Basically a thread with the most retarded/random pub builds which work in like only one case and fail in 99 other cases.Everything you mentioned is perfectly fine provided you just play it out properly, except for the ursa thing.
Example:
Vladmirs Vanguard Basher Anti-Mage, fuck Battlefury no one needs that.
Lothars on any agility carry, even against a Slardar.
No Blink Dagger Magnus.
Orb Effect Ursa, usually Madness, we don't have that DOTA 2 update here so his swipes are an orb effect, hence why people go for Vladmirs which is a lifesteal aura instead of an orb effect.
Aghanims Huskar. No. Just no. Fuck the cooldown decrease, its fucking pointless considering all the good items you can pick.
Radiance Bloodseeker. This build is already old, why don't you google up the DOTA 2 builds, Bloodseeker got a remake, you don't have a permanent Blood Bath now.
Cliff Jungling Furion and then going MAX Dagon. Really, if you want to have a better time jungling with this hero, I am planning on making a guide for Dota 6.83d and I will release it, might take a month or so, but you will be jungling faster than just TPing on one of the damn cliffs and going afk, eventually getting ganked and calling your teammates retards.
Anyone got some other builds that piss them off?
Basically a thread with the most retarded/random pub builds which work in like only one case and fail in 99 other cases.Everything you mentioned is perfectly fine provided you just play it out properly, except for the ursa thing.
Example:
Vladmirs Vanguard Basher Anti-Mage, fuck Battlefury no one needs that.
Lothars on any agility carry, even against a Slardar.
No Blink Dagger Magnus.
Orb Effect Ursa, usually Madness, we don't have that DOTA 2 update here so his swipes are an orb effect, hence why people go for Vladmirs which is a lifesteal aura instead of an orb effect.
Aghanims Huskar. No. Just no. Fuck the cooldown decrease, its fucking pointless considering all the good items you can pick.
Radiance Bloodseeker. This build is already old, why don't you google up the DOTA 2 builds, Bloodseeker got a remake, you don't have a permanent Blood Bath now.
Cliff Jungling Furion and then going MAX Dagon. Really, if you want to have a better time jungling with this hero, I am planning on making a guide for Dota 6.83d and I will release it, might take a month or so, but you will be jungling faster than just TPing on one of the damn cliffs and going afk, eventually getting ganked and calling your teammates retards.
Anyone got some other builds that piss them off?
The issue here is that everyone is horrible at the game, so what items you go for don't really matter when you take into account how bad you are.
Farm speed is irrelevant if you are too squishy and you get pushed and lose the game before you can put it to use, vanguard vlads basher provides good fighting ability early on, it is a very good situational build if you have other heroes that can carry in your team and if you are not the main farmer in your team.Basically a thread with the most retarded/random pub builds which work in like only one case and fail in 99 other cases.Everything you mentioned is perfectly fine provided you just play it out properly, except for the ursa thing.
Example:
Vladmirs Vanguard Basher Anti-Mage, fuck Battlefury no one needs that.
Lothars on any agility carry, even against a Slardar.
No Blink Dagger Magnus.
Orb Effect Ursa, usually Madness, we don't have that DOTA 2 update here so his swipes are an orb effect, hence why people go for Vladmirs which is a lifesteal aura instead of an orb effect.
Aghanims Huskar. No. Just no. Fuck the cooldown decrease, its fucking pointless considering all the good items you can pick.
Radiance Bloodseeker. This build is already old, why don't you google up the DOTA 2 builds, Bloodseeker got a remake, you don't have a permanent Blood Bath now.
Cliff Jungling Furion and then going MAX Dagon. Really, if you want to have a better time jungling with this hero, I am planning on making a guide for Dota 6.83d and I will release it, might take a month or so, but you will be jungling faster than just TPing on one of the damn cliffs and going afk, eventually getting ganked and calling your teammates retards.
Anyone got some other builds that piss them off?
The issue here is that everyone is horrible at the game, so what items you go for don't really matter when you take into account how bad you are.
Not really, this is like 90% old school stuff. It is better to go BF and Manta Anti Mage in like 90% of the games. You will farm faster and snowball faster, why would you go vladmirs vanguard?
Cliff jungling furion is simply put, horrible. There is a better way to jungle with him and since it is faster, it is more efficient. I was getting midas and treads before min 10.
Magnus without a blink is pretty bad, unless your opponents are under 1500.
And just seeing people buy lothars pisses me off, that is like 3k gold which will be gone to waste after someone decides to buy dust/sentry/gem.
That's just my opinion tho, this doesn't mean it doesn't work in lower rated pubs, but there are better ways to do it :P
Just to add one more thing:
Battlefury on ranged heroes. Playing on Garena, i asked someone why are you going BF on mirana? What did he reply?
To farm faster.
Well, we got that update in DOTA 2 now, BF works for ranged but it deals less %. Except that we aren't close to getting it in WC3 DotA
Basically a thread with the most retarded/random pub builds which work in like only one case and fail in 99 other cases.Everything you mentioned is perfectly fine provided you just play it out properly, except for the ursa thing.
Example:
Vladmirs Vanguard Basher Anti-Mage, fuck Battlefury no one needs that.
Lothars on any agility carry, even against a Slardar.
No Blink Dagger Magnus.
Orb Effect Ursa, usually Madness, we don't have that DOTA 2 update here so his swipes are an orb effect, hence why people go for Vladmirs which is a lifesteal aura instead of an orb effect.
Aghanims Huskar. No. Just no. Fuck the cooldown decrease, its fucking pointless considering all the good items you can pick.
Radiance Bloodseeker. This build is already old, why don't you google up the DOTA 2 builds, Bloodseeker got a remake, you don't have a permanent Blood Bath now.
Cliff Jungling Furion and then going MAX Dagon. Really, if you want to have a better time jungling with this hero, I am planning on making a guide for Dota 6.83d and I will release it, might take a month or so, but you will be jungling faster than just TPing on one of the damn cliffs and going afk, eventually getting ganked and calling your teammates retards.
Anyone got some other builds that piss them off?
The issue here is that everyone is horrible at the game, so what items you go for don't really matter when you take into account how bad you are.
Not really, this is like 90% old school stuff. It is better to go BF and Manta Anti Mage in like 90% of the games. You will farm faster and snowball faster, why would you go vladmirs vanguard?
Cliff jungling furion is simply put, horrible. There is a better way to jungle with him and since it is faster, it is more efficient. I was getting midas and treads before min 10.
Magnus without a blink is pretty bad, unless your opponents are under 1500.
And just seeing people buy lothars pisses me off, that is like 3k gold which will be gone to waste after someone decides to buy dust/sentry/gem.
That's just my opinion tho, this doesn't mean it doesn't work in lower rated pubs, but there are better ways to do it :P
Just to add one more thing:
Battlefury on ranged heroes. Playing on Garena, i asked someone why are you going BF on mirana? What did he reply?
To farm faster.
Well, we got that update in DOTA 2 now, BF works for ranged but it deals less %. Except that we aren't close to getting it in WC3 DotA
Farm speed is irrelevant if you are too squishy and you get pushed and lose the game before you can put it to use, vanguard vlads basher provides good fighting ability early on, it is a very good situational build if you have other heroes that can carry in your team and if you are not the main farmer in your team.
Lothar provides other things than invisibility which help many heroes a lot, the active is just an added bonus that makes people spend some gold on sentry/dust/gem. Playing against a slardar or gondar is absolutely irrelevant and should not influence your decision to go lothar any more than the fact that there are dust and sentry and gem available for everyone to buy in shops.
No blink dagger magnus can again be perfectly fine if you have other sources of initiation in your team and if you instead go for some aura build for example to make your team strong in fights.
Cliff jungling furion may not be faster than normal jungling furion however it does save some camps for other heroes or for supports to stack them for mid laner or carry which can be far better than a little more farmed furion.
Radiance bloodseeker is perfectly fine and logical, bloodseeker chases a lot, lesser hp enemies more movespeed, more movespeed greater benefit from radiance burn. Also increases his farming speed ridiculously much, and it doesn't matter if he doesn't have passive regen on creep/hero kill, at max lvl that skill can be applied permanently because it has less cooldown than it has duration.
Aghs huskar is great when you have plenty of heroes that can do stuff if someone else goes in first, the more he can go in, the better for those heroes in the backlines. Absolutely nothing wrong with it if picked in the right scenario it's great.
Ursa ofc is horrible if his passive ability is disabled from an item purchase fuckup, however you should really consider that maybe you are annoyed because you are playing with bad players that have no clue how to play, and not because of some specific things which as you can see are perfectly fine in some situations.
Gondar 1st item bf :D
I heard some ppl are making dagger + euls on sniper, omg so stupid
I heard some ppl are making dagger + euls on sniper, omg so stupid
Don't forget that Radiance, in case shrapnel doesn't prevent their Blink Daggers ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Basically a thread with the most retarded/random pub builds which work in like only one case and fail in 99 other cases.
Example:
Vladmirs Vanguard Basher Anti-Mage, fuck Battlefury no one needs that.
Lothars on any agility carry, even against a Slardar.
No Blink Dagger Magnus.
Orb Effect Ursa, usually Madness, we don't have that DOTA 2 update here so his swipes are an orb effect, hence why people go for Vladmirs which is a lifesteal aura instead of an orb effect.
Aghanims Huskar. No. Just no. Fuck the cooldown decrease, its fucking pointless considering all the good items you can pick.
Radiance Bloodseeker. This build is already old, why don't you google up the DOTA 2 builds, Bloodseeker got a remake, you don't have a permanent Blood Bath now.
Cliff Jungling Furion and then going MAX Dagon. Really, if you want to have a better time jungling with this hero, I am planning on making a guide for Dota 6.83d and I will release it, might take a month or so, but you will be jungling faster than just TPing on one of the damn cliffs and going afk, eventually getting ganked and calling your teammates retards.
Anyone got some other builds that piss them off?
Lothar's, as much as I dislike invis stuff, can be usefull. As others mentioned, it provides more than invisibility. Plus it can be upgraded into Silver Edge.
Does W3 DotA has this item?
Aghanim on Huskar can be good choice. Increases dmg from 35% to 65% and decreases cd to 4 seconds.
In W3 DotA the Life Break does 50% w/o Agha, right?
Radiance on BS is still good, just won't heal him "permanently".
It also will help whole team, as affected heroes has 17% to miss. In DotA 2.
And Aghanim for OD? Why not? It places all affected heroes Astral Imprisonment and damages them in D2.
Ahh, fuck it. Why am I in this discussion about stuff that was good or bad in old versions? :D
Lothar's, as much as I dislike invis stuff, can be usefull. As others mentioned, it provides more than invisibility. Plus it can be upgraded into Silver Edge.
Does W3 DotA has this item?
Aghanim on Huskar can be good choice. Increases dmg from 35% to 65% and decreases cd to 4 seconds.
In W3 DotA the Life Break does 50% w/o Agha, right?
Radiance on BS is still good, just won't heal him "permanently".
It also will help whole team, as affected heroes has 17% to miss. In DotA 2.
And Aghanim for OD? Why not? It places all affected heroes Astral Imprisonment and damages them in D2.
Ahh, fuck it. Why am I in this discussion about stuff that was good or bad in old versions? :D
Why are u even discussion obvious stuff, cant u realize that this guy's brain has been absubed by using mh
There is no rule book in dota, items and skill build should be done according to the situation u are in most of the time.
Basically a thread with the most retarded/random pub builds which work in like only one case and fail in 99 other cases.
Example:
Vladmirs Vanguard Basher Anti-Mage, fuck Battlefury no one needs that.
Lothars on any agility carry, even against a Slardar.
No Blink Dagger Magnus.
Orb Effect Ursa, usually Madness, we don't have that DOTA 2 update here so his swipes are an orb effect, hence why people go for Vladmirs which is a lifesteal aura instead of an orb effect.
Aghanims Huskar. No. Just no. Fuck the cooldown decrease, its fucking pointless considering all the good items you can pick.
Radiance Bloodseeker. This build is already old, why don't you google up the DOTA 2 builds, Bloodseeker got a remake, you don't have a permanent Blood Bath now.
Cliff Jungling Furion and then going MAX Dagon. Really, if you want to have a better time jungling with this hero, I am planning on making a guide for Dota 6.83d and I will release it, might take a month or so, but you will be jungling faster than just TPing on one of the damn cliffs and going afk, eventually getting ganked and calling your teammates retards.
Anyone got some other builds that piss them off?
Vanguard on AM is good sometimes, since there are moments where blink+3rd spell wont help you survive (versus some physical dmg rapists), and Vanguard makes you very hard to kill at that point. About vlads+vg+basher, well, if you skip the vlads so early, it's decent build. Ofc vlads can be useful also sometimes, so I disagree about this build being ''fail". It's just not effective as bfury, but your team (and your opponents) sometimes wont allow you to farm with 700hp till min ~20.
Lothars on any agility carry - Why not? Cause there are items 180/200gold which reveal you? So what? Lothar is mainly used to ''initiate'' a gank, therefore dust won't help them much, which leaves just sentries, which is a problem obviously. But let's look at the good sides of loth: 30% AS (it's not so irrelevant at all), decent escape/chase mechanism, and most important, it makes you unpredictable. You can gank anyone, anywhere. No one on map will feel safe to farm woods/lane while you have lothar, unless they got sentry ward somewhere close, and considering the fact that sentries last just few minutes, it's a big pain in the ass for the opponent if some mid-game agility rapist takes fast lothar (SF for instance). So, lothar is not a fail on a carry. Problem is that pubbers just cant use it properly, since they think it makes em immortal.
No dagger Magnus - Obviously you never played against some heavy dps'ers like veno/appa/sniper's shrapnel/zeus/etc who disable your dagger easily, and make you useless running-around cunt who cant use ulti properly. As commy mentioned, sometimes auras n stuff can help you alot instead of simple dagger, and ofc you shouldnt forget the force staff. So, in like 80% of games dagger is good choice, but sometimes it is just better to get smth else.
About ursa, as far as I know, swipes are no longer orb effect. Madness ain't working with ulti tho, but other orbs should work just fine I think, correct me if i'm wrong, since I didn't play ursa for a while.
Radi BS and scepter Husk - well, it is true that there are usually better items, but depends on game.
Cliff jungling Furion is decent. Why? Cause you farm without wasting ANY mana/hp. Which makes you always ready for a gank. Also, you are taking just one camp, so it leaves space for your teammates if they want to do smth in woods (stack, farm, pull). About you being gankable, well, you always have 2 cliffs, where the Sentinel one requires a bit more "skill" for proper farming. About maxing dagon, well, fail 97% of time :D
Therefore, almost everything you mentioned isn't so bad actually, there are often better solutions, but you can't say this is some huge fail. I'll tell you some huge fails:
- PL/AM or pretty much every agi hero, going first item vladimirs
- Slardar (or some other similar hero) going dagger without boots or anything
- Rushing radiance without boots, or anything
- Alche midas
- Obsi scepter
- Lich/CM arcane
And much more... ofc even some of these i've mentioned can be good in some games, like lich arcane for team if really needed, or rushing radiance if your team tactics rely on it.. everything in this game is optional, and any item can do decent, if used properly. Except fckin midas alche, it's damn 3 creeps with his passive :D But well, it can be used for some nice exp burst (usage on high-lvl neutrals), so... Everything is optional, and hugely depends on opponents/teammates/game itself
How often do you see people pick supports and actually support in pubs instead of farming like a late game hard carry and then just throwing an ultimate with an aghanims/orchid ?Basically a thread with the most retarded/random pub builds which work in like only one case and fail in 99 other cases.
Example:
Vladmirs Vanguard Basher Anti-Mage, fuck Battlefury no one needs that.
Lothars on any agility carry, even against a Slardar.
No Blink Dagger Magnus.
Orb Effect Ursa, usually Madness, we don't have that DOTA 2 update here so his swipes are an orb effect, hence why people go for Vladmirs which is a lifesteal aura instead of an orb effect.
Aghanims Huskar. No. Just no. Fuck the cooldown decrease, its fucking pointless considering all the good items you can pick.
Radiance Bloodseeker. This build is already old, why don't you google up the DOTA 2 builds, Bloodseeker got a remake, you don't have a permanent Blood Bath now.
Cliff Jungling Furion and then going MAX Dagon. Really, if you want to have a better time jungling with this hero, I am planning on making a guide for Dota 6.83d and I will release it, might take a month or so, but you will be jungling faster than just TPing on one of the damn cliffs and going afk, eventually getting ganked and calling your teammates retards.
Anyone got some other builds that piss them off?
Vanguard on AM is good sometimes, since there are moments where blink+3rd spell wont help you survive (versus some physical dmg rapists), and Vanguard makes you very hard to kill at that point. About vlads+vg+basher, well, if you skip the vlads so early, it's decent build. Ofc vlads can be useful also sometimes, so I disagree about this build being ''fail". It's just not effective as bfury, but your team (and your opponents) sometimes wont allow you to farm with 700hp till min ~20.
Lothars on any agility carry - Why not? Cause there are items 180/200gold which reveal you? So what? Lothar is mainly used to ''initiate'' a gank, therefore dust won't help them much, which leaves just sentries, which is a problem obviously. But let's look at the good sides of loth: 30% AS (it's not so irrelevant at all), decent escape/chase mechanism, and most important, it makes you unpredictable. You can gank anyone, anywhere. No one on map will feel safe to farm woods/lane while you have lothar, unless they got sentry ward somewhere close, and considering the fact that sentries last just few minutes, it's a big pain in the ass for the opponent if some mid-game agility rapist takes fast lothar (SF for instance). So, lothar is not a fail on a carry. Problem is that pubbers just cant use it properly, since they think it makes em immortal.
No dagger Magnus - Obviously you never played against some heavy dps'ers like veno/appa/sniper's shrapnel/zeus/etc who disable your dagger easily, and make you useless running-around cunt who cant use ulti properly. As commy mentioned, sometimes auras n stuff can help you alot instead of simple dagger, and ofc you shouldnt forget the force staff. So, in like 80% of games dagger is good choice, but sometimes it is just better to get smth else.
About ursa, as far as I know, swipes are no longer orb effect. Madness ain't working with ulti tho, but other orbs should work just fine I think, correct me if i'm wrong, since I didn't play ursa for a while.
Radi BS and scepter Husk - well, it is true that there are usually better items, but depends on game.
Cliff jungling Furion is decent. Why? Cause you farm without wasting ANY mana/hp. Which makes you always ready for a gank. Also, you are taking just one camp, so it leaves space for your teammates if they want to do smth in woods (stack, farm, pull). About you being gankable, well, you always have 2 cliffs, where the Sentinel one requires a bit more "skill" for proper farming. About maxing dagon, well, fail 97% of time :D
Therefore, almost everything you mentioned isn't so bad actually, there are often better solutions, but you can't say this is some huge fail. I'll tell you some huge fails:
- PL/AM or pretty much every agi hero, going first item vladimirs
- Slardar (or some other similar hero) going dagger without boots or anything
- Rushing radiance without boots, or anything
- Alche midas
- Obsi scepter
- Lich/CM arcane
And much more... ofc even some of these i've mentioned can be good in some games, like lich arcane for team if really needed, or rushing radiance if your team tactics rely on it.. everything in this game is optional, and any item can do decent, if used properly. Except fckin midas alche, it's damn 3 creeps with his passive :D But well, it can be used for some nice exp burst (usage on high-lvl neutrals), so... Everything is optional, and hugely depends on opponents/teammates/game itself
How often do you see people pick supports and actually support in pubs instead of farming like a late game hard carry and then just throwing an ultimate with an aghanims/orchid ?Basically a thread with the most retarded/random pub builds which work in like only one case and fail in 99 other cases.
Example:
Vladmirs Vanguard Basher Anti-Mage, fuck Battlefury no one needs that.
Lothars on any agility carry, even against a Slardar.
No Blink Dagger Magnus.
Orb Effect Ursa, usually Madness, we don't have that DOTA 2 update here so his swipes are an orb effect, hence why people go for Vladmirs which is a lifesteal aura instead of an orb effect.
Aghanims Huskar. No. Just no. Fuck the cooldown decrease, its fucking pointless considering all the good items you can pick.
Radiance Bloodseeker. This build is already old, why don't you google up the DOTA 2 builds, Bloodseeker got a remake, you don't have a permanent Blood Bath now.
Cliff Jungling Furion and then going MAX Dagon. Really, if you want to have a better time jungling with this hero, I am planning on making a guide for Dota 6.83d and I will release it, might take a month or so, but you will be jungling faster than just TPing on one of the damn cliffs and going afk, eventually getting ganked and calling your teammates retards.
Anyone got some other builds that piss them off?
Vanguard on AM is good sometimes, since there are moments where blink+3rd spell wont help you survive (versus some physical dmg rapists), and Vanguard makes you very hard to kill at that point. About vlads+vg+basher, well, if you skip the vlads so early, it's decent build. Ofc vlads can be useful also sometimes, so I disagree about this build being ''fail". It's just not effective as bfury, but your team (and your opponents) sometimes wont allow you to farm with 700hp till min ~20.
Lothars on any agility carry - Why not? Cause there are items 180/200gold which reveal you? So what? Lothar is mainly used to ''initiate'' a gank, therefore dust won't help them much, which leaves just sentries, which is a problem obviously. But let's look at the good sides of loth: 30% AS (it's not so irrelevant at all), decent escape/chase mechanism, and most important, it makes you unpredictable. You can gank anyone, anywhere. No one on map will feel safe to farm woods/lane while you have lothar, unless they got sentry ward somewhere close, and considering the fact that sentries last just few minutes, it's a big pain in the ass for the opponent if some mid-game agility rapist takes fast lothar (SF for instance). So, lothar is not a fail on a carry. Problem is that pubbers just cant use it properly, since they think it makes em immortal.
No dagger Magnus - Obviously you never played against some heavy dps'ers like veno/appa/sniper's shrapnel/zeus/etc who disable your dagger easily, and make you useless running-around cunt who cant use ulti properly. As commy mentioned, sometimes auras n stuff can help you alot instead of simple dagger, and ofc you shouldnt forget the force staff. So, in like 80% of games dagger is good choice, but sometimes it is just better to get smth else.
About ursa, as far as I know, swipes are no longer orb effect. Madness ain't working with ulti tho, but other orbs should work just fine I think, correct me if i'm wrong, since I didn't play ursa for a while.
Radi BS and scepter Husk - well, it is true that there are usually better items, but depends on game.
Cliff jungling Furion is decent. Why? Cause you farm without wasting ANY mana/hp. Which makes you always ready for a gank. Also, you are taking just one camp, so it leaves space for your teammates if they want to do smth in woods (stack, farm, pull). About you being gankable, well, you always have 2 cliffs, where the Sentinel one requires a bit more "skill" for proper farming. About maxing dagon, well, fail 97% of time :D
Therefore, almost everything you mentioned isn't so bad actually, there are often better solutions, but you can't say this is some huge fail. I'll tell you some huge fails:
- PL/AM or pretty much every agi hero, going first item vladimirs
- Slardar (or some other similar hero) going dagger without boots or anything
- Rushing radiance without boots, or anything
- Alche midas
- Obsi scepter
- Lich/CM arcane
And much more... ofc even some of these i've mentioned can be good in some games, like lich arcane for team if really needed, or rushing radiance if your team tactics rely on it.. everything in this game is optional, and any item can do decent, if used properly. Except fckin midas alche, it's damn 3 creeps with his passive :D But well, it can be used for some nice exp burst (usage on high-lvl neutrals), so... Everything is optional, and hugely depends on opponents/teammates/game itself
Every game.
-Tidehunter Vanguard - the dream.
-PA Buriza
-Nerub Assassin with dagon 5 and arcane boots, nothing else - I mean, it can work, but fails 90% of the time.
-Gyrocopter Lothar+Arcane boots+Aghanim's Scepter / maxing homing missile first
EDIT: spoiler
How often do you see people pick supports and actually support in pubs instead of farming like a late game hard carry and then just throwing an ultimate with an aghanims/orchid ?Basically a thread with the most retarded/random pub builds which work in like only one case and fail in 99 other cases.
Example:
Vladmirs Vanguard Basher Anti-Mage, fuck Battlefury no one needs that.
Lothars on any agility carry, even against a Slardar.
No Blink Dagger Magnus.
Orb Effect Ursa, usually Madness, we don't have that DOTA 2 update here so his swipes are an orb effect, hence why people go for Vladmirs which is a lifesteal aura instead of an orb effect.
Aghanims Huskar. No. Just no. Fuck the cooldown decrease, its fucking pointless considering all the good items you can pick.
Radiance Bloodseeker. This build is already old, why don't you google up the DOTA 2 builds, Bloodseeker got a remake, you don't have a permanent Blood Bath now.
Cliff Jungling Furion and then going MAX Dagon. Really, if you want to have a better time jungling with this hero, I am planning on making a guide for Dota 6.83d and I will release it, might take a month or so, but you will be jungling faster than just TPing on one of the damn cliffs and going afk, eventually getting ganked and calling your teammates retards.
Anyone got some other builds that piss them off?
Vanguard on AM is good sometimes, since there are moments where blink+3rd spell wont help you survive (versus some physical dmg rapists), and Vanguard makes you very hard to kill at that point. About vlads+vg+basher, well, if you skip the vlads so early, it's decent build. Ofc vlads can be useful also sometimes, so I disagree about this build being ''fail". It's just not effective as bfury, but your team (and your opponents) sometimes wont allow you to farm with 700hp till min ~20.
Lothars on any agility carry - Why not? Cause there are items 180/200gold which reveal you? So what? Lothar is mainly used to ''initiate'' a gank, therefore dust won't help them much, which leaves just sentries, which is a problem obviously. But let's look at the good sides of loth: 30% AS (it's not so irrelevant at all), decent escape/chase mechanism, and most important, it makes you unpredictable. You can gank anyone, anywhere. No one on map will feel safe to farm woods/lane while you have lothar, unless they got sentry ward somewhere close, and considering the fact that sentries last just few minutes, it's a big pain in the ass for the opponent if some mid-game agility rapist takes fast lothar (SF for instance). So, lothar is not a fail on a carry. Problem is that pubbers just cant use it properly, since they think it makes em immortal.
No dagger Magnus - Obviously you never played against some heavy dps'ers like veno/appa/sniper's shrapnel/zeus/etc who disable your dagger easily, and make you useless running-around cunt who cant use ulti properly. As commy mentioned, sometimes auras n stuff can help you alot instead of simple dagger, and ofc you shouldnt forget the force staff. So, in like 80% of games dagger is good choice, but sometimes it is just better to get smth else.
About ursa, as far as I know, swipes are no longer orb effect. Madness ain't working with ulti tho, but other orbs should work just fine I think, correct me if i'm wrong, since I didn't play ursa for a while.
Radi BS and scepter Husk - well, it is true that there are usually better items, but depends on game.
Cliff jungling Furion is decent. Why? Cause you farm without wasting ANY mana/hp. Which makes you always ready for a gank. Also, you are taking just one camp, so it leaves space for your teammates if they want to do smth in woods (stack, farm, pull). About you being gankable, well, you always have 2 cliffs, where the Sentinel one requires a bit more "skill" for proper farming. About maxing dagon, well, fail 97% of time :D
Therefore, almost everything you mentioned isn't so bad actually, there are often better solutions, but you can't say this is some huge fail. I'll tell you some huge fails:
- PL/AM or pretty much every agi hero, going first item vladimirs
- Slardar (or some other similar hero) going dagger without boots or anything
- Rushing radiance without boots, or anything
- Alche midas
- Obsi scepter
- Lich/CM arcane
And much more... ofc even some of these i've mentioned can be good in some games, like lich arcane for team if really needed, or rushing radiance if your team tactics rely on it.. everything in this game is optional, and any item can do decent, if used properly. Except fckin midas alche, it's damn 3 creeps with his passive :D But well, it can be used for some nice exp burst (usage on high-lvl neutrals), so... Everything is optional, and hugely depends on opponents/teammates/game itself
Every game.
-Tidehunter Vanguard - the dream.
-PA Buriza
-Nerub Assassin with dagon 5 and arcane boots, nothing else - I mean, it can work, but fails 90% of the time.
-Gyrocopter Lothar+Arcane boots+Aghanim's Scepter / maxing homing missile first
EDIT: spoiler
Smells like bullshit, or either you are 1750+.
Do they legitimately buy wards/smoke, rotate around the map, pull and don't fuck up your creeps on the lane?
Lol, 3k party :Dgive me your steam id right fucking now so i can see your mmr kid cuz ur rly pissing me off, and then if you want, we can play 100 games in any way you want and i will beat you every single time without u even killing me once in any game, and if u refuse you should know that every single time i see you wrote a post, i will ignore everything u sya and i wlil see this :
I'M A RETARD XDeither come and fight or go fuck urself cuz no one cares what u say if all u do is talk, noobs are not allowed to speak
Lol, 3k party :D
Lol, 3k party :Dgive me your steam id right fucking now so i can see your mmr kid cuz ur rly pissing me off, and then if you want, we can play 100 games in any way you want and i will beat you every single time without u even killing me once in any game, and if u refuse you should know that every single time i see you wrote a post, i will ignore everything u sya and i wlil see this :I'M A RETARD XDeither come and fight or go fuck urself cuz no one cares what u say if all u do is talk, noobs are not allowed to speak
I'M A RETARD XDYep, you are.
I'M A RETARD XDYep, you are.
Keep running away you little bitch, you are nothing and your worthless words mean nothing.
-Tidehunter Vanguard - the dream.
-PA Buriza
-Nerub Assassin with dagon 5 and arcane boots, nothing else - I mean, it can work, but fails 90% of the time.
-Gyrocopter Lothar+Arcane boots+Aghanim's Scepter / maxing homing missile first
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=5901605
Sniper.
Dude, you're all shit here, pls stop comparing 1500 1700 cuz ur all shit.http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=5901605
Sniper.
#NEWMETA2016
Yeah, that worked out cos he/you was/were playing against 1500 rated people, but he/you was/were rated 1700+ on a smurf account, or the opponents were complete garbage.
for me its euls on whoever, well 90% of the timeI get euls for the passive movespeed xd and to eul some1 before some1 from my team lasthits him so i can lasthit instead 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Dude, you're all shit here, pls stop comparing 1500 1700 cuz ur all shit.http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=5901605
Sniper.
#NEWMETA2016
Yeah, that worked out cos he/you was/were playing against 1500 rated people, but he/you was/were rated 1700+ on a smurf account, or the opponents were complete garbage.for me its euls on whoever, well 90% of the timeI get euls for the passive movespeed xd and to eul some1 before some1 from my team lasthits him so i can lasthit instead 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Dude, you're all shit here, pls stop comparing 1500 1700 cuz ur all shit.http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=5901605
Sniper.
#NEWMETA2016
Yeah, that worked out cos he/you was/were playing against 1500 rated people, but he/you was/were rated 1700+ on a smurf account, or the opponents were complete garbage.for me its euls on whoever, well 90% of the timeI get euls for the passive movespeed xd and to eul some1 before some1 from my team lasthits him so i can lasthit instead 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Are u the classic retard that thinks 1400 stands a chance against 1700? :o
2k MMR vs 6K mmr, glhf.
With the exception of a few players, less than 10 to be precise, the entire population of this server is below 3k mmr. Let's say less than 20 players are excepted to be generous a bit, but I doubt it.Dude, you're all shit here, pls stop comparing 1500 1700 cuz ur all shit.http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=5901605
Sniper.
#NEWMETA2016
Yeah, that worked out cos he/you was/were playing against 1500 rated people, but he/you was/were rated 1700+ on a smurf account, or the opponents were complete garbage.for me its euls on whoever, well 90% of the timeI get euls for the passive movespeed xd and to eul some1 before some1 from my team lasthits him so i can lasthit instead 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Are u the classic retard that thinks 1400 stands a chance against 1700? :o
2k MMR vs 6K mmr, glhf.
Only build that makes me alt q q is. Lothar on fucking slark and legion, like seriously, unskilled fags need lothar to use 1 skill safelyOn slark it's good because you can purge dust with your shit pact and while you're hidden you trigger your ult healing and movespeed, it's one of the best heroes to get lothar on.
This was shorter than I expected :DWith the exception of a few players, less than 10 to be precise, the entire population of this server is below 3k mmr. Let's say less than 20 players are excepted to be generous a bit, but I doubt it.Dude, you're all shit here, pls stop comparing 1500 1700 cuz ur all shit.http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=5901605
Sniper.
#NEWMETA2016
Yeah, that worked out cos he/you was/were playing against 1500 rated people, but he/you was/were rated 1700+ on a smurf account, or the opponents were complete garbage.for me its euls on whoever, well 90% of the timeI get euls for the passive movespeed xd and to eul some1 before some1 from my team lasthits him so i can lasthit instead 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Are u the classic retard that thinks 1400 stands a chance against 1700? :o
2k MMR vs 6K mmr, glhf.
I don't care if you think an 1700 is so much better than an 1400, to me, you are both equally bad, because the difference between an 1400 and an 1700 is insignificant, unnoticeable, irrelevant compared to the difference between me and everyone else on this server.
To make an accurate comparison, I am me, a god, and you are all insects. Not even fast insects that are hard to catch, you are ants. You are actually dumber than ants, so it's not a fair comparison, but comparing you to ants at least gives you an idea of how puny. slow, fragile, weak, and pathetic you are compared to me.
I hope you understand now, if you still don't get it I can elaborate on the subject further.
+1,komon's too dumb to know something like dat.This was shorter than I expected :DWith the exception of a few players, less than 10 to be precise, the entire population of this server is below 3k mmr. Let's say less than 20 players are excepted to be generous a bit, but I doubt it.Dude, you're all shit here, pls stop comparing 1500 1700 cuz ur all shit.http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=5901605
Sniper.
#NEWMETA2016
Yeah, that worked out cos he/you was/were playing against 1500 rated people, but he/you was/were rated 1700+ on a smurf account, or the opponents were complete garbage.for me its euls on whoever, well 90% of the timeI get euls for the passive movespeed xd and to eul some1 before some1 from my team lasthits him so i can lasthit instead 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Are u the classic retard that thinks 1400 stands a chance against 1700? :o
2k MMR vs 6K mmr, glhf.
I don't care if you think an 1700 is so much better than an 1400, to me, you are both equally bad, because the difference between an 1400 and an 1700 is insignificant, unnoticeable, irrelevant compared to the difference between me and everyone else on this server.
To make an accurate comparison, I am me, a god, and you are all insects. Not even fast insects that are hard to catch, you are ants. You are actually dumber than ants, so it's not a fair comparison, but comparing you to ants at least gives you an idea of how puny. slow, fragile, weak, and pathetic you are compared to me.
I hope you understand now, if you still don't get it I can elaborate on the subject further.
Just a detail, an ant is actually pretty strong as it can carry a burden a 50 times their body weight.
Relatively strong :) an ant is 1-5 milligrams in average. let's say 5*50 =250 milligrams that they can handle. Nice relatively, but we can still kill any of them with a single slap by my left ball ;DThis was shorter than I expected :DWith the exception of a few players, less than 10 to be precise, the entire population of this server is below 3k mmr. Let's say less than 20 players are excepted to be generous a bit, but I doubt it.Dude, you're all shit here, pls stop comparing 1500 1700 cuz ur all shit.http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=5901605
Sniper.
#NEWMETA2016
Yeah, that worked out cos he/you was/were playing against 1500 rated people, but he/you was/were rated 1700+ on a smurf account, or the opponents were complete garbage.for me its euls on whoever, well 90% of the timeI get euls for the passive movespeed xd and to eul some1 before some1 from my team lasthits him so i can lasthit instead 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Are u the classic retard that thinks 1400 stands a chance against 1700? :o
2k MMR vs 6K mmr, glhf.
I don't care if you think an 1700 is so much better than an 1400, to me, you are both equally bad, because the difference between an 1400 and an 1700 is insignificant, unnoticeable, irrelevant compared to the difference between me and everyone else on this server.
To make an accurate comparison, I am me, a god, and you are all insects. Not even fast insects that are hard to catch, you are ants. You are actually dumber than ants, so it's not a fair comparison, but comparing you to ants at least gives you an idea of how puny. slow, fragile, weak, and pathetic you are compared to me.
I hope you understand now, if you still don't get it I can elaborate on the subject further.
Just a detail, an ant is actually pretty strong as it can carry a burden a 50 times their body weight.
Only build that makes me alt q q is. Lothar on fucking slark and legion, like seriously, unskilled fags need lothar to use 1 skill safelyOn slark it's good because you can purge dust with your shit pact and while you're hidden you trigger your ult healing and movespeed, it's one of the best heroes to get lothar on.
Blink dagger is far better on legion commandeer, the initiation speed of the blink dagger is far better than what lothar gives on legion, some dmg and attackspeed, both are redundant legion already has those with his skill set and 2.8k gold for that and a lil invis & movespeed is simply not worth it on legion commandeer.
Blink dagger is better than lothar in absolutely every single game scenario on legion commandeer, on slark lothar is good, although blink dagger is better even on slark in some cases, but slark does benefit greatly from the bonuses of lothar, all of them.
I'm so scared of playing against CoMMoN or at least showing my mmr, because I know it's very bad, just like me. :(It's ok, maybe in time you will improve. You're gonna need a brain and some balls for that though.
Go get lothar on slark and get rekt, twat.
Keep on changing quotes, you behave like last idiot. Zero arguments only empty 3k talking.
So again, how much you paid for boosting ur mmr? If u play same now as before you gotta totally suck at this game, well nothing changed. Hahah.
Ah and btw, playing only invoker with macro that are allowed in dota2 wont make you good, just in case.
Only build that makes me alt q q is. Lothar on fucking slark and legion, like seriously, unskilled fags need lothar to use 1 skill safelyOn slark it's good because you can purge dust with your shit pact and while you're hidden you trigger your ult healing and movespeed, it's one of the best heroes to get lothar on.
Blink dagger is far better on legion commandeer, the initiation speed of the blink dagger is far better than what lothar gives on legion, some dmg and attackspeed, both are redundant legion already has those with his skill set and 2.8k gold for that and a lil invis & movespeed is simply not worth it on legion commandeer.
Blink dagger is better than lothar in absolutely every single game scenario on legion commandeer, on slark lothar is good, although blink dagger is better even on slark in some cases, but slark does benefit greatly from the bonuses of lothar, all of them.
Bitch please, only dagger on slark. Shadow blade known also as lothar is totally shit that doesnt require any skills.
Go get lothar on slark and get rekt, twat.
Keep on changing quotes, you behave like last idiot. Zero arguments only empty 3k talking.
So again, how much you paid for boosting ur mmr? If u play same now as before you gotta totally suck at this game, well nothing changed. Hahah.
Ah and btw, playing only invoker with macro that are allowed in dota2 wont make you good, just in case.
Dude, we get it, u play d2, everyone knows that since you've been repeating that 3k mmr joke over and over again, you are just being an annoyinh insect by doing that.
P.s. little known fact, ants are one of the most underrated creatures, if they lead an invasion towards the humans one day we will all become corpses.
*slides away*
Only build that makes me alt q q is. Lothar on fucking slark and legion, like seriously, unskilled fags need lothar to use 1 skill safelyOn slark it's good because you can purge dust with your shit pact and while you're hidden you trigger your ult healing and movespeed, it's one of the best heroes to get lothar on.
Blink dagger is far better on legion commandeer, the initiation speed of the blink dagger is far better than what lothar gives on legion, some dmg and attackspeed, both are redundant legion already has those with his skill set and 2.8k gold for that and a lil invis & movespeed is simply not worth it on legion commandeer.
Blink dagger is better than lothar in absolutely every single game scenario on legion commandeer, on slark lothar is good, although blink dagger is better even on slark in some cases, but slark does benefit greatly from the bonuses of lothar, all of them.
Bitch please, only dagger on slark. Shadow blade known also as lothar is totally shit that doesnt require any skills.
yea dagger much skill fakin item
I srsly hope for ur own sake ur like 12 or trolling, cuz u cant possibly be that stupid.
In any case, run run run, little bitch.
Am I really that stupid, master CoMMoN ?Yeah.
Commy 6k mmr fire-ant.lmao
I srsly hope I will be good someday and wont trash talk. My ego will go normal stage and everyone will love me
Even after editing your post you still mispronounce basic English word such as "treat", whenever someone feels stupid they can come here and read your posts in order to feel better.
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