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Strategy Discussion Section => Strategy => Topic started by: meto1230 on April 05, 2013, 02:07
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I'm playing weaver these games more than usual so i wanted to ask your opinions also your bıilds too.My start items ring of protection salve,tree,3 branch.In lane i buy tranquil boots and stick goes to magic wand.Then go for radiance + vitality booster + cloak(magic resist) in order.Now disassamble tranquil make ring of basilus + hood.Finally finish heart. ;D Maybe late ring of basilus is ridiculous but i want that minor regen later while i am active on ganks/combats.
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I like to play with this build:
1. PT
2. Vanguard/hood/
3. Manta
4. MKB
5. Buriza
6. Heart
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basil
medaljon of kuraž
linken
mkb
gameover
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wand
pt
linkin if much disables or just vg if not
buriza...
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1) Pt
2) Linken
3) Buriza
4) sange yasha
5) basher ;)
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I go for power treads agi/str depending on game flow.Than perv for quick mana and hp regen and after that linken , yasha with manta and than whatever.
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boots of travel (you need ms), since weaver has high hp, just go for damage and regen. perfect item is bf. since it's just so good, buy 2 of em + that cleave is good for farming and killing rosh. then buy rod of atos because you have to slow enemies (weaver has pretty low ms). and for finish, get buriza because it totally stacks with your geminate attack
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boots of travel (you need ms), since weaver has high hp, just go for damage and regen. perfect item is bf. since it's just so good, buy 2 of em + that cleave is good for farming and killing rosh. then buy rod of atos because you have to slow enemies (weaver has pretty low ms). and for finish, get buriza because it totally stacks with your geminate attack
And if that did not work. sell your items, buy divine and lose a game.
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boots of travel (you need ms), since weaver has high hp, just go for damage and regen. perfect item is bf. since it's just so good, buy 2 of em + that cleave is good for farming and killing rosh. then buy rod of atos because you have to slow enemies (weaver has pretty low ms). and for finish, get buriza because it totally stacks with your geminate attack
No Mask of Madness? Highest item movespeed boost (+30%) in game. Also insane attackspeed, so you could have more geminate attacks. Skadi is better for slowing than Rod because you don't have to click it (you could accidentally slow creep, lol) and it has no cooldown. Desolator gives good damage with that -armor, and stacks even better than buriza, because you can reduce armor TWICE with geminate (ouch, that hurts).
I am disappointed.
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I saw this theme,it looks nice,and I got a few ideas for weaver.
I'm a fan of pt,cause of attack speed and stats changing (if needed),but I also got a weird idea,if you're unable to farm on ur lane cause of harrasing heroes. You can always do tranquill boots,cause of that HP,armor and armor regen,and you can always disable it later,the best part is,you can basically use all of the required items for it later (ring of protection => basilius, ring of rege => hood of defiance)
As for core items,I'd say magic wand,ring of aquilla,maybe a couple of wraith bands,it's depending from the lane. Urn of shadows could also be usefull,if you're charging/ganking type of a guy,the same thing goes for Medallion of courage. Survivability is also dependable from the opponents heroes,but I normally go for either vanguard or hood,and linken sphere later,cause of that manaregeneration and spell block every 20 secs.
As for late game items,I'm personally avoiding mkb on weaver,cause of the glitch with germinate attack + mkb's truesight,idk if any of you guys noticed that,but truesight won't stack with germinate attack... Buriza is my 1st choice,cause it's hard to get early radiance vs good players,but there are some situations where Eye of Skadi could come in handy,cause slow stacks with germinate attack (skadi is only a buff placer on ranged) and + you'll get nice HP and mana from it. Sometimes early manta style could be usefull,I know weaver doesn't need more movespeed,but it will give you some HP and mana,and you can use it to avoid spells and to disable dust with it. And as for the rest late game items,oce again,it's dependable,but it's normally butterfly,assault courias,and sometimes even early mavolence can cause some harm to int casters...
Well,theese are just my thoughts,don't hate me cause I like to risk in games :)
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omg divide imba build. desolator and with geminate you lower armor by 12 AND since bf is core on weaver you can splash that desolator debuff + cleave = solo team wipe
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Funny guy, almost made me smile
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Ummm... Who cares?
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Why noone makes radiance its's like battlefury of weaver (no reg ofc farming style) ? ;D About ms u dont need ms or even boots skuhuchi is enough for ms i think.About linken,its kinda so selfish item and smart enemies will get rid of ur linken with some useless spell.Anyway thats my thoughts so far cheers :)
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what if there is doom in your enemy, making linking would be selfish?
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Making linken vs doom is even more retarded. He has 2 targeted spell, one of them being lvl death which has cd like 6 sec
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linken will save you in most of the cases
so according to you which item could be a counter to doom?
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Mkb, buriza, skadi, linken, random boots, heart.
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Linken shere has it's own advantages and disadvantages,you can't just look at the spell block... It's good on weaver cause of mana regen and it's gonna give you a small stats boost aswell... You can't counter Lucifer with it,true,but in that case,Hood of Defiance is a wise option. And as for Radiance,it's preety good on weaver,but it's not easy to farm it out,it takes time and you need a good support near you for it if you wanna get it before 20 mins... Correct me if I'm wrong :)
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Counter doom with linken = lame come on jean u play on ss and voucher also :)
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linken will save you in most of the cases
so according to you which item could be a counter to doom?
No item build counters doom.
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radiance - linken - burizza - hot - butterfly
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linken will save you in most of the cases
so according to you which item could be a counter to doom?
No item build counters doom.
Except BKB Linken will actually require enemy to throw another ultimate before dooming weaver.
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bkb + linken or some disable on lucifer like orchid can be answer.
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There are supports to make orchid jsut for that.
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bkb+ linken= wasting money on waver. You can go bkb or linken but both...
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No one said it's viable. I'm just pointing out that you can counter Doom if you want to.
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No one said it's viable. I'm just pointing out that you can counter Doom if you want to.
y i know :D
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Why should someone else waste their ultimate in order to doom you? Lvl death can jus take linken off, then doom weaver.
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Oh and btw, doom goes through bkb, and deals universal damage, meaning it will not only silence you during your bkb, it will also deal damage.
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Read again. BKB blocks vast majority of non-ults, Lvl? death included. Linken can block what remains. Then of course you can get refresher on Doom bringer, and shit on that. Then, you can get orchid and silence Doom before he does everything. Then, he can have BKB as as well and block it. But you can have abyssal blade, or Rexxar, or Silencer. Or whatever.
There's always some way around.
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Sure, I was just trying to say that linken doesn't counter Doom
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ok let's take an example like this:
you are weaver farming on solo lane (you have linken), doom comes to gank you, there are 2 possibilities that could happen there:
1) Stupid version: He will directly cast his ulti on you (which will obviously be blocked)
2) "Smart" version: He will cast lvl and then try to ulti you
In the both versions doom will fail to gank weaver unless weaver is dumb. The animation of Lvl skill is about 0.5-1.0 sec if I'm not wrong, for that period you have more than enough time to run with your shukuchi.
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Smart doom, solo ganking without invi detection. :D
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If doom comes alone to gank ure right but generally i wont go gank weaver with only one hero he is hard to kill u know .It depends on game get whatever u want but with linken u waste a bit money for intelligence stats and mana reg.
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If doom comes alone to gank ure right but generally i wont go gank weaver with only one hero he is hard to kill u know .It depends on game get whatever u want but with linken u waste a bit money for intelligence stats and mana reg.
one simply thinks that linken sucks and u cant prove him otherise. i dont agree.. i hope somone ingame will teach you
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Linken doesn't suck. I just said it won't help you not get doomed.
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Well no doubt linken is core weaver item.
One item will never protects you from gank if you wont use your brain.
If you have smart wardign team u wont be suprised u died from lucifer.
If you have smart supports lucifer will run from you.
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If doom comes alone to gank ure right but generally i wont go gank weaver with only one hero he is hard to kill u know .It depends on game get whatever u want but with linken u waste a bit money for intelligence stats and mana reg.
one simply thins linken sucks and u cant prove him otherise. i dont agree.. i hope somone ingame will teach you
http://dotabuff.com/players/119914752/matches?hero=weaver&game_mode=&match_type=real I was doing linken also i didnt said it sucks just i want to get my radiance as soon as i can :(
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I will never understand people making radiance on weaver...
I rather make MKB instead of radi...
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Because there is synergy with weaver and radiance.U use shukuchi to its last second which will let u another shukuchi earlier(otherwise ure more vulnurable) at the same time it burns damage and pays it off.Also farming is easier with it to get ur higher items like heart.It works like battlefury but a bit slower version imo.
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I will never understand people making radiance on weaver...
I rather make MKB instead of radi...
The problem with MKB is that True Strike doesn't work too well with Geminate Attack in wc3 DotA.
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I will never understand people making radiance on weaver...
I rather make MKB instead of radi...
Simple , cause radiance is ~3 times better item than mkb on weaver, many reasons.
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Id like to know the reasons then 8)
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AOE dps of radiance with shukuci+1st spell(forgot name :D ) is just raping everyone around, not just one target like MKB. Plus, mkb cancels your 3rd spell when true strike is on, they kinda don't work together as they should.
So basically, main reason is --- AOE rape is better than single target rape. Weaver is one of strongest radiance-holders, due to his ability to stay in middle of fights for a long time.
It is like, would you make radiance for spectra, or basher/sange yasha ? Rape all or rape one by one? Your choice :D
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Thats hard arguments. I might try it then :D Who know maybe Ill change my mind about radi item :P
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Thats hard arguments. I might try it then :D Who know maybe Ill change my mind about radi item :P
Radiance underrated in pubs, with a reason. For a radiance to be fully functional as it should , you need normal teammates. Then it becomes lethal.
But still, on weaver, between mkb and radiance, it is easy to decide. :)
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Thats hard arguments. I might try it then :D Who know maybe Ill change my mind about radi item :P
Radiance underrated in pubs, with a reason. For a radiance to be fully functional as it should , you need normal teammates. Then it becomes lethal.
But still, on weaver, between mkb and radiance, it is easy to decide. :)
I would like to hear u decide between hood and linken too in some private game or league.Linkens more than 5k hood only 2100.3k waste which is nearly reaver more useful imo.
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Thats hard arguments. I might try it then :D Who know maybe Ill change my mind about radi item :P
Radiance underrated in pubs, with a reason. For a radiance to be fully functional as it should , you need normal teammates. Then it becomes lethal.
But still, on weaver, between mkb and radiance, it is easy to decide. :)
I would like to hear u decide between hood and linken too in some private game or league.Linkens more than 5k hood only 2100.3k waste which is nearly reaver more useful imo.
I don't like linken on weaver so much, too much gold. Usually vitality booster + hood (if needed) , with radiance as core item is much better.
Ofc, in some games linken is a must, like when you play vs for example lion/rhasta as solo laners, and they get dagger, you are free kill without linken. Sometimes also versus slardar/gondar or doom etc.
Anyway, most important is to see your role in game, and then decide what to make , will you have enough farm, are you only(hard) carry, and many more. I sometimes play weaver as mid game hero, with booster+urn/medalion , with low farm and max mobility, it all depends of game and your role in it.