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Title: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: Platin on June 22, 2012, 23:46


-- We all know that everyone must activate account at least once in a month. Activation must be by e-mail not with account name and password. Simply it can be  like first activation with link. If mh users get ban; its ok they have at least 10 more accounts. I am sure that they are geting "fake" mail which is for only signing up to eurobattle.net. After a while they forget even e-mail adress i think...

i know this can not stop mh users but at least getting thousand accounts can be harder a little bit. They will have to memorize which one was with which account..


OR

-- Geting account can be with invitation from players who have account for at least 3 months and this players can earn 1 invitation every 1 month.. It means less player but better games..


it's really annoying. In game i am saying "you are reported" then he says: "i dont give a shit, i have 20 more accounts" So i think getting accounts must be harder. With this case geting banned would be more effective and accounts would be more valuable.


Theese are just some ideas against hack-users.. What is your opinion ?


Regards..
Title: Re: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: SnoopDoggie on June 23, 2012, 00:01
Cool idea, but if u want that, you should have posted it on official eurobattle.net forums...

Cuz u know, u have to make acc there, not on pd xD

:P
Title: Re: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: ColdWorld on June 23, 2012, 00:07
http://176.9.26.177/forum/index.php/topic,101717.0.html
Title: Re: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: Platin on June 23, 2012, 00:20
Cool idea, but if u want that, you should have posted it on official eurobattle.net forums...

Cuz u know, u have to make acc there, not on pd xD

:P 




it came to my mind first i would write it to eurobattle.net forum but i check it whats written under "Feedback" part of this forum. Also i wanted to learn your opinions..


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good ideas too; but you said 1 pc-> 1 account. You are wrong about this point. I have homemates who are playing dota too. Sometimes they are playing with my pc. Also what about internet cafes + with this idea every players must be selfish about sharing pc. what if my brothers play dota too ?? :)
Title: Re: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: ColdWorld on June 23, 2012, 00:31
Thats not our problem.  ::) Kill brother, kill mates. Play dota 4ever alone  :P
Title: Re: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: pHu^^thAi on June 23, 2012, 08:04

good ideas too; but you said 1 pc-> 1 account.

u mean like dotalicious sistem,where is allowed to use 2,3 acounts on a single pc if u announce u have brothers also playing.
Title: Re: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: baja_cro on June 23, 2012, 10:33
bad idea ... u cant join with your acc from playground and from home ..
Title: Re: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: Astaroth on June 23, 2012, 15:11
-- We all know that everyone must activate account at least once in a month. Activation must be by e-mail not with account name and password. Simply it can be  like first activation with link. If mh users get ban; its ok they have at least 10 more accounts. I am sure that they are geting "fake" mail which is for only signing up to eurobattle.net. After a while they forget even e-mail adress i think...
This isn't solution imo, it is easy to open Excel and write acc | mail | something else maybe

-- Geting account can be with invitation from players who have account for at least 3 months and this players can earn 1 invitation every 1 month.. It means less player but better games..
Quite interesting idea. You would have to exclude banned acc from getting "invitation powers" ofc, but still there are MHers with XXX (no porn here) non banned accs so they would invite themselfs...
Title: Re: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: Platin on June 23, 2012, 18:53
-- We all know that everyone must activate account at least once in a month. Activation must be by e-mail not with account name and password. Simply it can be  like first activation with link. If mh users get ban; its ok they have at least 10 more accounts. I am sure that they are geting "fake" mail which is for only signing up to eurobattle.net. After a while they forget even e-mail adress i think...
This isn't solution imo, it is easy to open Excel and write acc | mail | something else maybe

-- Geting account can be with invitation from players who have account for at least 3 months and this players can earn 1 invitation every 1 month.. It means less player but better games..
Quite interesting idea. You would have to exclude banned acc from getting "invitation powers" ofc, but still there are MHers with XXX (no porn here) non banned accs so they would invite themselfs...


For first idea: I didnt say it a solution certainly.. I thought its obvious that i meant if they would do it now. I am prety sure current  MH users who have thousand accounts forgot even  their e-mail adress.. So at least it could eliminate some mh users..


About second way: Yes maybe you are right every mh users would invite themself. I thougt this and that is the why i said you earn 1 invitation every 1 month. Actually you gave good idea: For example i invited someone and he used mh. Also i get banned because player who got account by me.. (I know this can be cruel but with being guarantor this way can be stronger )
Title: Re: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: Astaroth on June 23, 2012, 20:33
First of all I can't imagine this invitation system would work coz "who gives a f*ck for some random new nabs". New guys (or ppl with new acc) would spam others to invite them and big % of ppl here would ignore them.
If you would ban a person who invited MHer no1 would invite some random guys...
Title: Re: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: [kosarkas] on June 23, 2012, 21:36
First off all this is XPAM! Second there will be less and less games... The best way would be if some1 could come up with a mh checking system that is 100% accurate and to sepparate the mhers from clean players for example you have mh and you create a game that allows mh, and in lobby you can see if the game allows mh or it doesn't, now some ppl will create mh games and probably whole 10 players will have mh, so there is no advantage to any1, and you will have clean games for clean players and ppl with mh could not enter mh clean games due to mh detection...this will in the end lead to mh free games and every1 will stop using mh cause they will not have any fun playing with mh against ppl that also have mh...you get what I'm saying?


Basicly let users have mh in mh games and they will in the end get bored by this, delete mh and start playing clean games...Mhers will clean themselves out! :))


Mby add a new bot that allows mh and separate it from "playdota.eu" so some1 could not pump up stats in mh games and then start playing clean games and ruin every game due to high PSR!

My longish post on your longer post! ;)
Title: Re: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: FU I am PeNGuiN on June 23, 2012, 21:59
i am pretty sure that every new idea is a little step forward in war against mhers so just keep it coming
Title: Re: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: Platin on June 23, 2012, 23:59
First off all this is XPAM! Second there will be less and less games... The best way would be if some1 could come up with a mh checking system that is 100% accurate and to sepparate the mhers from clean players for example you have mh and you create a game that allows mh, and in lobby you can see if the game allows mh or it doesn't, now some ppl will create mh games and probably whole 10 players will have mh, so there is no advantage to any1, and you will have clean games for clean players and ppl with mh could not enter mh clean games due to mh detection...this will in the end lead to mh free games and every1 will stop using mh cause they will not have any fun playing with mh against ppl that also have mh...you get what I'm saying?


Basicly let users have mh in mh games and they will in the end get bored by this, delete mh and start playing clean games...Mhers will clean themselves out! :))


Mby add a new bot that allows mh and separate it from "playdota.eu" so some1 could not pump up stats in mh games and then start playing clean games and ruin every game due to high PSR!

My longish post on your longer post! ;)

ofc we would wish some system which works for detecting mh user.

Actually its so hard but not impossible. Imagine: bot is searching for "change section in fog" with replay then player will get banned automaticly just after the game. Coding must be hard for this way... But still its not certain solution; what if player doesnt fog-click ?



i am pretty sure that every new idea is a little step forward in war against mhers so just keep it coming


ofcourse man; you are right. "Producting new ideas" is the best first step for this way..
Title: Re: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: Rio^ on June 24, 2012, 00:08
Yep thats good idea for some guys, but I know guy who have pasted it in notebook, all accounts.
Account, Email, Passwords. And there is about 500 or more accounts.

The only good idea is : You have to need forum and ingame account together, and your psr wont raise, untill you register on forum, and take something like iccup anti hack tool. After that they will have more forum activity and I'm pretty shure , that all guys playing for psr, mostly all.

But u need coders, money, and lots of others stuff, so thats something they wont do it , and there will be always hackers, not only here, in almost every game.
Title: Re: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: kingW3 on June 24, 2012, 00:30
There are but they could at least reduce the number to be equal to non-mh players.Anyway there are solutions like eb gproxy,ip ban,they could even create a application that would deny any other program interfere with w3.They won't get rid of all mhers but most of them will
Title: Re: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: tayyip on July 03, 2012, 11:14
I support any idea to make MHer spend more effort to use MH :) I also posted an idea but this sounds better.

A simple trick like "at least 50 games played or 3 months account -> senior player" will make dota more safer.

Something like:
!min 1500
You should say:
!game 50
!month 2 (since first playdota game)


and host can kick new accounts.
Title: Re: MH can be solved a bit
Post by: shpura on July 03, 2012, 23:34
its just a simpler version of !sd every player then kick
iccup and dotalicious have very good stuff (account approval, antihack)