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General Section => General Discussions => Feedback => Topic started by: Illuminator_HR on December 12, 2012, 16:57
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Any way psr system get's changed. I just played a 1500+ game with host who had 1540 psr.
His stats were k/d/a 3.7/7.8/7.2 and he had w/l 31/33 (casperc is his name). In the game that just finished he had 1-13-5 with trax (lost bottom tower min 3-4)
Can psr system be more score relevant? I mean, with all of my 3 accounts i have more loses then wins and more kills then deaths (and alot of assissts, since i don't really play carries much).
I know some pro people will say: well psr system was made for 1v1 games not pubs 5v5.
In that case, can you remove psr system from pubs, since it wasn't made for them or make some new system for pubs.
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There were a lot of suggestions and complains about PSR system, but I think the system will remain the same.
Also, there was other system than PSR, TPS. It wasn't implemented to bot, but it considered your stats.
Btw what did you expect from player with K/D/A 4/8/7 and CK/CD/CN 47/1/17? 1540 PSR is low, win 2 games and you have it...
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psr is best system atm no need for changes.
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No it wasn't made for 1v1,ELO system was made(and for others,PSR is almost nothing like ELO).Well some peeps play support and it would be unfair for them.For people like me,i own with good people but i lose with idiots and mostly i get something like 1-10-3 since i have to play otherwise i get banned for afk.You need to have stack for first 100-200 psr after that you can play easily
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Well yeah seems i will go play riki/gondar/bara/never/trax bit more.
Bye bye whisp, techise, eza, treant, leshrac and other loved ones, cya when I'm back to 1700 psr.
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*update*
So, my goal to achive 1700 starts. I played with nerubean assassin. My teammate (name relaxed) got raged for some reason, he bought gem and intentilly gave to enemy team, then sold all his items, and bought bottles then he used them and left the game. So i lost the game. I guess now i have to win 3 games in a row right astaroth?
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Depends on game you play, if you play with guys like casperc (noob games) you:
1) Must not pick carry, every1 in your team will pick it as well.
2) Must not pick support, these ppl are unsupportable.
3) You must pick usefull hero, handy tank, stay with allies.
Now you may win a game and get PSR but you won't improve your stats, you'll have 1:1 K/D and many assists, few creeps.
4) Skip #3 and pick early - mid killer, some hero who can easily rape weak carries, Shredder for example.
Now you may win a game, if your allies won't fail much. Since you'll be running around, solo ganking woods etc, your mates may still fail w/o your help. This way you may get good K/D ratio and some creep stats but if your team won't finish soon, enemy will rape you later.
Also never rely on "I had 3 games with total noobs in game, 4th game has to be better".
Conclusion: Nothing to do here, fly away. Or get friends.
;D ;D ;D
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*update*
Another game was 20-20 score, then we had a leaver and now lost cause of 4v5. So have to win 4 games in a row now >.>
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I think psr system should stay but remove stats from SD put only W/L we loose alot of games cause people pick and play for stats and victory shoulded be the main objective. People wouldn´t steal, people would buy more suport items like wards, dusts... Think about that
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I think psr system should stay but remove stats from SD put only W/L we loose alot of games cause people pick and play for stats and victory shoulded be the main objective. People wouldn´t steal, people would buy more suport items like wards, dusts... Think about that
Indeed, ppl play for stats or for PSR. It is kinda hard to play for both at the same time.
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psr is best system atm no need for changes.
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... remove stats from SD put only W/L ...
= Oh My God !!!!
I cant resist of answering about it...PSR is a total fail and only k/d/a (4 heroes and creep deny ) count
If u play only noob pub 5 agi is ok, check and decide basing on psr
If u play some decent game with 1 carry (only 1) 1 support , 1 initiator ecc check sd
Only sd reveals who u are
Psr would be good only 4 teams of friends and active talking ppl...unfortunately is almost impossible
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it sux (my opinion)
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i like it
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psr is best system atm no need for changes.
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... remove stats from SD put only W/L ...
= Oh My God !!!!
I cant resist of answering about it...PSR is a total fail and only k/d/a (4 heroes and creep deny ) count
If u play only noob pub 5 agi is ok, check and decide basing on psr
If u play some decent game with 1 carry (only 1) 1 support , 1 initiator ecc check sd
Only sd reveals who u are
Psr would be good only 4 teams of friends and active talking ppl...unfortunately is almost impossible
Actually sd doesn't reveal anything.Let's say you're playing a normal game,lets say you get average of 100 or more creeps and 10 or more denies.You get around 5-0-5 or 10-0-5 and you think "omg this one plays good".And puff he was farming on lane,got some lucky kills and few assists but he was only farming.
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dont play solo
easy win to get top 1
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I dont see why you complain about PSR so much. There isn't perfect system.
Also you mentioned 1500 psr game in which you find most retards who ruin the game ; for example , someone will get lucky and own the first game with traxes, bara or any other carry and get score 10 0 2 with some solid cs and you will think ''He is good'' , and you get in team with him. He picks some carry again but of course whole team picks carries (total fail) and other team picks some hardcore Ints and what happens ?! Your team fails and they win.Also consider everyone has good / bad days.
Pubs are made for fun , so i dont know why people still complain about PSR not being perfect. It is not Garena where everyone is hacking , you know shit about who plays how and if you own someone they will leave the game.
Also ,you can play Tournaments , find yourself a team , there are lots of good teams in them so you can expect more fun.
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People make dagons to get kills, and sometimes it ruins game for example. You see how a player play for sd?
So how about a guy with 73/23 (W/L) can´t you see that he is a good player? I saw people with 10/4/7 only stealing in game for stats and that doesn´t make him good. I prefer playing with guys 5/5/13 for example but that´s 1 in 100 players.
Make it only with PSRs and W/L. SD fucks the quality of games most of the times...
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PSR is bad----
first of all coz of !sd K/D/A
there is always a tard who is playing on score.... not for the win....
that should be out..... more smth on points if u win u get 10 or 50 or 100 points depends on mod u play....
smth like that..... just an idea....
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that´s more dificult. just put W/L and % with PSR on "SD" nothing more
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I have one weird idea.
(Kills +Assist )x10/deaths + (creeps +denials +neutrals )/minute = rating for win
((Kills +Assist )x10/deaths + (creeps +denials +neutrals )/minute) -60 = rating for lost game
Example 5/5/13 80/10/20 minute 25 end of game.
18x10/5 + (80+10+20)/25= 36+4.4 = +40.5 rating. if lost -19.5 rating.
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there is no perfect system... psr is just fine.
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I have one weird idea.
(Kills +Assist )x10/deaths + (creeps +denials +neutrals )/minute = rating for win
((Kills +Assist )x10/deaths + (creeps +denials +neutrals )/minute) -60 = rating for lost game
Example 5/5/13 80/10/20 minute 25 end of game.
18x10/5 + (80+10+20)/25= 36+4.4 = +40.5 rating. if lost -19.5 rating.
Not balanced . An 25-1-25 250/50/100 ( classic sf stats for a pro player ) in a 60min game would give 56.6 psr....
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Lets balance it more. I did not said it is perfect.
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I really dont care about PSR, but there is one bad thing IMO. U gain your psr based on who u played against. (U beat low players, u get low psr points) And there it comes:
U need other players to progress, to make your own progress.
Maybe some balanced formula could be implemented to fix this.
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I've made something in excel. Feel free to test it. Here (https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=61A40C79A243787B!111)
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There was suggestion to automaticly show KDA of player when he joins the game , so you can kick them if you dont want them.
I dont think they will PSR system , for me , it works just fine when it comes to pubs.You can play IHRL league if you want more advanced game.
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U will never be able to make such sys witch will be perfect and ppl with biggest psr aint best on this bot. That is for sure and it will always be like that, because:
-k/d/a depends witch type of heroes u play the most: carry, support, semi carry, counter heroes, roamers etc... so u wont have perfect stats if u play support or so.
-there are many stacks playing here on pubs, i meet same every day... And ofc its not the same when u play with team with bunch of pubers.
-psr depends of total games played cuz it has tendency to grow with number of games.
So for me PSR is just the thing witch separate noobs (with low psr) and call it pros with high, and at the end im just looking for the good game where everyone knows what is their job in team and we will have GG
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Ok this is what I was mentioned, I will try to explain myself. I am not trying to make perfect system, I just puted one idea for it. I am speaking about next : PSR must not be gained by wining/losing game, it must have more factors. That is all what I was speaking about. Excuse me if I am wrong, but that is my humble opinion.
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U will never be able to make such sys witch will be perfect and ppl with biggest psr aint best on this bot. That is for sure and it will always be like that, because:
-k/d/a depends witch type of heroes u play the most: carry, support, semi carry, counter heroes, roamers etc... so u wont have perfect stats if u play support or so.
-there are many stacks playing here on pubs, i meet same every day... And ofc its not the same when u play with team with bunch of pubers.
-psr depends of total games played cuz it has tendency to grow with number of games.
So for me PSR is just the thing witch separate noobs (with low psr) and call it pros with high, and at the end im just looking for the good game where everyone knows what is their job in team and we will have GG
With all respect m8, try this equation:
Kills = K
Deaths = D
Assist = A
Creeps = C
Denials = Dn
Neutrals = N
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U will never be able to make such sys witch will be perfect and ppl with biggest psr aint best on this bot. That is for sure and it will always be like that, because:
-k/d/a depends witch type of heroes u play the most: carry, support, semi carry, counter heroes, roamers etc... so u wont have perfect stats if u play support or so.
-there are many stacks playing here on pubs, i meet same every day... And ofc its not the same when u play with team with bunch of pubers.
-psr depends of total games played cuz it has tendency to grow with number of games.
So for me PSR is just the thing witch separate noobs (with low psr) and call it pros with high, and at the end im just looking for the good game where everyone knows what is their job in team and we will have GG
With all respect m8, try this equation:
Kills = K
Deaths = D
Assist = A
Creeps = C
Denials = Dn
Neutrals = N
Minutes = M
(K+A)x2/(D+2) +(C+Dn+N)/m
P.S. Sorry for double post.
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Lets say u r playing support in one game. U buy 12 observer wards, 6 counter wards, chick, u try to gank them, do meka, u let ur carry every creep in line, let kills, and u r good support, u won game but u dont have ur points...
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I had some good formula that gave same points to those with low creeps and high deaths and carries with high kills+assists and high cs.But obviously if that doesn't take in what hero you are using than it's useless in pubs(since maybe ursa gets low creeps and high deaths but still gets points).And well,none plays support in pubs unless you have stack or in top 10 games(sometimes).I think that PSR system as it is,is perfect for pub games.You can all ways find 4 nice humans and win some games then you can play solo
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Kills = K
Deaths = D
Assist = A
Creeps = C
Denials = Dn
Neutrals = N
dafuq ?
its
K - kills
D - deaths
A - Assists
CK - Creep Kills
CD - Creep Denies
NK - Neutral Kills
and dafuq is denials ?
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Remove K/D/A and creeps stats. It´s the only way... allways a tard farming creeps for stats or not buying wards to have items to help them killing better
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+1 I agree.
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Remove K/D/A and creeps stats. It´s the only way... allways a tard farming creeps for stats or not buying wards to have items to help them killing better
rly good idea, support
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Let's take an example like this: a guy with high psr joins a game, he has 200 games, 95% of his game he was playing stack and he has horror kills/deaths stats and the shitty part is that I wouldn't see that he sucks big time and then he will ruin the game, does it make sense to you?
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well then it is 5% chance to join solo game and even lower percent 0,xx% to join ur game
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ain't gonna happen anyway
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Quote from: Cinos on January 02, 2013, 02:15 am
Remove K/D/A and creeps stats. It´s the only way... allways a tard farming creeps for stats or not buying wards to have items to help them killing better
rly good idea, support
sup
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Let's take an example like this: a guy with high psr joins a game, he has 200 games, 95% of his game he was playing stack and he has horror kills/deaths stats and the shitty part is that I wouldn't see that he sucks big time and then he will ruin the game, does it make sense to you?
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With 5 players on a pub game not worried with stats they can play as a team a beat stacks, and with this system you can´t. And don´t come give that kind of examples Jean because of course there is not a 100% perfect system, don´t take me bad I just want this to improve and for better game playing this is the best you can do...
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Remove K/D/A and creeps stats. It´s the only way... allways a tard farming creeps for stats or not buying wards to have items to help them killing better
+1
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Well i think that psr system is the best thing here , and if you remove it it wont be that much fun anymore , it would become same as garena.......
Rly bad idea hope it wont happen
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No need to improve almost anything here.
- U have IHRL if you think you're pro, or decent.
- If you dont want a "noobs" in your team, go host a game, and get only players with 10/2 scores per game with high psr.
Finally it's PUB games! U always can choose players in your team if you care about that. There are not rule that say u can not choose whatever player u want in your team. So If someone have 200/300/400 creeps per game, ofcors he will farm most of time, and if he have 14/2 K/D score per game, he will just go for kills.
The only thing I would recommend here is when someone is recconecting that the game is automatically paused for 10-15 seconds. Mostly if someone is reconecting, the other team is going to kill him, and he don't even see what's going on there. So pause a game for couple seconds till he recconect fully.
It's pub games, everyone play for that stats. If you want a better game, ofcors u will apply for some league.
Suggestions for pub games :
- Reconnecting player ( automatically paused game 10-15 seconds, especially if it's first blood, it's over. Mostly u lost games, on pub like that, because everyone is pissed off if someone kill him on that way).
- Better anti map hack tools.
- And get bot off for couple hours. Long time didn't saw ppl spam channel :) Joke!
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Remove K/D/A and creeps stats. It´s the only way...
I rly dont think is a good idea
The only thing I would recommend here is when someone is recconecting that the game is automatically paused for 10-15 seconds. Mostly if someone is reconecting, the other team is going to kill him, and he don't even see what's going on there. So pause a game for couple seconds till he recconect fully.
This is a good idea...normally Host put 500 sync = played death
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Hi all and sorry for my english,
I have a problem and i hope i get resolve here.
After to start my game, i type !balance , and i type !R to see my prs +- and i saw +1 prs for win, i win that game, but in reality i get 0 prs.
How is possible ? Is a bug? how i wil get that prs?
please watch game link ..
04:23 Admetus !balance
04:23 Sentinel avg. PSR: 1683(53% to win), Scourge avg. PSR: 1684(47% to win)
04:24 Admetus !R
04:24 Admetus's PSR is 1832, +1/-0
04:25 Admetus !RS
04:25 Sentinel avg. PSR: 1683(53% to win), Scourge avg. PSR: 1684(47% to win)
04:27 Admetus !start
04:27 Game is starting, game mode is set to [ap].
04:27 10. . .
04:27 9. . .
04:28 8. . .
http://lagabuse.com/stats/game/4903625
Im gonna post this here cuz that topick is locked..
Correct me if im wrong but i think this will happen if a player from the opposing team leaves before the game is finished. You get 1 psr less that you would have got if the game has finished 5v5. This happened to me many times, in the game it says i gain 6 psr, then 1 guy from the other team leaves and i get 5 psr.
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You got the answer there - http://lagabuse.com/forum/index.php/topic,126600.msg436349.html#msg436349
Or you didn't understand what Blind_joker said?
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You got the answer there - http://lagabuse.com/forum/index.php/topic,126600.msg436349.html#msg436349
Or you didn't understand what Blind_joker said?
I think what he wants to say is that it is not a bug.If someone leaves the game and its 5v4 u get -1 psr of the +psr for winning.So u didn't have to give him..Its how the system works.Btw if it rly was a bug all players should get +1 psr :-) Just sayin' :D
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He earned that +1 point and he deserved it. I can add him that PSR if I want and I did it. End of story...
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You got the answer there - http://lagabuse.com/forum/index.php/topic,126600.msg436349.html#msg436349
Or you didn't understand what Blind_joker said?
I think what he wants to say is that it is not a bug.If someone leaves the game and its 5v4 u get -1 psr of the +psr for winning.So u didn't have to give him..Its how the system works.Btw if it rly was a bug all players should get +1 psr :-) Just sayin' :D
U jelly
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r u stupid? I was just correcting him and clearly wrote what "fear" wanted to say..Btw yea im jelly for 1psr..
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Just saw this topic.I wanted to say to those guys which play solo and can't get psr what I do. Games here are super easy. In low psr games I just insta pick a mid hero and call the lane (Heroes like: nyx assassin, batrider, pudge, SF, magnus, panda, TA etc.). Then either farm the lane as much as you want and later solo win(ward around mid to prevent ganks), or, which is better considering which heroes I listed, gank whole freaking game. Bottle, smoke, wards and turn your enemies to food and yourself into a beast.
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Just saw this topic.I wanted to say to those guys which play solo and can't get psr what I do. Games here are super easy. In low psr games I just insta pick a mid hero and call the lane (Heroes like: nyx assassin, batrider, pudge, SF, magnus, panda, TA etc.). Then either farm the lane as much as you want and later solo win(ward around mid to prevent ganks), or, which is better considering which heroes I listed, gank whole freaking game. Bottle, smoke, wards and turn your enemies to food and yourself into a beast.
cool story, i never saw u did it :D
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Download replays of couple of my games then. Maybe you learn something.
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Just saw this topic.I wanted to say to those guys which play solo and can't get psr what I do. Games here are super easy. In low psr games I just insta pick a mid hero and call the lane (Heroes like: nyx assassin, batrider, pudge, SF, magnus, panda, TA etc.). Then either farm the lane as much as you want and later solo win(ward around mid to prevent ganks), or, which is better considering which heroes I listed, gank whole freaking game. Bottle, smoke, wards and turn your enemies to food and yourself into a beast.
cool story, i never saw u did it :D
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I have an account, it has 1338 psr but it also has 6/6/13 and 67/5/2 but still when i get banned on my main account, and when i try to play on that account, everyone just writes !psr and sees i've got 1338 and kickes me without actualy checking my sd. Some players are just stupid.
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you mean you think people are idiots cuz they kick you cuz you have 67 (Creep Kill) 5 (denies) 2 (Nc) ???
I think they are smart :D
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He has lots of assists and is not a feeder. I agree with him. People are mostly kicking you because they want balanced teams, regarding psr.
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I think psr system should stay but remove stats from SD put only W/L we loose alot of games cause people pick and play for stats and victory shoulded be the main objective. People wouldn´t steal, people would buy more suport items like wards, dusts... Think about that
Agreed but, there are still the unlucky players like me. I had an account, around 1600PSR (im an avarage player) and then the lose steak begun. I lost around 15 games in a row and i left with an rly low psr around 1300-1400, but in every single game i had very good stats like 9/5/10 and i've been left with an terrible psr but an very good sd, just because in every single game i played, there was and leaver, afker or feeder, or all 3 of them. And then i made another account, and the first game i had 9/4/16 but, guess what, i lost because an feeder. And the second game i played, i had 4/8/6 (i was playing terrible, they were only focusing me) and i won -.-. So, the point is, dota isn't all about skills, in fact, for avarage player, its mostly about luck, and you cant make an perfect sistem because of luck!!!. I would prefer thad you guys leave the psr sistem as it is and hope the best. Best regards.
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I think psr system should stay but remove stats from SD put only W/L we loose alot of games cause people pick and play for stats and victory shoulded be the main objective. People wouldn´t steal, people would buy more suport items like wards, dusts... Think about that
Agreed but, there are still the unlucky players like me. I had an account, around 1600PSR (im an avarage player) and then the lose steak begun. I lost around 15 games in a row and i left with an rly low psr around 1300-1400, but in every single game i had very good stats like 9/5/10 and i've been left with an terrible psr but an very good sd, just because in every single game i played, there was and leaver, afker or feeder, or all 3 of them. And then i made another account, and the first game i had 9/4/16 but, guess what, i lost because an feeder. And the second game i played, i had 4/8/6 (i was playing terrible, they were only focusing me) and i won -.-. So, the point is, dota isn't all about skills, in fact, for avarage player, its mostly about luck, and you cant make an perfect sistem because of luck!!!. I would prefer thad you guys leave the psr sistem as it is and hope the best. Best regards.
This has to be one of the stupidest sentences I read on this forum. Dota is not a fucking lottery. Majority of your (I assume your account corresponds with forum account) games are low lvl -em games where people pick 5 carries, what do you expect, to magically farm items on everyone and right click your way to victory. -em does not teach anything right and makes most proper team compositions useless. What I find even more funny is your arguments about leavers and feeders when you are banned for leaving a game after feeding 0/4 with Treant in 12 minutes. So nothing is wrong with Dota, you are just low skilled player who blames his team and luck for his failures, and you are actually playing with people who are same as you- low skilled and eager to alt-f4/flame.
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I think psr system should stay but remove stats from SD put only W/L we loose alot of games cause people pick and play for stats and victory shoulded be the main objective. People wouldn´t steal, people would buy more suport items like wards, dusts... Think about that
Agreed but, there are still the unlucky players like me. I had an account, around 1600PSR (im an avarage player) and then the lose steak begun. I lost around 15 games in a row and i left with an rly low psr around 1300-1400, but in every single game i had very good stats like 9/5/10 and i've been left with an terrible psr but an very good sd, just because in every single game i played, there was and leaver, afker or feeder, or all 3 of them. And then i made another account, and the first game i had 9/4/16 but, guess what, i lost because an feeder. And the second game i played, i had 4/8/6 (i was playing terrible, they were only focusing me) and i won -.-. So, the point is, dota isn't all about skills, in fact, for avarage player, its mostly about luck, and you cant make an perfect sistem because of luck!!!. I would prefer thad you guys leave the psr sistem as it is and hope the best. Best regards.
This has to be one of the stupidest sentences I read on this forum. Dota is not a fucking lottery. Majority of your (I assume your account corresponds with forum account) games are low lvl -em games where people pick 5 carries, what do you expect, to magically farm items on everyone and right click your way to victory. -em does not teach anything right and makes most proper team compositions useless. What I find even more funny is your arguments about leavers and feeders when you are banned for leaving a game after feeding 0/4 with Treant in 12 minutes. So nothing is wrong with Dota, you are just low skilled player who blames his team and luck for his failures, and you are actually playing with people who are same as you- low skilled and eager to alt-f4/flame.
You never played an game before when a guy the hole game just runs into their base to feed his friend, you never played a game when someone dies and leaves, you never played a game before when someone blames you because he was farming in their forrest and then just says "gg, i'll be afk", you never played dota than at all. Im playing em games a lot, but im also playing 1600+ games with my brother sometimes and in both ones there is always an retard. So yeah, I still think when you are a new player its mostly about luck, will you get normal teamates or not.