:57
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paranoic conspiracy theory talk

All above was just the thing I have quote.

Peace.

Why would it be? They play police all across the world just to get some more oil and so that their military production flourishes, disregarding the casualties, but through economy is how they are affecting the world the most. They own almost everything everywhere, and yes, they are in debt, but who is gonna tell them "hey America, give me my money back or im gonna shoot you in the face"? They produced the recent economic crisis, they are fiddling with every current issue in the world. Say what you want, but it is true.

Well there haven't been anything extra scandalous. Just somem classic diplomatic reports - no corruption, no capital treason, no nothing.
Yeah, but i think that there are about 109.000 deaths documented in those documents. I guess a good deal of them isnt very justifiable, considering what the Americans are and have been doing in Afganistan and Iraq.
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: ArizaelCZ on December 12, 2010, 22:21
Yeah, but i think that there are about 109.000 deaths documented in those documents. I guess a good deal of them isnt very justifiable, considering what the Americans are and have been doing in Afganistan and Iraq.

You realize the funny fact, that organization openly supported by Afghanistan goverment killed much more Americans for just no reason?
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: Astrinos on December 12, 2010, 22:22
id say this is not my business and im not giving a shit about it

Then why do you keep posting? You wanna reach some number of posts in pd forum? I really don't get it
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: Domagoj on December 12, 2010, 22:24
Yeah, but i think that there are about 109.000 deaths documented in those documents. I guess a good deal of them isnt very justifiable, considering what the Americans are and have been doing in Afganistan and Iraq.

You realize the funny fact, that organization openly supported by Afghanistan goverment killed much more Americans for just no reason?

Talking about talibans? They didnt kill nowhere near a 100.000 Americans, and most of those they killed were killed while invading afghanistan (in a totaly unfair war, them with helicopters, heat seeking missiles, night visions and whatnot, and afghani tribesmen with ak-47 and some rpgs as their most advanced weapons)
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: V1ndex on December 13, 2010, 00:07
even thou many people say that main reason USA attack IRAQ is because of oil, I don't believe it since they lost more money on the upkeep for army and etc. things in there, than the money they got from oil.
And that is what caused economy crises and the dollar from being the second most powerful value in the world
fell down( don't know current position ) in the world but the difference is huge...
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: Domagoj on December 13, 2010, 00:56
even thou many people say that main reason USA attack IRAQ is because of oil, I don't believe it since they lost more money on the upkeep for army and etc. things in there, than the money they got from oil.
And that is what caused economy crises and the dollar from being the second most powerful value in the world
fell down( don't know current position ) in the world but the difference is huge...

You must take into account that American economy is hugely based on weapon production, so it is their interest to wage a few wars every now and then.
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: yaphets_ on December 13, 2010, 07:32
Wikileaks are protected with the biggest hackers in the world named: <annon Hackers> they have a group on Twitter...
Title: Re: Wikileaks - a penny for your thoughts
Post by: ek0 on December 13, 2010, 07:34
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