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General Section => General Discussions => Topic started by: ArizaelCZ on November 02, 2010, 19:43
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Today certain ammout of requests againts global moderator quon appeared. They look lihe this:
http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,28668.0.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,28668.0.html)
http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,28666.0.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,28666.0.html)
also this players were were banned by at least discusable circumstances:
msn. http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=870183 (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=870183)
gregster http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=870403 (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=870403)
prekidach http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=866043 (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=866043)
and I could probably find more
edit: Where are bad manners here?: http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,28665.0.html (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,28665.0.html)
I was especialy touched by the ban on morwena beacause that was realy for no reson. I played with quon today and he was realy acting like person who just broke out with his gf ( http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=869991 (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=869991) ). His behaviour was realy strange - he permamuted person who rly didnt flame that much (at least not more than him, but i admit that the person was realy skill abuser - still no reason for mute) and he took ownership from me without reason.
I am not a quon-hater. I played with him in the past and i know that he is pro player who can have manners. I appreciate what he has done for the comunity. However i don't think that pub games should be a stress release for moderators who obviously had a bad day. Therefore i appeal for global mods like ek0, Mr.niceguy, Elision or even admins to take a look at those and give us some explanation. Regards
edit#2: Everybody is welcomed to express their opinions but please do not spam the topic. Thank you.
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poor quon :/ i won't stand against him he is a good player :))
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This will be discussed between senior mods.
GL&HF.
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mb he had hard day
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ArizaelCZ - after this post you can prepare for 2 things - getting ban or warn.
And after that quon by himself will close that thread with note that this is spam and he dont care f opinion of "small" "dog" "noone here" people.
Dont u see that every mod are keeping an eye on another? u will show real proof - othermods will flame/fame/mute/warn/ban you and after that close topic without anything.
U wont get anything by this becuase as one smart wannnabe guy here said this will be taken to talk with senior mods?? wtf? means to who? - i tell u wtf this means - this means nothing will be taken under invetigation, thread will just get note "another spam"
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lol , thats not true - mechanik(er)
and yes , he can ban/warn . he could send an admin a pm
and close , y he can
mng answeredThis will be discussed between senior mods.
GL&HF.
:O
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ArizaelCZ - after this post you can prepare for 2 things - getting ban or warn.
And after that quon by himself will close that thread with note that this is spam and he dont care f opinion of "small" "dog" "noone here" people.
Dont u see that every mod are keeping an eye on another? u will show real proof - othermods will flame/fame/mute/warn/ban you and after that close topic without anything.
U wont get anything by this becuase as one smart wannnabe guy here said this will be taken to talk with senior mods?? wtf? means to who? - i tell u wtf this means - this means nothing will be taken under invetigation, thread will just get note "another spam"
This isn't spam thread and it wasn't mentioned to be. Unless somebody turns it into one. I see no reason why should I be banned, if there is one please tell me. I am indeed "small" person - i didn't contribute to anything or did something to help the server running, i am merely a happy and frequent user. If senior mod says it will be talked between senior mods, than I have no reason to not belive him and i will simply wait for surely exhaustivly explaining verdict of that discussion.
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U didnt get my point.
It was abit of sarcasm. In 90% of such threads almost always MODERATORS says it is jsut spam and closing thread giving ban/warn to guy that says something agaisnt them...
You thnk whos here is senior moderator????
Yes those 2 are exactly the seniors here...
you still doubt that this thread will be taken under investigaton?
Since always mods wont says something abd agaisnt other so this investigation its jsut a lie...
Very soon thread will be moved somewhere and closed.
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wel as an objective investigator i must say quon lost his temper -
anyway playdota.eu is a private enity or sth - so mods can do whatever they want - event act like a child
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mechanik please once again do not spam with your posts, and please try to avoid flames/insults toward moderators.
I said that it will be discussed, and we will decide what we will do about it.
Regards.
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Im not spamming. Am I doing posts everywhere to inceresse my post count? no. People that registered here LONG after me got 1k+ posts and u dont call them spammers.
Im jsut saying my opinion about something.
And I dont insult Im jsut saying the truth without flaming anyone (didnt pint anyone here)
I am allowed to say truth so Im saying, no matter how it sounds. Especially when im not satisfied about haing exceptions.
You are to proud to answer my PM so Im saying my opinion on public thread about that all.
Thats all.
Looking foward for the resoults of the "investigation".
Cheers.
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People that registered here LONG after me got 1k+ posts and u dont call them spammers.
I dont call them spammers cause they are posting normal and useful things, and you only spam with nonsense.
And I dont insult Im jsut saying the truth without flaming anyone (didnt pint anyone here)
You dont ?
« Last Edit: Today at 09:27 pm by Mechanik »
« Last Edit: Today at 09:44 pm by Mechanik »
There was flame/insult in both posts before you edited them.
Now, I dont want that this thread goes offtopic, as I said we will discuss it.
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People that registered here LONG after me got 1k+ posts and u dont call them spammers.
i was the only one no-moderator with 1 k posts
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I said that it will be discussed, and we will decide what we will do about it.
Regards.
This has been told before to me related to about an some similar situation (about a good friend of some of the mods) and personaly im not sure what they did about it sins topic got simple closed without any explaination of WHY the person behaved like he/she did nor what consequences by his/her action this person got.
By this im simple asking you senior mods, can we get some information after you discussed this? This information i am seeking is relating to "punishment" and what actions that you will do to prevent this in the future. Hope this will be solved quickly, +an pritty fast unban for morwena's unjustified ban by quon.
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added "/she" in last sentence in the first part.
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What do you mean it will be discused?? Just look at the replay and you will see the unjustice, stop defend quon and grow some balls. Fake reason for ban, took ownership for absolute no reason. HOW CAN U LET THE REPORTED GUY TO REVIEW HIS OWN UNBAN/BAN SITUATION??? I report that quon was unfair and still quon denies report, if no justice is done I leave PD.
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Chill out, you will get respond here juzto/schrek dont worry. Anyhow I will give respond for morwena situation very soon as well.
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God could you knock it off?
Edit means ADDing some stuff into previous psot to dont double psot. Dont search the other reasons why i do that...
You are doingEVERRYThing to avoid answering the serious questions.
Look how many reportes are agaisnt quon, and all u say u will take investigation?
People here want some mod rush, helpful advices, not running from the point.
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Well, guys is time to think about PD.eu
ArizaelCZ: u right, u just wanna know whats going on.... But not always happen
Mechanik: Do u see, MNG call u spammer... i dont agree, but its not necesary to talk about one thing ten+ times... try to reduce your post about 1 thing
MrNiceGuy: i have already seen a lots topic about U and othes mods, like ninja unban, mute abuse, etc. I would say its sort of truth, but once you are mod, you have that power to do it... Just sometimes it doesnt look fair to rest players.
Overall: PD is free for all, u can play and u dont have to pay for it, its similar when u connect to someones private bot and u get banned, what u will to do then? Nothing, because u will say: " pff, he is idiot, i dont care about ban...." and u will not post on BN.net your ban request because u got banned by other player.
If u want to get mods power: 1. Have your own bot
2. There is a lot of bots providers, just buy it...
3. Do request for PD.eu mod
But never cry... live your life, but remember: Life is not fair and u can do nothing with it...
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RULE:"Player must enter games corresponding his DotA skills" IS REMOVED.
Noob in pro game/pro in noob game rule is removed, any report about being noob in pro game/pro in noob game will be locked immediately and that request will be denied.
quon has been moved from global moderator position to ban&unban moderator.
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EDIT.
Im off this thread.
Congratolations for beeing fair and good luck. Quon removed from mod is good step for pd. GG.
Ps. WAIT... what??
Demoed from imba mod to mod??
Is this a joke? Can you kill someone and let him be still alive? For sake of god.. am I blind or thats a joke?
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lol so everyone can join noob dotas now ?
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lol so everyone can join noob dotas now ?
yes. but when we implement new scoring system you wont get much points from playing with someone who has lower nr of points than u.
Oh yes I forgot:
Morwena-!unbanned + warn deleted
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Well I am say that I am touched by your attention. Here r explanations :
1. Regarding this game (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=870403). I all explained here (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,28758.0.html).
2. Regarding msn. (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=870183). He abused mute command towards bone who played solo all game (which is ok since he is late game carry) and he was jealous on him cause of his 10:0 score. I warned him there not to abuse it. Later when game was almost over (i made devine for fun) bone dropped and host banned him. I said that he will be banned for bad hosting and then he started to flame me and insults me. We could lose game cause host sold 20k gold items worth from bone.... we had won game and we could lose it cause of him.
3. gregster (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=user&u=gregster&s=datetime&o=desc&n=0) was clearly noob in that game (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=870403). If u see his stats he feeds in pro games and he plays often noob games.
4. prekidach (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=user&u=prekidach&s=datetime&o=desc&n=0) was clearly noob in that game (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=866043). If u see his stats he feeds in pro games and he plays often noob games.
5. Regarding "bad manners" thing (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,28665.0.html). Morwena is host from this game (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=870403) who abused his host status and after I took control he threatened me. That is not acceptable for me who has 10 posts and 50 played game here toward some1 like me.
6. And finally our game[/rul] Arizael.
We had hard spamming lane top. Me(rhasta) and Kober_by (davion) against erdar and zeus. Both were focusing me all the time and we had few chances to kill them (maybe own them) if davion have had fire instead of armor against 400 hp heroes in lane...
When some1 calls me tard : Kober_by 8:17 fuck off tard
I will always mute that person and unmute when I want, case me (admin) > you (host).
(http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=869991)
I explained all appeals towards me. So if MuN and Fawkz think that I abused even in one of those situations I am rdy to insta resign cause I have been doing my "job" wrong during all time. I wont allow some1 to flame, especially cause I am admin and not 15yo kid. I banned all noobs that I have been playing with in pro games in my team, which is normal to me since I am admin and its my job.
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Listen, we understand quon is your friend, and that you're backing him up, but I fail to see the reason why. For future reference, stop being so amazed with meaningfull exclamations and state your point.
EDIT.
Im off this thread.
Congratolations for beeing fair and good luck. Quon removed from mod is good step for pd. GG.
Ps. WAIT... what??
Demoed from imba mod to mod??
Is this a joke? Can you kill someone and let him be still alive? For sake of god.. am I blind or thats a joke?
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lol much drama today
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I wont allow some1 to flame, especially cause I am admin and not 15yo kid. I banned all noobs that I have been playing with in pro games in my team, which is normal to me since I am admin and its my job.
It should be even in enemy team 8)
And btw noob in pro game {pro in noob game} is not in rules anymore 8)
PS: Nothing personal
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I wont allow some1 to flame, especially cause I am admin and not 15yo kid. I banned all noobs that I have been playing with in pro games in my team, which is normal to me since I am admin and its my job.
It should be even in enemy team 8)
And btw noob in pro game {pro in noob game} is not in rules anymore 8)
PS: Nothing personal
I dont care for opposite team. If some1 from there wants to report noobs, he is free to do it. I often play with friends so owning some1 and then reporting/ban them for being noob in that game is ridiculous. We call it common sense...
That skill rule isnt "removed 100%". It will be interpreted in different way. U will be able to limit skill lvl of game by rank points.
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I as admin in game have right to take over hosting if u fail as host. In that game gregster (aa) had problem with his isp and he had >100 ms. I have put it on 200ms to try making him not to drop. Then he got stabilized and morwena have put it on max... after that he stopped moving again and I have put it back on 50ms, then morwena started acting "smart" and have put it back on 10000. Then I took away ownership from morwena.
I prevented that user not to drop. After your morwena's "wtf" I muted chat. Then I got threats that I will be reported, etc...
That kind of behavior is unacceptable toward admin and morwena deserved a ban.
If I see 1 more topic regarding this issue, those users will be banned.
Sins you locked this topic ill write here Quon. The function Synclimit do not effect general gameplay, this is only to syncronize players who is falling behind from the main flow in the game and if someone is falled behind (after 60 sec) he/she will be instantly kicked instead of ruin game for all other by "freezing" game for 0,25-60 sec a time (other word IMPROVE overall gameplay!). As i remember from this game with Morwena some went in the this state and she put max ofcorse.
Taking ownership over a game where the original owner sets max in synclimit is wrong! If she had messed up LATENCY then it would been another matter sins it can alters delay or spikes in game! When someone is stealing ownership in a game, ofcorse the original owner will be upsett when he/she gets NO warning!
I am expecting an propper appologie to morwena due this misstreatment Quon did against Morwena if he/she will earn my and MANY more's respect back!
And just out of curiosity, can mods see ALL chat(allies, pm, enemies and all chat)?(sins he/she knew morwena wanted rapport him) If yes, dont you think it is unfair?
When some1 calls me tard : Kober_by 8:17 fuck off tard
I will always mute that person and unmute when I want, case me (admin) > you (host).
Tard in general is short for Retard and if im not remembering wrong then ive seen in rules or in signature of one mod that "Retard is not a flame"
Morwena-!unbanned + warn deleted
Good job!
quon has been moved from global moderator position to ban&unban moderator.
One step closer but at least i saw some result =) And thanks again mrNiceguy for answering and solving problems relative fast (compare to many many other places)
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sins chould be pouniched.
Amen.
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Sins you locked this topic ill write here Quon. The function Synclimit do not effect general gameplay, this is only to syncronize players who is falling behind from the main flow in the game and if someone is falled behind (after 60 sec) he/she will be instantly kicked instead of ruin game for all other by "freezing" game for 0,25-60 sec a time (other word IMPROVE overall gameplay!). As i remember from this game with Morwena some went in the this state and she put max ofcorse.
Taking ownership over a game where the original owner sets max in synclimit is wrong! If she had messed up LATENCY then it would been another matter sins it can alters delay or spikes in game! When someone is stealing ownership in a game, ofcorse the original owner will be upsett when he/she gets NO warning!
I am expecting an propper appologie to morwena due this misstreatment Quon did against Morwena if he/she will earn my and MANY more's respect back!
That guy didn't drop, I've read only the chat log and could tell. So Quon took the ownership from him because the host wanted to drop him, using !synclimit max.
And just out of curiosity, can mods see ALL chat(allies, pm, enemies and all chat)?(sins he/she knew morwena wanted rapport him) If yes, dont you think it is unfair?
No , they can't. But prolly Quon saw that coming and read the chatlog as well after the game.
Tard in general is short for Retard and if im not remembering wrong then ive seen in rules or in signature of one mod that "Retard is not a flame"
I will assume that you are not very old here, in the forums, or else you would have known that the mod's signature was an irony, adressed to the one who stated that " Retard is not an insult, is a classification ! " IIRC.
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Sins you locked this topic ill write here Quon. The function Synclimit do not effect general gameplay, this is only to syncronize players who is falling behind from the main flow in the game and if someone is falled behind (after 60 sec) he/she will be instantly kicked instead of ruin game for all other by "freezing" game for 0,25-60 sec a time (other word IMPROVE overall gameplay!). As i remember from this game with Morwena some went in the this state and she put max ofcorse.
Taking ownership over a game where the original owner sets max in synclimit is wrong! If she had messed up LATENCY then it would been another matter sins it can alters delay or spikes in game! When someone is stealing ownership in a game, ofcorse the original owner will be upsett when he/she gets NO warning!
I am expecting an propper appologie to morwena due this misstreatment Quon did against Morwena if he/she will earn my and MANY more's respect back!
That guy didn't drop, I've read only the chat log and could tell. So Quon took the ownership from him because the host wanted to drop him, using !synclimit max.
Let me state pure facts... IF a player that is laggins as bad that he/she is falling behind the mainstream then it will NOT matter if you use synclimit max or 50! If a player is lagging this bad then he will ether get back OR fall out!
What is difference between these 2 versions?
1. When using low synclimit and a player is dropping out by lagging/high ping then game pauses at 60 sec untill player DROPS or gets back
2. When using high synclimit(max) and a player is dropping out by lagging/high ping then game will still resume without any interuption and the player will ether drop out after 70 sec or get back into the game.
Summary it is MORE profitable with high synclimit to prevent laggers RUIN game for others sins they will ether drop or not even on low/high synclimit! Before you play "MrWiseGuy" then learn the subject ;)
Tard in general is short for Retard and if im not remembering wrong then ive seen in rules or in signature of one mod that "Retard is not a flame"
I will assume that you are not very old here, in the forums, or else you would have known that the mod's signature was an irony, adressed to the one who stated that " Retard is not an insult, is a classification ! " IIRC.
Let me just say one simple thing, im OLDER user than you are on PD! So your assumption is wrong, dont think im new sins i got few post.. Not everyone spam forum all day long ^^
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Synclimit can't make some1 drop. It just removes the lagg window so the others can play (and its often abused by host when he wants to kill the lagging player). By increasing and decreasing the synclimit you can probably slightly increase the time the player has to come back, but it isn't nothing significant. You can't make player drop by increasing synclimit - you can by increasing latency by game owners can't increase latency above 120 ms.
Main thing to say is : Congrats to the mods for reaching decission that is widely accepted by the comunity. You have boosted my confidence into pd staff. Thank you.
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havent read all 3 pages,got bored at first one.
So,OT:
I was banned by him too,coz i 'flamed' a guy with retard,which is not flaming and for mute abusing(omni) who wasnt healing,wasnt using ulti in team fights,let us die few times,when riki attacked bone he DONT wanted to heal him,and when he started to eat crap i muted him(after about 10 min was unmuted)
When i wrote ban req for him for noob in pro game,quon just wrote denied.i checked his stats,only on first page i found 3-4 noob games,havent even checked the rest but i would find more,thats 100%.
(cant post links coz im writting from cell phone,i was playing with destro,who is interested,can check replay)
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ok the situation is resolved and quon is Demoted can you please close this spam :/
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wow,really?
Unbann me some1 than :)
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Public_noob > quon ;D
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It'd be better when:
Justice > quon
Anyway thread shall be clsoed due to the end of investigation and giving away punishes.
Xaxa :p
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It'd be better when:
Justice > quon
Anyway thread shall be clsoed due to the end of investigation and giving away punishes.
Xaxa :p
No, quon is so good for PD and this forum am 100% sure, they all know me like acter in all topic:s agains admins , but here i think he is good mod
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yeah quon was good but this is justice :/
So Elision can you close this thread?
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I say burn Quon.
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i say gtfo from him fanboys ?
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Locked.