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Title: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: Rocka on August 12, 2013, 14:09
Anyone watched the finals last night? So fucking epic man, full of action
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: rocka's#1fanboy on August 12, 2013, 14:17
Anyone watched the finals last night? So fucking epic man, full of action
Yup, [A]lliance won, right?
Ps. Wisp is op :D
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: 1QuestioN! on August 12, 2013, 14:26
Epic moves and games indeed , finals was epic exspecialy last game when S4-puck interupt 2 teleports in the last moment . Aliance deserved this International
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: tigerr on August 12, 2013, 14:31
Good games, besides the first 2 (weird picks). Too bad there was no Dendi Pudge, but great games nonetheless, especially crucial TP cancels in last game. It would be awesome to attend TI but its expensive as hell.   
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: Rocka on August 12, 2013, 14:46
Last game looked like mega hard stomp by navi.. Dendi really played well but then that puck stealing aegis or that counter split push, so fucking epic
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: Nistor on August 12, 2013, 16:17
Navi deserved more than alliance (by watching only grand finals)
in 5th game they pwned them so hard but that puck was really good fucking their tp's

Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: FU I am PeNGuiN on August 12, 2013, 16:43
y, an epic game, wisp 100% on international lol, and bat 100% banned or picked
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: Blind_Joker on August 12, 2013, 17:09
I was excited by 2nd game of Finals. Whisp + alche + bat. Hell of nice job.
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: Rocka on August 12, 2013, 17:41
overconfident alliance raping hardly first game thinking they are gods second game
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: baja_cro on August 12, 2013, 18:33
who took $ ?
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: FU I am PeNGuiN on August 12, 2013, 18:38
who took $ ?
Alliance
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: baja_cro on August 12, 2013, 18:44
who took $ ?
Alliance
who was playing final match ?
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: maciekg9-slaveofBart on August 12, 2013, 18:54
Alliance bogs, althought if finals were bo3 they would lose xd
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: FU I am PeNGuiN on August 12, 2013, 19:06
who took $ ?
Alliance
who was playing final match ?
Alliance and Na'Vi
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: pHu^^thAi on August 12, 2013, 19:53
in all 5 games they banned akke's chen(mainly) and egm's naga, thats why navi had a chance in this final.
after these 2,they shut down of s4 mid was theyr main goal,but s4 had some great plays anyway.
so gg guys,really enjoyed
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: pro.DotAserbia on August 12, 2013, 21:52
I watched the first game last night and I fell asleep, I did work this morning till 6 I got up at 5 and saw that it was 2:2. I watched all now,hat a comeback against LGD,what a final fifth game, as they were playing pub game and not for  the difference of $ 800,000!!
Great story, Na'vi lost for the second time in the final, cruel game.
Next year in the tournament, of course, as a viewer! :)
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: pro.DotAserbia on August 12, 2013, 21:56
Sorry for double post.
I want to hear Common opinion regarding the final xD
He could get up with 0.00000001% of its capabilities? xD
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: FU I am PeNGuiN on August 12, 2013, 21:58
Sorry for double post.
I want to hear Common opinion regarding the final xD
He could get up with 0.00000001% of its capabilities? xD
y regarding common, I have never seen 100 creeps in 10 mins on the whole ti3
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: djupta on August 12, 2013, 22:09
Well navi had hard day. I guess after 8 games they lost concentration. They were dominating in last game bad decisions and puck's ulty who stop tp's decided game. S4 is one of the best mid players in the world but dandi was dominated mid trough all 5 games. And if we look XVOST there are much more better cary players than him in the world burn1ng, lod[a] and etc. XVOST troug all games couldnt take last hits on towers so...
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: FU I am PeNGuiN on August 12, 2013, 22:12
Well navi had hard day. I guess after 8 games they lost concentration. They were dominating in last game bad decisions and puck's ulty who stop tp's decided game. S4 is one of the best mid players in the world but dandi was dominated mid trough all 5 games. And if we look XVOST there are much more better cary players than him in the world burn1ng, lod[a] and etc. XVOST troug all games couldnt take last hits on towers so...
even though navi came 2nd, they are the next gen dota... to be honest
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: Rocka on August 12, 2013, 22:16
Well navi had hard day. I guess after 8 games they lost concentration. They were dominating in last game bad decisions and puck's ulty who stop tp's decided game. S4 is one of the best mid players in the world but dandi was dominated mid trough all 5 games. And if we look XVOST there are much more better cary players than him in the world burn1ng, lod[a] and etc. XVOST troug all games couldnt take last hits on towers so...
xboct is a great carry.. Just look at how he raped solo against that wisp ck. Ofc they died because of greed but xboct handled great. anyway ;D:

http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/news/25085-update-xboct-calls-teammates-a-couple-of-useless-idiots
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: maciekg9-slaveofBart on August 12, 2013, 22:49
xboct maddd
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: Nistor on August 12, 2013, 22:52
u mad bro? its only 1,6 mil $ xD
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: 21^Blok on August 12, 2013, 23:33
u mad bro? its only 1,6 mil $ xD

1.4 :P
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: djupta on August 13, 2013, 01:37
Well navi had hard day. I guess after 8 games they lost concentration. They were dominating in last game bad decisions and puck's ulty who stop tp's decided game. S4 is one of the best mid players in the world but dandi was dominated mid trough all 5 games. And if we look XVOST there are much more better cary players than him in the world burn1ng, lod[a] and etc. XVOST troug all games couldnt take last hits on towers so...
xboct is a great carry.. Just look at how he raped solo against that wisp ck. Ofc they died because of greed but xboct handled great. anyway ;D:

http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/news/25085-update-xboct-calls-teammates-a-couple-of-useless-idiots

I agree that xbost is gr8 cary but y cant miss last hit on tow with cary like that when in game are 1.400.000 usd xD
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: Blind_Joker on August 13, 2013, 14:15
u mad bro? its only 1,6 mil $ xD

Tbh I guess they dont care so much about that money. They have enough $ from other side aswell. Its just bonus.

Sorry for double post.
I want to hear Common opinion regarding the final xD
He could get up with 0.00000001% of its capabilities? xD
y regarding common, I have never seen 100 creeps in 10 mins on the whole ti3

XBOCT was so close to that :D
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: rocka's#1fanboy on August 13, 2013, 15:16
4x 20 + 2 wagins = 82 +10 creeps which came from other lanes just for fun = 92......
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: pHu^^thAi on August 13, 2013, 16:05
if na'vi would've had a cary like BurNing they would definetly have won this TI3
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: Rocka on August 13, 2013, 16:44
yeah we can keep going like ''if this'' ''if that'' alliance won and they deserved it
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: .mK.Ris. on August 13, 2013, 18:01
(http://i.imgur.com/A5D1EEZ.png)
King Mushi didn't have luck ... :/
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: pHu^^thAi on August 13, 2013, 18:30
yeah we can keep going like ''if this'' ''if that'' alliance won and they deserved it

you missed my point suckafella
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: tigerr on August 13, 2013, 18:32
if na'vi would've had a cary like BurNing they would definetly have won this TI3
While Burning is much better carry than XBOCT it doesn't mean he would fit Na'Vi better as they are not team that relies on "4 protect 1". They play with constant aggression (especially mid game) on mind and they usually give him carries like Alch and Gyro that can participate before late game.  Alliance are simply better than them as a team, their play is on another level compared to other teams (their decisions in fights, stun locking opponents...). I feel Na'Vi has a problem with too many big names in 1 team, and considering some comments after TI3 they will probably go through new roster change (something many other teams will do as well).   
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: Rocka on August 13, 2013, 18:57
yeah we can keep going like ''if this'' ''if that'' alliance won and they deserved it

you missed my point suckafella
Did I, explain yourself and lets see if I missed my point
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: pHu^^thAi on August 13, 2013, 19:18

xboct is a great carry..

no.
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: FU I am PeNGuiN on August 13, 2013, 19:23

xboct is a great carry..

no.
wow, you better then when you have guts to rate him?
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: Rocka on August 13, 2013, 19:35
I don't know why ur hating on him phutai. But I guess he is so bad he made it to the finals, oh wait..
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: pHu^^thAi on August 13, 2013, 20:06
i dont hate anyone,kust pointing a fact
he made thru final,ofc, when u have dendi and puppey and Ars-Art,LoH(2011,2012) and funnyk this year
he was like free fram everygame and still not making the most of it
as like loda is,same shit cary, akke and egm doing the hard job for him
 here is 2 examples when 4ppl plays incredible and have random cary(i mean not really good one)

on the other side,burning from DK, he caryed his team in every game,even when his team was doing really nothing against alliance matchup he mega-outfarmed loda in 2/3 matches,allmost in 3 match but the supports of alliance shut down him with an aggresive trilane and constant gangs on him
and in all other games, DK losing hard until burning comes and rape everything

allmost same for mouz, Black^ playing like solo qq

so plz dont tell me how muck loda and xboct rock
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: Rocka on August 13, 2013, 20:43
whatever man, you're a hater
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: mrNiceguy on August 14, 2013, 23:10
You just dont get it.

Read my signature and everything will be very clear.
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: LordDoom on August 15, 2013, 01:28
You just dont get it.

Read my signature and everything will be very clear.
I gave you +1 for stupid post
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: Bart on September 04, 2013, 12:34
one month later, im still crying, fuck loda and his stupid shit teddy bear xD

on serious note:

xboct was top 3 carry at TI3, alliance boring doto xd fuck split push

mushi mvp

fountain hooks bla bla

suck it china

good times.
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on September 05, 2013, 04:41
Sorry for double post.
I want to hear Common opinion regarding the final xD
He could get up with 0.00000001% of its capabilities? xD
y regarding common, I have never seen 100 creeps in 10 mins on the whole ti3

XBOCT was so close to that :D
You think they have that much freedom of movement to get 100 creeps in 10 minutes ? And even if they had, they would not even try it because 1.it constantly weakens the lane he leaves from and 2.the gold can be also gotten by kills ... which is better since you prevent the guy who dies from getting xp/gold and most importantly 3. they are too much of a pussy to even try it. 0 confidence in their skill level, probably because it's so low, also 4. different game plan, most of the time this is it.

I laughed my ass off at that stupid drama that was in the air on forums when ti3 was ongoing about fountain hooks and "boring rat dota of alliance". (split push = boring rat dota apparently XDDDDDDDDDD)
Only retarded frustrated fanboys would make excuses like that for their teams losing.

Game is called "defense of the ancients", not "hey guys let's kill each other ok? then attack buildings only after enemy team is dead".
Oh well, retards gonna retard.

About the finals, did anyone actually expect na'vi to win ? They were so much weaker than alliance, it was painfully obvious alliance will win.

After the first game (which was a clear stomp), alliance just mocked na'vi in game 2 and 3, picking heroes that na'vi picked in game 1 and 2, even though they had way less synergy and potential of influence through all the game with them, just to get the message to them ->"WE ARE BETTER", and probably to make it a more interesting final. If they picked the standard shit which they are used to, na'vi would just lose 3-0 and that would be boring.

About players which showed decent play, it's sad BurNing has a pretty weak team, hands down the best current carry in top teams. (also acknowledged by pretty much everyone playing in the ti3 as being the best carry)

Mushi played pretty good, large variety of heroes, showcasing some balls, unlike the others which played 2-3 heroes 24/7, he had some good plays here and there, but even so, his performance was far from his best in ti3, he could've done much more. His issue is also that he doesn't have such good teammates, and at the level of "tryhard dota" having teammates which make mistakes a lot is pretty shitty. (not that he didn't make mistakes also) In other words, bad environment is a very big setback in this case, he had to do too much by himself, and it worked for him a lot of the times, but give him a break.

Top performance in all ti3 ? You may say xboct did something nice on bot lane in game 5, and he did (and his hero doesn't have too much potential for such things), but he only did it because of what alliance did there, and it wouldn't surprise me if alliance did that intentionally to give them a false sense of security.

Why would I think this ?

Because in games with lots of early action, if alchemist comes to help, he is pretty much NOTHING all game, it just doesn't work unless the team is clearly winning already and alliance knows this (He is supposed to not do shit. He is supposed to farm for a few items not roam around the map because it would waste way too much goblingreedgold) so if they know this, they could abuse it by doing stuff like that obviously bad dive, since they had advantage from picks they had room to do this kind of things.
If alchemist does try to do shit though (like xboct in game 5, trying to help allies too early) he will be ridicolously far behind later and can't farm safely anymore unless his entire team covers his ass from fog near him, but then his team gets 0 gold (and even if he could farm safely, because of too low items he would farm way too slow), it all adds up, very shitty decision making by na'vi, in a lot of ti3 games.

On shitty decision making, very shitty decision making by a lot of teams in ti3 actually, many of them still don't understand some basic things, like pushing tier 1 towers early and not doing anything to pressure opponents after is just gold delivered to enemy team closer to their base and just making enemy situation comfortable and making pockets of gold out of their own tier 1 towers for later when they will fall down way faster, many teams just wasted time like this, pushing early then backing in woods or some stupid shit like that, and just allowing enemy team to control creepwaves at their tower so that after they get some items to simply go as 5 and rape cause of item advantage. Way too little pressure applied on enemy teams by pretty much everyone except alliance.

As I was saying, xboct, although nice plays, it was far from the top performance in ti3, his job wasn't to do "top performance" his job was to farm and pay attention at the game and stay alive and farm and farm.

The thing is, he isn't capable of just farming in an even/unfavourable game and win it by brute force like BurNing, even if he was left alone, he can't handle his team being crushed, but it would actually be a better choice to let your team be crushed and to farm with alchemist. Why ? Because if alchemist comes to help, he won't do shit later, atleast this way he can provide some resistance later, he is the most farm dependant on their team -> he needs to farm not to help.
(If you don't know what i'm talking about, and why i'm saying xboct is no BurNing, you should probably watch this game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9xPHdOhHv0 (BurNing morph vs YaphetS sf and zhou pugna), which also has translated commentary from 2009, an old captain which knowledge of the game is still bigger than most of the current top team captains, listening to him you can learn a lot of stuff, especially you since you are still at lvl of saying "wtf mid no gank?")


Top performance in ti3 was s4 by far. Little cute plays aside (things you call top performance), the things that matter are others.

s4 outpicked everyone constantly (yes of course he had help from his teammates in pick phase, but his contribution and decision were final and vital) except games 2 and 3 with na'vi in finals in which they were just getting na'vi heroes to give them an annoying message of superiority. (annoying for na'vi and probably their fanboys, not for alliance)

s4 also played very good throughout all ti3, he almost always won midlane and just carried his team on his back in the midgame, and in the games he didn't win mid lane (when he was intentionally focused by enemy team, ganked and outpicked in midlane (because he is doing too much in midgame if left alone), he still managed to make significant contributions, unlike pretty much everyone. (when others were far behind, they stayed behind)

In game 5 you saw s4 at his finest, his knowledge of the game clearly showcased, his positioning was almost perfect when it mattered, and those tp cancels, were just beautiful.

3 tp cancels at his mid rax, and another 2 tp cancel at entrance from river to sentinel jungle, you could say he won the game alone by those plays, but his team did synergise good with him also, even so, that was by far the top performance in all ti3.

Dissapointed of the shitty level many teams have displayed, very little synergy in picks and coordination between their players, it's just pathetic honestly, teams with good players, incapable of having a lineup with potential for all phases of the game and for some lil coordination. Sad.

Alliance were the only candidates to win it this time, and it was obvious since the start.
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: hot10000 on September 05, 2013, 06:15
Sorry for double post.
I want to hear Common opinion regarding the final xD
He could get up with 0.00000001% of its capabilities? xD
y regarding common, I have never seen 100 creeps in 10 mins on the whole ti3

XBOCT was so close to that :D
You think they have that much freedom of movement to get 100 creeps in 10 minutes ? And even if they had, they would not even try it because 1.it constantly weakens the lane he leaves from and 2.the gold can be also gotten by kills ... which is better since you prevent the guy who dies from getting xp/gold and most importantly 3. they are too much of a pussy to even try it. 0 confidence in their skill level, probably because it's so low, also 4. different game plan, most of the time this is it.

I laughed my ass off at that stupid drama that was in the air on forums when ti3 was ongoing about fountain hooks and "boring rat dota of alliance". (split push = boring rat dota apparently XDDDDDDDDDD)
Only retarded frustrated fanboys would make excuses like that for their teams losing.

Game is called "defense of the ancients", not "hey guys let's kill each other ok? then attack buildings only after enemy team is dead".
Oh well, retards gonna retard.

About the finals, did anyone actually expect na'vi to win ? They were so much weaker than alliance, it was painfully obvious alliance will win.

After the first game (which was a clear stomp), alliance just mocked na'vi in game 2 and 3, picking heroes that na'vi picked in game 1 and 2, even though they had way less synergy and potential of influence through all the game with them, just to get the message to them ->"WE ARE BETTER", and probably to make it a more interesting final. If they picked the standard shit which they are used to, na'vi would just lose 3-0 and that would be boring.

About players which showed decent play, it's sad BurNing has a pretty weak team, hands down the best current carry in top teams. (also acknowledged by pretty much everyone playing in the ti3 as being the best carry)

Mushi played pretty good, large variety of heroes, showcasing some balls, unlike the others which played 2-3 heroes 24/7, he had some good plays here and there, but even so, his performance was far from his best in ti3, he could've done much more. His issue is also that he doesn't have such good teammates, and at the level of "tryhard dota" having teammates which make mistakes a lot is pretty shitty. (not that he didn't make mistakes also) In other words, bad environment is a very big setback in this case, he had to do too much by himself, and it worked for him a lot of the times, but give him a break.

Top performance in all ti3 ? You may say xboct did something nice on bot lane in game 5, and he did (and his hero doesn't have too much potential for such things), but he only did it because of what alliance did there, and it wouldn't surprise me if alliance did that intentionally to give them a false sense of security.

Why would I think this ?

Because in games with lots of early action, if alchemist comes to help, he is pretty much NOTHING all game, it just doesn't work unless the team is clearly winning already and alliance knows this (He is supposed to not do shit. He is supposed to farm for a few items not roam around the map because it would waste way too much goblingreedgold) so if they know this, they could abuse it by doing stuff like that obviously bad dive, since they had advantage from picks they had room to do this kind of things.
If alchemist does try to do shit though (like xboct in game 5, trying to help allies too early) he will be ridicolously far behind later and can't farm safely anymore unless his entire team covers his ass from fog near him, but then his team gets 0 gold (and even if he could farm safely, because of too low items he would farm way too slow), it all adds up, very shitty decision making by na'vi, in a lot of ti3 games.

On shitty decision making, very shitty decision making by a lot of teams in ti3 actually, many of them still don't understand some basic things, like pushing tier 1 towers early and not doing anything to pressure opponents after is just gold delivered to enemy team closer to their base and just making enemy situation comfortable and making pockets of gold out of their own tier 1 towers for later when they will fall down way faster, many teams just wasted time like this, pushing early then backing in woods or some stupid shit like that, and just allowing enemy team to control creepwaves at their tower so that after they get some items to simply go as 5 and rape cause of item advantage. Way too little pressure applied on enemy teams by pretty much everyone except alliance.

As I was saying, xboct, although nice plays, it was far from the top performance in ti3, his job wasn't to do "top performance" his job was to farm and pay attention at the game and stay alive and farm and farm.

The thing is, he isn't capable of just farming in an even/unfavourable game and win it by brute force like BurNing, even if he was left alone, he can't handle his team being crushed, but it would actually be a better choice to let your team be crushed and to farm with alchemist. Why ? Because if alchemist comes to help, he won't do shit later, atleast this way he can provide some resistance later, he is the most farm dependant on their team -> he needs to farm not to help.
(If you don't know what i'm talking about, and why i'm saying xboct is no BurNing, you should probably watch this game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9xPHdOhHv0 (BurNing morph vs YaphetS sf and zhou pugna), which also has translated commentary from 2009, an old captain which knowledge of the game is still bigger than most of the current top team captains, listening to him you can learn a lot of stuff, especially you since you are still at lvl of saying "wtf mid no gank?")


Top performance in ti3 was s4 by far. Little cute plays aside (things you call top performance), the things that matter are others.

s4 outpicked everyone constantly (yes of course he had help from his teammates in pick phase, but his contribution and decision were final and vital) except games 2 and 3 with na'vi in finals in which they were just getting na'vi heroes to give them an annoying message of superiority. (annoying for na'vi and probably their fanboys, not for alliance)

s4 also played very good throughout all ti3, he almost always won midlane and just carried his team on his back in the midgame, and in the games he didn't win mid lane (when he was intentionally focused by enemy team, ganked and outpicked in midlane (because he is doing too much in midgame if left alone), he still managed to make significant contributions, unlike pretty much everyone. (when others were far behind, they stayed behind)

In game 5 you saw s4 at his finest, his knowledge of the game clearly showcased, his positioning was almost perfect when it mattered, and those tp cancels, were just beautiful.

3 tp cancels at his mid rax, and another 2 tp cancel at entrance from river to sentinel jungle, you could say he won the game alone by those plays, but his team did synergise good with him also, even so, that was by far the top performance in all ti3.

Dissapointed of the shitty level many teams have displayed, very little synergy in picks and coordination between their players, it's just pathetic honestly, teams with good players, incapable of having a lineup with potential for all phases of the game and for some lil coordination. Sad.

Alliance were the only candidates to win it this time, and it was obvious since the start.
FANBOY ALERT ALERT!!!
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on September 05, 2013, 07:17
FANBOY ALERT ALERT!!!
I already know you are dumb, no need to showcase it further.



I don't support any teams, I'm simply state facts. Alliance were winners since the tournament started, they are too strong for others at the moment.

That being said, I don't like the fact that they only play in a certain way, with admiral autism on furi/sylla only, akke chen/enchantress or strong support, loda on some carry/aggressive stuff, egm on wisp or some other very strong support, and s4 only mid.

They have no variety, then again no team really has roleswitching variety, just a general thing I dislike about these top teams, they seem to be incapable of handling multiple roles, and they aren't, they are just pussies and stick to one thing only to minimize risk of failure.
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: Fr0zen_Walk^ on September 05, 2013, 12:31
Sorry for double post.
I want to hear Common opinion regarding the final xD
He could get up with 0.00000001% of its capabilities? xD
y regarding common, I have never seen 100 creeps in 10 mins on the whole ti3

XBOCT was so close to that :D
You think they have that much freedom of movement to get 100 creeps in 10 minutes ? And even if they had, they would not even try it because 1.it constantly weakens the lane he leaves from and 2.the gold can be also gotten by kills ... which is better since you prevent the guy who dies from getting xp/gold and most importantly 3. they are too much of a pussy to even try it. 0 confidence in their skill level, probably because it's so low, also 4. different game plan, most of the time this is it.

I laughed my ass off at that stupid drama that was in the air on forums when ti3 was ongoing about fountain hooks and "boring rat dota of alliance". (split push = boring rat dota apparently XDDDDDDDDDD)
Only retarded frustrated fanboys would make excuses like that for their teams losing.

Game is called "defense of the ancients", not "hey guys let's kill each other ok? then attack buildings only after enemy team is dead".
Oh well, retards gonna retard.

About the finals, did anyone actually expect na'vi to win ? They were so much weaker than alliance, it was painfully obvious alliance will win.

After the first game (which was a clear stomp), alliance just mocked na'vi in game 2 and 3, picking heroes that na'vi picked in game 1 and 2, even though they had way less synergy and potential of influence through all the game with them, just to get the message to them ->"WE ARE BETTER", and probably to make it a more interesting final. If they picked the standard shit which they are used to, na'vi would just lose 3-0 and that would be boring.

About players which showed decent play, it's sad BurNing has a pretty weak team, hands down the best current carry in top teams. (also acknowledged by pretty much everyone playing in the ti3 as being the best carry)

Mushi played pretty good, large variety of heroes, showcasing some balls, unlike the others which played 2-3 heroes 24/7, he had some good plays here and there, but even so, his performance was far from his best in ti3, he could've done much more. His issue is also that he doesn't have such good teammates, and at the level of "tryhard dota" having teammates which make mistakes a lot is pretty shitty. (not that he didn't make mistakes also) In other words, bad environment is a very big setback in this case, he had to do too much by himself, and it worked for him a lot of the times, but give him a break.

Top performance in all ti3 ? You may say xboct did something nice on bot lane in game 5, and he did (and his hero doesn't have too much potential for such things), but he only did it because of what alliance did there, and it wouldn't surprise me if alliance did that intentionally to give them a false sense of security.

Why would I think this ?

Because in games with lots of early action, if alchemist comes to help, he is pretty much NOTHING all game, it just doesn't work unless the team is clearly winning already and alliance knows this (He is supposed to not do shit. He is supposed to farm for a few items not roam around the map because it would waste way too much goblingreedgold) so if they know this, they could abuse it by doing stuff like that obviously bad dive, since they had advantage from picks they had room to do this kind of things.
If alchemist does try to do shit though (like xboct in game 5, trying to help allies too early) he will be ridicolously far behind later and can't farm safely anymore unless his entire team covers his ass from fog near him, but then his team gets 0 gold (and even if he could farm safely, because of too low items he would farm way too slow), it all adds up, very shitty decision making by na'vi, in a lot of ti3 games.

On shitty decision making, very shitty decision making by a lot of teams in ti3 actually, many of them still don't understand some basic things, like pushing tier 1 towers early and not doing anything to pressure opponents after is just gold delivered to enemy team closer to their base and just making enemy situation comfortable and making pockets of gold out of their own tier 1 towers for later when they will fall down way faster, many teams just wasted time like this, pushing early then backing in woods or some stupid shit like that, and just allowing enemy team to control creepwaves at their tower so that after they get some items to simply go as 5 and rape cause of item advantage. Way too little pressure applied on enemy teams by pretty much everyone except alliance.

As I was saying, xboct, although nice plays, it was far from the top performance in ti3, his job wasn't to do "top performance" his job was to farm and pay attention at the game and stay alive and farm and farm.

The thing is, he isn't capable of just farming in an even/unfavourable game and win it by brute force like BurNing, even if he was left alone, he can't handle his team being crushed, but it would actually be a better choice to let your team be crushed and to farm with alchemist. Why ? Because if alchemist comes to help, he won't do shit later, atleast this way he can provide some resistance later, he is the most farm dependant on their team -> he needs to farm not to help.
(If you don't know what i'm talking about, and why i'm saying xboct is no BurNing, you should probably watch this game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9xPHdOhHv0 (BurNing morph vs YaphetS sf and zhou pugna), which also has translated commentary from 2009, an old captain which knowledge of the game is still bigger than most of the current top team captains, listening to him you can learn a lot of stuff, especially you since you are still at lvl of saying "wtf mid no gank?")


Top performance in ti3 was s4 by far. Little cute plays aside (things you call top performance), the things that matter are others.

s4 outpicked everyone constantly (yes of course he had help from his teammates in pick phase, but his contribution and decision were final and vital) except games 2 and 3 with na'vi in finals in which they were just getting na'vi heroes to give them an annoying message of superiority. (annoying for na'vi and probably their fanboys, not for alliance)

s4 also played very good throughout all ti3, he almost always won midlane and just carried his team on his back in the midgame, and in the games he didn't win mid lane (when he was intentionally focused by enemy team, ganked and outpicked in midlane (because he is doing too much in midgame if left alone), he still managed to make significant contributions, unlike pretty much everyone. (when others were far behind, they stayed behind)

In game 5 you saw s4 at his finest, his knowledge of the game clearly showcased, his positioning was almost perfect when it mattered, and those tp cancels, were just beautiful.

3 tp cancels at his mid rax, and another 2 tp cancel at entrance from river to sentinel jungle, you could say he won the game alone by those plays, but his team did synergise good with him also, even so, that was by far the top performance in all ti3.

Dissapointed of the shitty level many teams have displayed, very little synergy in picks and coordination between their players, it's just pathetic honestly, teams with good players, incapable of having a lineup with potential for all phases of the game and for some lil coordination. Sad.

Alliance were the only candidates to win it this time, and it was obvious since the start.
Who the fuck will read this anyone read noooo!!!!! no1 will read this.
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: FU I am PeNGuiN on September 05, 2013, 14:20
Sorry for double post.
I want to hear Common opinion regarding the final xD
He could get up with 0.00000001% of its capabilities? xD
y regarding common, I have never seen 100 creeps in 10 mins on the whole ti3

XBOCT was so close to that :D
You think they have that much freedom of movement to get 100 creeps in 10 minutes ? And even if they had, they would not even try it because 1.it constantly weakens the lane he leaves from and 2.the gold can be also gotten by kills ... which is better since you prevent the guy who dies from getting xp/gold and most importantly 3. they are too much of a pussy to even try it. 0 confidence in their skill level, probably because it's so low, also 4. different game plan, most of the time this is it.

I laughed my ass off at that stupid drama that was in the air on forums when ti3 was ongoing about fountain hooks and "boring rat dota of alliance". (split push = boring rat dota apparently XDDDDDDDDDD)
Only retarded frustrated fanboys would make excuses like that for their teams losing.

Game is called "defense of the ancients", not "hey guys let's kill each other ok? then attack buildings only after enemy team is dead".
Oh well, retards gonna retard.

About the finals, did anyone actually expect na'vi to win ? They were so much weaker than alliance, it was painfully obvious alliance will win.

After the first game (which was a clear stomp), alliance just mocked na'vi in game 2 and 3, picking heroes that na'vi picked in game 1 and 2, even though they had way less synergy and potential of influence through all the game with them, just to get the message to them ->"WE ARE BETTER", and probably to make it a more interesting final. If they picked the standard shit which they are used to, na'vi would just lose 3-0 and that would be boring.

About players which showed decent play, it's sad BurNing has a pretty weak team, hands down the best current carry in top teams. (also acknowledged by pretty much everyone playing in the ti3 as being the best carry)

Mushi played pretty good, large variety of heroes, showcasing some balls, unlike the others which played 2-3 heroes 24/7, he had some good plays here and there, but even so, his performance was far from his best in ti3, he could've done much more. His issue is also that he doesn't have such good teammates, and at the level of "tryhard dota" having teammates which make mistakes a lot is pretty shitty. (not that he didn't make mistakes also) In other words, bad environment is a very big setback in this case, he had to do too much by himself, and it worked for him a lot of the times, but give him a break.

Top performance in all ti3 ? You may say xboct did something nice on bot lane in game 5, and he did (and his hero doesn't have too much potential for such things), but he only did it because of what alliance did there, and it wouldn't surprise me if alliance did that intentionally to give them a false sense of security.

Why would I think this ?

Because in games with lots of early action, if alchemist comes to help, he is pretty much NOTHING all game, it just doesn't work unless the team is clearly winning already and alliance knows this (He is supposed to not do shit. He is supposed to farm for a few items not roam around the map because it would waste way too much goblingreedgold) so if they know this, they could abuse it by doing stuff like that obviously bad dive, since they had advantage from picks they had room to do this kind of things.
If alchemist does try to do shit though (like xboct in game 5, trying to help allies too early) he will be ridicolously far behind later and can't farm safely anymore unless his entire team covers his ass from fog near him, but then his team gets 0 gold (and even if he could farm safely, because of too low items he would farm way too slow), it all adds up, very shitty decision making by na'vi, in a lot of ti3 games.

On shitty decision making, very shitty decision making by a lot of teams in ti3 actually, many of them still don't understand some basic things, like pushing tier 1 towers early and not doing anything to pressure opponents after is just gold delivered to enemy team closer to their base and just making enemy situation comfortable and making pockets of gold out of their own tier 1 towers for later when they will fall down way faster, many teams just wasted time like this, pushing early then backing in woods or some stupid shit like that, and just allowing enemy team to control creepwaves at their tower so that after they get some items to simply go as 5 and rape cause of item advantage. Way too little pressure applied on enemy teams by pretty much everyone except alliance.

As I was saying, xboct, although nice plays, it was far from the top performance in ti3, his job wasn't to do "top performance" his job was to farm and pay attention at the game and stay alive and farm and farm.

The thing is, he isn't capable of just farming in an even/unfavourable game and win it by brute force like BurNing, even if he was left alone, he can't handle his team being crushed, but it would actually be a better choice to let your team be crushed and to farm with alchemist. Why ? Because if alchemist comes to help, he won't do shit later, atleast this way he can provide some resistance later, he is the most farm dependant on their team -> he needs to farm not to help.
(If you don't know what i'm talking about, and why i'm saying xboct is no BurNing, you should probably watch this game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9xPHdOhHv0 (BurNing morph vs YaphetS sf and zhou pugna), which also has translated commentary from 2009, an old captain which knowledge of the game is still bigger than most of the current top team captains, listening to him you can learn a lot of stuff, especially you since you are still at lvl of saying "wtf mid no gank?")


Top performance in ti3 was s4 by far. Little cute plays aside (things you call top performance), the things that matter are others.

s4 outpicked everyone constantly (yes of course he had help from his teammates in pick phase, but his contribution and decision were final and vital) except games 2 and 3 with na'vi in finals in which they were just getting na'vi heroes to give them an annoying message of superiority. (annoying for na'vi and probably their fanboys, not for alliance)

s4 also played very good throughout all ti3, he almost always won midlane and just carried his team on his back in the midgame, and in the games he didn't win mid lane (when he was intentionally focused by enemy team, ganked and outpicked in midlane (because he is doing too much in midgame if left alone), he still managed to make significant contributions, unlike pretty much everyone. (when others were far behind, they stayed behind)

In game 5 you saw s4 at his finest, his knowledge of the game clearly showcased, his positioning was almost perfect when it mattered, and those tp cancels, were just beautiful.

3 tp cancels at his mid rax, and another 2 tp cancel at entrance from river to sentinel jungle, you could say he won the game alone by those plays, but his team did synergise good with him also, even so, that was by far the top performance in all ti3.

Dissapointed of the shitty level many teams have displayed, very little synergy in picks and coordination between their players, it's just pathetic honestly, teams with good players, incapable of having a lineup with potential for all phases of the game and for some lil coordination. Sad.

Alliance were the only candidates to win it this time, and it was obvious since the start.
too long; didnt even scroll thru it
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: iErnesto94 on September 05, 2013, 15:12
Sorry for double post.
I want to hear Common opinion regarding the final xD
He could get up with 0.00000001% of its capabilities? xD
y regarding common, I have never seen 100 creeps in 10 mins on the whole ti3

XBOCT was so close to that :D
You think they have that much freedom of movement to get 100 creeps in 10 minutes ? And even if they had, they would not even try it because 1.it constantly weakens the lane he leaves from and 2.the gold can be also gotten by kills ... which is better since you prevent the guy who dies from getting xp/gold and most importantly 3. they are too much of a pussy to even try it. 0 confidence in their skill level, probably because it's so low, also 4. different game plan, most of the time this is it.

I laughed my ass off at that stupid drama that was in the air on forums when ti3 was ongoing about fountain hooks and "boring rat dota of alliance". (split push = boring rat dota apparently XDDDDDDDDDD)
Only retarded frustrated fanboys would make excuses like that for their teams losing.

Game is called "defense of the ancients", not "hey guys let's kill each other ok? then attack buildings only after enemy team is dead".
Oh well, retards gonna retard.

About the finals, did anyone actually expect na'vi to win ? They were so much weaker than alliance, it was painfully obvious alliance will win.

After the first game (which was a clear stomp), alliance just mocked na'vi in game 2 and 3, picking heroes that na'vi picked in game 1 and 2, even though they had way less synergy and potential of influence through all the game with them, just to get the message to them ->"WE ARE BETTER", and probably to make it a more interesting final. If they picked the standard shit which they are used to, na'vi would just lose 3-0 and that would be boring.

About players which showed decent play, it's sad BurNing has a pretty weak team, hands down the best current carry in top teams. (also acknowledged by pretty much everyone playing in the ti3 as being the best carry)

Mushi played pretty good, large variety of heroes, showcasing some balls, unlike the others which played 2-3 heroes 24/7, he had some good plays here and there, but even so, his performance was far from his best in ti3, he could've done much more. His issue is also that he doesn't have such good teammates, and at the level of "tryhard dota" having teammates which make mistakes a lot is pretty shitty. (not that he didn't make mistakes also) In other words, bad environment is a very big setback in this case, he had to do too much by himself, and it worked for him a lot of the times, but give him a break.

Top performance in all ti3 ? You may say xboct did something nice on bot lane in game 5, and he did (and his hero doesn't have too much potential for such things), but he only did it because of what alliance did there, and it wouldn't surprise me if alliance did that intentionally to give them a false sense of security.

Why would I think this ?

Because in games with lots of early action, if alchemist comes to help, he is pretty much NOTHING all game, it just doesn't work unless the team is clearly winning already and alliance knows this (He is supposed to not do shit. He is supposed to farm for a few items not roam around the map because it would waste way too much goblingreedgold) so if they know this, they could abuse it by doing stuff like that obviously bad dive, since they had advantage from picks they had room to do this kind of things.
If alchemist does try to do shit though (like xboct in game 5, trying to help allies too early) he will be ridicolously far behind later and can't farm safely anymore unless his entire team covers his ass from fog near him, but then his team gets 0 gold (and even if he could farm safely, because of too low items he would farm way too slow), it all adds up, very shitty decision making by na'vi, in a lot of ti3 games.

On shitty decision making, very shitty decision making by a lot of teams in ti3 actually, many of them still don't understand some basic things, like pushing tier 1 towers early and not doing anything to pressure opponents after is just gold delivered to enemy team closer to their base and just making enemy situation comfortable and making pockets of gold out of their own tier 1 towers for later when they will fall down way faster, many teams just wasted time like this, pushing early then backing in woods or some stupid shit like that, and just allowing enemy team to control creepwaves at their tower so that after they get some items to simply go as 5 and rape cause of item advantage. Way too little pressure applied on enemy teams by pretty much everyone except alliance.

As I was saying, xboct, although nice plays, it was far from the top performance in ti3, his job wasn't to do "top performance" his job was to farm and pay attention at the game and stay alive and farm and farm.

The thing is, he isn't capable of just farming in an even/unfavourable game and win it by brute force like BurNing, even if he was left alone, he can't handle his team being crushed, but it would actually be a better choice to let your team be crushed and to farm with alchemist. Why ? Because if alchemist comes to help, he won't do shit later, atleast this way he can provide some resistance later, he is the most farm dependant on their team -> he needs to farm not to help.
(If you don't know what i'm talking about, and why i'm saying xboct is no BurNing, you should probably watch this game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9xPHdOhHv0 (BurNing morph vs YaphetS sf and zhou pugna), which also has translated commentary from 2009, an old captain which knowledge of the game is still bigger than most of the current top team captains, listening to him you can learn a lot of stuff, especially you since you are still at lvl of saying "wtf mid no gank?")


Top performance in ti3 was s4 by far. Little cute plays aside (things you call top performance), the things that matter are others.

s4 outpicked everyone constantly (yes of course he had help from his teammates in pick phase, but his contribution and decision were final and vital) except games 2 and 3 with na'vi in finals in which they were just getting na'vi heroes to give them an annoying message of superiority. (annoying for na'vi and probably their fanboys, not for alliance)

s4 also played very good throughout all ti3, he almost always won midlane and just carried his team on his back in the midgame, and in the games he didn't win mid lane (when he was intentionally focused by enemy team, ganked and outpicked in midlane (because he is doing too much in midgame if left alone), he still managed to make significant contributions, unlike pretty much everyone. (when others were far behind, they stayed behind)

In game 5 you saw s4 at his finest, his knowledge of the game clearly showcased, his positioning was almost perfect when it mattered, and those tp cancels, were just beautiful.

3 tp cancels at his mid rax, and another 2 tp cancel at entrance from river to sentinel jungle, you could say he won the game alone by those plays, but his team did synergise good with him also, even so, that was by far the top performance in all ti3.

Dissapointed of the shitty level many teams have displayed, very little synergy in picks and coordination between their players, it's just pathetic honestly, teams with good players, incapable of having a lineup with potential for all phases of the game and for some lil coordination. Sad.

Alliance were the only candidates to win it this time, and it was obvious since the start.
too long; didnt even scroll thru it
Story of my life.
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on September 05, 2013, 19:14
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot you have the attention of a child and your mind drifts after reading 10 words. You probably haven't even read this post, since it's so long. Has words in it and shit. Fuck that.

You should stop breathing my air.
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: .SaLiH. on September 05, 2013, 19:50
LOL OMG how you wrote that   :o
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on September 05, 2013, 20:06
I always wondered why you noobs always play dota like such scared pussies, now I know why.
If you are so scared of a lil wall of text, how can you not be scared of heroes trying to kill you ?
Makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: jeandarc on September 05, 2013, 21:42
only worthless analphabets wouldn't read that, common has a point, especially in the part when he gives facts about magina farming.

i'm just so disappointed that this place is left with nothing more than mockers who can't even complete a single sentence.
Title: Re: D2 TI3 Finals
Post by: Nistor on September 05, 2013, 23:31
the point is Jean that no one read what is common writting xD

maybe if someone else post something like that ... :P