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General Section => General Discussions => Topic started by: alien1 on February 26, 2015, 23:13
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Note: Admins' (not moderators') words are always indisputable. ............
Note: Admin (not moderator) is above the rules...........
Why an admin can ban u without a proper request ????
involving admin in same game he play, after game if someone break the rules he can ban u directly but in some cases u meet an dishonest admin and do not want to be trial by him so the question is: why an admin (if he play in same game whit the one which will be banned) can make a proper request as the rest of the players,so the guilty can be judged by impartial (unprejudiced, fair-minded) admin ????
I ask because some cases happens to be unique per game.
I do not know about the rest of you think but it is a matter of thought such as admins involving in the game that are playing do not make a decision about the guilt of a player and be judged by an impartial admin.
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Dude your fight here is wrong, admins words are indistutable always deal with it, there is hierarcy in every game/forum and is always respected. Including to your case you had no proofs at all that LexMonster was indeed flamed you - i saw the replay and your ruined the game hard, since your braked the rule you should look at your own business and try to not brake the rules again so you can be a respected player - LexMonster isn't your problem. About the ban request "out of the blue ??? " is in here > Ban Reports (http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=126892.0) < players that are reported by Moderators or Admins are always posted there, we do not make requests because we solve requests - and about the rest of the staff, the requests are solved in private section that you don't have access, but you can still get unbanned (the staff person will judge that)
I dont want to offend you - just to inform you.
My regards,
DatFace
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I think admins dont break some rules. (Like family flame etc. But i dont see any flamer or racist admin :D)
Btw.
@alien1
Lagabuse has mannared and good moderators/admins. I think only 3-4 moderator/admin is bad. Respect for Lexmonster. He is honorable admin. Btw its my idea.
Regards.
KeMCek
Note: Datface right. +1 krma
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This is just the way and he must accept and respect it, just dont break the rules so you can be clean.
offtopic : y u no gave me 1 karma lierrrrr kemmcekce
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Sometimes they ban u for nothing. Its like missclick. Example:
U have ogar-magi. Enemy has some hero with 1 hp. U use your stun but u missclicked and you stunneda creep.
If u think he banned you for nothing u can report him a global admin or admin.
But i think Lexmonster is right. Because u break a rule.
Note: Datface pls buy some glass.
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yes y ruin the game I do not deny and no I have no evidence about the flame (c'est la vie) but LexMonster is not my problem.
Is only one problem about this post : such as admins involving in the game that are playing do not make a decision about the guilt of a player and be judged by an impartial admin.
thats all that matters in this situations.
every time I was banned I took my fault and i have not post any unban request but with LexMonster it was strange situation of which I have no proof (and this is my fault), but in the end is just a game so no hard feelings, karma will get u ;)
all I ask is that the games should not be judged by the same admin who starred in it, but by an impartial admin.
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Okay lets clear this - you'v breaked the rules, you are banned. Impartial admin LexMonster knows martial arts and he is karate you with a ban (since you are a rule breaker) with his lexy tool thats it, if you are dissapointed with your ban send a private message to Xeqtr but you will recieve the same answer, we will take into consideration your rule and we might use it.
Cheers
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So you dont denie that you ruin a game and after that you claim he flamed you?
You see why we take his word over yours? There are no proffs he did any of that....next time take a screenshoot and upload here,nobody is above rules :)
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So you dont denie that you ruin a game and after that you claim he flamed you?
You see why we take his word over yours? There are no proffs he did any of that....next time take a screenshoot and upload here,nobody is above rules :)
(http://i.imgur.com/KtcZfB5.png)
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If u have a problem with your ban first talk with who banned you. If he doesnt unban u talk with Head moderator. If he doesnt unban you talk with Section Admin. If he doesnt unbanned you talk with Global Admin. If he doesnt unban you talk with Admin. If he doesnt unban you gg wp.
Example:
Crazymurderer banned u first talk with him. After fallow that:
Crazymurderer(Moderator/Admin etc.) >>>>> Head Ban/Unban Moderator >>>>> Ban/Unban Admin >>>>> Global Admin >>>>> Admin
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Why would any other admin solve the request from the game in which I participated? I played that game and I have the best review of the game, I know exactly how you broke rules. Why would I bother some other admin to view replay of whole game, and waste 30-60 minutes of his life, if I already watched (played) it?
And I still cant believe you persist with that story that I flamed you.. You know what? I am not 100% sure, but I think cen (eurobattle.net admin) has all whispers in database, so would you be so kind to send him PM and ask him to give you whispers from 24-02-2015 22:42 - 23:30 sent by Lexy?
If you find anything flamable sent by Lexy, I will resign from lagabuse.
And let me quote myself from your unban request:
And the thing is, if you just made unban request and apologized for your horrible behavior, I would have unbanned you. Our goal is certenly not to loose players. Everyone makes mistake, and if they realize they made mistake, and apologize later, we give them 2nd chance, unban.
But instead, you came here with bullshit story that I wrote 'motherfucker' and 'I will fuck your mother' which is notorious lie (and you have 0 proofs), and say that 'I am kid with mentality of 12 years old child"..
Btw, you still didnt explain to me WHY you bought gem in 24th minute, while NOBODY from enemy team had Lothars, (while on the other hand I was Lancer and I had invisibility spell) and then went to their base and died. Even enemy players were suprised by your actions:
28:06 [All] mrmisak killed alien1
28:08 mrmisak [All] ????
28:23 mrmisak [All] gameruin?
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Alien, if u broke the rules, u know the procedure, but eve if they broke they rules - i refer to admins, there is no possible way to ban them or any other sanction for their behavior. And that is a natural thing, like in jobs, u can never take down ur boss, he is above u in that section, if u try, he will just mute u or fire u, bcs he sees u will dishonor his ,,deserved " seat. Dont try to push justice here ever, it is a dead man's job, not because they are corrupted, it is bcs they got other meaning for justice. It is a clan, and they will always support each other ( admins) and again, that is also natural, we would do the same in their position.
TO make the story short, IT IS USSLES to try anything, without going into a corrupted form.
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So what if i am Sanctos?
I can be Common or anyone else, the truth is the truth, and u proved it so many times
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DatFace you missed the main purpose of this post and have turned into a specific case, my case.
Purpose of this post, I repeat again: admins involving in the game that are playing do not make a decision about the guilt of a player and be judged by another impartial admin which has no connection to the game.
this post I wanted to talk about rules and not turn it into a specific case !!
KeMCek I have no problem with my ban and not trying to seek justice here, as I said above is about the rules not my case. depending on the case do not expect that the integrity and fairness of admin to be flawless and then you want to be judged by an impartial admin. that's why all I ask is that the admin who was involved in the game must make a request as the rest of the players and not judge the game itself.
and DatFace in my case you missed again the purpose, you said you watch the game and i ruined the game hard, I do not think it was a ,,hard ruin'' of the game if so they will not win the game, do not expect public games someone to say how to play the hero, what items to make and play their strategy, after make you an idiot and try to kick u from the game, especially what happened in my case the player who has proven to be an admin with say a ,,misbehave of moment'' (again no proof, my bad) and play with a smile.....like everything is normal......
So in conclusion not associated this post whit my case and treats it like as I wanted to be: one discussion about rules, rules involving admins.
Note: Admins' (not moderators') words are always indisputable. ............
Note: Admin (not moderator) is above the rules...........
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Yes, you can ignore my post, np.
that's why all I ask is that the admin who was involved in the game must make a request as the rest of the players and not judge the game itself.
Why should we make request as the rest of the players? As a volunteers here, we (moderators and admins) are not paid for this, to do our 'job', but we have certain privileges instead. One of them is that we dont have to make ban requests, we can issue bans ourselves.
And if those bans are not correct (and sometimes they arent), you think they are unfair, you could always send a complaint (http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=126889.0) to Head B&U moderators or even B&U Admin.
Bottom line is, we wont change rules. Admin who was in game will always be able to issue ban. If you think you got banned unfairly, you can send complaint to Heads & Admin. End of story
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admins involving in the game that are playing do not make a decision about the guilt of a player and be judged by another impartial admin which has no connection to the game.
??? ??? ??? this is not making sense, im playing a game - i see a retarded who break the rules - i report him/ban him. So whats your problem here? i saw the replay so do you want me to remove lexy's ban and apply another? What the hell is this, sanctos also involved here so this is going to be "remove all admins heads" .
With my posts and/or lexys post your got your answer, this is the hierachy here and this is how the things run, if you dont like it don't play to our bots.
Cheers
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alien1 you are full of hard bullshit;)i read some of your posts,its a huh,air,fog,steam,nothing,one of standard kiddoes who ever comes in contact with mod/admin dramatize on forum,maybe they should create a special forum status for drama queens
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As ex B/U mod, head mod and admin and as one who made and reviewed the rules, I think I can give you an answer.
1) Admin is a respected and very experienced person who is trusted enough to be given powers to ban.
More precisely, anyone from B/U crew + admins + some other ppl can issue a ban - either by solving ban request or by banning you "straight away".
These ppl are trained enough to issue right/proper bans. As a guy who was in B/U for years, I can honestly tell you that after some, quite short time you feel nothing while banning. No joy, no happines and no satisfaction.
Mod just issues a ban and moves on. That's all.
Also a mod who was in your game knows the situation better than someone else, someone who would spend max 10 mins reviewing it.
This is why nobody else reviews the case.
2) This place isn't democracy, never was, never will. The one with most powers rules. You can imagine him as a dictator.
That's why admins words are always indisputable.
If he says that your ass smells, your ass just smells. Deal with it or gtfo. There are no more options.
3) About that admin's above the rules... Only top admins are above rules, or at least that's what I've been told.
Section admins are more like "Supreme mods" (more than heads, less than actual admins).
As I was told, these top admins did so much for this place, worked so hard and long that they deserve full power to do anything they like and nobody can do anything.
I actually argued about this matter with MNG while I was B/U admin.
I believe rules should apply for everyone in spite of power or hierarchy position. Why can MNG ruin your game? Why can cen insult you based on your religion? Why can MUN abuse a share?
Answer: Because they did a lot for this community.
I'm not saying they did, do or will do that, don't get me wrong. But if they want, they can do it. Deal with it.
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Okey I guess everything is discussed enough here, highest staff can take it into consideration if they want, but admins know the rules and if they play in a specific game they know what exactly happened, so waste of time to check it by another one.
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