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General Section => Suggestion Board => Topic started by: NEGERTIVS on November 18, 2010, 10:10
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In continuation of http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,30874.0.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,30874.0.html), which was closed (for a retarded reason), I would like to reply to night_must_fall:
Negertivs, dont flame others if u find their post inconvenient, so ur officially warned for that.
Also your lack of respect towards the staff wont be neglected anymore, and not just the staff but towards any user here, especially contributors. All of your accusations were dismissed ,u have got ur answer , case closed.
On topic, i said in one of my previous posts , that i will ban every single host that bans without logic. No further explanation is needed here. This will be locked soon.
I didnt find any official warning in my inbox yet, perhaps you should look into that, its a great opportunity to pump up your e-penis!
My lack of respect for YOU and SOME members of the staff/contributors/whatever can be easily explained: you don't deserve it. You can't force people to respect you, just like you can't force people to vote !rmk. You tried making people "respect" you nonetheless, by acting like a jackass in lobbies, whispering people with veiled threats, and being extremely biased in your ban policy (banning my brother for whisper harassing, while it was in fact YOU harassing me, is another perfect example of this). It didn't work out so well, did it? I think the vast majority of the community already knows your true colours, but unfortunately the people who have the power to actually do something against it, or at least investigate properly, choose to turn a blind eye.
"Bans without logic"? In my OP I clearly explained why this ban made perfect sense to me, and I think I have made a good case for at least considering a change in the rules. That was the point of the post. I specifically said that it wasnt an unban request. You don't rule this bot by divine right, there is a rules forum to complain and make suggestions about the rules. I did. "ban without logic joo argument invalid, lock" is not a good justification for closing this topic. And you know it. You just want to silence people so you can be merrily on your way to your next power abuse incident. Just because YOU disagree with ME doesnt give you the right to silence me, have me banned for "insulting" or otherwise. As a mod you should know this. Maybe it's time you learned.
PerverzniUm pm'ed me that he was banned for "insulting" by making a one line post in the previous topic. Don't you think this "hotbarbeque" character deserves at least a warn for spamming no less than 3 times in that same topic? Another example of a biased ban policy.
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Since your rule suggestion thread was closed for god knows what purpose, im going to write here. I must say that I like the suggestion, and would propose that you make a poll regarding an introduction of such a set of rules, I believe that the big majority of this forum would suport it.
Also, totally agree with everything you said about this mod, acting like hes god ingame, demanding respect he didnt deserve etc. Its all there.
And btw,closing the thread wihout any reason whatsoever; just lame.
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Thanks domagoj, I've already pm'ed a mod asking if the topic can be reopened. I think it's just too childish for words to have a forum for discussion on rules, and then closing all topics with actual suggestions for what reason? I can only guess.
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+1 thx
was busy at work ,
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You want to say to the owner of this thing what he and his moderators can and what can not do? And above all you are not even contributors. o.O
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?
What do you think that we cant ban your ip and track all of your nicknames if you made mistake? You are wrong, we can do that in like second but we rarely doing that cause we think that everyone (except MHckers) deserve second chance.
Instead of beeing thankful that he gave you bot where you can play without any lag and where you can host when ever you want, and where no one cant kick you or end the game wihtout enough votes to do that, you are raging at moderator who banned you with good reason.
You are funny boyzzz indeed!
If you dont like to play here, you are free to go to play on gangrena, rgc or anywhere else.
From now on I will ban anyone from forum who insult contributor here.
Rules are rdy and they will not be that much different than those you can see at the moment.
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I ve played couple of games with night_must_fall usualy as random pubber. I've NEVER seen him being rude on anybody without reason. My experience regarding banning/unbanning is also very good with him. On the other hand Negertives is spending most of his forum time insulting other people an breaking the rules MULTIPLE times. So when you get banned for that do not cry.
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Ring ring! Anybody home up there? Who do I think I am? Someone with a valid complaint and/or a rule suggestion. Did you see the word suggestion? Im not telling anybody what to do. Do you think it's a good idea for the mods to run about randomly banning people because it suits them and threatening people? Because I dont. That's my opinion, I am entitled to it. Unless this forum is based in North Korea.
It's funny how all kinds of facilities have been provided to discuss and suggest changes to rules and/or provide feedback, but as soon as somebody comes along with an actual complaint or suggestion they are dismissed for the most ludicrous reasons. Especially "WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE" is a hilarious reaction to a complaint and suggestion about the rules in a forum meant to discuss and suggest rules.
Why not just remove the rules and feedback sections? At least then PD wouldnt be as hypocritical as it is now. Why even bother to try and make good suggestions for the community when all one gets is flame and retarded dismissions?
LOL seriously are you publicly threatening me? For what reason? Speaking out against all the obvious mod abuse and mod corruption around here? I think you have just proven my point! In about 95% of gaming communities you'd be in big trouble for making such a rediculous threat. But not here I guess. Are the standards here really that low?
Im thankful to the owner of this bot for providing it. It really is great. I would be thankful to you, if only youd actually do your job properly. But you dont. So no, I dont think I owe you any thanks. Sorry.
Aaand another ninja-ban threat. Well done. If this were any other gaming community you'd be demoted on the spot. I've checked some of this guy's posts and they all seem to be useless and offtopic one-liners. What exactly is it that this guy has that contributes? Bandwidth usage? Post statistics? If someone makes retarded and offtopic comments in a topic that I posted, I will call him a retard no matter who he is. Oh and I specifically remember a mod to have the following line in his signature: "calling someone a retard isnt an insult, it's a classification." and I agree.
You made some big promises with the new rules. Am I to understand that they will suck at least nearly as much as the ones in place now? Because I think at least we all unanimously agree that they are vague, absolute, incomplete and sometimes even completely illogical.
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What exactly is it that this guy has that contributes? Bandwidth usage? Post statistics?
Hahaha
haha
(2-liners FTW)
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And another warn/ban for spamming methinks?
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Why is it so hard for you guys to just objectively look at NEGERTIVS' suggestion? He's not trying to get anyone banned or unbanned, he's just trying to get a ridiculous rule changed that allows mods to ban hosts for banning leavers (lol).
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Since your rule suggestion thread was closed for god knows what purpose, im going to write here. I must say that I like the suggestion, and would propose that you make a poll regarding an introduction of such a set of rules, I believe that the big majority of this forum would suport it.
Also, totally agree with everything you said about this mod, acting like hes god ingame, demanding respect he didnt deserve etc. Its all there.
And btw,closing the thread wihout any reason whatsoever; just lame.
its just they are not able to give a better asnw or explanation cos its outside of their possibilities, all they can do is ask more questions and give more not answered questions. and if u hit the nail they just close the thread and gg. ofc there are some exceptions but .... and as i can see ur getting ignored here Neg
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Well I have to admit it's typically PD again.
Insert logical arguments ------> get manure in return at a 100% conversion rate. A well oiled machine. This statement isnt originally mine but it's just brilliant.
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Hotbbq style:ahaha lol nooa thread
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Hosts are wrong 30% of time when banning "leavers", like in these cases :
- banning for D/C during the game loading is stupid : need to explain why?
- banning for leaving when there are enough votes for RMK, or at 5v3, 5v2, and so on
- banning for whatever reason... when the throne is falling
- banning for D/C someone who laggs out but is pwning
If you dont threaten hosts for abusively using the !ban toy, you'll get twice unban requests as there already is every day on the forum.
Negertivs, you can insult me as much as you want. You can even insult my mommy who has already gone thru all the srbija's insults dictionnary. Just dont point out the fact that im contributor, cause contributors are giving cash so you can enjoy a free server. And you'll unleash the kraken's wrath in the name of MNG[666]
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So why is this thread opened?
In your first post you reffer to this (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,30874.0.html) topic. And there you wanted a discussion for the ban before creeps spawn and before the game ends?
Why is it a warn?
It is a warn because some pople have bad connection and other problems and often disconnect during the loading screen. I wouldn't give a warn for this, but to prevent leavers at 0:00 in every second game, the rule has benn made like this. First time only a warn, second time - ban.
Why is the host banned?
I don't know why should a player that never broke a rule before be forced to go to the forum and write an unban request, just because some random host was angry and decided to ban him for nothing.
An other thing is what hotbarbecue said. If there was no ban for abuse on the !ban command, the unban requests will be doubled.
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If they have lame connection why they r playing mp games and wasting time of other players as i said before if u cant ban plugers make them bannable by request only like before
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If they have lame connection why they r playing mp games and wasting time of other players as i said before if u cant ban plugers make them bannable by request only like before
Yes, I agree that such players should be banned, only if they join and ruin many games.
But if it happened only once, I don't know why should the host waste your time writing an unban request.
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Personaly i dont have much patience so if it takes 20 mins in lobby to start obviously that il ban guy who wasted 20+ mins of mine and 8 other players
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Personaly i dont have much patience so if it takes 20 mins in lobby to start obviously that il ban guy who wasted 20+ mins of mine and 8 other players
Agreed. If you have a shitty con, or get disconnected by coincidence, and you ruin the lobby time for 9 other players the least you can do to make up for this is post an unban request for yourself.
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What do you think that we cant ban your ip and track all of your nicknames if you made mistake? You are wrong, we can do that in like second but we rarely doing that cause we think that everyone (except MHckers) deserve second chance.
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From now on I will ban anyone from forum who insult contributor here.
Welcome in China everyone!
PS Edit: Sorry for doublepost.
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If they have lame connection why they r playing mp games and wasting time of other players as i said before if u cant ban plugers make them bannable by request only like before
Yes, I agree that such players should be banned, only if they join and ruin many games.
But if it happened only once, I don't know why should the host waste your time writing an unban request.
Guy, if you agree that a bad connection is something the player should be held accountable for, then why don't you let us ban them? They can still post unban requests so if it's their first time, they can get an unban. But at least this way all cases of leaving are recorded.
I don't think it's fair to force a host to post a warn request to get a lagger punished for ruining games.
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Repeating myself again ek0:
A player's connection and computer configuration should be his responsibility. Ofcourse it's the player's fault if he expects to play dota with videocard drivers from '94 and a 64k isdn or an 8 euro/month crappy ADSL conn and then drops. A bad connection or bad equipment is a players own fault.
Now I'm not even opposed to giving a warn for a first offense, shit happens. The rules don't say anywhere that a disconnect is a valid reason for leaving. So it all comes down to interpretation of a rule that is not vague at all: players must not leave. Even though this player might not leave deliberately, he is still a leaver, and he is still responsible for ruining the game for nine other people. So let's look at the two options we have for dealing with this kind of leaver:
Option 1: The host or one of the other players whose game he just ruined have to take an extra 5 or more minutes (in addition to the 15 minutes it already cost them) to post a banrequest for him, sometimes even only for a warn.
Option 2: Have the leaver go through the trouble of requesting an unban, making him see that he in fact did ruin a game for 9 other people, and encouraging him to improve his connection, hardware, or configuration.
So would you rather make the host or one of the other players make a banrequest, thereby punishing them for this player's failure to have the adequate equipment? It's his own responsibility, if anyone should go through extra trouble, it's him. Also, what host or player would make an entire banrequest just for a warn? This way early leavers won't ever be punished at all, because who would bother?
Also: hotbbq said "threatening people for ban abuse bans", not actually banning them. Ofcourse having a rule against ban abuse is necessary and important. Threatening people with bans however is absolutely retarded and unneeded.
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@hotbarbecue: Ohhh so that's what a "contributor" is. Since you have zero actual content to contribute I shouldve known it was about cash. So if I spend like 10 euro's I'll get complete immunity from the rules and I can get people banned when they get annoyed as I spam them? Sounds like a good investment for trollin', which seems to be what you are doing. It also sounds like corruption. Please keep "yo momma" and your serbian insult dictionary, don't need either of them.
Half your post was not relevant, the other half has already been addressed in previous posts.
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Tracking ips? Baseless ban threats? Giving people rule immunity for money? Welcome to DPR Korea indeed.
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+1
i love this man
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Make it +2 now lets w8 for the replay of goverment
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we r going to jail if that happens...
Btw,dont pick up the soap,i heared ppl who do that will be punished...
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Negertivs has a point there, why should it be so hard for the banned player who disconnected during loadscreen to waste a minute or two to write an unban report, if there were 9 people who probably lost at least 10 minutes just to rmk the game at beginning. I also got banned two times (it think) last month, when i was having some problems with the ISP. Wrote an unban request, and in half an hour i was able to play again. Problem solved, no hard feelings, no need to ban the host. Ban abuse, in my opinion is valid in situations where host bans a player that excuses himself before leaving, or has the approval of the rest of the players.
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+ i agree on all points
oh i wanted to add , one more thing about rmk/host game.
for example a game has been hosted 15 min in game and host leav wut to do now?
1. before it was able to !setowner player name and ban him now not any more = was great option in my opinion
2. u go www.playdota.eu (http://www.playdota.eu) and make a ban request to get him banned but there is a disadvantage in this who has the will to do it and / who will remember to do it, takes to long when ur allrdy pissed cos that mfo left
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So conclusion: we need "plugers" 2 be banned by request only and !owner comand when host leaves
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NEGERTIVS you talk alot!!!....
Youre target is to spamming here.....
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NEGERTIVS you talk alot!!!....
Youre target is to spamming here.....
go to google and read what spam is nab
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hes not spamming at all...
And leavers at loading,pluggers,dcers have to be banned by host.they ruined the game,wasted the time of the others.
When host leaves is almost a must to post a ban req.just copy/paste it from a txt doc where u changed the main things(ur nick,server,etc,etc)change names and post it.2 min
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NEGERTIVS you talk alot!!!....
Youre target is to spamming here.....
go to google and read what spam is nab
I want to ask you same question! i know what is spam and you should read in google what is it you will take a lesence...
hes not spamming at all...
And leavers at loading,pluggers,dcers have to be banned by host.they ruined the game,wasted the time of the others.
When host leaves is almost a must to post a ban req.just copy/paste it from a txt doc where u changed the main things(ur nick,server,etc,etc)change names and post it.2 min
Agreed but when they respond and give him answer he keep answering and explaining...and that's called typing without any knowledge :/
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@NEGERTIVS:
I don't know why do you think that every player that disconnects has a DSL connection and disconnects every game he plays.
Then why do we need a !ban command? Lets auto ban every player that leaves the game (independant of the reason they left).
The rule is made enough clear. If you leave, you'll be banned for a week. If you leave before creeps spawn or if you leave before the game ends, you'll get a warn. If you unplug, you'll be banned for 10 days. If you disconnect due to connection problems, you'll be unbanned without anything.
@PerverzniUm:
There is a reason that the !owner command is no longer used for taking owner after the host has left.
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Actually you'll find that you are the one spamming here. Who is off-topic here? You. Who's making useless statements here (get "google lesence" people QUICK!)? Oh WAIT, it's you. I "spam" because I "talk a lot"? Wut? Typing without knowledge? Perhaps you should read the rules and reconsider that statement.
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erm ek0, I never said that. I said that if you have a crappy connection, then you are more likely to disconnect, thus making it your fault.
Yes, I agree that such players should be banned, only if they join and ruin many games.
In the above statement you already said you agreed to this, right? The rules are quite clear yes, a leaver is a leaver, where is this "rule" that allows people to disconnect? Because it doesnt seem to exist in my space-time continuüm. Please quote it for me litterally, from the ingame rules section.
The point of debate was if it could be possible to not punish the host for this leaver/disconnecter by actually making the one who ruined the game go through the extra trouble of requesting an unban/conversion to warn. Sigh.
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Negertivs,
since you like to type and argue a lot, please type here with quotes witch rule should be different and more clear than it is now.
Cause you have wrote some rules for moderators and that will never be accepted, since you are regular player.
Post here your opinion about rules you would like to change (but post what kind of change), and we will respond is it possible or not to implement that (well I will respond and I think ek0 will respond too).
Ok?
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NEGERTIVS you talk alot!!!....
Youre target is to spamming here.....
go to google and read what spam is nab
I want to ask you same question! i know what is spam and you should read in google what is it you will take a lesence...
hes not spamming at all...
And leavers at loading,pluggers,dcers have to be banned by host.they ruined the game,wasted the time of the others.
When host leaves is almost a must to post a ban req.just copy/paste it from a txt doc where u changed the main things(ur nick,server,etc,etc)change names and post it.2 min
Agreed but when they respond and give him answer he keep answering and explaining...and that's called typing without any knowledge :/
Hypocrite much?
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Alright mrniceguy if apparently you are not capable of converting logical arguments in a logical plea into the rule-changes that would follow logically, then sure, Ill lay it out for you kindergarten-style. I dont like "arguing" half as much as you think. I deposit logical suggestions and you return me ad-hominem manure. Please actually respond to my arguments instead of hacking away at my person, or I will be forced to call you an "unbelievable tard", because thats exactly what you'll be then.
1. If you want to be able to unban disconnecters, make a rule that allows disconnecting. You people claim that disconnecting is not a bannable offense, but there is no rule for it. Right now, according to the rules, a disconnecter is simply a leaver or even a plugger. It could be done in a number of ways, but the easiest one would be to append the "player must not leave" rule, as such:
Player must not leave;
- An unintentional disconnect does not count as leaving
There, that wasnt all that difficult, right? OR if you want to be able to punish disconnecters then leave the leaver rule as it is now, and add a punishment clause at the bottom of the rules (where for example it says "warn" for leaving before the creeps spawn): as such:
Disconnecting (before creeps spawn) Warn 1 Day ban (or whatever) 3 day ban (or whatever)
Disconnecting (after creeps spawn) No punishment 1 Day ban (or whatever) 3 day ban (or whatever)
Again, not all that difficult.
2. Now on to the rule changes resulting from my plea: I think hosts should not be bannable for banning rulebreakers. This could be done in several ways:
Appending the "ban abuse" rule would be the easiest way:
Game owner must take control of the game
- Abusing the !banlast command is not allowed.
- Banning a rulebreaker is never ban abuse.
There you have it. Banning an early disconnecter is not "ban abuse" anymore now, and rightfully so. The disconnecter can easily go to the forum, put in some extra trouble and get warned instead of banned no problem. Since he has broken a rule and ruined the game for 9 people, he should be the one to request himself an unban. Do not punish the host or the other players for his failure.
Now if you would implement a rule that allows disconnecting altogether, then this specific case would be irrelevant. But I still think this would be a very good rulechange to protect hosts with good intentions. After all a lot of the "bad host" bans are made from what I call "mod logic" instead of properly sticking to the rules. How is banning a rulebreaker ever a violation of the "bad host" or "ban abuse" rule?
And might I also add that simply allowing all disconnects would be unwise, since plugpulling and then claiming a disconnect is rediculously easy and therefore very abusable. And I am of the opinion (like I said before) that a disconnecter is liable for his own bad connection and/or hardware/software, and should therefore feel the consequences when he ruins the game for other people by disconnecting. Allowing disconnects would let these people off the hook too easily and would be abusable to the point where any plugger/loading screen leaver can claim disconnect.
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Last but not least the mod rules I suggested. Lol. Your reactions to a proposed set of rules for mods, like the ones being used all over the world and in many, many gaming communities, was so unreasonably defensive that I could hardly believe it. They are apparently NOT for PD.eu? OHNOES, a code of conduct that would make mods actually do their jobs instead of randomly ninja-banning people. I think it would be very beneficial to the entire community and as Domagoj stated before I also think it would generate a lot of support. Maybe that's why it was closed within minutes by ek0? You're scared of discussing making the conduct of mods more fair to the community, is that it?
I had a hilarious exchange of pm's with ek0 about it. Apparently there already are rules for mod behavior in place, but according to ek0 the players will not be allowed to know them! How hilarious is that! His reason for this is (and I quote, Im not sure if Im allowed to quote a pm but this line is just TOO GOOD to deprive the public of it):
"I don't have any intention to posting these moderator rules to the public, because I doubt that a player who just enters the site would care about moderators and what they do."
Can I get a LOLOLOL here? That's got to be the weakest excuse Ive ever heard, for anything. Hello?! I'm caring here! Id like to know! As would I think many players who feel a mod has abused them and who just want to know their rights. Is it that unreasonable to publish them? Is this really DPR Korea?
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Negertivs,
since you like to type and argue a lot, please type here with quotes witch rule should be different and more clear than it is now.
Cause you have wrote some rules for moderators and that will never be accepted, since you are regular player.
Post here your opinion about rules you would like to change (but post what kind of change), and we will respond is it possible or not to implement that (well I will respond and I think ek0 will respond too).
Ok?
Well, since the current rules don't adequately cover "what to do if someone discs/plugs/leaves before creepspawn", this wouldn't be about changing the rules inasmuch as it would be about making them. Personally, I think making distinctions between different types of leaver is completely arbitrary and requires hosts to make judgement calls that they can't possibly make, so I'd get rid of the whole "leaving before creepspawn rule", but seeing as you guys seem adamant about keeping it, this is how you should change your interpretation of the rules:
Stop banning hosts who ban someone for leaving before creepspawn.
A host doesn't have a a special !warn-command, so he can't give the "correct" punishment in-game. He has to go on the forums to write a report, only to see the leaver get warned. This is a such a waste of effort that it's no wonder no-one ever does it. But since no-one ever bothers to write reports about this stuff, it shouldn't come as a surprise that repeat-offenders (I.E. Serial Laggers) don't get caught.
Allow hosts to ban early leavers. Sure, this forces people with a "legitimate" reason for leaving to go and write an unban report. So what? If you ruin a game by disconnecting at start, you probably wasted 9*10 = 90 mins of other peoples' time, so being forced to actively get yourself unbanned is the least amount of effort you can do.
Using the !ban command when someone leaves after loading is not host abuse; it's common freaking sense. If you really want to distinguish between leavers and disconnects then you should at least require the leaver to make sure he's dealt with accordingly, not force the hosts to make a distinction they can't.
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I bet atleast 80% players would be intrested in reading mod rules
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NEGERTIVS you talk alot!!!....
Youre target is to spamming here.....
go to google and read what spam is nab
+1
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So conclusion: we need "plugers" 2 be banned by request only and !owner comand when host leaves
so true but still needs some editing cant get all done in one shot ;) it was just my tought
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@NEGERTIVS:
I don't know why do you think that every player that disconnects has a DSL connection and disconnects every game he plays.
Then why do we need a !ban command? Lets auto ban every player that leaves the game (independant of the reason they left).
The rule is made enough clear. If you leave, you'll be banned for a week. If you leave before creeps spawn or if you leave before the game ends, you'll get a warn. If you unplug, you'll be banned for 10 days. If you disconnect due to connection problems, you'll be unbanned without anything.
@PerverzniUm:
There is a reason that the !owner command is no longer used for taking owner after the host has left.
ok this is was i meant this is an example of not giving full answ! so wuts is that reason? or if its hard to type it post pls a link where i cant find it!
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Actually you'll find that you are the one spamming here. Who is off-topic here? You. Who's making useless statements here (get "google lesence" people QUICK!)? Oh WAIT, it's you. I "spam" because I "talk a lot"? Wut? Typing without knowledge? Perhaps you should read the rules and reconsider that statement.
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erm ek0, I never said that. I said that if you have a crappy connection, then you are more likely to disconnect, thus making it your fault.
Yes, I agree that such players should be banned, only if they join and ruin many games.
In the above statement you already said you agreed to this, right? The rules are quite clear yes, a leaver is a leaver, where is this "rule" that allows people to disconnect? Because it doesnt seem to exist in my space-time continuüm. Please quote it for me litterally, from the ingame rules section.
The point of debate was if it could be possible to not punish the host for this leaver/disconnecter by actually making the one who ruined the game go through the extra trouble of requesting an unban/conversion to warn. Sigh.
ok i won't respond ....but when someon keep typing such 20 lign of paragraphs and doesn't make sence (in my opinion) It's called mass spamm not only spamming and i won't respond anymmore here cause i think i am spaming too!
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Im sorry if it doesnt make sense to you. It makes perfect sense to me and apparently to others as well. The obvious next step that you've left me, as an open door, would be to question your intelligence. But I wont do that. Remember that you don't have to read it. But then don't post here.
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Alright mrniceguy if apparently you are not capable of converting logical arguments in a logical plea into the rule-changes that would follow logically, then sure, Ill lay it out for you kindergarten-style.
Well you have proofed opposit cause even the kindergarten-style can not help you to understand things whe have wrote above.
Ok here is explanation why your proposals will not be accepted:
1. If you want to be able to unban disconnecters, make a rule that allows disconnecting. You people claim that disconnecting is not a bannable offense, but there is no rule for it. Right now, according to the rules, a disconnecter is simply a leaver or even a plugger.
1. Disconnecting is something that can happend everyone: power failure, losing connection, w3 crash, losing connection with bot (thats why gproxy++ has been inventend and it will be implemented in our bot).
And yes that is not bannable offense cause it is very easy for me, and I believe for all moderators to divide what is disconnecting and what is leaving/unpluging on purpose. If you can not understand that then you are not welcome to be host on our bot, rather play on it and avoid hosting.
2. Unplugging/leaving is something what you do when you are losing badly and you cant stand it anymore. Unplug the cable or leave the game.
We wont implement your proposal cause of that.
2. Now on to the rule changes resulting from my plea: I think hosts should not be bannable for banning rulebreakers. This could be done in several ways:
Appending the "ban abuse" rule would be the easiest way:
Game owner must take control of the game
- Abusing the !banlast command is not allowed.
- Banning a rulebreaker is never ban abuse.
Host was never banned for banning the rulebreakers, YOU IN OTHER WAY DID NOT BANNED THE RULE BREAKER YOU HAVE BANNED SOMEONE WHO LOST CONNECTION AT LOADING THAT IS BAN ABUSE.
I rly dont understand how you cant get it:
YOU CANT KNOW DID HE LEFT ON PURPOSE OR LOST CONNECTION THAT IS WHY YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BAN HIM ON 00:00.
If you cant follow that simply once again avoid beeing the host.
Now, this will not be implemented cause there is no any reason for that. And if you want that someone accept you as sirious here, try to avoid provocations like this:
Ill lay it out for you kindergarten-style.
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Well you have proofed opposit cause even the kindergarten-style can not help you to understand things whe have wrote above.
What you have written above is not in correspondence with your own rules. Therefore it makes no sense. Your opinion is not law. The rules are (thats why they are called RULES. Laws and rules, GET IT?). Id be perfectly willing to accept a dismissal when you provide good reasoning behind it. So far I havent seen any.
1. Disconnecting is something that can happend everyone: power failure, losing connection, w3 crash, losing connection with bot (thats why gproxy++ has been inventend and it will be implemented in our bot).
Sure it can happen randomly. That's probably why disconnecting at the start nets you only a warn on first offense. So that has been accomodated in the rules. But it happens a lot more if you have a crappy connection and computer. By not making sure your equipment is set up right, you are ruining games and should in my opinion be accountable for that.
Did you even understand my first proposal? It was to make disconnecting allowed in the rules, it would make the current status quo perfectly fine, mods unbanning disconnecters etc. Right now you are breaking the rules by unbanning disconnecters. If this were to be implemented you would not.
Im aware of the difference between leavers and pluggers, thank you very much.
And yes that is not bannable offense cause it is very easy for me, and I believe for all moderators to divide what is disconnecting and what is leaving/unpluging on purpose. If you can not understand that then you are not welcome to be host on our bot, rather play on it and avoid hosting.
Oh Im sure that in most cases, mods are perfectly capable of determining whether a player is a leaver or a disconnecter. But that's not really the point, is it? A host can't, that was a major point in the debate, remember? So who would you rather see going through extra trouble, the disconnecter, or the host/players whose game he has ruined? Should hosts play detective and make long banrequests for as little as a warn? Why not leave that up to the rulebreaker? In the end it will still be the mods who determine if he has disconnected or not. Hosts will be spared, ego's will be satisfied, disconnecters will be encouraged to improve their setup. Everybody's happy.
Host was never banned for banning the rulebreakers, YOU IN OTHER WAY DID NOT BANNED THE RULE BREAKER YOU HAVE BANNED SOMEONE WHO LOST CONNECTION AT LOADING THAT IS BAN ABUSE.
Losing control, are we? Actually I was. He left the game ---> I banned him. There is no rule that allows disconnecting. Go to the ingame rules, hit control + F, search for the word "disconnect". It's not mentioned at all.
So I hope you now understand why I keep saying that you make up rules. There is nothing in the rules that allows people to get away with disconnecting. Only in your head. I agree that its logical to be lenient with disconnecters, but right now you are breaking the rules by unbanning them. That's why I proposed to make it legal to disconnect in the rules.
YOU CANT KNOW DID HE LEFT ON PURPOSE OR LOST CONNECTION THAT IS WHY YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BAN HIM ON 00:00.
A host can't know. Exactly my point. Should he play detective and spend lots of effort, when it was someone else who disconnected or left, thus ruining the game? It doesnt matter whether this player left or disconnected, the effect is the same, right? 8 players and the host have to waste 10 more minutes to find the next game. As Ali said, thats 9x10 = 90 minutes of wasted time in total.
The disconnecter will still only get a warn in the end. The only difference will be that he would have to make an unbanrequest instead of putting the host through extra trouble.
Im perfectly fine with making a distinction between leavers and disconnecters. Just don't make the hosts go through extra trouble. As I understand the current situation, hosts have lots of responsibilities already and a lot of rules apply to them, mostly unwritten rules. While disconnecters have none, even though it is them ruining games. It doesnt matter if it was intentional or not. All Im proposing is to level the playing field and make it more fair for hosts. Why is that so rediculous to you?
Now, this will not be implemented cause there is no any reason for that. And if you want that someone accept you as sirious here, try to avoid provocations like this
Well when you ignore argumentation, close topics without any valid reason, interpret reasonable suggestions as attacks, etcetera etcetera I really do get the feeling Im in kindergarten. Im perfectly willing to lay off, if only you'd stop your unbelievable ad-hominem arguments like "WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE", "joo no pay money joo not entitled to opinion", "fix joo problems get brain surgery" etcetera etcetera.
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What is this? I dont quite get it. It looks like an unfinished post to me. Or are you conceding? I think anyone with half a brain and at least some basic ethics would conclude that having a code of conduct for mods is not such a bad idea for the community. It doesnt have to be the rules I proposed, I merely put down what I thought would be good rules, for discussion. Instead of at least allowing discussion, the topic was closed instantly. I think that's childish.
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And if you want that someone accept you as sirious here
I accept NEGERTIVS as Sirious.
(http://www.harry-potter-movie-buzz.com/wp-content/uploads/harrypotter/large_Sirius%20Black-3tzb6iqm.jpg)
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All that you posted below that line.
This was the obvius proof that you have no logic at all.
You are constantly repeating yourself and we are constantly refusing you, so who will get tired before you or we?
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I accept NEGERTIVS as Sirious.
fnelleh ip=magically disappeared
NEGERTIVS ip = magically disappeared
Ye, I accept myself as sirous too.
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lol and u think that he has 2 acc's and posting from 1 and later on aproves his post with another 1 ?
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Ye, I accept myself as sirous too.
I accept you as Sirious too, but then you must be Sirious B.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Sirius_A_and_B_artwork.jpg/800px-Sirius_A_and_B_artwork.jpg)
(So NEGERTIVS on the left, you on the right)
fnelleh ip=213.10.207.2
NEGERTIVS ip = 213.10.207.2
http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=899801 (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=899801)
http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=899599 (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=899599)
http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=898791 (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=898791)
http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=906462 (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=906462)
http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=906114 (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=906114)
NEGERTIVS sure is a good player, he can use two computers to play dota in the same game and win most of the times too!
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i thought i have good micro but Negertivs beat me :/
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Dear Mr.Miceguy do u want to know the truth?
Negertivs LOVES u!!!!
He is always thinking to u, day, night, he prefeers spending his time writing to u instead of playng dota
U r the man 4 his life!
Best Wishes!
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Can you guys stay on topic?
NEGERTIVS posted this to discuss a suggestion, not to express affection in words.
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lol and u think that he has 2 acc's and posting from 1 and later on aproves his post with another 1 ?
I did not said those are the same person, I have said they have same ip, so that means they are brothers or sisters I dont know and I dont care. It is normal that family accept you as sirous, well it is normal in my family at least.
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Alright mrniceguy if apparently you are not capable of converting logical arguments in a logical plea into the rule-changes that would follow logically, then sure, Ill lay it out for you kindergarten-style.
Ok here is explanation why your proposals will not be accepted:
1. If you want to be able to unban disconnecters, make a rule that allows disconnecting. You people claim that disconnecting is not a bannable offense, but there is no rule for it. Right now, according to the rules, a disconnecter is simply a leaver or even a plugger.
1. Disconnecting is something that can happend everyone: power failure, losing connection, w3 crash, losing connection with bot (thats why gproxy++ has been inventend and it will be implemented in our bot).
And yes that is not bannable offense cause it is very easy for me, and I believe for all moderators to divide what is disconnecting and what is leaving/unpluging on purpose. If you can not understand that then you are not welcome to be host on our bot, rather play on it and avoid hosting.
2. Unplugging/leaving is something what you do when you are losing badly and you cant stand it anymore. Unplug the cable or leave the game.
We wont implement your proposal cause of that.
Our point is that the current rules do not allow disconnecting.
Unless you change the current rules, what you're doing (I.E. unbanning disconnecters) is not in accordance with your rules.
What we're proposing; a clause that says "Disconnecting is not punishable with a ban", would mean that what you're currently doing as mods becomes according to the rules. Get it?
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Hmm.
Sorry, I'll be on-topic.
Neger, one of your all-time arguments is that disconnecing is not mentioned in the rules, so it is simply leaving.
Hmm, let me give u an example here:
Scratching one's ass is not in the rules. When someone scratches his ass, his left (or right, sometimes both) hands are down his pants, and are not on the keyboard. Some ass-scratchers even close their eyes for a few seconds of pleasure. Thus, they are not really at the computer, in other words, they are AFK.
So, scratching one's ass is AFK-ing, which is rulebraking, which should be banned.
Hmm.
Disconnecting is not in the rules. So, it is not forbidden!
What? You say that disconnecting is leaving? Well, I disagree, and many players and most (or all) mods here are with me on that. We see it this way: leaving is something you do intentionally. You click-click, esc-esc to leave the game. On the other hand, disconnecting is something that happens to you. Not an intentional thing.
Are we clear here?
You say that disconnecters ruin the game for others? Hmm, 4v5 is playable, and winnable. Other team can balance, so in my view, game is not really ruined. And if we lose 4v5? So what? Defending HARD, lurking the enemy to our base, getting force staffs and pushing enemy to our fountain is fun IMO (unless u play only to win and get good stats).
Oh, you say that it is different during the first 10 minutes? Well, game is usually remade then. So what? I just enter another game, + 5-6 minutes.
What is it that you say? Waste of time? FROM WHAT, for crying out loud? DotA? Isn't DotA a waste of time in itself? :D Oh no, sorry. It is our work, our lifestlye, our lover and mother.
So, I have this evening to waste, I go play dota, and some motherfucker wastes 10 minutes of my precious, to-be-wasted time! YARGH! ???
So, why create a rule that allows disconnecting? It is already allowed, by not being forbidden! (Remember ass-scratching! Should we specifically allow that too?)
About ban request VS unban request:
I say that host should have to post the ban request, for the simple reason that he is a host. Being a host is not being !ban-god, it is a service. By hosting the game, you accept a lot (ok, not a lot, some) responsibility, duties, thus you should accept having to go through the trouble of posting a ban request. It is part of being host.
(Of course, host can ban in obvious cases, but not in 0:00 disc cases. U know, the things this thread is about.)
It is VERY irritating, that when I hit esc at 2-3 sec of countdown, game still loads, and I get immediate disc, and idiot host bans me, and I have to go through the unban procedure. Really annoying.
And one last thing to think about:
You start a thread in the rules section, and somehow, the whole mod community (and some forum users, who are not intimidated by your brothers/classmates/alteregos's trolling) unanimously resist.
If you look at other discussions, agreements are reached.
Now I know that we are all blithering idiots, and you are the only bright light here. Then again, maybe there is something in your manners too? Maybe, your posts reek of superiority-complex, self-overconfidence, and the absolute contempt of the others. And also, whenever you write something, your brothers/classmates/alteregos come along, and giggle/troll/hate the mods and everyone who has different opinion.
This is just something to think about (and NOT something you should logically explain).
If you take yourself seriously, if your intentions are making this place better, you will think about this. If you are only here to argue for the heck of it, you will "answer".
(This only applies to this last part. I'm looking forward to your answers. Just one thing though: could we not get all anal about the meaning of the word "leave"? I know you can google, you know I can search dictionaries, we know we won't agree on that, so no point in starting.)
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I almost never respond "siriously" because like I previously said: things like this don't really matter to me. However, I've detected a huge quantity of Asperger's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome) in the region of Zerind and I feel obliged to respond to some of his utter crap.
You start a thread in the rules section, and somehow, the whole mod community (and some forum users, who are not intimidated by your brothers/classmates/alteregos's trolling) unanimously resist.
This is not a big surprise as the rule changes suggested here were inspired by a conflict with an admin which they are backing up, and the other rule changes suggested are to reduce or at least incarnate the unlimited power of the admins. Besides this group of biased 'individuals', I can see several forum users, on an increasing rate, agreeing with NEGERTIVS. You might want to get your eyesight checked out, too.
Are we clear here?
You might not yet know this, but other people do know that crappy Steven Seagal one-liners from american mainstream movies never, but then really never, make your position look stronger. Instead, it shows you've just never really performed in a real life debate before.
You say that disconnecters ruin the game for others? Hmm, 4v5 is playable, and winnable. Other team can balance, so in my view, game is not really ruined. And if we lose 4v5? So what? Defending HARD, lurking the enemy to our base, getting force staffs and pushing enemy to our fountain is fun IMO (unless u play only to win and get good stats).
I think you are right about one thing, a 4v5 does not really ruin a game. One can adapt to those circumstances. However, it's not the problem with playing 4v5 that matters. In most (almost all) of the cases a game will be remaked due to people not wanting such a game with 4v5 dynamics and because of the existence of the "40% vote for rmk, thus rmk"-rule, and as such the time spent in the lobby creating the game will be ruined.
Oh, you say that it is different during the first 10 minutes? Well, game is usually remade then. So what? I just enter another game, + 5-6 minutes.
For such an opportunistic person as yourself it might cost 5-6 minuts to find another game. However, NEGERTIVS is constructive by constantly hosting games which you can join to save time. This costs him more time than it costs you.
What is it that you say? Waste of time? FROM WHAT, for crying out loud? DotA? Isn't DotA a waste of time in itself? :D Oh no, sorry. It is our work, our lifestlye, our lover and mother.
So, I have this evening to waste, I go play dota, and some motherfucker wastes 10 minutes of my precious, to-be-wasted time! YARGH!
Such comments are quite sad to read, actually. I feel sorry for you that your time apparently means so little to you, but that has nothing to do with the rest of the world. I have a tight schedule, and when I play DotA I don't play all night long, I only play one game or at most a few. When a game needs to be remaked because of such a reason, it usually means I can play one game less, or no game at all. Also, DotA is not a waste of time for me. I enjoy it; I have fun. Fun is not a waste of time.
Then again, maybe there is something in your manners too? Maybe, your posts reek of superiority-complex, self-overconfidence, and the absolute contempt of the others.
And again I can say it: hypocrite much?
As a last thing I would like to emphasize something which should be obvious to everyone, but what some people apparently don't seem to fathom: I am not NEGERTIVS. NEGERTIVS cannot be held accountable for anything I say, as I can't be held accountable for anything NEGERTIVS says. I agree with him on most points, but he's a completely different person.
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Let's also analyze that post while I answer, shall we? :D
However, I've detected a huge quantity of Asperger's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome) in the region of Zerind and I feel obliged to respond to some of his utter crap.
Stupid, useless and mindless flame. What was the point of this sentence? To prove that u can put a wikipedia link here, but u can't even read the wikipedia article? :D U have no idea what u're talking about.
So, my answer for this, on the level it was written:
You are a sorry little asshole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asshole).
:)
So far so good. :)
[...] the rule changes suggested [...] conflict with an admin which they [...] unlimited power of the admins. [...] I can see several forum users, on an increasing rate, agreeing with NEGERTIVS. You might want to get your eyesight checked out, too.
What u say here:
Har-har ConFLicT! Har-har wAR! That part of my post was for Nege, and for him only. U are just too dumb to understand. And obviously, u are just here to argue. I know the history of these threads, and I had a different, but important point here, which you didn't get.
"Your eyesight blah-blah" you say, stupid flame again, but my "u're too dumb..." words above answered that part on its level correctly.
You might not yet know this, but other people do know that crappy Steven Seagal one-liners from american mainstream movies never, but then really never, make your position look stronger. Instead, it shows you've just never really performed in a real life debate before.
Man, and again, nothing factual, nothing of interest, just idiotic, loser flames on an internet forum. Congratulations! Retard.
I think you are right about one thing, a 4v5 does not really ruin a game. One can adapt to those circumstances. However, it's not the problem with playing 4v5 that matters. In most (almost all) of the cases a game will be remaked due to people not wanting such a game with 4v5 dynamics and because of the existence of the "40% vote for rmk, thus rmk"-rule, and as such the time spent in the lobby creating the game will be ruined.
Damn!!! Fuck, fuck, fuck! The only time u try to reason with me, the only lines in your post when u are actually trying to use proper arguments, and u fuck it up! Man, this is depressing.
The 40% rule only applies in the first 10 minutes. After that, 4v5 is hardly ever remade. Like <5%. So, in the first 10 minutes, yes, it is remade. But that is discussed separately in my previous post. After minute 10, very few times is the game remade.
Nvm, at least u have tried. Better luck next time!
For such an opportunistic person as yourself it might cost 5-6 minuts to find another game. However, NEGERTIVS is constructive by constantly hosting games which you can join to save time. This costs him more time than it costs you.
That is nice. Thankfully, there are MANY people hosting games. So if Neger finds he has no time to wait for another 10 minutes, he can simply join a game.
If he chooses to host, guess he has time to wait. But why not let him answer that? My "opportunist" little bro. ;)
Such comments are quite sad to read, actually. I feel sorry for you that your time apparently means so little to you, but that has nothing to do with the rest of the world. I have a tight schedule, and when I play DotA I don't play all night long, I only play one game or at most a few. When a game needs to be remaked because of such a reason, it usually means I can play one game less, or no game at all. Also, DotA is not a waste of time for me. I enjoy it; I have fun. Fun is not a waste of time.
Pffff :D u feel sorry for me? Why? U know nothing about me. I can handle my time, thx. And when I decide to waste some time on a computer game, I don't get all worked up if I don't get my dosage ASAP. :D
You have a tight schedule? :D Eeeee, let me just not get started on this, and what "fun" means for you, ok? ;)
Anyway, I'm sorry if your precious dota time has been wasted a few times. :)
And again I can say it: hypocrite much?
As a last thing I would like to emphasize something which should be obvious to everyone, but what some people apparently don't seem to fathom: I am not NEGERTIVS. NEGERTIVS cannot be held accountable for anything I say, as I can't be held accountable for anything NEGERTIVS says. I agree with him on most points, but he's a completely different person.
I'm not a hypocrite. I always try to find an agreement, unlike you guys. Well, that is until I run into a post like yours: 80% personal flaming, 20% false facts. Then I give up reason, and have good laughs flaming back. ;)
Please, pull your head out of Neger's ass, or get your own body for your schizo peronality, or learn to step out of your brother's shadow.
And don't try to answer instead of him, u just can't do that.
Sorry if I made u upset, u made me smile. :)
Next time, try to keep personal insults to the minimum, and stick to factual arguments. If you can't, better not say anything.
Still waiting for correct answers, to which I can reply in a reason. Maybe Negertius can do that... I hope.
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At first it was only partly a joke, partly trying to define you. But now I'm definitely sure you have Asperger's. How can you honestly read that and think "Ha I sure got him!"
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I dont think all the rules r very clear, for examle there is not a definition of what means "bad host / bad behaviour" or i dont like bd allowed but I find rules on leavers not bad.
Leavers r very different, but if u write a rule that allows disconnecting means that ppl have a right to disconnect and admins cant do nothing.
It's better dont give the right to disconnect and leave to the admin/mod the choice if unban or not.
A mod that have to decide an unbar req of a player that has disc 20 games maybe can refuse.
A mod is a sort of "judge"; There r judges in every Countries and u have to accept this
I dont agree all what they decide but I accept their decisions
PS:dont play only 4 stats, enjoy the game!
PPS: I find a feeder worts than a leaver and there is not a rule that allows the host to ban feeder
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I think it's stupid to write a rule for something that is clear
we do not need a separate disc rule because there are situations that are always different, so it's good if a mod decides
its sad that some people just come here to quarrel, and inability to argue, and the first serious answer crushes them (like fnelleh)
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@ Negertives & co.
You seem to still miss one very important piece of the puzzle.
Loosing connection doesn't equal leaving
not on this bot.
Why? Using simple legal theory: Because the court (mods) said it. The moderators are acting (and they have always been acting) like leaving the game (voluntarily), unplugging (terminating connection on purpose) and loosing connection (due to the techincal failure) are three different things.
You may and you probably do disagree with it. However that simply doesn't matter. On this bot it is simple tradition, it can only change if either the rules change, or the mods deciding practice will change.
If you don't like court practice in your country, the only effective way to change it is to sway majority of the
parliment to your side.
Summary: From the legal viewpoint loosing connection is legal. Not completely because there were cause where you could recieve warning or even ban for multiple or suspicious dc. However it is not mention in the rules and you can't simply ban these people (unless you can claim they have plugged, but thats different story).
It is simple as kill stealing. If there is zeus in your game who is just farming & running from fight, then using ulti 150 hp hero which you have damaged. You will hate that person, he will probably loose you the game. Bat you can't ban him neither request him to be banned, there is no mention of kill steal in the rules, therefor its legal. End of story.
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Wow Zerind, you score a 12 on the ragemeter! (If you don't know, a post with excessive smileys, 12 here, shows that you are raging while typing) I must have hit a very sensitive spot (was it the Asperger's, was it the worthlessness of your time? Only you and God can tell). I am definitely pleased.
I will respond to every sentence.
Let's also analyze that post while I answer, shall we?
Well done, you indeed analyzed it while you were answering. Maybe you should have analyzed it before you answered.
Stupid, useless and mindless flame.
I actually never flamed directly in my post, but you have said the following:
You are a sorry little asshole.
U are just too dumb to understand.
just idiotic, loser flames on an internet forum. Congratulations! Retard.
Please, pull your head out of Neger's ass, or get your own body for your schizo peronality
Then reread this:
I'm not a hypocrite.
Right.
That part of my post was for Nege, and for him only. U are just too dumb to understand
I responded to you as if the part of your post was intended for NEGERTIVS, as you say it was. Therefore I make no mistake at all, and your criticism is just completely based on nothing. Maybe you're the one not smart enough to understand my reply?
"Your eyesight blah-blah" you say, stupid flame again, but my "u're too dumb..." words above answered that part on its level correctly.
You're completely ignoring a point I made about several unbiased people on the forum agreeing with NEGERTIVS.
The 40% rule only applies in the first 10 minutes. After that, 4v5 is hardly ever remade. Like <5%. So, in the first 10 minutes, yes, it is remade. But that is discussed separately in my previous post. After minute 10, very few times is the game remade.
As this topic is partly about people leaving while loading, wether or not they ruin a game and wether or not a host should be allowed to ban him, my given estimated statistics were obviously about the first 10 minuts of the game.
That is nice. Thankfully, there are MANY people hosting games. So if Neger finds he has no time to wait for another 10 minutes, he can simply join a game.
If he chooses to host, guess he has time to wait.
You're missing the point completely. It doesn't matter that a host can join a game. When someone leaves early, there will always be a host in that game that loses a larger lobbytime than the joining players, in this case NEGERTIVS.
But why not let him answer that? My "opportunist" little bro.
You obviously don't know the meaning of the word opportunistic, there is nothing here which would define me as such. If you don't understand a word you see, just ignore it, don't try to use it in your own post.
Pffff u feel sorry for me? Why? U know nothing about me. I can handle my time, thx. And when I decide to waste some time on a computer game, I don't get all worked up if I don't get my dosage ASAP.
If you're making an attempt to imply that I do, you're again basing this on absolutely nothing.
You have a tight schedule? Eeeee, let me just not get started on this, and what "fun" means for you, ok?
This doesn't say anything, nor does it imply anything.
Anyway, I'm sorry if your precious dota time has been wasted a few times.
Thanks! Sometimes it sure has been.
Please, pull your head out of Neger's ass, or get your own body for your schizo peronality, or learn to step out of your brother's shadow.
You're just trying to find a weak spot of which I am insecure. You obviously fail. They are as factual as you claim my posts to be.
And don't try to answer instead of him, u just can't do that.
I'm not answering for him, I'm speaking for myself.
Sorry if I made u upset
No problem, not a single emotion was experienced. Well, apart from being pleased that is.
u made me smile
Probably in the way that enraged people smile when they think they get their revenge.
Next time, try to keep personal insults to the minimum, and stick to factual arguments. If you can't, better not say anything.
Why are you posting a reply then?
I'm not a hypocrite.
Stays funny.
I felt this needed to be done. But as I don't have a lot more to say about the actual subject in the topic, this will be my last post in this topic. And unlike night_must_fall, I am true to my word. Therefore: goodbye.
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@ Negertives & co.
You seem to still miss one very important piece of the puzzle.
Loosing connection doesn't equal leaving
not on this bot.
Look, i dont think everyone is arguing with that (shit happens), but only with the fact that banning a disconnecter should not be considered ban abuse. Because as niceguy said, a host cannot know if the guy disconnected on purpose or not (except of course when you see the guy lagging the whole game, complaining about delay or similar) nor does he have the time to check the players gaming history, bans, disconnects etc. Hosting a game usually takes much more time for the host than the player that just joins in,
So why should it be so hard for the disconnecter to write a simple unban request which will probably be dealed with within minutes? Admins would not have any more or less job solving those unban requests than solving the ban requests for those same disconnecters. Recently, i got disconnected from a game twice in a week, got banned both times. I wrote an unban request, the request was solved within half an hour, and I could play again. Problem solved, everyone happy.
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But it does work like that. Similary as to your case. The host sometimes gets banned or warned because he lets say ban person with 20-1-45 who lost conn 10 seconds before the tree fall. In other cases u simply have to wait for unban.
But this is not the Negertivers's case. He banned person who dced immidietaly after the game start. Yes u must remake the game which u have polished in lobby for 15 minutes. Yes it is annoying.
But
When player quits right after the start one of these scenarios happened.
1) He tried to leave the lobby but didn't make it due to delay/lagg. This isn't the players fault (if he has crappy conn the host is supposed to kick him before !start), since the warcraft for unknown reasons executes the quiting animation first and then removes you from the lobby. In next bot release the countdown should be for 10 seconds solving this problem.
2) He pressed alt+f4 during load screen. This is definitly leaving and should be punished. Rules says he will recive 1 warning. Why so little? Imo : When players starts a game there is presumption he wants to play it. Ergo sum he has no reason to press alt+f4 during load screen unless something serious has happened. If he is brain damaged retard who quits it while thinking HAHAHAHAHA ANoTHeR GaMe RuInED ME PRO, he will be warned multiple times and eventualy banned.
3) He lost the connection during the load screen.
4) There is some weird sync bug which will put you onto scoreboard right after the game loads. Happened to me twice and it always happened to some1 else as well.
Summary: Negertivs KNEW that the player didn't leave/unplug but lost connection. He banned him because his game was ruined by "some retard who can't fucking buy new pc and plays on 0.99 E adsl". This is ban abuse IMHO and should be punished. Especialy when it happens for multiple times. And night_must_fall were always punishing ban abuser harshly, i do have experience with this.
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But if modz cant ban when they are not right then why i got banned by lilthug herhe: http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=935301 (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=935301)
That's clearly noty a plug i was owning.
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Can'T see it from the game. Post your ban request.
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Arizael +1
(lobotomy too, but man do you use google translator?...)
Domagoj, I absolutely agree that it takes a long time to post a ban request, but:
I still hold that if sy hosts a game, it is not just absolute power for him, but responsibilities too.
So, by hosting, he accepts some duties and responsibilities too. He accepts that he has to ban rule breakers, that he has to take time and effort to check everyone in the lobby, to use !mute, !muteall properly and to the benefit of the game, and that in cases of doubt, he has to post a request on the forum.
If someone feels this is too much, he shouldn't host games.
Kinda like being mod: it is a lot of duties. If you don't have the time or will to do it properly, don't do it.
It is true though that host doesn't deserve 2 weeks of ban for ban abuse. Well, at first, that is. 1 day, 2 day maybe. But Neger knew the rules, he had done this before and got banned for it. He had huge arguments here about them, and he still went on and banned a DC-er. That is just being stupid, like trying to steal the gun from a police officer. In a police department building. In Kenya.
You just don't do that. Or if you do, don't be surprised if you get shot 50 times in 10 seconds.
The End, the rest is just a reply for that internet kid personality of Negertius. :)
:D fnelleh...
It is very funny how internet kids claim to know my moods, intentions, fellings etc. But this only means one thing: u feel these things, and project them on me. Nvm, I won't bother answering to your flame-rages.
If you can collect the less then 10% facts to a separate post, I'll reply. But this mumbo-jumbo of yours just doesn't worth the effort. Talking to you is like talking to my cat: I have told him a million times not to hunt for the mouse pointer on the screen, he just ignores it. His brain is too little, u know. ;)
Btw, my smileys are for real: I really AM enjoying this.
But, the rest of this community is not interested in your blank and failed tries to guess my personality, and neither are they interested in my enjoyment in mocking you.
So, if u can stay factual, I will be too, as I have been in my 1st post. If u can't, I won't, like in my second. This is not hypocrisy (boy, u must love this word). (Opportunism: u're joining games too, aren't u? So, u're the same as me. Oops.) Nvm, it is good either way. If you can be civilized, we can talk. If not, I can have good laughs.
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I post unban request it was mod banning a disc without reason lol.
mods wont ban a fellow mod lol see topic
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I post unban request it was mod banning a disc without reason lol.
mods wont ban a fellow mod lol see topic
I banned you for starting the game as soon as i entered the lobby and not letting me check players !sd...
Reason for your ban --> bad host
Anything else you wanna say??
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These things are being worked on, I would really appreciate it if these threads stopped.