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Title: Best anti picks
Post by: _VendettA_ on November 09, 2012, 00:04
Hi all ..
I want your opinions about those two heroes (lycan and huskar)
My question is what's the best anti picks for those two and by that I mean (1 v 1)
Pls don't spam with useless replays ..

Give me the best answers guys ..thx ^^
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on November 09, 2012, 00:10
You mean 1v1 full items fight , or when you lane vs them on mid for example?

Or generally best counter?

Bash>both anyway.
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: _VendettA_ on November 09, 2012, 00:13
You mean 1v1 full items fight , or when you lane vs them on mid for example?

Or generally best counter?

Bash>both anyway.

well u can help me with both situations .. full items fight/ lane vs them in 1 vs 1 game.

BKB > bash so that won't be best solution here mate .
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: vaikiss on November 09, 2012, 00:14
bash works thru bkb..
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on November 09, 2012, 00:15
You mean 1v1 full items fight , or when you lane vs them on mid for example?

Or generally best counter?

Bash>both anyway.

well u can help me with both situations .. full items fight/ lane vs them in 1 vs 1 game.

BKB > bash so that won't be best solution here mate .

bkb> bash? dafuq

bash  > all ( it works over bkb ofc)

About laning phase, many heroes can rape lycan on lane since he sux , but lets say bat/wr/invo or anything similar.

Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: div.ide on November 09, 2012, 00:17
Ranged bash actually gets blocked by bkb, since stun is magical.
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: _VendettA_ on November 09, 2012, 00:18
bash works thru bkb..

what if they have it two ? i mean they have higher damage then most of the other heroes right? .. which hero do u suggest to counter them ?
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on November 09, 2012, 00:20
bash works thru bkb..

what if they have it two ? i mean they have higher damage them most of the other heroes right? .. which hero do u suggest to counter them ?

Well, its hard to say like this , it all depends if you are able to use all spells, who has more luck with bash and much much more. But lets say void > both if fed . Husk stands no chance vs meele hero with bash, and for lycan you need some agility hero with some nice passive bash/crit or so.

Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: _VendettA_ on November 09, 2012, 00:21
You mean 1v1 full items fight , or when you lane vs them on mid for example?

Or generally best counter?

Bash>both anyway.

well u can help me with both situations .. full items fight/ lane vs them in 1 vs 1 game.

BKB > bash so that won't be best solution here mate .

bkb> bash? dafuq

bash  > all ( it works over bkb ofc)

About laning phase, many heroes can rape lycan on lane since he sux , but lets say bat/wr/invo or anything similar.

give me one best hero for each one .. what would u pick when u vs each one ?
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: LordDoom on November 09, 2012, 00:23
SNIPER....
owned huskar so many times :)
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: LordDoom on November 09, 2012, 00:25
stalker, u go for no. 1 on lader this season too?
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on November 09, 2012, 00:27
You mean 1v1 full items fight , or when you lane vs them on mid for example?

Or generally best counter?

Bash>both anyway.

well u can help me with both situations .. full items fight/ lane vs them in 1 vs 1 game.

BKB > bash so that won't be best solution here mate .

bkb> bash? dafuq

bash  > all ( it works over bkb ofc)

About laning phase, many heroes can rape lycan on lane since he sux , but lets say bat/wr/invo or anything similar.

give me one best hero for each one .. what would u pick when u vs each one ?

@lorddoom
no :)

Again, depends ... you can outlane lycan with pretty much anything, but vs huskar on lane isnt that 'easy' so you need something better, some hero with nice low-cd aoe spell which can spam shit out of husk.

About late game, with full items many heroes can rape husk, so as lycan (void, sylla, mort etc) , depends on items .

I don't get point of this question anyway, you want to play 1v1 -apom  vs those heroes or what?

stalker, u go for no. 1 on lader this season too?

nah
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: DatFace on November 09, 2012, 00:29
You mean 1v1 full items fight , or when you lane vs them on mid for example?

Or generally best counter?

Bash>both anyway.

that!
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: div.ide on November 09, 2012, 00:31
If you're playing 1v1 om, then I guess bane kills almost everything at pretty much every stage of game... Being only vulnerable to heavy pushers (thinking proly of brood).
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: _VendettA_ on November 09, 2012, 00:32
You mean 1v1 full items fight , or when you lane vs them on mid for example?

Or generally best counter?

Bash>both anyway.

well u can help me with both situations .. full items fight/ lane vs them in 1 vs 1 game.

BKB > bash so that won't be best solution here mate .

bkb> bash? dafuq

bash  > all ( it works over bkb ofc)

About laning phase, many heroes can rape lycan on lane since he sux , but lets say bat/wr/invo or anything similar.

give me one best hero for each one .. what would u pick when u vs each one ?

@lorddoom
no :)

Again, depends ... you can outlane lycan with pretty much anything, but vs huskar on lane isnt that 'easy' so you need something better, some hero with nice low-cd aoe spell which can spam shit out of husk.

About late game, with full items many heroes can rape husk, so as lycan (void, sylla, mort etc) , depends on items .

I don't get point of this question anyway, you want to play 1v1 -apom  vs those heroes or what?

stalker, u go for no. 1 on lader this season too?

nah

yeap ..  u say  some hero with nice low-cd aoe spell which can spam shit out of husk.

what would ur best pick would be for example ?come one give me one best pick mate.
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: _VendettA_ on November 09, 2012, 00:34
If you're playing 1v1 om, then I guess bane kills almost everything at pretty much every stage of game... Being only vulnerable to heavy pushers (thinking proly of brood).

hmm actually that's nice suggestion imo ..
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on November 09, 2012, 00:35
div.ide gave nice example, bane rapes both like np.

lich rapes both, krob rapes both, wr rapes both , skilled player with lina/puck/panda should be able to pwn aswell , brood rapes both , sylla rapes both, invoker ofc , zeus could do the job also... pick some , ofc there are  many more :)

I'd go for sf xD
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: _VendettA_ on November 09, 2012, 00:41
div.ide gave nice example, bane rapes both like np.

lich rapes both, krob rapes both, wr rapes both , skilled player with lina/puck/panda should be able to pwn aswell , brood rapes both , sylla rapes both, invoker ofc , zeus could do the job also... pick some , ofc there are  many more :)

I'd go for sf xD

great .. thx a lot mate^^

thx all .. btw vikiss long time no see welcome back  :D
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: LordDoom on November 09, 2012, 00:43

stalker, u go for no. 1 on lader this season too?

nah
[/quote]
cmon man, it will be boring season then... i want to rape u :D many times
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: Fairplay_ on November 09, 2012, 09:12
Any mele hero combined with basher can rape huskar lmid and late game easly (troll,ursa,lycan....)not to forget phontom(since cleave dont work on huskar just imagine hw much illusiones ..)
anyway in early game 1v1 mid or even lane any nukar(lina,even silencer and zeus can harrass huskar owfully)..
the point is that huskar is strong when he is low hp ,if he got disabled or nuked when he is low hp he is dead.

Abut lycan he is a late hero(early game its easy to counter him with any hero almost(exept techis :) ))
if he rish the late game u will need a late hero with better farm or its hard to kill him(espacially if he go for bkb+bash) exemple: balanar,troll,mort..

note:sniper cant counter huskar : he is too fragille early and late game.

Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: OspreY on November 09, 2012, 09:20
take all heroes vs husk,only buy bm and activate before his ult.husk dead RIP :D
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: glodar on November 09, 2012, 09:22
1v1    apom with full gold
go ursa (courier,3 poor mans,slipers,i branch,heal)
kill rosh before creeps gos...insta lvl 5/6 i dont remeber..
check rune (mby kill)  or farm
save for dager and rape..

ofc 1v1 apom with full gold its hard to find but when i see that
i go for 10 minutes of pure fan
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: glodar on November 09, 2012, 09:26
i forgot vladmir xD
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: div.ide on November 09, 2012, 09:28
Wid huskar has appeared!
Huskar activated BKB!
Huskar DEF sharply grows!
Allheroes uses Bladamail!
But it has no effect!
Huskar uses Life Break!
It is super effective!
Allheroes fainted!

That ursa thing used to have ~50% successs chance and was heavily dependant on roshan's early bashes, can't say now afer swipes buff though (never tried), but might be still risky. And yes, it's instant lvl5.
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: OspreY on November 09, 2012, 09:30
no man,bm has effect when bkb is activated.go prove it :D
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: glodar on November 09, 2012, 09:31
no man,bm has effect when bkb is activated.go prove it :D
xDDDDD hahahaha
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: glodar on November 09, 2012, 09:35
Wid huskar has appeared!
Huskar activated BKB!
Huskar DEF sharply grows!
Allheroes uses Bladamail!
But it has no effect!
Huskar uses Life Break!
It is super effective!
Allheroes fainted!

That ursa thing used to have ~50% successs chance and was heavily dependant on roshan's early bashes, can't say now afer swipes buff though (never tried), but might be still risky. And yes, it's instant lvl5.
nah man ursa can do that every time...
it was luck when hes spell was + 10 dmg but when he got +15 he can kill with items i posted rosh every time 100% tested
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: _VendettA_ on November 09, 2012, 10:15
Thx guys I got 2 more questions :

1. Is life steal or crystalys needed for wr when she vs Huskar,lycan and are those items have good effect with her ulti?

2. I am wondering which hero/items can stand a chance vs full items built void ? I mean any hero will have almost 20% chance to survive under his ulti even tho if he do.. He will die after max 5 sec after the ulti.
What do u think guys?
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: glodar on November 09, 2012, 10:23
imo wr with both lifesteal and buriza

about void...hmm...hard to say
mby slardar i dont know rly he need to have hp and armor to survive void ult but what after that need dmg and bash and lucky....1v1 with full items void very hard
syla with full items and bear with basher both  :D


Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: Shadow on November 09, 2012, 10:48
Well, about void it depends if he has mask of madness or he doesnt. Because if playing serious game, mom could be really dangerous.

I remember raping void using mom with slardar. Ulti, three hits with desolator and he died instantly. One lucky bash needed ofc ^^.

A personally prefer slardar as a hero 1vs1. -20 armor is really harmfull. And u can equip him with neccessary items. (for example MKB vs mort)
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: glodar on November 09, 2012, 10:58
Well, about void it depends if he has mask of madness or he doesnt. Because if playing serious game, mom could be really dangerous.

I remember raping void using mom with slardar. Ulti, three hits with desolator and he died instantly. One lucky bash needed ofc ^^.

A personally prefer slardar as a hero 1vs1. -20 armor is really harmfull. And u can equip him with neccessary items. (for example MKB vs mort)
agree in some parts but i dont think that void will have mom...if we talking about serious full build for orbs (mjolnir or satanic)

Also in list of potencial counters mby and Terrorblade ofc if he survive void ult then he can use hes ultimate...but everything is lucky...about bashes backtrack items coz i cant predict all items...hard,hard and hard
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: Shadow on November 09, 2012, 11:06
After all, I imagine contruction of dota as a circle. Nobody stands on the top, nobody stands on the bot.

There is wide spectrum of factors that u have to take into consideration and ist just impossible to predict the flow of specific situation.
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: glodar on November 09, 2012, 11:07
After all, I imagine contruction of dota as a circle. Nobody stands on the top, nobody stands on the bot.

There is wide spectrum of factors that u have to take into consideration and ist just impossible to predict the flow of specific situation.
+1 for this (after 1 hour ofc coz for last post u allrdy got  :)  )
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: vaikiss on November 09, 2012, 12:16
After all, I imagine contruction of dota as a circle. Nobody stands on the top, nobody stands on the bot.

There is wide spectrum of factors that u have to take into consideration and ist just impossible to predict the flow of specific situation.
invoker > all
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: Angel on November 09, 2012, 12:17
invoker > all

+1
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: vaikiss on November 09, 2012, 12:17
After all, I imagine contruction of dota as a circle. Nobody stands on the top, nobody stands on the bot.

There is wide spectrum of factors that u have to take into consideration and ist just impossible to predict the flow of specific situation.
invoker/tinker all cuz they have way too much disables combine that with some item disables and u get some instagib shiet  > all
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: [kosarkas] on November 09, 2012, 19:23
I was reading and until i got to the last page i was thinking why no1 wrote tinker :D or he sliped by...

anyways tinker vs huskar is a nobrainer he ulties you laser him and its gg and if he has bkb you will probably have more items due to your BoT farming around the map and being able to gank better than husk...

And vs full build void you just need to time your spells correctly like if you have full build destroyer you just astral urself in time and void is dead

Anyways you just cant make these assumptions like this, if a good team is playing they wont let void get farmed

So many factors depend, makeing this worhless to discuss...

Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: vaikiss on November 09, 2012, 19:30
i misss old good times when there was no ghost scepters force staffs and other shit and when u could solo win with abit overfed carry :/
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: _VendettA_ on November 09, 2012, 23:11
I was reading and until i got to the last page i was thinking why no1 wrote tinker :D or he sliped by...

anyways tinker vs huskar is a nobrainer he ulties you laser him and its gg and if he has bkb you will probably have more items due to your BoT farming around the map and being able to gank better than husk...

And vs full build void you just need to time your spells correctly like if you have full build destroyer you just astral urself in time and void is dead

Anyways you just cant make these assumptions like this, if a good team is playing they wont let void get farmed

So many factors depend, makeing this worhless to discuss...

did u read the 1st post ? i said 1 v 1 no team no 1 to help.. destroyer has no chance if void or lycan has BKB .. think about it.
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: [kosarkas] on November 10, 2012, 00:20
Ok destro can pwn them 1v1 lane and not let them farm or lvlup and at lvl 6 kill for sure... And why wouldnt he have a chance? He needs dagger and euls,and lothars would be helpfull also, and the bkb will run out then hex and gg...
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: NonStopWeed on November 10, 2012, 10:26
1v1 NAIX AND HUSKAR - FULL ITEM - LUXURY = Huskar falls on ground
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: Rocka on November 10, 2012, 17:09
invoker overrated
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: maciekg9-slaveofBart on November 11, 2012, 19:23
I would rape both with magnus.
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: BOGROKI on November 11, 2012, 19:53
best hero troll pwns all
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: Mamba on November 11, 2012, 20:22
Void can fuck them up easily, troll also.
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: dRagoLjuB on November 11, 2012, 20:23
there isnt a "xxx hero can pwn all"

at void if u see him casting ulty just cast euls on your self and ulty = waste
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: _VendettA_ on November 11, 2012, 20:32
there isnt a "xxx hero can pwn all"

at void if u see him casting ulty just cast euls on your self and ulty = waste

casting ? it takes like 1ms to press the ulti on the area that u are in.. also if he makes BF then it's gg.

i am not saying void>all heroes i am just asking and pls don't tell me invoker .. in late void can kill him with 2 hits with CC.
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on November 11, 2012, 20:34
there isnt a "xxx hero can pwn all"

at void if u see him casting ulty just cast euls on your self and ulty = waste

casting ? it takes like 1ms to press the ulti on the area that u are in.. also if he makes BF then it's gg.

i am not saying void>all heroes i am just asking and pls don't tell me invoker .. in late void can kill him with 2 hits with CC.

Actually , its not so hard to evade void's ulti with euls.

Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: Astaroth on November 11, 2012, 22:33
there isnt a "xxx hero can pwn all"

at void if u see him casting ulty just cast euls on your self and ulty = waste

casting ? it takes like 1ms to press the ulti on the area that u are in.. also if he makes BF then it's gg.

i am not saying void>all heroes i am just asking and pls don't tell me invoker .. in late void can kill him with 2 hits with CC.

Actually , its not so hard to evade void's ulti with euls.
I myself did it with CM. I still remember Void's reaction: "lol bug"  ;D
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on November 11, 2012, 22:58
there isnt a "xxx hero can pwn all"

at void if u see him casting ulty just cast euls on your self and ulty = waste

casting ? it takes like 1ms to press the ulti on the area that u are in.. also if he makes BF then it's gg.

i am not saying void>all heroes i am just asking and pls don't tell me invoker .. in late void can kill him with 2 hits with CC.

Actually , its not so hard to evade void's ulti with euls.
I myself did it with CM. I still remember Void's reaction: "lol bug"  ;D

hahahahaha  ;D
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: shpura on November 12, 2012, 17:59
best hero troll pwns all

gl with panda
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: ProxyMN on November 13, 2012, 17:43
Hi all ..
I want your opinions about those two heroes (lycan and huskar)
My question is what's the best anti picks for those two and by that I mean (1 v 1)
Pls don't spam with useless replays ..

Give me the best answers guys ..thx ^^
Shadowdemon
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: BOGROKI on November 15, 2012, 13:46
best hero troll pwns all

gl with panda

man full items troll > full items panda PERIOD  only void can kill troll if he gets lucky in chronosfere...after that he is down too
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: joyjoy on November 15, 2012, 14:40
disruptor -> wisp or furi...best returns ever :D
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: dulovic on November 28, 2012, 21:50
 how about slardar if he gets the proper build he cant be stoped and naix also :D
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: shpura on November 29, 2012, 14:57
how about slardar if he gets the proper build he cant be stoped and naix also :D

Joke?
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: dRagoLjuB on November 29, 2012, 16:07
pudge + carry > all
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: glodar on December 06, 2012, 07:27
i just found this site  http://dotaedge.com/   have some good anti-picks/avoid-pick suggestions
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: _VendettA_ on December 06, 2012, 08:51
i just found this site  http://dotaedge.com/   have some good anti-picks/avoid-pick suggestions

i actually like it . what do u think guys? NS ?
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: ColdWorld on December 06, 2012, 08:54
Not bad at all :D Just sometimes it shows 30 anti picks XD
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: div.ide on December 06, 2012, 11:01
Picked DS Enigma TA TS Sven -> fuckton of suppposedly easy counters, with counter rating up to almost 11.

Picked FV PA Spectre SK Lancer -> few counters, 4.71 highest rating
(Aviod picking: CM)

Kinda pub-oriented algorithm :D

E:
Replaced Lancer with Riki, now that shit looks almost uncounterable, avoid picking list longer than good counters :D

E2:
They really need more stats data for it to work :P
Counter this!
(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1056/countersc.png)
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: _VendettA_ on December 06, 2012, 11:36
Picked DS Enigma TA TS Sven -> fuckton of suppposedly easy counters, with counter rating up to almost 11.

Picked FV PA Spectre SK Lancer -> few counters, 4.71 highest rating
(Aviod picking: CM)

Kinda pub-oriented algorithm :D

E:
Replaced Lancer with Riki, now that shit looks almost uncounterable, avoid picking list longer than good counters :D

E2:
They really need more stats data for it to work :P
Counter this!
(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1056/countersc.png)

when finally i felt so good when i found a system which tells me what's the best counter attacks ..

div.ide counter attacks my damn feelings with something that i did not understand --_____--
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: div.ide on December 06, 2012, 12:06
The system ain't bad itself, problem is - they use some statistics to calculate the odds. If you check more closely, they had (so far) next to no submissions, hence lacking proper data to work with.
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: _VendettA_ on December 06, 2012, 12:24
The system ain't bad itself, problem is - they use some statistics to calculate the odds. If you check more closely, they had (so far) next to no submissions, hence lacking proper data to work with.

ook ?  so last question do u think it's good for use or i should rely on ''NS System'' ?
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: div.ide on December 06, 2012, 12:35
What do you mean by NS system?

This site can definitely be helpful, but to really get reliable, it first need some solid amount of user input, which may or may not come.
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: _VendettA_ on December 06, 2012, 13:21
What do you mean by NS system?

This site can definitely be helpful, but to really get reliable, it first need some solid amount of user input, which may or may not come.

''night^^stalker system  :D

i think u are right it has lack of data input from user . i changed my opinion about it to be honest .
cause i tried lycan and he suggested disruptor and enchantress  :P
in main time axe >> trax /viper/ lifestealer . imo it's good
but as u said still need some work.
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: brad_hawk on March 13, 2013, 10:11
Eredar > Huskar
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: Bart on March 13, 2013, 13:46
troll warlord> all
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: shpura on March 13, 2013, 18:24
^ true. he's a beast
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: Bart on March 13, 2013, 23:34
void fucks everyone with refresher
why refresher ? bcs if he misses first one he has another one
buahahhaha
thats bronhi's strat XD
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: iNevermore on March 14, 2013, 12:07
Well since the new nerubian assassis has modified 3rd skill I would go for him against huskar low build.
When huskar going to ulti u use 3rd skill.. u will take no dmg stunning him and dealing dmg equal to his ulti... then just impale him and kill.

That works, tested it few days ago against low builded huskar with no bkb.
I tell you, he was mad I was doing that :D
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: shpura on March 14, 2013, 20:13
People underestimate nerub, at least hero on la. One does not simply win mid vs nerub.
Title: Re: Best anti picks
Post by: Bart on March 14, 2013, 23:19
People underestimate nerub, at least hero on la. One does not simply win mid vs nerub.
on ihrl they dont, they insta ban when bart in game :D