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Title: new map 7.00
Post by: myprecious on June 11, 2020, 23:05
I want to give my opinion about the map since I checked it and I can tell you I m very satisfied, the map is very good with some interesting buffs and amazing new staff... also they are some rework things spells for some heroes and many rest staff, my support about 7.00 I really like it...
here is the link u can dwnl and check the things up... hf and cheers.
https://www.epicwar.com/maps/306123/
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: begin on June 11, 2020, 23:09
Your support is what keeps dota alive.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: ilikedat on June 11, 2020, 23:09
Is the map implemented in any other platforms yet? Ill check it out.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: No_LiFeR_xD on June 12, 2020, 11:18
https://www.epicwar.com/maps/306123/
There is a link for new map.
Btw there is also link from d1 stats ru  forum . But that link you can see only if you play on one some other server.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: myprecious on June 12, 2020, 17:07
Btw Ilikedat, I heard the new map is in the progress on the rgc an ppl already playing it for some time... Since I m not rgc fan it is not important for me.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Shark4K on June 29, 2020, 18:14
new map under testing coz DracoLich and his team fixing bugs and adding some features soon as possible will be released  :michael jackson:

this changelogs http://d1stats.ru/greatest-changelog-ever

like this added

QuickChat ChatWheel
https://youtu.be/I4ydknH-LYI
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: jeandarc on June 29, 2020, 18:31
damn draco is going full dota 2
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Shark4K on June 29, 2020, 19:26
damn draco is going full dota 2

Yeah but not at all, some things not ez to add.  ;)

Improving dota 1 community and map  dramatically to better.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: myprecious on July 22, 2020, 03:51
amazing map...I 'm so surprised that he made that map like that.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Sejanus on July 22, 2020, 16:41
Map is SHIT, bring back the old one.

Retarded colours... too many coins, f pointless shrines,

total BULLSHIT.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Corristo on July 22, 2020, 16:47
Ok, my first impression is, that this new map sucks hard. Give us an option to host 6.9 version, or just throw this rubbish into the bin. If I want to play Dota 2, I go and play Dota 2. No need to ''upgrade'' it into this. Thank you very much drakolich, for fucking up our classic dota 1 map. Sometimes LESS is MORE, and in this case, it's totally true. Lost all my interest in playing this trash just after one game. Super disappointed.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on July 22, 2020, 16:50
idk [people were saying the same when map was changed from 6.85k to 6.88
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: FataLity- on July 22, 2020, 16:54
after some point map gets figured out and people always keep picking same heroes like visage, tusk last map. This is a brand new map with lots of new things to figure out and its so much fun. I loved this map been playing since yesterday. Let go your
prejudice about everything that is new in dota and try to love the new. Because everyone says "this map sucks" for 10 years.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: jeandarc on July 22, 2020, 17:27
You'll have to give more information on why you think the new version is bad, saying the new map just "sucks" won't get you anywhere.
If you don't understand the new map and need to learn how the new stuff work then it's not because the map "sucks", it's because you need to adapt to the new fresh patch and stop doing the same things (picking same heroes, going same item build, same strategies etc.) which you were previously doing in the last patch.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Corristo on July 22, 2020, 17:40
You'll have to give more information on why you think the new version is bad, saying the new map just "sucks" won't get you anywhere.
If you don't understand the new map and need to learn how the new stuff work then it's not because the map "sucks", it's because you need to adapt to the new fresh patch and stop doing the same things (picking same heroes, going same item build, same strategies etc.) which you were previously doing in the last patch.

It's not about learning new stuff. The map simply sucks because the new UI, the way it looks. The player ''interface''. Why couldn't he keep the classic interface of the game, and just implement the hero balances, new heroes and other upgrades. What bothers me the most, is the new interface which is annoyingly informative, the whole screen is filled with unnecessary information, while he moved BIG YELLOW GOLD counter bottom right for no reason. I feel like sitting behind a fighter jet, looking left and right while everything being more annoying than informative.

The map lost it's classic feeling, it's a cheap copy of dota 2. We don't want dota2 in warcraft3 ok? We want dota1, CLASSIC dota1!
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Sejanus on July 22, 2020, 17:47
You'll have to give more information on why you think the new version is bad, saying the new map just "sucks" won't get you anywhere.
If you don't understand the new map and need to learn how the new stuff work then it's not because the map "sucks", it's because you need to adapt to the new fresh patch and stop doing the same things (picking same heroes, going same item build, same strategies etc.) which you were previously doing in the last patch.

It's not about learning new stuff. The map simply sucks because the new UI, the way it looks. The player ''interface''. Why couldn't he keep the classic interface of the game, and just implement the hero balances, new heroes and other upgrades. What bothers me the most, is the new interface which is annoyingly informative, the whole screen is filled with unnecessary information, while he moved BIG YELLOW GOLD counter bottom right for no reason. I feel like sitting behind a fighter jet, looking left and right while everything being more annoying than informative.

The map lost it's classic feeling, it's a cheap copy of dota 2. We don't want dota2 in warcraft3 ok? We want dota1, CLASSIC dota1!

++ Agree 100% I hate that interface, its weird, hero colours don't even match to stats screen.

Wayy too much blue, and pink. It's ALIEN DOTA.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: AntlermanXXL on July 22, 2020, 17:57
Did not read fully yet, but just briefly

This is a classic situation, people were always refusing to get map updates.
It even became a well known joke:
(https://imgur.com/bevSbQn.png)

It was always like this, literally every single major update

I personally loved this update, it looks great so far, full of new features, more variativity to play than before

I am not ready to give full argumented answer, because i am busy atm

But i shared my personal opinion and feelings

Big thanks to @DracoL1ch and his crew for hard work they have done

updated replicate when
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: DracoL1ch on July 22, 2020, 18:01
love it!
"unneccessary information"
yeah, it's really annoying when you can see your enemies list, it's better play with eyes closed to not receive any excessive information, just use your ears
"gold label down the way"
hell yeah, keep playing your 13" desktop. it's such a pain in the ass to move eyes top-down all the time you try to buy a thing. Hope your eyeballs are fine there.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Corristo on July 22, 2020, 18:12
love it!
"unneccessary information"
yeah, it's really annoying when you can see your enemies list, it's better play with eyes closed to not receive any excessive information, just use your ears
"gold label down the way"
hell yeah, keep playing your 13" desktop. it's such a pain in the ass to move eyes top-down all the time you try to buy a thing. Hope your eyeballs are fine there.

Drakolich, just roll back the interface as it was, but keep the hero and terrain changes. Like it or not, but you fucked up the interface hard. This is my opinion, and sorry if it hurts you. I know you probably won't give a shit, and just keep it this way, rather than acknowledge the players opinions and make some changes, but I HAVE to tell it anyway. Take it as a feedback, and make the changes accordingly. I will check back, when I get back my classic dota1. At this stage, the map is not enjoyable for me.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Sejanus on July 22, 2020, 18:35
It's like permanent "em" game,

some gets over farmed really quick,

alch was level 23, when our ursa was just 9, seems like less exp in the woods, more on the lane?

>> I don't think its balanced.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: myprecious on July 22, 2020, 18:43
@Confused-o_O- you 're right just about that some ppl won't be able to get used and they will maybe quit (but we don't know that for sure) however I think if ppl like them who can't be used on something that is better and actually improved version of the map before, the real question is then do we really need those ppl, also I heard something about dracolich my friend the last 4 versions u have played are made from dracolich,ice frog's version for dota1 is version 6.83 if I don't mistake, and I think i clearly don't.
So give a try to version,test it,play it for some time,get adapt then give your own opinion,I have tested this version before manny times,that's why i alowe myself to talk about it.
Also in general the balance is 100x better in this new version, and about gameplay i won't even talk coz it's clearly on higher lvl and better by far.
I think most of the ppl will feel sad to abuse overbuffed and bugged heroes in 6.89,and even worst thing those ppl don't give a fuck for nerfed and useless to weak heroes coz most of those heroes request skills to be played as ember,wind,mirana etc... sadly invoker didn't get buffed even in new version.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: grga_man on July 22, 2020, 19:36
No matter what map is being played, old or new, we all know who will be first..
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Jimmy on July 22, 2020, 20:50
I had a mental breakdown when i saw what you did to my boy.
Implementing Balance, adding heroes/skills/items , fixing mechanics , all the things one could do.
But changing the UI completely, to what end, if someone wanted to play Valve's DotA, he will go ahead and do that. Same goes for LoL,HoS and all the other copy cats that emerged from the holes over the years.
Again, Balancing, Implementing new Spells/Items and similar, removing Buggs from previous versions, all the strong suits a map developer can strive to when given such a nice Platform as IceFrog's DotA.
Talents gave it a Flare , few transfered Heroes, allright. But other than that workload should be focused on above mentioned things.

Metaphorically , you were given a Ferarri, and over the years u managed to put a Lada engine in it, and now ,you painted it pink.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: myprecious on July 22, 2020, 21:38
it is 6.90 but it doesn't matter numbers are only numbers... 6.90 got so much unbalanced things about specific heroes,and so weakness about some other specific heroes,is that much unfair that i can't hold down sometimes.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: m3thead on July 22, 2020, 21:43
this map is like Corona virus, u hate it but have to go with the flow... PS Jimmy said it so well, old school map whatsoever kept w3 installed, I am afraid delete time is finally near after nearly 20 years.  ( FUCK DOTA 2 ANGRY FACE).... ;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sIYe74sczE
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Dark_Tauren on July 23, 2020, 00:31
This map kills dota 1. I am off...
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on July 23, 2020, 01:20
6.83d : this map is bad, we need balance changes, need dota 2 content, bara op fix pls
6.85k : this map is bad, op new heroes, need to adapt, fix pls
6.88 : this map is bad, need to adapt cant win alone, new complicated items, fix pls
6.89 : this map is bad, weird new talents, too op, fix pls
7.00 : this map is bad, too much dota 2 content, complicated new mechanics, fix pls
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: funnylol on July 23, 2020, 01:21
I barely handle this talent version which make this game so unbalanced i dont say it was balanced before but for sure didnt make gameplay better.That shit wood map is for sure not anymore game we did know.I wont write much about this map becouse i played few times but it makes me just angry minimap is broken for sure color of heroes are wrong and i dont know shit from it,i cant bind ctrl for tp hotkey,AND THE WORSE SHIT CHANGING WOODS ADDING SHRINES AND BOUNTY RUNES.I think it made this game much easier like everyone got too much gold full items everywhere thats sad its like apem.I m not sure if i stop play this map or not but i got a feeling i will look for places where i can play olders maps even before talent version would be nice.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Deynro on July 23, 2020, 01:41
Only one thing annoys me, and that's the fact that you can't use anymore Q W E R hotkeys on abilities
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Sejanus on July 23, 2020, 01:45
Make a poll maybe? As half of players really hate it, previous one even with monkey was way better, and clearer.

I find this one to be extremely chaotic, there is a reason we all here stayed playing dota 1...

It looks like some millenial mental break down, with personality, and gender issues...

I played like 5 games today to test it, I just f hate it, I guess if Dota 1 goes that way I am out as well.

Ps. It supports greedy nabs, and solo stats play, the two things I hate the most.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Happy.. on July 23, 2020, 03:04
Only one thing annoys me, and that's the fact that you can't use anymore Q W E R hotkeys on abilities

? You can modify everything ingame now. Just press f9 whilist in game and set the hotkeys however you want.

I'm not sure if config.ini file has any use now, non-hotkeys related.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: myprecious on July 23, 2020, 08:54
@ChefDotaYoutube tnx god some1 explains something usefull in good way.
I just don't like the centaur change, but I can deal with that(stomp damage is to low, his third was ok as before just should be a bit nerfed)
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: .SaLiH. on July 23, 2020, 08:59
ppl are butthurt cos they cant afk jungle anymore KEK
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Noci on July 23, 2020, 12:44
The Dota 1 classic game is ruined with the new update !! Totally...
If we want to play dota2 we will play dota 2 !!
We want the Dota 1 classic game!! Give us the old Dota1 back !!
I agree with that guy who says that the new update is cheap version of dota 2.
I don't know where to look.. i feel like i play LoL.. gold is bottom, heroes top .. etc..
wtf is that with 3 fountains?!? New heroes imported from dota 2 ?  whyy?
Please don't ruin what is unique !! Reconsider that desicion about the new update !
Rubick is killing mort with ease ?? Come on that makes no sense... why should i play after the new map update lookalike dota2 ? You all have to worry about quitting playing dota on lagabuse.. don't let that happen !!
Think about this... Who ever wants to play dota2 , he can play... Dota 1 is the classic version we want to play.. since the new update was released i am not playing anymore.. and i am fan of dota 1 classic.. i want to play again the old dota1..
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Dark3r on July 23, 2020, 13:52
wtf is this honestly it isnt like dota 1 or dota 2 it looks like fucking dota 3 nothing is the same
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Deynro on July 23, 2020, 14:42
Only one thing annoys me, and that's the fact that you can't use anymore Q W E R hotkeys on abilities

? You can modify everything ingame now. Just press f9 whilist in game and set the hotkeys however you want.

I'm not sure if config.ini file has any use now, non-hotkeys related.

You can modify everything except for abilities, in the menu abilities hotkeys are locked, you can't change anything, as for the file, the settings for abilities can't be loaded anymore on this new vers.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: AntlermanXXL on July 23, 2020, 14:47
Maybe you have 'Use legacy hotkeys' checked
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: AntlermanXXL on July 23, 2020, 14:49
As about this massive rage, i really hope it passes away with short time
It is funny to read those 'argumented' answers (most of them are irrelevant, unrealistic and weird)
i maybe will take time to write something more contentful this week
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Happy.. on July 23, 2020, 15:01
You can modify everything except for abilities, in the menu abilities hotkeys are locked, you can't change anything, as for the file, the settings for abilities can't be loaded anymore on this new vers.

You prolly have the Legacy button checked. I'm using qwer normally.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on July 23, 2020, 15:54
This discussions happen every map update.

Lose players? Ofc if we keep the map we lose players, if we return to old map we lose players, what to do??

Some people never adapt and some people always want new map what to do about it?
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Sejanus on July 23, 2020, 16:03
This discussions happen every map update.

Lose players? Ofc if we keep the map we lose players, if we return to old map we lose players, what to do??

Some people never adapt and some people always want new map what to do about it?

New map not the whole new millennial system.

Icefrog at least was consistent.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Deynro on July 23, 2020, 18:33
You can modify everything except for abilities, in the menu abilities hotkeys are locked, you can't change anything, as for the file, the settings for abilities can't be loaded anymore on this new vers.

You prolly have the Legacy button checked. I'm using qwer normally.

I don't know what you mean by the legacy button  ???
@Happy..
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: begin on July 23, 2020, 18:35
When will we get back to the older one? This one sucks cocks.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Happy.. on July 23, 2020, 19:28
I don't know what you mean by the legacy button  ???
@Happy..

F9 ---> Control ---> Left side under the Item slots, first square 'Use legacy keys' ---> Uncheck it
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: grga_man on July 23, 2020, 20:07
I don't know what you mean by the legacy button  ???
@Happy..

F9 ---> Control ---> Left side under the Item slots, first square 'Use legacy keys' ---> Uncheck it

can someone give to fairy to be some kind helper or advisor, he is always there when you need him..
or simply give him a medal, he deserves it!
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on July 23, 2020, 23:34
Dont like this points:
-window command doesnt work
leaderboard in weird place, why not put it higher?
tooltips dont update for aghanim why?
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: AntlermanXXL on July 23, 2020, 23:52
Maybe you have 'Use legacy hotkeys' checked

You prolly have the Legacy button checked. I'm using qwer normally.

can someone give to fairy to be some kind helper or advisor, he is always there when you need him..
or simply give him a medal, he deserves it!

Not against it or something, but didn`t he just copycat my message? :-D
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: .SaLiH. on July 24, 2020, 08:25
Dont like this points:
-window command doesnt work
leaderboard in weird place, why not put it higher?
tooltips dont update for aghanim why?
there is an option in f9 for that (ps. nothing is removed from last patch as options or configuration, everything is added in new options section)
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: cen on July 24, 2020, 09:15
A few rational thoughts
- we should give the map a chance for some time and give constructive feedback if you want to change something for the better
- v7 is not even final yet, a temporary reversal back to v6 is not a problem
- like Icefrog dota was the-map back in the day, d1stats is the-map today. When Icefrog did something bad we just had to accept it and move on, now it is at least possible to contact the developer directly and give feedback, whether it is accepted or not.
- staying on v6, if decided by the community, is not a viable long term solution unless there would be some kind of an LTS program for that version. Even then, we would miss any good features coming after v7.


I think we should stay on v7 for a few weeks, collect feedback and then decide if we go back to v6 for a period of time, stay on v7 or what the next steps should be. If there is no consensus within community one side will have to give in since hosting both versions is not an option, it will diminish the available player pool and make lobbies longer.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Corristo on July 24, 2020, 09:43
A few rational thoughts
- we should give the map a chance for some time and give constructive feedback if you want to change something for the better
- v7 is not even final yet, a temporary reversal back to v6 is not a problem
- like Icefrog dota was the-map back in the day, d1stats is the-map today. When Icefrog did something bad we just had to accept it and move on, now it is at least possible to contact the developer directly and give feedback, whether it is accepted or not.
- staying on v6, if decided by the community, is not a viable long term solution unless there would be some kind of an LTS program for that version. Even then, we would miss any good features coming after v7.


I think we should stay on v7 for a few weeks, collect feedback and then decide if we go back to v6 for a period of time, stay on v7 or what the next steps should be. If there is no consensus within community one side will have to give in since hosting both versions is not an option, it will diminish the available player pool and make lobbies longer.

Just a few thoughts about this.
1) Our problem is not to move on with the map. Over the last 10 years, we always had new heroes added, new skills, new items, and minor map changes. But they all came step by step, while always staying loyal to the main concepts. They were just furbishing the game. Obviously mistakes were made, unbalances were fixed later.
We adapted and learnt the new ways. This is NOT our problem.

2) Our PROBLEM is that this map wants to make DOTA2 from DOTA1, and it's unacceptable for me, and for others also.

3)I dont like and don't want DOTA2 MAP terrain in dota1. No need to copy paste it, new runes, outposts new roshan location. No need, and no like. I don't know who asked for it ever.

4) The new user interface is a catastrophe as it is. Everything is bigger, takes too much of the screen, icons are misslocated, minimap change also dislike.

5)If you want to add new heroes have my upvote! If you want heroes rebalances GOOD. New items? FINE. Keep the rest as it was, classic UI, classic terrain (minor changes are ok if really needed).

6) The game feels like APEM. Easy and fast farm. everybody is having expensive items after 20 minutes, this reduces the importance of gangs and farming skills for individual players.

7) Make a POLL, let's see how many players would like to play v6 or v7. Or make it possible for us, classic dota1 players, to play v6 again. If we can play both maps simultaneously.

8 ) Missing any good features from v7 in the future? Or just avoiding any more bad features perhaps? It's a matter of point of view. What if the majority of players doesn't like v7 and the way where Drakolich takes Dota1? We have to go that way because nobody else works on the map?

9) Lastly, for last time: Don't morph Dota1 into Dota2. We can go and play Dota2 already. We are here to play Dota1, and if you force us to swallow this, we (Me) will simply abandon LA as it is, as it's not enjoyable anymore in this form.

Thanks!
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: GeneEric on July 24, 2020, 10:14
since hosting both versions is not an option, it will diminish the available player pool and make lobbies longer.
same will happen if players quit altogether because of the map.  :)
also worthy of note, UI+map layout change+talents dropped dota2 playerbase for a while as well, and there was a ton more whinning done there until they reverted some changes (respawn talents, gpm/xpm until years later etc, ui changes).
personally, dota2's 7.00 made me not play for some months, looks like this 7.00 is a good reenactment so far. :)
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Sejanus on July 24, 2020, 10:56
A few rational thoughts
- we should give the map a chance for some time and give constructive feedback if you want to change something for the better
- v7 is not even final yet, a temporary reversal back to v6 is not a problem
- like Icefrog dota was the-map back in the day, d1stats is the-map today. When Icefrog did something bad we just had to accept it and move on, now it is at least possible to contact the developer directly and give feedback, whether it is accepted or not.
- staying on v6, if decided by the community, is not a viable long term solution unless there would be some kind of an LTS program for that version. Even then, we would miss any good features coming after v7.


I think we should stay on v7 for a few weeks, collect feedback and then decide if we go back to v6 for a period of time, stay on v7 or what the next steps should be. If there is no consensus within community one side will have to give in since hosting both versions is not an option, it will diminish the available player pool and make lobbies longer.

Just a few thoughts about this.
1) Our problem is not to move on with the map. Over the last 10 years, we always had new heroes added, new skills, new items, and minor map changes. But they all came step by step, while always staying loyal to the main concepts. They were just furbishing the game. Obviously mistakes were made, unbalances were fixed later.
We adapted and learnt the new ways. This is NOT our problem.

2) Our PROBLEM is that this map wants to make DOTA2 from DOTA1, and it's unacceptable for me, and for others also.

3)I dont like and don't want DOTA2 MAP terrain in dota1. No need to copy paste it, new runes, outposts new roshan location. No need, and no like. I don't know who asked for it ever.

4) The new user interface is a catastrophe as it is. Everything is bigger, takes too much of the screen, icons are misslocated, minimap change also dislike.

5)If you want to add new heroes have my upvote! If you want heroes rebalances GOOD. New items? FINE. Keep the rest as it was, classic UI, classic terrain (minor changes are ok if really needed).

6) The game feels like APEM. Easy and fast farm. everybody is having expensive items after 20 minutes, this reduces the importance of gangs and farming skills for individual players.

7) Make a POLL, let's see how many players would like to play v6 or v7. Or make it possible for us, classic dota1 players, to play v6 again. If we can play both maps simultaneously.

8 ) Missing any good features from v7 in the future? Or just avoiding any more bad features perhaps? It's a matter of point of view. What if the majority of players doesn't like v7 and the way where Drakolich takes Dota1? We have to go that way because nobody else works on the map?

9) Lastly, for last time: Don't morph Dota1 into Dota2. We can go and play Dota2 already. We are here to play Dota1, and if you force us to swallow this, we (Me) will simply abandon LA as it is, as it's not enjoyable anymore in this form.

Thanks!

+++ To all that. (Like russians say...)

Had one game yesterday, which lasted 85 minutes, no side was able to finish it. Game was extremely random, and chaotic, communication was zero.

Loads of people are completely lost, and can't see shit on the map, you can ping them 100 times, and nobody sees nothing still.

Solo stat playing is for now 200% increased as it's easier to gank clueless, and lost players with new overpowered heroes like morph.

Yeah woods are not as good as used to be, which maybe is good, maybe not.

Free wards makes no sense, still most player's can't even place them, or help you de-ward. Everything blamed on support. While growing a support character seems much harder now with all the selfish players. They still refuse to gank, or attack and only farm on sides.

Loads of new Russian players? There was some merge, or something? I find it extremely hard to communicate with them, ignorant bastards they are. (Not all tho)

Only plus side I found is that the gold from coins is shared, rs timer on the top is not so bad, but too much in the face, I loved to check the time on the score board, still find myself opening it for no reason.

Go with the poll already, if possible - just to see where we stand, while keeping new nuts millenial chaotic version atm.

I really believe this version has personality disorder, and looks like mental break down.

So far haven't even won one game, it's like random team wins at random time now.

40min of mid pushes stopped by simple techies was quite painful🤪
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: myprecious on July 24, 2020, 11:31
@Sejanus op morph,is this your gameplay with that op hero?
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6311621
it looks like wasn't so op that game... actually was weak.
how then i won like 9/10 games at this new version?
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Sejanus on July 24, 2020, 12:02
@Sejanus op morph,is this your gameplay with that op hero?
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6311621
it looks like wasn't so op that game... actually was weak.
how then i won like 9/10 games at this new version?

Because you are lucky at dice 😁simple as, every game random winner at random point.

Didn't play so bad considering all the facts, feel free to watch the game😁 if you are bored enough to follow me, glad to have followers, maybe you will learn something 😁

And don't spam, give facts related to the map, I can bring up loads of games when you play simply retarded, what's the point of that?

Ps. Is it why you have many accounts? Till one works out for u?
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: FataLity- on July 24, 2020, 12:26
This map is more action packed smoother to play unlike the other map which you had to buy dominator and make ancient stacks for carries. It is faster gameplay with MORE heroes viable to play. New interface basicly deletes the stuff unrelated to dota and adds dota deleted information. Getting used to terrain takes 1 day. We will all learn hero changes and isnt that fun.
For sejanus and corristo stop talking shit about the game you dont understand any patch came before this was bad when I played this one.
Almost every item is viable and you can choose them to counter enemy opponment. Last patches item didnt matter that much because alternatives were always bad and you didnt have much choice.

tldr:
This is action based dota where item choices matter more. The people who talk shit never understood dota and crying because they are losing all of their games since they cant get away with playing terrible anymore.

One last comment about making dota2 out of dota1. Dota2 came out in 6.70s it was same with dota1 aswell if it was better you had 18 same patches to switch to dota2 before it changed.
Dracolich and 2 3 other guys manged to keepup with valves development team working on a high level engine. Instead of being greatful comments are please roll back the changes you were working on for 6 months they suck. I wish dracolich didnt see these posts you posted with selfishness and ignorance.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Happy.. on July 24, 2020, 12:28
Had a few games, so here's my 2 cents. The map's overall pretty fun, nicely structured, and more action-packed; it certainly requires more brainpower, but a few games are all you need to adapt.

Folks complaining about gold icon being shifted to the bottom right as a HUGE UI change is just... laughable. UI changes are actually an improvement, as they decrease the time you need to process information about the game itself, and you would have figured that out if you'd just stop being a bunch of ignorant clowns.

You people literally need 1 game to process these "huge" changes, and maybe 2 mins to process "huge" UI changes.

Someone mentioned us being "stuck" with Drako's Dota changes, and that we have to simply obey to everything he does - yes, you do, the same way you did with IceFrog's versions. Or gather a team and start putting effort into creating your own "flawless and immaculate" Dota map and see how exhausting that actually is, maybe you'll start appreciating the work being done by Russians more.

Each and every time people complaining when the new map comes out. Embrace the changes and acclimate or host your own private 6.83 (the worst fucking Dota version ever) IceFrog maps and see how many people join your lobby.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: FataLity- on July 24, 2020, 12:32
Had a few games, so here's my 2 cents. The map's overall pretty fun & nicely structured, it certainly requires more brainpower, but a few games are all you need to adapt.

Folks complaining about gold icon being shifted to the bottom right as a HUGE UI change is just... laughable.

You people literally need 1 game to process these "huge" changes, and maybe 2 mins to process "huge" UI changes.

Someone mentioned us being "stuck" with Drako's Dota changes, and that we have to simply obey to everything he does - yes, you do, the same way you did with IceFrog's versions. Or gather a team and start putting effort into creating your own "flawless and immaculate" Dota map and see how exhausting that actually is, maybe you'll start appreciating the work being done by Russians more.

Each and every time people complaining when the new map comes out. Embrace the changes and acclimate or host your own private 6.83 IceFrog maps and see how many people joins your lobby.
Thats my girl  :lovely:
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Corristo on July 24, 2020, 12:39
Had a few games, so here's my 2 cents. The map's overall pretty fun, nicely structured and more action-packed; it certainly requires more brainpower, but a few games are all you need to adapt.

Folks complaining about gold icon being shifted to the bottom right as a HUGE UI change is just... laughable.

You people literally need 1 game to process these "huge" changes, and maybe 2 mins to process "huge" UI changes.

Someone mentioned us being "stuck" with Drako's Dota changes, and that we have to simply obey to everything he does - yes, you do, the same way you did with IceFrog's versions. Or gather a team and start putting effort into creating your own "flawless and immaculate" Dota map and see how exhausting that actually is, maybe you'll start appreciating the work being done by Russians more.

Each and every time people complaining when the new map comes out. Embrace the changes and acclimate or host your own private 6.83 (the worst fucking Dota version ever) IceFrog maps and see how many people join your lobby.

We complain all we want as long as we dislike the map.
Im a mapmaker myself of Lords of Europe so i do know a few things about mapmaking and balancing.unlike you.
But whenever I made changes to the map, i always asked the players oppinions about it and made changes accordingly.so it stays fun. I never pushed it down on somebodies throat just because i could.
My opinion stands. The UI sucks, and dota2 sucks as well. Any changes made toward that direction is killing dota1.


''For sejanus and corristo stop talking shit about the game you dont understand any patch came before this was bad when I played this one. ''
Fatality: i dont want to take this personal as you do.but i have my opinion and if you dont like it you can fuck right off where you want.
Any patch before this was bad? 10 years of Dota 1 was bad, but the first map coming out with dota2 resemblence is suddenly good now? OMG, what a pathetic statement you got there.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: FataLity- on July 24, 2020, 13:00
Had a few games, so here's my 2 cents. The map's overall pretty fun, nicely structured and more action-packed; it certainly requires more brainpower, but a few games are all you need to adapt.

Folks complaining about gold icon being shifted to the bottom right as a HUGE UI change is just... laughable.

You people literally need 1 game to process these "huge" changes, and maybe 2 mins to process "huge" UI changes.

Someone mentioned us being "stuck" with Drako's Dota changes, and that we have to simply obey to everything he does - yes, you do, the same way you did with IceFrog's versions. Or gather a team and start putting effort into creating your own "flawless and immaculate" Dota map and see how exhausting that actually is, maybe you'll start appreciating the work being done by Russians more.

Each and every time people complaining when the new map comes out. Embrace the changes and acclimate or host your own private 6.83 (the worst fucking Dota version ever) IceFrog maps and see how many people join your lobby.

We complain all we want as long as we dislike the map.
Im a mapmaker myself of Lords of Europe so i do know a few things about mapmaking and balancing.unlike you.
But whenever I made changes to the map, i always asked the players oppinions about it and made changes accordingly.so it stays fun. I never pushed it down on somebodies throat just because i could.
My opinion stands. The UI sucks, and dota2 sucks as well. Any changes made toward that direction is killing dota1.


''For sejanus and corristo stop talking shit about the game you dont understand any patch came before this was bad when I played this one. ''
Fatality: i dont want to take this personal as you do.but i have my opinion and if you dont like it you can fuck right off where you want.
Any patch before this was bad? 10 years of Dota 1 was bad, but the first map coming out with dota2 resemblence is suddenly good now? OMG, what a pathetic statement you got there.
Yes it was relatively bad because making item was talking long you had to afk farm with carry clear everything make domi clear stacks for 25 minutes. If you dont do this and enemy does you lose. I'm not talking about OP heroes which you could win 99% of the time when you picked. I'm talking about old TERRAIN which you loved. I'm not gonna talk about UI because one you managed to make a big deal out of one gold bar.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Sejanus on July 24, 2020, 13:05
Fatality: i dont want to take this personal as you do.but i have my opinion and if you dont like it you can fuck right off where you want.
Any patch before this was bad? 10 years of Dota 1 was bad, but the first map coming out with dota2 resemblence is suddenly good now? OMG, what a pathetic statement you got there.

+ to that...

AND how is making items faster for some, and slower for others any better? Only bring more disbalance to the game.

Games when there is level 20+ while others are around 10 were rare, now its quite common in this ver.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Happy.. on July 24, 2020, 13:31
These are your so-called arguments as to why the current, improved UI sucks;

4) Everything is bigger
It isn't.

4) takes too much of the screen
It doesn't.

4)icons are misslocated
They aren't.

4)minimap change also dislike.
What minimap changes?

Instead of your ongoing autistic "THE UI SUCKS" screeching, how about, instead, you provide a single, valid, and somewhat rational argument as to why?
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Corristo on July 24, 2020, 13:57
These are your so-called arguments as to why the current, improved UI sucks;

4) Everything is bigger
It isn't.

4) takes too much of the screen
It doesn't.

4)icons are misslocated
They aren't.

4)minimap change also dislike.
What minimap changes?

Instead of your ongoing autistic "THE UI SUCKS" screeching, how about, instead, you provide a single, valid, and somewhat rational argument as to why?

If you fail to notice the difference between the OLD UI and NEW UI and why it sucks (at least in my opinion, but others as well) its pointless to explain you anything.you are simply too ignorant and praise the new dota2 map regardless of others opinions.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: myprecious on July 24, 2020, 14:03
@Corristo. can u stop generalistic ppl,some1 did great and amazing work with that map and just you can't get used it doesn't mean its not good, since I m not for old map which is clearly out of date and a bit boring... there are ppl for new map same as some of them for old. (most of the bad players and low IQ persons, without insult to any1, respect for these. )
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Happy.. on July 24, 2020, 14:13
its pointless to explain you anything

Very strong argument indeed.

regardless of others opinions.

Meaning opinion based on Sejanus and yourself? Quite a company, stronk players, lmao x)
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: DracoL1ch on July 24, 2020, 14:59
new UI: exists
0k players:
(https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=191431.0;attach=20124;image)
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: DracoL1ch on July 24, 2020, 15:30
tOo MuCh ScReEn
https://prnt.sc/tnw40d
https://prnt.sc/tnw3mk
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: FilLaD1N on July 24, 2020, 15:32
3)I dont like and don't want DOTA2 MAP terrain in dota1. No need to copy paste it, new runes, outposts new roshan location. No need, and no like. I don't know who asked for it ever.

4) The new user interface is a catastrophe as it is. Everything is bigger, takes too much of the screen, icons are misslocated, minimap change also dislike.

And how many years will you play in your non-promoted map?

New interface is better than old. I don't understand why you don't like it.

"minimap change also dislike."
From this i can understand that you didn't even pay attention to the fact that there are two mini-maps in the map: OLD and NEW
And you can play with whichever you like best.
It seems to me that you don't even know what a config file is where you can customize the game is just as cozy. http://d1stats.ru/en/configdota

Anyway your nagging is not appropriate.
Play for a couple of weeks and you'll get used to it.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: myprecious on July 24, 2020, 16:27
@Confused-o_O- let's give them a chance maybe they will actually be at same Lvl at they was in 6.90, however I find out farming is ezier, bb is cheaper and manny others things , and as i did in 6.90 I ll keep doing it now in 7.00 the thing when I putt "low players" in my team and make them useful for better gaming and better games, I don't say ur not right sir confused, you got the point , but only coz bad ppl cant adapt why the fuck we cant be more satisfied playing something what is improved and clearly better version... keep on mind low ppl wasn't useful in 6.90. my regards.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: .SaLiH. on July 24, 2020, 17:07
Will try to make short as possible

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By Sejanus – Map is SHIT, bring back the old one.

Retarded colours... too many coins, f pointless shrines,

Retarded colours – Behind the color change idea is to make them more ‘visible’ in minimap and stuff. (Perhaps that is the reason, of course mister developers could give more precise answer) This is not a valid reason to ‘bring back the old map’, ignoring major changes and features just to make colors as they were is not a VALID reason.

Suggestion: Whoever is bothered by colors, they can use “Set Ally Color Mode” (ALT + A shortcut) in order to show different colors than current one.

too many coins – Almost in every MOBA or Strategy game, each team (or individual) has ‘Objectives’ which they have to accomplish (a basic example would be to destroy the throne/tree is one of the objectives).

We could say in previous patches, Tier1-2-3 towers, Rax and Roshan were objectives. However, in this patch I could say 2 more objectives are added, ‘Bounty Runes’ and ‘Shrines’ (aka 2 fountains). This means that we have more ways to win a losing game, in other words, we have slightly more chance to comeback from megacreeps state. Bounty runes are providing gold to each player of the team, it can force fights etc.

Each team has this advantage, so no one can say its bullshit if you don’t know how to turn it to advantage for yourself or your team. Result; not valid reason. Suggestion: Try to get as many bounty runes as you can, or just communicate with your teammate about this. (You can make various of strategies using this opportunity)

f pointless shrines – About shrines, they might get removed in following patches since they were removed in DotA2 (they brought Outposts). They can be activated after some time and they have some long cooldown. They can be used in order to save time, in order to tp base or bringing many regen. They can be destroyed after one of Tier3 tower is destroyed from enemy team. You can teleport on shrines. Shrines can have pretty nice impact in game which makes it an objective (even if not major) and just as bounty runes, you can make many strategies around shrines. Result; not valid reason because its not pointless as I explained just few of my views about them (while they can have even bigger role).
 
Suggestion: Try to avoid using it alone but heal with your teammate/s. Sharing is caring. And if you find possibility, destroy enemy shrines, so they cant tp and come from behind.

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By Corristo –Ok, my first impression is, that this new map sucks hard. Give us an option to host 6.9 version, or just throw this rubbish into the bin. If I want to play Dota 2, I go and play Dota 2. No need to ''upgrade'' it into this. Thank you very much drakolich, for fucking up our classic dota 1 map. Sometimes LESS is MORE, and in this case, it's totally true. Lost all my interest in playingbold this trash just after one game. Super disappointed.

I couldn’t find any fact or proper feedback beside bolded parts but they don’t mean anything (like it has no explanation which part of it sucks hard or stuff like that).

I think I can answer this even if it is not a valid reason too, ‘If I want to play Dota 2, I go and play Dota 2. No need to ''upgrade'' it into this.’ – You are free to choose what you want to play, you can also play Stick Fight, or Dead by Daylight or any other MOBA.
About the part ‘no need to upgrade’, well, just as you are free to choose what you want to play, you also can play which version of map you want. You can even play older versions. Dracolich and his crew decided to ‘upgrade’ the map since Icefrog decided not to do it. And whoever wants, can play dracolichs map. Not sure what is confusing here. (Perhaps players are not satisfied with old map not being on ‘ladder’ and that is why they are reacting. I understand)

Suggestion: You can play DotA2 too if you want or Warcraft III Reforged (it has icefrogs original one 83d, you also find some other non-official which works in that patch of w3). Also, you can create your own server and put the old map to ladder or just create (or pay someone to make it) some additional 3rd part tool which will calculate stats and create a league here for previous map by creating game with ‘.’ (means non-ladder). So everyone could be happy !

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By Corristo – It's not about learning new stuff. The map simply sucks because the new UI, the way it looks. The player ''interface''. Why couldn't he keep the classic interface of the game, and just implement the hero balances, new heroes and other upgrades. What bothers me the most, is the new interface which is annoyingly informative, the whole screen is filled with unnecessary information, while he moved BIG YELLOW GOLD counter bottom right for no reason. I feel like sitting behind a fighter jet, looking left and right while everything being more annoying than informative.
The map lost it's classic feeling, it's a cheap copy of dota 2. We don't want dota2 in warcraft3 ok? We want dota1, CLASSIC dota1!

‘interface’, ‘gold’ – In the current UI, upper bar is almost gone. And as you mentioned, amount of gold is shown elsewhere. Perhaps there are some stuff that you can change/remove in Options tab. (maybe even in config file, I haven’t checked) What done is done, you cant bring exact old upper bar right now, maybe you can suggest dracolich to make something in next releases or maybe if you negotiate/donate he can do something special for you, its up to dracolich.
This can be accepted as valid reason only in terms of subjective view of players. Otherwise, game itself didn’t change, winning or losing or having fun is the same way.

Suggestion: Ask dracolich about this.
If you want to have old feeling, you can press f10, f11 and f12 and experience the feeling.
Try to adapt, its not like game changed.
Or you can put some 3rd party tool or even an image which looks exactly like previous maps upper bar.

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By Sejanus –  ++ Agree 100% I hate that interface, its weird, hero colours don't even match to stats screen.

Wayy too much blue, and pink. It's ALIEN DOTA.

Pretty much answered previously but ‘hero colours don’t even match to stats screen’. Perhaps it means while in lobby or aftergame review part. Totally not a valid reason, because it is about ‘after-or-before’ game.

Suggestion: You can ask dracolich to fix colors in review screen.  Or you can try to force yourself to like much blue and pink.

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By Corristo –  Drakolich, just roll back the interface as it was, but keep the hero and terrain changes. Like it or not, but you fucked up the interface hard. This is my opinion, and sorry if it hurts you. I know you probably won't give a shit, and just keep it this way, rather than acknowledge the players opinions and make some changes, but I HAVE to tell it anyway. Take it as a feedback, and make the changes accordingly. I will check back, when I get back my classic dota1. At this stage, the map is not enjoyable for me.

I think it was answered
Suggestion: Read my answers above

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By Sejanus – It's like permanent "em" game,

some gets over farmed really quick,

alch was level 23, when our ursa was just 9, seems like less exp in the woods, more on the lane?

>> I don't think its balanced.

It's like permanent “em” game – Easy Mode in prevous versions had features like;
Towers are weaker,
experience is gained faster,
and you get more periodic gold.
However, in this patch, towers are not weaker, experience is not gained faster and you don’t get more periodic gold (GPM). So this reason is not a valid one. [Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/7289cf/easy_mode_a_way_to_improve_new_players_experience/]

- some gets over farmed really quick – Farming in this game can be by, killing enemy creeps, denying your creeps, killing neutral creeps, killing summoned units, killing enemy heroes, killing roshan and shrines in this case as well as getting bounty runes. (I might have missed something, pardon me if I did) So basically, whoever gets more of these or quicker means that he can be ‘farmed really quick’.  No matter if there is difference in previous or current patch, if you do the right way to get gold (and of course, don’t lose gold), you can farm quickly. Not a valid reason.

- alch was level 23, when our ursa was just 9, seems like less exp in the woods, more on the lane? –
It always was like this (Correct me someone if I am wrong). Lane creeps should always be prioritized since they give more exp.
 
- >> I don't think its balanced – If you don’t think its balanced due to these 3 reasons, this one is not a valid feedback also. If you have any other idea why it is not balanced, please provide information.

Suggestion: I think your feedback is more about ‘farming’. I could suggest you to analyze the farm mechanism of the game. While patches occur, major concept is staying same only the ‘ways’ to farm more ‘efficiently’ might differ between patches. (e.g Like in very old patches, you could buy bottle vg boots and fight ppl but now you can have more items and fight). You could watch some tutorials or videos or even attend to some coaching.

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By Jimmy I had a mental breakdown when i saw what you did to my boy.
Implementing Balance, adding heroes/skills/items , fixing mechanics , all the things one could do.
But changing the UI completely, to what end, if someone wanted to play Valve's DotA, he will go ahead and do that. Same goes for LoL,HoS and all the other copy cats that emerged from the holes over the years.
Again, Balancing, Implementing new Spells/Items and similar, removing Buggs from previous versions, all the strong suits a map developer can strive to when given such a nice Platform as IceFrog's DotA.
Talents gave it a Flare , few transfered Heroes, allright. But other than that workload should be focused on above mentioned things.

Metaphorically , you were given a Ferarri, and over the years u managed to put a Lada engine in it, and now ,you painted it pink.

Since its about UI, its answered.
Suggestion: Please read my answers.

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By m3thead - this map is like Corona virus, u hate it but have to go with the flow... PS Jimmy said it so well, old school map whatsoever kept w3 installed, I am afraid delete time is finally near after nearly 20 years.  ( FUCK DOTA 2 ANGRY FACE).... ;

I cant see a feedback that I can relate to map

Suggestion: You can try playing Custom Games in W3 so you can continue your 20 years of Warcraft III experience it uninstalling makes you sad

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By Dark_Tauren - This map kills dota 1. I am off...

I think no feedback here also

Suggestion: In DotA2, there is maps only in Custom Games, but DotA2 is game itself so you can play DotA2. (map wont kill dota there, that’s my point)

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By Funnylol –I barely handle this talent version which make this game so unbalanced i dont say it was balanced before but for sure didnt make gameplay better.That shit wood map is for sure not anymore game we did know.I wont write much about this map becouse i played few times but it makes me just angry minimap is broken for sure color of heroes are wrong and i dont know shit from it,i cant bind ctrl for tp hotkey,AND THE WORSE SHIT CHANGING WOODS ADDING SHRINES AND BOUNTY RUNES.I think it made this game much easier like everyone got too much gold full items everywhere thats sad its like apem.I m not sure if i stop play this map or not but i got a feeling i will look for places where i can play olders maps even before talent version would be nice.

I can relate 4 feedback (there is for ‘em’ also for playing different version, but they are answered)

Talent tree and balance – Talent tree was implemented in DotA2 firstly and dracolich followed icefrog (which means if icefrog was still developing for w3, we were going to have same result). About balance, I think people should define balance briefly. This is a strategy game, and each player or team has equal advantage or disadvantage while starting the game (except players skills which is done by host using manual or automatic balance) So again, not a valid reason to get old map back.

Minimap – you have various of options to change minimap, please consider looking in Options tab and also check d1stats.ru/configdota website in order to be informed of features and possible changes.

Key bind – as I explained, please look carefully and if necessary address to dracolich for the feature that you want. Maybe he is able to do it for next version if it is not available already.

Terrain,shrine,runes- about runes and shrines it was answered. About terrain or so called, woods, actually 1 more ancient camps were added to each team. Which is a plus. Since both team has equal standarts I don’t think this is also a valid reason.

Suggestion: Firstly try to understand mechanics of DotA, try to analyze the games, get a clear idea of a professional and try to lead your team. If you do this you can get rid of the ‘balance’ obstacle you believe that is present. Also, you can get Trax or Gyro and go jungle (after some stacking), since 3 of camps are so close to each other, you can clear faster with gyro (there are also other alternatives).

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By Sejanus – Make a poll maybe? As half of players really hate it, previous one even with monkey was way better, and clearer.

I find this one to be extremely chaotic, there is a reason we all here stayed playing dota 1...

It looks like some millenial mental break down, with personality, and gender issues...

I played like 5 games today to test it, I just f hate it, I guess if Dota 1 goes that way I am out as well.

Ps. It supports greedy nabs, and solo stats play, the two things I hate the most.

About making a Poll, I believe 2 polls are necessary. First one should be whether we need to make a poll in order to change the map to old one. And if we get enough votes, we go for 2nd poll whether players ‘want to change map’ to previous one. Even if it sounds same, its not same but only similar and reason behind this is, to find out how many players wants to make a poll Since I can only see few people providing negative feedback.

I cant see other feedback, only about poll and this, . ‘It supports greedy nabs, and solo stats play, the two things I hate the most’
I don’t understand what do you mean by greedy nabs but if I understand it correctly, I cant see a difference between ‘greedy nabs’ and ‘solo stats play’ since both of them has same goal. Anyway, this patch is more team-oriented and each players role has more value according to previous patches. Which means, core players or heroes of the team can and should get -with your words- more farm than the support players of the team. This also has do to with understanding game mechanics and strategy.

But I understand what you are trying to say, the thing is, even in previous versions there were same players. So again, it has to do with players gameplay-skill. Not with map itself, so I don’t agree that it is a valid reason.

Suggestion: I highly recommend you to learn basics and follow steps as advanced and professional game knowledge. You can achieve it by watching professional players, maybe contacting them or watching tutorials which are provided.

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By Noci – my favourite- The Dota 1 classic game is ruined with the new update !! Totally...
If we want to play dota2 we will play dota 2 !!
We want the Dota 1 classic game!! Give us the old Dota1 back !!
I agree with that guy who says that the new update is cheap version of dota 2.
I don't know where to look.. i feel like i play LoL.. gold is bottom, heroes top .. etc..
wtf is that with 3 fountains?!? New heroes imported from dota 2 ?  whyy?
Please don't ruin what is unique !! Reconsider that desicion about the new update !
Rubick is killing mort with ease ?? Come on that makes no sense... why should i play after the new map update lookalike dota2 ? You all have to worry about quitting playing dota on lagabuse.. don't let that happen !!
Think about this... Who ever wants to play dota2 , he can play... Dota 1 is the classic version we want to play.. since the new update was released i am not playing anymore.. and i am fan of dota 1 classic.. i want to play again the old dota1..

Again, no proper feedback but, ‘rubick is killing mort with ease’ – it was possible in previous versions too, nothing new. Techies can kill mort too.

Suggestion: If you were that mort, get aegis before fighting rubick so you will revive faster.

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By Dark3r – wtf is this honestly it isnt like dota 1 or dota 2 it looks like fucking dota 3 nothing is the same

No proper feedback

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By begin - When will we get back to the older one? This one sucks cocks.
No proper feedback

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By Corristo – long post

9 of them were answered so no need to repost

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By CableMan  - same will happen if players quit altogether because of the map.   
also worthy of note, UI+map layout change+talents dropped dota2 playerbase for a while as well, and there was a ton more whinning done there until they reverted some changes (respawn talents, gpm/xpm until years later etc, ui changes).
personally, dota2's 7.00 made me not play for some months, looks like this 7.00 is a good reenactment so far.

Its not a negative feedback, but I think its good to point this part:
, UI+map layout change+talents dropped dota2 playerbase for a while as well, and there was a ton more whinning done there until they reverted some changes (respawn talents, gpm/xpm until years later etc, ui changes).

Suggestion: please consider mister CableMans viewpoint and subscribe his twitch channel.


I was going to check every negative feedback and provide an answer but the rest seemed they weren’t different from previous ideas so I wont do. However, I do slightly agree with Confused-o_o- I was actually going to suggest this in the end even if I disliked but seems like mister Confused provided similar viewpoint:
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I do agree with FataLity- and Happy.., but I come to a different conclusion. This map is bad because this server has mostly bad players, they did not manage to play decently with the same terrain over 10+ years and now you think they will adapt? That's just unrealistic. Those 10 players who will adapt and learn the new map will be only 10 players, how will you play a game with 10 players? Will you wait for a game 1-2 hours? What bad players will do in the meantime? They do not possess brainpower to collect runes and fight for a lane at the same time so any lower skill player will be a disaster in a team if you would decide to take one into your team.

Dota2 has thousands of players and top players still wait for a game more than 30min.

As the result I don’t think any of the provided feedback is a valid reason to bring the old map. However, since as mister Confused said, there are plenty of players who might dislike this map and be a big part of this community. I can only suggest that to bring new map in a private league so everyone can be happy.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: GeneEric on July 24, 2020, 18:42
A few disconnected points, since there's quite a lot of overlap between reactions to changes here and their equivalent in dota2 timeline.

P.S. One thing that should have been done however, was to make the changelog more accesible ( not have to go through 1 dead site, 1 dead forum, to end up in a half-russian discord, then navigate through a file that has both map changes and bugfixes). Everyone is free to analyse the changes, test them in-game, and form their playstyle. At least part of the "magic of the patches" in dota2, was the drop of the patchnotes, everyone gathered and discussed the new things, tested them in-game and on forums etc; it created this feeling of understanding the new challenges, instead of having the entire house drop down on your head at once.

*As per usual, these are just ramblings, not meant to discredit either the people that work on the map, playerbase, or whoever else. Take it with a grain of salt, and keep an open mind, not everyone that disagrees is necessarily wrong. :)
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: hsakuragi on July 24, 2020, 19:15
i was expecting new heroes new items like vessel and old type dota
but i didnt like that
i delete dota2 for new patch (too many changes)
now im gonna do same for dota1 too
im done with that hf everyone
bazarci out :)
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: melih06 on July 24, 2020, 23:17
pfff the new map is very boring. i played just a one time and i delete this game if u dont change this last 7.00 shit map. please return last map or i think you will lose a lot of player. map can be change but not so. please dont change old map.

what a weak naga siren why you change that heros skills idk and i lost a lot of shortcut skill.

if u love this last map please give us 2 alternative and we play old map.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: MarvinJunior on July 24, 2020, 23:42
expected that the retards are against the changes, gotta love that autopilot gameplay
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: myprecious on July 24, 2020, 23:55
We don't need them, let them go, maybe finally I can actually start enjoy the game and remove my blindfold from eyes coz I usually used it when matching ppl like them.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Sejanus on July 25, 2020, 00:28
Isn't it clear yet? Half the community hate the map? Give us the poll to show it in %.

Same arguments are for - as against the new map😁 exactly the same ones.

If 60% + vote for the new map I will shut up and try harder.

Maybe the problem is not the new map, but too many changes aka too huge jump/step of added new stuff at the same time, it's like a completely different game.

Gradual change would give people time to get used to it, and wouldn't cause the mass leaving now.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: funnylol on July 25, 2020, 01:31
i need to switch minimap to red color for enemys ,becouse its so so so bad
halp me dracolich that make me less pro becouse i dont have enough information.
If u wanna improve dota put minimap next to items slot like on the left(LIKE IN MIDDLE BOTTOM SPOT) AND FUCKING CHANGE SOME ENEMYS COLORS ON MINMAP BECOUSE I SEE SHIT. .THIS IDIOT WHO TRY TO RESPOND OR ALL OUR POSTS THINKS HE IS SMART I DONT EVEN REMEBER UR NICK NOW I SWEAR ON MY 15 CM COCK WHO THE FUCK U ARE AND WHO GIVE U PERMISSION TO DO THAT SPAM SAD TIMES.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Deynro on July 25, 2020, 02:27
Every time when it's an update / upgrade on the map, the same bunch of crybabies are incapable to adapt, whinning and rejecting any type of change or improvement, srsly, it's so pathetic how you guys cry and threaten with leaving the game. Always after some time, you come back and play the game as it is. Just leave as you all say or gather and host your own map, don't force other people to stagnate with you.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on July 25, 2020, 02:39
this

(https://i.imgur.com/bevSbQn.png)

People always cry every update and then come back to play anyway.

Btw you can always host old map but ofc no psr, how to play dota without psr and autoban????

Only thing which is really annoying is that gold is in bottom right corner instead of upper right.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: FilLaD1N on July 25, 2020, 10:02
pfff the new map is very boring. i played just a one time and i delete this game if u dont change this last 7.00 shit map. please return last map or i think you will lose a lot of player. map can be change but not so. please dont change old map.

what a weak naga siren why you change that heros skills idk and i lost a lot of shortcut skill.

if u love this last map please give us 2 alternative and we play old map.

"what a weak naga siren" Ahahaha, I'll die right now from laughter from your comments. You can't even imagine what kind of imba Naga Siren has become, ofc if you know how to play with him.
Can you show me your psr or ladder games? After saw it we could take your comment seriously.

Here will be more players from CIS. They are already playing here.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: grga_man on July 25, 2020, 12:59
its time for me to say something:
first i will say that i like this map.
things i dont like is that you get gold like apem, i had 50 denie with pudge mid, and medusa around 18 minute had linken, also i killed her 5 times mid. so i cant think how he get gold so fast.
time i get radiance he had linken. (its minute 18, this is one example, same amount of gold)
and one question for draco or who knows:
bottle: in earlier versions; i press hotkey and it uses immediately, now i have to press hotkey and to click on myself, i get confused everytime, like when you press ctrl+hotkey for bottle (for me its like all the time, i have to press on myself 3 times, its hard when you run and annoying after all).
also double click doesnt work (i have tried), enable help also doesnt work (-dch)
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on July 25, 2020, 13:01
I don't know what you mean by the legacy button  ???
@Happy..

F9 ---> Control ---> Left side under the Item slots, first square 'Use legacy keys' ---> Uncheck it

Wtf i press f9 and game crashes??
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: DracoL1ch on July 25, 2020, 15:57
bottle: in earlier versions; i press hotkey and it uses immediately, now i have to press hotkey and to click on myself, i get confused everytime, like when you press ctrl+hotkey for bottle (for me its like all the time, i have to press on myself 3 times, its hard when you run and annoying after all).
also double click doesnt work (i have tried), enable help also doesnt work (-dch)
do u use some 3rd side hotkeys? holding Ctrl allows yoiu to share your bottle, thats why, but normally its auto-used if you dont hold ctrl
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: grga_man on July 25, 2020, 16:23
bottle: in earlier versions; i press hotkey and it uses immediately, now i have to press hotkey and to click on myself, i get confused everytime, like when you press ctrl+hotkey for bottle (for me its like all the time, i have to press on myself 3 times, its hard when you run and annoying before all).
also double click doesnt work (i have tried), enable help also doesnt work (-dch)
do u use some 3rd side hotkeys? holding Ctrl allows yoiu to share your bottle, thats why, but normally its auto-used if you dont hold ctrl

that is weird part i dont hold ctrl, i know what ctrl does.
i use garena hotkey, i dont use hotkeys on F9
but i tried  that also in singleplayer. didnt work.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: myprecious on July 25, 2020, 19:46
You got the point about "em" have to agree, about bottle works same as before to me, you need to check out your settings.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: fortepsai on July 28, 2020, 05:36
I dont like the map, for few reasons, there are no different colors for each side on the minimap.
I do not like gold placeholder possiotion at all, its overlapping with titles from items or spells .
About the characters i still have not played with many but already find out that pugna can just spam his life steal ulti which is totally rubbish .
In terms of wards which are for free, yet again i do not agree with it, its way too childish .
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: .SaLiH. on July 28, 2020, 16:01
I dont like the map, for few reasons, there are no different colors for each side on the minimap.
I do not like gold placeholder possiotion at all, its overlapping with titles from items or spells .
About the characters i still have not played with many but already find out that pugna can just spam his life steal ulti which is totally rubbish .
In terms of wards which are for free, yet again i do not agree with it, its way too childish .
Thank you for feedback ! I will take into consideration and talk with Valve (with Icefrog and Gaben) in order to change those 'stupid' changes which make no sense at all.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Mara on July 28, 2020, 22:48
Dota is beyond stupid its no more oldschool everything is easier, gold talent=em... Gg i want Last Version at least this is so bad...
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: fabricamp3 on July 29, 2020, 03:54
Give us old map,this new map is bullshit,i think many players will stop playing..We would all happy if you can give us old map!
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Corristo on July 29, 2020, 08:34
The terrain change is Dota2, new runes, outposts are also directly copies from dota2.The new gold counter location and altogether the whole new UI also wanted to be dota2 (but it became just ugly compared to dota2). The new heroes are from dota2. new roshan location guees what? yes, dota2.

Every aspect, every change it is going for dota2 :)
At this point we can just simply delete war3 and go play dota2 :D. What is the difference after all?

Not all of those changes are bad however, the terrain indeed needed a change, since sentinel had advantage farming neutrals.
Heroes and skills also needed rebalance.
I support these.

In my opinion, the reason why the changes are going toward dota2 is because poor players with poor PC's can't afford to play Dota2. So now they have the option to do so, with lower poly graphics.

That Mars hero looks like Drakolich went up to hiveworkshop.com, checked hero models, and imported the first unit he saw with a spear/javelin. No effort, time and energy was used in this modelling. Just check out how Dota 2 Mars looks like and simply compare them.

From my point of view, keep the hero and skills changes, delete new runes, delete outposts, revert roshan location.
Change the terrain on sentinel or scourge site (should I say Radiant and Dire now?), to make a balanced way toward neutrals. And that's it.

Right now I personally stoped playing on war3, and went to play Dota2, since it's almost the same, and more beautiful.

I advice the same for everyone who's PC can run Dota2. Don't waste your time on this map anymore. Dota1 died with v7.

Have fun all, and see you!


Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: begin on July 29, 2020, 12:44
Seems like most players want the old one, make a poll?
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on July 29, 2020, 15:26
Poll is needed to see the statistics
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Jimmy on July 29, 2020, 15:44
Pool made
Included wild card [icefrog's last map] ,because there has been alot of talk of "oldschool" dota around since latest Drako's map , so i included a real Oldschool map in the vote [ignore if reasons] , also few platforms use IceFrog maps so another reason to include as wild card.
For other Two choices, preety much Latest map-Previous Map due active conversation progress.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: AntlermanXXL on July 29, 2020, 20:13
what a weak naga siren why you change that heros skills idk and i lost a lot of shortcut skill.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/694417352
Naga now is even more cool than before

random radio tapok jokes
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Sejanus on July 30, 2020, 08:58
And the poll is gone🥺

Given to us just to take it away🤪

Not cool😁 even if it had no effect it was nice to see that 65%+ agree this version went too far 😬 😅
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: grga_man on July 30, 2020, 11:04
I really dont understand you people, you are remanent, you all have narrow mind.
So imagine if they return map, you will lets say next 2 years play same map, and will never change (if im right, only draco is working on map development for D1)
map has changed in better way, i hate when people go wood, now less exp in wood, also bounty every 5 minutes for all players not much difference than before, so this is better supports get more gold, obs free, more map awarness, more team fights, dota is more intriguing now.
so i think opinion of fortepsai who makes athens on necrolyte, will take effect for map change or sejanus who steal runes from midder who has bottle. This aint game for you then..
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: BestMurlocPlay on July 30, 2020, 15:39
I stopped playing since upgraded to new map.  Because everything changed to dota2. Im an old school player so i didnt liked dota2. I was playing here for old days just because dota was stil like 'dota1'
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Corristo on July 30, 2020, 17:11
I really dont understand you people, you are remanent, you all have narrow mind.
So imagine if they return map, you will lets say next 2 years play same map, and will never change (if im right, only draco is working on map development for D1)
map has changed in better way, i hate when people go wood, now less exp in wood, also bounty every 5 minutes for all players not much difference than before, so this is better supports get more gold, obs free, more map awarness, more team fights, dota is more intriguing now.
so i think opinion of fortepsai who makes athens on necrolyte, will take effect for map change or sejanus who steal runes from midder who has bottle. This aint game for you then..

And I really don't understand why all of you who support the new map, don't go and play Dota2. Better graphics, more smoother gameplay, regular and professional updates. It's super similar to the new map. You can shine there all you want, and become a paid pro player?
In the last 10 years Dota1 classic was pretty much the same, and guess what? We fucking loved it! As we played it for 10 years, we will play for another 10 without any problems. You all talk about moving forward, well, Dota moved forward with Dota2 long ago. Its you the ones who stayed behind for no reason. And now you are making classic dota1 become dota2 for no reason.
So tell me, why don't you go play Dota2 and leave us (old school players) alone to have fun here?

I just noticed the poll was closed as well. That's how much this server cares about it's players opinions.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: cen on July 30, 2020, 19:50
Poll will be opened over the weekend and stay open for a few days. Then we will decide what to do depending on the results (with staff having the last word, consider this a consultation poll). By that time everyone should have plenty enough time to play the map (almost two weeks) and evaluate.

To keep it simple, I propose we just have options to stay on v7 or go back to v6. That will decide what will be played for the near future until v7 is released in full. Meaning we will need to make a second more permanent decision sometime in the autumn.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on July 30, 2020, 20:47
Why not let the poll open for longest but let people change their votes? Dont think all can vote in 1 day and problem is that many players dont visit forum so need to change channel topics and make announcements and it takes time
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: cen on July 30, 2020, 20:51
It will be open for at least 4 days, so no need to worry about that. Anyone who cares about this topic will know it exists.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: melih06 on July 30, 2020, 23:23
Poll will be opened over the weekend and stay open for a few days. Then we will decide what to do depending on the results (with staff having the last word, consider this a consultation poll). By that time everyone should have plenty enough time to play the map (almost two weeks) and evaluate.

To keep it simple, I propose we just have options to stay on v7 or go back to v6. That will decide what will be played for the near future until v7 is released in full. Meaning we will need to make a second more permanent decision sometime in the autumn.

there is something you forgot. during that time everyone will have forgotten the game because we decided already we never play that shit 7.00 version map. i like innovations but just good innovations. you still insist about that 7.00 map it is hard to understand this.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Sejanus on July 31, 2020, 07:52
Soo many games now that one player owes without even having items😁

Definitely something is not right with some of the heroes.

😁Didn't ever see 40+ kills on single hero before, now like every tenth game someone gets greedy enough, and map allows him to, and the gap of levels makes it way easier to grief play, and ruin the game for others.

It's support solo stat play not the team as you guys think😁

Also waiting for a game seems way longer now, already some players have left?
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: grga_man on July 31, 2020, 10:48
I really dont understand you people, you are remanent, you all have narrow mind.
So imagine if they return map, you will lets say next 2 years play same map, and will never change (if im right, only draco is working on map development for D1)
map has changed in better way, i hate when people go wood, now less exp in wood, also bounty every 5 minutes for all players not much difference than before, so this is better supports get more gold, obs free, more map awarness, more team fights, dota is more intriguing now.
so i think opinion of fortepsai who makes athens on necrolyte, will take effect for map change or sejanus who steal runes from midder who has bottle. This aint game for you then..

And I really don't understand why all of you who support the new map, don't go and play Dota2. Better graphics, more smoother gameplay, regular and professional updates. It's super similar to the new map. You can shine there all you want, and become a paid pro player?
In the last 10 years Dota1 classic was pretty much the same, and guess what? We fucking loved it! As we played it for 10 years, we will play for another 10 without any problems. You all talk about moving forward, well, Dota moved forward with Dota2 long ago. Its you the ones who stayed behind for no reason. And now you are making classic dota1 become dota2 for no reason.
So tell me, why don't you go play Dota2 and leave us (old school players) alone to have fun here?

I just noticed the poll was closed as well. That's how much this server cares about it's players opinions.

I like old dota too, but nowadays dota (older version) isnt team game and 95% noobs on la, games are boring.(i can explain you in DM why is like this, if you are interested)
Question towards me: why i support this and why i dont switch to dota2.
1. I have virtual friends and i only play on weekend so i dont have time to play proffessional D2.
2. Also i cant adapt to hotkeys there because there are managed horizontally.
3. Because you are new player on D2, you will play with clueless russians (no offence)
who cant speak english and play worse than rl_valter.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: TooShade on July 31, 2020, 14:44
I think this 7.00 is really hard to all, It's not real DotA because everything (almost 70% of map comprising textures / Options Menu / heroes skills and whole map system) totally changed. Just reverte back to 6.90, acutally the best vesrion in my opinion (not offensive, just personal opinion, but I'm sure some others agree too).
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: myprecious on July 31, 2020, 15:18
why the fuck we even talking about 6.9 anymore, the out of date boring old bugged version should be put in recycle bin and get over with that already, tnx.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Deynro on July 31, 2020, 16:15
why the fuck we even talking about 6.9 anymore, the out of date boring old bugged version should be put in recycle bin and get over with that already, tnx.

Simple, they want their broken toy back instead of a new brand advanced toy.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on July 31, 2020, 16:31
Can gold placement be fixed pls? I just dont understand why it had to be moved

1. Many are used to look above from all old versions and now its down
2. It hovers over tooltips and you cant read the text there (for example in shop items). Why would you need the tooltips if you cant read them now
3. There is an empty space above now which has no use

(https://i.ibb.co/0f5DW7X/toolti.png)
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: MarvinJunior on July 31, 2020, 17:32
What is this new shit?! Bring back the good old school dota, where I can hang out with my friends in the jungle!
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: DracoL1ch on July 31, 2020, 21:48
how do you keep breaking tooltips to be below gold window? I've never got this error myself
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on July 31, 2020, 23:24
how do you keep breaking tooltips to be below gold window? I've never got this error myself

How i should know? We all have same wc3 version and map, so maybe others have the same problem

Also f9 works weird for me: first time i used it it crashed, then i used it on local and set some settings and saved. Now f9 doesnt work online but toggles windowed mode (which is what i need) but only after a few presses. The settings window never shows up at all
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: GIk on August 01, 2020, 02:00
I will say my opinion about this 7.00

There are few bugs , first one that luke already showed, second one after you use -cam command and press 1 (buttion selected for control hero)several times the camera moves left right right up and down, totally disoriented few times, and cooldown on skills are not visible; the last bug that i found its on F9 , one of my friends cant put Start Messages because then saved, the other commands no longer work and have to start all over again
And this last one i dont know if its a bug or not but , that gliph on the right of the map it is not updated when someone else uses it apart from you, meaning it does not show you that it is in the cooldown only if you use it.

I pretty like this new map, its very cool and much easier to play
I was waiting for those auto cast skills since dota 2 launched, I would like this to be on the inventory as well, that is, when you press space 2 times, for example, it will automatically apply to you, because now you have to wait to switch between auto cast and normal cast in order to do this job.
One thing that could be added next to Menu(f10) is Chat was enought space there for it and was much easier to acces and see instead of pressing f12 whole time
+ i would add that too by pressing Alt + click on item to see how much money do you Still need for it; and price for sentry should pe reduces to 80 in my opinion now that you have free wards

Things that i like in this new map are: NEW TECHIES ABSOLUTLY AMAZING,
Free wards, now some ppl may buy it ffs, recipe for aghanim to turn it in aura , kaya over powered item, free curiers and auto upg , now with buy back no more 50% less coins, shrine and a few more things that don't come to me at the moment

The only thing that i dont like its that new 3rd of cent, that i have to cast it and i would say also respawn time for early game..i think its too much, or for me seems to be so much, bcs in 60 seconds you can turn back the game in your advantage.Sometimes this is pretty cool sometimes not :D

I think this is a great map, you guys are just older for something new :))) so dont listen to them Draco, even ice frog made some shit maps that i didnt like but i still playd them :P
And if you turn back to 6.90 ill leave.. or atleast try to let both for play , who wants to play 6.90 and get psr can play that and who wants 7.00 ... same thing..
And as a challenge I would like to see in the next version something much more original made by you for the most part :D ,

Oh, and leave one link from the poll guys also on forum so we can easy acces it!

Enjoy the game, its not dota 2 yet, just some new features, some of them can be turned back to dota 1; some of them i would keep even if they are from dota 2.

Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Arthas on August 01, 2020, 08:17
GeneEric .....i liked your big and scary point of view ....thank you .

jimmy .....i liked the ferrari picture .....i didnt know you can talk ...XD

corristo ....nice omnislash man

Dracol1ch....for i did not like your posts in this discussion ....its a clown responds.....but i respect your work from the beginning to the end ....thank you and your team for your effort ....bad or good ....thank you
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Arthas on August 01, 2020, 08:57
the fuck guys both maps are good ...and hosting the 2 maps  wont diminish players pool as mentioned in the discussion ...it will be like joining ap or sd game ...we start warcrft and join the games available ...in the end the majority will force the minority to join their map...both maps should be available for hosting as the usual ways ...its not about fun and enjoy for most players whether they are good or bad .....its about dota addiction ...this is the very truth nobody mentioned...you want fun and  enjoy ...you give them both the maps and let them decide with time......... i want to play both maps.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: DracoL1ch on August 01, 2020, 09:22
how do you keep breaking tooltips to be below gold window? I've never got this error myself

How i should know? We all have same wc3 version and map, so maybe others have the same problem

Also f9 works weird for me: first time i used it it crashed, then i used it on local and set some settings and saved. Now f9 doesnt work online but toggles windowed mode (which is what i need) but only after a few presses. The settings window never shows up at all
exactly why I said "Ive never seen this issue"
only some ppl have it and still they cannot explain whats wrong with their WC3 or tools they're using or what happened before it went broken
F9 menu should work, but it also never had an option to toggle between windowed and fullscreen, where did you get this from?
is it directx or opengl?
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: boyka15 on August 01, 2020, 11:06
To much changes, just to much for one version dont like it!!!
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Practice on August 01, 2020, 12:09
i like new map! Thanks Sir DracoL1ch for Beautiful work, and all D1stats team for tests, its really big job. Dota 1 enters a new era !
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on August 01, 2020, 12:25
Quote
exactly why I said "Ive never seen this issue"
only some ppl have it and still they cannot explain whats wrong with their WC3 or tools they're using or what happened before it went broken
F9 menu should work, but it also never had an option to toggle between windowed and fullscreen, where did you get this from?
is it directx or opengl?

If you are interested, i have win 7, directx, windowed mode (because i record with obs sometimes). I didnt have obs running when i had these issues though. This version of wc3, most here use it: https://eurobattle.net/downloads/file/50

I mean this option which came instead of -windowed (did screenshot on LAN):

(https://i.ibb.co/4ZBw6kq/option.png)
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: GIk on August 01, 2020, 12:43
I would add how do you prevent creating fake accounts and voting on poll for your fav map? :o
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Sejanus on August 01, 2020, 13:11
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6313955

another example, rubick lose 2 towers mid early game to "sylla", to his BEAR actually.

and BEAR owes heroes better than hero itself.

Another RETARDED change.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: FataLity- on August 01, 2020, 13:37
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6313955

another example, rubick lose 2 towers mid early game to "sylla", to his BEAR actually.

and BEAR owes heroes better than hero itself.

Another RETARDED change.
Why dont you apply for a job in valve to replace icefrog. Im sure gaben will be impressed after hearing your opinions about lone druid
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on August 01, 2020, 13:44
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6313955

another example, rubick lose 2 towers mid early game to "sylla", to his BEAR actually.

and BEAR owes heroes better than hero itself.

Another RETARDED change.
Why dont you apply for a job in valve to replace icefrog. Im sure gaben will be impressed after hearing your opinions about lone druid

Bro, what we have now is dota 2 years ago, no? There were 1000000 balance changes since then, so maybe op druid was fixed later but for us still op?
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: DanceWithDeath on August 01, 2020, 14:01
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6313955

another example, rubick lose 2 towers mid early game to "sylla", to his BEAR actually.

and BEAR owes heroes better than hero itself.

Another RETARDED change.
(https://i.imgur.com/SHAcBsD.png)
damn... i win this imba syllaber... how could i do this ...
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Sejanus on August 01, 2020, 14:22
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6313955

another example, rubick lose 2 towers mid early game to "sylla", to his BEAR actually.

and BEAR owes heroes better than hero itself.

Another RETARDED change.
Why dont you apply for a job in valve to replace icefrog. Im sure gaben will be impressed after hearing your opinions about lone druid

Again fatality you are as clueless as your thousands of accounts 😁 if you can't see a simple crazy ass disbalance 😁 and you prefer to talk to me than about the map😁
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Sejanus on August 01, 2020, 14:23
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6313955

another example, rubick lose 2 towers mid early game to "sylla", to his BEAR actually.

and BEAR owes heroes better than hero itself.

Another RETARDED change.
Why dont you apply for a job in valve to replace icefrog. Im sure gaben will be impressed after hearing your opinions about lone druid

Bro, what we have now is dota 2 years ago, no? There were 1000000 balance changes since then, so maybe op druid was fixed later but for us still op?

He tanked five of us about min 20 🤣 and he still didn't die🤣 three stuns etc. Feel free to have a look on a reply, it's worse than first version of monkey🤣
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: FataLity- on August 01, 2020, 15:02
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6313955

another example, rubick lose 2 towers mid early game to "sylla", to his BEAR actually.

and BEAR owes heroes better than hero itself.

Another RETARDED change.
Why dont you apply for a job in valve to replace icefrog. Im sure gaben will be impressed after hearing your opinions about lone druid

Bro, what we have now is dota 2 years ago, no? There were 1000000 balance changes since then, so maybe op druid was fixed later but for us still op?

He tanked five of us about min 20 🤣 and he still didn't die🤣 three stuns etc. Feel free to have a look on a reply, it's worse than first version of monkey🤣
okay I put my time in and watched your replay.
First of all you put a hero bad against lone druid and I saw your comment "how does int hero lose to lone druid" that's not how dota works primary attributes have little effect on landing stage. Lone druid is much stronger laner than many heroes specially much stronger than a rubick. Nevertheless rubick player is playing on autopilot just attacking creeps on autoattack and sometimes casts second spell. There is a huge playergap.
So while this guy is farming freely on mid you guys are stealing your each others farm staying low on levels and items and your 6 level team with 0 item(literally 0) is trying to stop freefarm lonedruid who pressed his ulti. Thus you feed him more. After this point game is over about minute 20.
And with the new patch you dont try to kill lone druid on his ulti you try to kill his spirit bear which is far less tanky and you could with your heroes but you and your team is not even playing dota neither the sentinel team but at least their mid player owned his lane and scaling on creeps.
I really dont understand how you expect to win any other hero like Lanaya qop etc would do the same to your team maybe your could kill qop once or twice since its not as tanky as lone druid but its not about the hero. You guys dont even do anything to win the game its like 2k mmr bracket in dota2. If you put 4k player on other teams mid he will win it alone. If he wasnt mid and you put him in your team lets say instead of sk he wouldnt be able to perform this well aswell.
Returning to map which you think is responsible no its not. Lone druid wasnt as good as it is now but you could do much better with visage or tusk last patch. You dont even need to win your lane you just get 6 and destroy everyone. I played / played against lonedruid 5-6 times this patch and it is how it is supposed to be
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: GeneEric on August 01, 2020, 16:27

Bro, what we have now is dota 2 years ago, no? There were 1000000 balance changes since then, so maybe op druid was fixed later but for us still op?

Not exactly, what you have now is :
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Corristo on August 01, 2020, 17:11
So as a conclusion we everybody who are PRO and CONTRA for the new map can agree that, the map is going toward being Dota 2, in a war3 skin right?
The main question is therefore, if we want to play classic dota1 or a cheap copy of dota2 map, put into action in Dota1 graphics?

If you are PRO for the new map, why don't just move and play Dota2?
If you are CON for the new map, why even argue about what is bad in the new map, since its 90% Dota2?

This whole conversation is pointless therefore.

All of you so called ''pros'' who are listing tons of pro changes, and making fun of the classic dota1 loving players here on the forum: why didn't you go play Dota2 already long ago? Why I don't see your nicks in professional Dota2 teams and tournaments? Maybe you aren't ''pros'' in the sense of the word itself, but you are feeling comfy just to tell the ''noobs'' here on the forum, while thinking yourself some kind of skillfuly and morally superior players.

No you aren't. If you would be pros, you would play DOta2 already on big tournaments.making fame and money. But you don't. Meaning you are lowskill players, same as the rest of us.

So you can stop telling us what is good and what is bad, all the while insulting us being lowskill players, who don't know shit about the map.Couse you don't know shit neighter.

This map is killing classic Dota1, and morphing into Dota2.
The question is, who asked for this, why are we forced into this, and why are players even support this instead of just fucking off to play Dota2?
Why do we have to play Dota2 on both platforms? Valve and war3?

Drakolich: Your posts on this forum section are the proof of what a childish person you are. You aren't a mapmaker, just a copy-paster guy of Dota2, who took the money from players who wanted to support classic Dota1. Imagine their frustration when they saw this new map of yours. I don't think they all donated money for 'this'.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Sejanus on August 01, 2020, 17:50
So as a conclusion we everybody who are PRO and CONTRA for the new map can agree that, the map is going toward being Dota 2, in a war3 skin right?
The main question is therefore, if we want to play classic dota1 or a cheap copy of dota2 map, put into action in Dota1 graphics?

If you are PRO for the new map, why don't just move and play Dota2?
If you are CON for the new map, why even argue about what is bad in the new map, since its 90% Dota2?

This whole conversation is pointless therefore.

All of you so called ''pros'' who are listing tons of pro changes, and making fun of the classic dota1 loving players here on the forum: why didn't you go play Dota2 already long ago? Why I don't see your nicks in professional Dota2 teams and tournaments? Maybe you aren't ''pros'' in the sense of the word itself, but you are feeling comfy just to tell the ''noobs'' here on the forum, while thinking yourself some kind of skillfuly and morally superior players.

No you aren't. If you would be pros, you would play DOta2 already on big tournaments.making fame and money. But you don't. Meaning you are lowskill players, same as the rest of us.

So you can stop telling us what is good and what is bad, all the while insulting us being lowskill players, who don't know shit about the map.Couse you don't know shit neighter.

This map is killing classic Dota1, and morphing into Dota2.
The question is, who asked for this, why are we forced into this, and why are players even support this instead of just fucking off to play Dota2?
Why do we have to play Dota2 on both platforms? Valve and war3?

Drakolich: Your posts on this forum section are the proof of what a childish person you are. You aren't a mapmaker, just a copy-paster guy of Dota2, who took the money from players who wanted to support classic Dota1. Imagine their frustration when they saw this new map of yours. I don't think they all donated money for 'this'.

Well said man 👌
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: FataLity- on August 01, 2020, 18:15
So as a conclusion we everybody who are PRO and CONTRA for the new map can agree that, the map is going toward being Dota 2, in a war3 skin right?
The main question is therefore, if we want to play classic dota1 or a cheap copy of dota2 map, put into action in Dota1 graphics?

If you are PRO for the new map, why don't just move and play Dota2?
If you are CON for the new map, why even argue about what is bad in the new map, since its 90% Dota2?

This whole conversation is pointless therefore.

All of you so called ''pros'' who are listing tons of pro changes, and making fun of the classic dota1 loving players here on the forum: why didn't you go play Dota2 already long ago? Why I don't see your nicks in professional Dota2 teams and tournaments? Maybe you aren't ''pros'' in the sense of the word itself, but you are feeling comfy just to tell the ''noobs'' here on the forum, while thinking yourself some kind of skillfuly and morally superior players.

No you aren't. If you would be pros, you would play DOta2 already on big tournaments.making fame and money. But you don't. Meaning you are lowskill players, same as the rest of us.

So you can stop telling us what is good and what is bad, all the while insulting us being lowskill players, who don't know shit about the map.Couse you don't know shit neighter.

This map is killing classic Dota1, and morphing into Dota2.
The question is, who asked for this, why are we forced into this, and why are players even support this instead of just fucking off to play Dota2?
Why do we have to play Dota2 on both platforms? Valve and war3?

Drakolich: Your posts on this forum section are the proof of what a childish person you are. You aren't a mapmaker, just a copy-paster guy of Dota2, who took the money from players who wanted to support classic Dota1. Imagine their frustration when they saw this new map of yours. I don't think they all donated money for 'this'.
Hahaha not being pro doesn't mean you understand the game same level as people who are not pro. I'm telling you I was in europe leaderboard (top 200) in 2015 before quitting dota 2 however there was a huge gap of skill between me and pro players who actually earn money which is enough to survive. It doesn't mean that I'm a bad player or don't understand the game much better than you just because I don't make my living from dota2.

This map is not copy of dota 2 so I dont understand how can you say its same and go play there its same shit. First of all its running on warcraft 3 engine with mixture of balance changes from different patches.
I'm telling you this map is much better because its new and versatile.
I also understand why you want to stay at the old patch. You haven't even understood that map yet thus you are not ready for new. If you tried few weeks you would perform the same in new map anyway. You will say I want my old map I dont like this ones view to counter this but everyone knows that you are just lazy to adapt. What you dont understand is me and many players are BORED from the old map. We already know what heroes do well, which builds are good where to farm etc. So its basically known game unlike this new patch.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: AntlermanXXL on August 01, 2020, 18:35
So as a conclusion we everybody who are PRO and CONTRA for the new map can agree that, the map is going toward being Dota 2, in a war3 skin right?
The main question is therefore, if we want to play classic dota1 or a cheap copy of dota2 map, put into action in Dota1 graphics?

If you are PRO for the new map, why don't just move and play Dota2?
If you are CON for the new map, why even argue about what is bad in the new map, since its 90% Dota2?

This whole conversation is pointless therefore.
Well, for myself, personally, i feel it a bit weird to see it getting closer and closer to Dota 2 state, since we are here oldschool misters and we come to play to seek for our nostalgic feelings, but not anything professional-competitive related (for competitive gameplay, i was always sending people to play Dota2 instead)
But again, i note - that's personally. While, by logic and brain usage i support this movement with semi-following dota2, at least because, as it been said by mister earthshaker not using fissure on time jeandorc, - Dracolich does not have full squad of game designers who can balance the game in the best way, while Volvo has such paid professional squad, along with a way to gather extended statistics about gameplay.

And probably, without any updates it would probably become boring to play same map over and over.
Someone said that we were absolutely fine while playing abandoned Icefrog's map for 10 years, well:
We all remember massive memory leak while having leoric in-game, we all remember broken linken effects, we all remember lycantrope being just stuck while casting ulti, we all remember broken stun mechanics, we all remember broken 'doom' spell-type effect, a lot of things
I mean, it was just packed with bugs and engine limitations, which made many cool players leave this map in first place (Hello, @CoMMoN13371337)
Mister dracol1ch carefully fixed it (linken is still under updating) in his map

All of you so called ''pros'' who are listing tons of pro changes, and making fun of the classic dota1 loving players here on the forum: why didn't you go play Dota2 already long ago? Why I don't see your nicks in professional Dota2 teams and tournaments? Maybe you aren't ''pros'' in the sense of the word itself, but you are feeling comfy just to tell the ''noobs'' here on the forum, while thinking yourself some kind of skillfuly and morally superior players.

No you aren't. If you would be pros, you would play DOta2 already on big tournaments.making fame and money. But you don't. Meaning you are lowskill players, same as the rest of us.

I almost carefully followed this whole thread, probably missed something, please, correct me if i am wrong, but i did not find that anyone called himself 'pro' and stating the difference between our skill levels (meanwhile difference is, honestly, quite big). I mean, no one here, if i am not wrong, self-bragged about his knowledge while at same time trolling true oldschcool Dota1 players, and at same time using it as argument;

So you can stop telling us what is good and what is bad, all the while insulting us being lowskill players, who don't know shit about the map.Couse you don't know shit neighter.

This line is based on some nonsense, i think just to ignore it (obviously map knowledge difference is big, but again - it is not a reason to have conflicts; Personally i would love to help people to learn the game, if they want)

Drakolich: Your posts on this forum section are the proof of what a childish person you are. You aren't a mapmaker, just a copy-paster guy of Dota2, who took the money from players who wanted to support classic Dota1. Imagine their frustration when they saw this new map of yours. I don't think they all donated money for 'this'.
Well, this thread started with absolutely invalid arguments, until some viable insights appeared (including your here)
So he answered in a fashion of those arguments, it is obvious
He is smart person and can be communicative and helpful if you know how to speak, rather than just throwing random 'arguments' (here i relate to those unrelated argument spammers, not you)

I feel your point of destroying Dota1 and nostalgic environment we had while playing this for years, i have same inner feeling.
But I kind of support both versions, since new one is awesome too, has a lot of balance/gameplay/strategy improvements which i like (maybe, even love), and can joyfully share and explain on demand
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: DracoL1ch on August 01, 2020, 18:38
qqbabies with "too much dota2" arguments can go play 6.81, dont ever speak about any of my maps - get back to the classic.
I wont agree with "this is too much changes". There were just as big patches back to 2006-8, and nobody rly bothered, just moved on.
Also neutral items arent cornerstones of balancing for d2 for many reasons, it doesn't matter for us.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Practice on August 01, 2020, 18:45
Well said man 👌  :y: :y:
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Practice on August 01, 2020, 18:46
qqbabies with "too much dota2" arguments can go play 6.81, dont ever speak about any of my maps - get back to the classic.
I wont agree with "this is too much changes". There were just as big patches back to 2006-8, and nobody rly bothered, just moved on.
Also neutral items arent cornerstones of balancing for d2 for many reasons, it doesn't matter for us.
Well said man 👌 :y: :y:
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: GeneEric on August 01, 2020, 19:02
Are you implying that 4 items for free every 10 mins(after the 7th minute) are not a cornerstone in dota2 balance, when they have been changed in all major patches except the last one or two? For big portions of gametime the neutral item is the strongest that the pos5 even has, and for some some pos4 its also extremely strong(sky+net for one). This understatement of the power that 1 extra item like Essence Ring or Vamp fangs give is quite astounding, when you sometimes keep these even on cores until the end of the game.If they are not cornerstones of balancing, why does he keep them in the game, fun and memes? Valve pays a balancing team to mess around with useless changes for consecutive patches, on something that is not important?

And afaik this is a thread where we share thoughts about the map, maybe offering a different insight that was not considered in the development process, although the chances of something changing seem very slim. :)
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: DracoL1ch on August 01, 2020, 19:18
because shrines are big game changer for many mid heroes
cant ignore shrines because how good they are for faster games
cant put shrines on old landscape and keep it balanced
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: DracoL1ch on August 01, 2020, 19:18
also for local luddits who cant read more than 3 lines
http://blog.d1stats.ru/blog/corp/330.html
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Corristo on August 01, 2020, 19:42
qqbabies with "too much dota2" arguments can go play 6.81, dont ever speak about any of my maps - get back to the classic.
I wont agree with "this is too much changes". There were just as big patches back to 2006-8, and nobody rly bothered, just moved on.
Also neutral items arent cornerstones of balancing for d2 for many reasons, it doesn't matter for us.

I'm curious, why don't you kept Dota 1 terrain and kept adding new stuff from Dota2?

Exactly my thoughts, big like for asking this.
At this point, if Drakolich would only implement the new hero (Mars), fix bugs, rebalance heroes skills and items, I would even welcome those changes. Not all are good for sure, but these changes can be and will be fixed in the future im confident.

What took away the Dota1 feeling, is the terrain changes (adding shrines/outposts, new runes, new roshan location) which are direct copies from Dota2, and the new UI. Rollback the terrain, rollback the UI, and from my part, the rest is fine.
To test 100+ heroes takes time anyway, and I'm sure the bugs/unbalanced heroes will be fixed later.

The game crashed for me as well pressing F9.

Again Drakolich, I understand your feelings when you are criticized, being a mapmaker myself, but try to take it as an adult, not as a child which is reflected in your forum answers.

I can only hope for a version, where both classic players and new map supporters are partly satisfied at least. That would be the rollback option in my opinion, at least you could make a test-map for this.
Old terrain, old UI, and new hero changes, bug fixes.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: DracoL1ch on August 01, 2020, 20:34
you can make your own dota anytime, with any classic things you like, and be my competitor, no problems I can see.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on August 01, 2020, 21:08
Quote
Again Drakolich, I understand your feelings when you are criticized, being a mapmaker myself, but try to take it as an adult, not as a child which is reflected in your forum answers.

I think you just need to be more concrete.

For example,

I like:
- new items, heroes, other new things
- free wards (althrought i think they shouldn't be free but cost much less, like 25 gold maybe)
- free courier with autoupgrades (really cool feature, solves many problems like wasting gold on 5 couriers, share abuse, feeding with couriers etc)
- settings (can change things in 1 place even though its bugged for me i think its really good)
- balance changing (havent played enough to talk about op, not op but its good to see things moving)
- convenience things like new Glyph placement, aghanim not wasting slot
- visible minimap hero icons
- bug fixes

i don't like:
- Gold placement is really bad in sense of design (free space + position im not used to + covering tooltips, seems like bug though)
- Allies menu is hidden (i cant check who has which hero at start the regular way by clicking on it)
- Timer is a bit less visible (because of day/night picture) and on unusual place
- Gold, respawn timer colors dont match the map style, there is too much contrast with the surrounding
- Levels arent shown in the leaderboard (i saw it was fixed in next version)

Havent played much (mainly because of f9 crashes), so cant really say anything about other things.

So my main problem is the UI and f9 bugs. Also the terrain is very unusual but i guess its a matter of time to get used, especially secret shops and mid tower (since im that support ganking mid)

Main problem on this server is: Many people are conservative and dont want to learn or see new things, they also are here for the nostalgia feeling which is much smaller now due to the new atmosphere

My suggestions:
- Keep the old UI or make it customizable
- Introduce new changes slower if possible, so people get used to them step by step

Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: DracoL1ch on August 02, 2020, 12:24
attach F9 crashlogs already, all you can do, the more the better
wc3 folder / errors / .txt files
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on August 02, 2020, 13:02
attach F9 crashlogs already, all you can do, the more the better
wc3 folder / errors / .txt files

This?
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: .SaLiH. on August 02, 2020, 17:39
@FataLity- I think bulldog would be disappointed if ld would be mega nerfed by sejanus
---

Mister Corristo

btw I think its either you cant understand (maybe cant accept) or you cant express your feelings/thoughts.

- I mean there were no 'bounty runes' in the first place, but they were updated.
- Roshan pit was changed few times even before, why you didnt start a 'riot' against icefrog then? (also, if I am not mistaken, this roshan pit was actually present in some previous version of iceforgs map)
- If you are a 'map-maker' you should know how things work, then why you keep saying unrelated things? Its not like you agree with mister Monax who is trying to help with the 'oldschool' stuff.  You just dont know what is even bad in this map and you just keep telling random stuff.

Please dont say 'i am map maker thats why I know this is bad..', you never developed DotA.

I still think that you are trolling either yourself or us.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Corristo on August 02, 2020, 18:30
@FataLity- I think bulldog would be disappointed if ld would be mega nerfed by sejanus
---

Mister Corristo

btw I think its either you cant understand (maybe cant accept) or you cant express your feelings/thoughts.

- I mean there were no 'bounty runes' in the first place, but they were updated.
- Roshan pit was changed few times even before, why you didnt start a 'riot' against icefrog then? (also, if I am not mistaken, this roshan pit was actually present in some previous version of iceforgs map)
- If you are a 'map-maker' you should know how things work, then why you keep saying unrelated things? Its not like you agree with mister Monax who is trying to help with the 'oldschool' stuff.  You just dont know what is even bad in this map and you just keep telling random stuff.

Please dont say 'i am map maker thats why I know this is bad..', you never developed DotA.

I still think that you are trolling either yourself or us.

If you don't understand what I'm saying, then re-read my posts until you do.I don't like to repeat myself, and I won't do it now because your reading/understanding is below average.
Sorry.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: .SaLiH. on August 03, 2020, 03:28
@FataLity- I think bulldog would be disappointed if ld would be mega nerfed by sejanus
---

Mister Corristo

btw I think its either you cant understand (maybe cant accept) or you cant express your feelings/thoughts.

- I mean there were no 'bounty runes' in the first place, but they were updated.
- Roshan pit was changed few times even before, why you didnt start a 'riot' against icefrog then? (also, if I am not mistaken, this roshan pit was actually present in some previous version of iceforgs map)
- If you are a 'map-maker' you should know how things work, then why you keep saying unrelated things? Its not like you agree with mister Monax who is trying to help with the 'oldschool' stuff.  You just dont know what is even bad in this map and you just keep telling random stuff.

Please dont say 'i am map maker thats why I know this is bad..', you never developed DotA.

I still think that you are trolling either yourself or us.

If you don't understand what I'm saying, then re-read my posts until you do.I don't like to repeat myself, and I won't do it now because your reading/understanding is below average.
Sorry.
But I can't see a proper answer beside your insult, still?
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: myprecious on August 04, 2020, 23:48
@Sejanus i guess it is better with useless broken bugged shit bear in 6.89,you can deal with that coz hero is completely trash.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on August 05, 2020, 00:12
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Points:
- some of the bugs and imbalances mentioned tell me it is not quite the prime time for v7, we will wait for final release before putting it back as default.
- I don't have time to update map versions every week
- at the same time it would be nice to have a mechanism for testing betas before release and not have such radical changes mid-season. !privobs will allow this.
- !privobs does not allow pubbing the game but that restriction will be removed for now
- I expect v6 will have to be removed in the long term, depending on the game stats.


I think nobody will use !privobs, so this basically means complete return. Autohosting would be good to fix this.

Seems like some things were fixed in next versions and we dont have newest 1. How come updating version takes much time though?

There seem to be some imbalances indeed. And experienced people come to kill us who arent used to the map here.

But in long term cant offer solution, just commenting on this post
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: FataLity- on August 05, 2020, 00:43
I dont know who decides that there are imbalances since cen doesn't play the game but nothing can be imbalanced more than 6.90 tuskar and visage. We just got used to terrain now taking it back and gotto get used to old one again despite votes or on the side of 7.0. Weird decision
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: GIk on August 05, 2020, 00:44
You all totally fucked up the game, enjoy playing this shit 6.90 .im done
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: GIk on August 05, 2020, 00:53
I dont get what type of feedbacks do you needed to changed back into  that shit 6.90 with bugs and shits, and dont listening to others who say that is better to play 7.00
At least please, next time dont fucking change the map , and show them the project you got, dont fuck us by changing this game 10 times, after we played a while
And for 10 idiots who didnt like that map on forum we have to change it back, when no one was talking ingame about no likeing that new map
So gg, well done
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Happy.. on August 05, 2020, 01:14
@cen With this decision, you're just delaying the inevitable and setting us back for 6 months. People have just started aclimating, bringing the old map back will just escalate into more problems when the time comes to reupload v7 again.

By saying that 7.0 is imbalanced compared to 6.9 just confirms that you shouldn't be taking up for yourself to make such a decision.

Putting the above arguments aside, the poll results were in favor of v7 too.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: MarvinJunior on August 05, 2020, 03:16
Great decision, now I can go back to climbing the ladder with my boy Corristo and hopefully all the greedy pro players are gone.

Give the players what they want, 6.83! LETS GO
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Corristo on August 05, 2020, 06:53
Great decision, now I can go back to climbing the ladder with my boy Corristo and hopefully all the greedy pro players are gone.

Give the players what they want, 6.83! LETS GO

Lol dude,long story short: pro players are playing DOta2 long ago. These so called pros here, just have a potato PC, and they cant run proper Dota2. So they are trying to morph Dota1 into Dota2.
I'm glad we can finally return to classic dota1, maybe Drakolich will change his mind and make a rollback for the UI and the terrain, so it can fit classic players desire as well. This would be a long run solution for both sides. But knowing him he won't rollback anything out of principle.
See you ingame lads!
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Noci on August 05, 2020, 09:14
Great decision !!!  I'm glad they heard the voice of the players.
Dota 1 is something what is unique and shouldn't be replaced with cheap versions of Dota 2. Admins and Map creators should separate Dota 1 and Dota 2 and consider in future to keep that way.The old classic Dota 1 is back, as most of the people wanted.
I'm very happy! Dota 1 and Dota 2 are two different stories which should be respected as they are. Mixing each other is making something which is not good for the both sides. Now we all go back to fight for our psr as we did before the new update. See you back in the game 6.90 !!! Classic Dota 1 is back !   ;D ;D :y: :y:
Have fun all! Greetings  :peace:
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Sejanus on August 05, 2020, 09:15
I don't know why you guys complain so much about cens decision, as he did keep new map as well, and you can host it by using certain command.

And yeah 7.0 has more imbalances than 6.90. You speak about tuskar, and visage, while in 7.0 is tons of heroes like that. Still as I said nobody stops you from playing it.

In my opinion both sides won, and now the players who left can return too, lobby waiting time was quite long last week or so, now it will be faster, and with option for everyone till 7.0 gets balanced up.

And once that happen it will be the default map again.

Ps. Hero balance most crucial change that need to happen there, coin counter placement should be reviewed, hero levels need to be displayed, and wards should never be free(I don't know why, but since they are free people don't wanna use them, I have to support play every game on my weaver, nobody wants to place them).

About terrain colours, and change, it was a big one for me, but I really got used to it, doesn't bother me anymore at all.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: myprecious on August 05, 2020, 13:25
I can't actually believe it the old map is still here and the choice... so bad thuglife,feelsbadman.
but if I take a look at the situation maybe it's better for that ppl who still wants to play the old one they don't actually join the new map and ruin gameplay.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: GIk on August 05, 2020, 14:22
You are all crazy, so you all want classic dota? from when 6.90 its classic?
If you want to play the real dota, let's go back in time and play 1.24e, becouse that is the real dota, not even 6.90, 6.88 etc
You guys just cant adapt, and talking shit about features changes, when also from 1.24 to 6.90 everything changed, heros, texture , coins added and more shits on the map we were playing, you cant accept updates, so why we dont play this map 10 years, who cares couse there is the same thing to do, and people with who understanded the game knows exactly what items and shit needs to do in game
But congratz, keep fucking up this dota!
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: .SaLiH. on August 05, 2020, 17:12
I don't know why you guys complain so much about cens decision, as he did keep new map as well, and you can host it by using certain command.
I agree with this.

If you want to play the real dota, let's go back in time and play 1.24e,
I also agree with this, it would be mega cool wouldnt it? Playing with VGs and stuff. Even tho we did it in 6.90 with our friendly polak players and deer squad.

And also 'potato pc' sounds funny, I liked that

Thanks !
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: grga_man on August 05, 2020, 18:00
Great decision !!!  I'm glad they heard the voice of the players.
Dota 1 is something what is unique and shouldn't be replaced with cheap versions of Dota 2. Admins and Map creators should separate Dota 1 and Dota 2 and consider in future to keep that way.The old classic Dota 1 is back, as most of the people wanted.
I'm very happy! Dota 1 and Dota 2 are two different stories which should be respected as they are. Mixing each other is making something which is not good for the both sides. Now we all go back to fight for our psr as we did before the new update. See you back in the game 6.90 !!! Classic Dota 1 is back !   ;D ;D :y: :y:
Have fun all! Greetings  :peace:

So talents are classic for you, extra slot for tp is classic for you, bounty runes are classic for you, new heroes are classic for you (mk, ww, earth spirit, oracle), new items like bloodthorn, glimmer, greaves etc. are classic for you???
You enjoy it because every year map is updating by something new, we will see how you will enjoy it when map doesnt update 10 years..
Draco make new terrain so by new terrain in future he can update a lot of new things (i think), by me its wise choice to do so, also new mechanics and staff way more better.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Corristo on August 05, 2020, 18:14
Great decision !!!  I'm glad they heard the voice of the players.
Dota 1 is something what is unique and shouldn't be replaced with cheap versions of Dota 2. Admins and Map creators should separate Dota 1 and Dota 2 and consider in future to keep that way.The old classic Dota 1 is back, as most of the people wanted.
I'm very happy! Dota 1 and Dota 2 are two different stories which should be respected as they are. Mixing each other is making something which is not good for the both sides. Now we all go back to fight for our psr as we did before the new update. See you back in the game 6.90 !!! Classic Dota 1 is back !   ;D ;D :y: :y:
Have fun all! Greetings  :peace:

So talents are classic for you, extra slot for tp is classic for you, bounty runes are classic for you, new heroes are classic for you (mk, ww, earth spirit, oracle), new items like bloodthorn, glimmer, greaves etc. are classic for you???
You enjoy it because every year map is updating by something new, we will see how you will enjoy it when map doesnt update 10 years..
Draco make new terrain so by new terrain in future he can update a lot of new things (i think), by me its wise choice to do so, also new mechanics and staff way more better.

"New mechanics and stuff"
Hahaha I laughed so good at this! :D
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: myprecious on August 06, 2020, 15:22
@Corristo without insult or anything against u,but ur skills are same as ur iq,at very low lvl.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Corristo on August 06, 2020, 15:36
@Corristo without insult or anything against u,but ur skills are same as ur iq,at very low lvl.

Lol. k nub.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: Povidlos on August 06, 2020, 18:58
 Where is the new map ?? I don't understand why these cormorants removed the new map from the host bots ?? All these "people" who voted for the old map are pathetic drinkers who haven't learned to play Dota in 15 years and who go into games to ruin them. Of course, they are too lazy to read the changelog and learn new mechanics. These "people" are incapable of developing and are the source of the decay of society, which must be fought, and not satisfied their wishes. The new map is more team play. The drinkers are accustomed to farm a desolator in the forest on the conditional Sand King and not bother about anything.  If the local administration has brains, then  must install a new map. Returning to the old is degradation.
  Let me remind you that the old map is also a product of Dracolich and his team, thanks to which we can play Dota 1 with new colors today. And what is your gratitude? Do you reject his new product, which has many times more functionality and variety? Seriously?? Shame!
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: iErnesto94 on August 09, 2020, 02:39
You can still play the new map.

/w la-dota !privobs gn
Join the game by typing the gn in the search bar.
Then, use the command !pub gn so that other players can see the game.
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on August 12, 2020, 21:25
Spider command center with broodmother doest work?

I press f2 and it isnt selected?
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: FataLity- on August 12, 2020, 21:36
Spider command center with broodmother doest work?

I press f2 and it isnt selected?
check your Select second hero hotkey from F9
Title: Re: new map 7.00
Post by: luke on August 13, 2020, 11:20
Spider command center with broodmother doest work?

I press f2 and it isnt selected?
check your Select second hero hotkey from F9

Checked, seems hotkey wasnt set, weird because f2 is default wc3 hotkey for second hero. I set works now,  :y: