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Title: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: ek0 on July 02, 2010, 22:03

As discussed in this topic (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,4402.0.html), I think guides by the players can be created.
So I will start posting topics like this one. Every week I will post a new topic with a new hero. Every member can suggest item build, skill build, gameplay... (and other). I will edit the first post with the best suggestions.
The next hero will be Destroyer.

(http://playdota.eu/forum/avatars/heroes/U00P.gif) Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger

Stats (#post_stats)
Hero introduction (#post_intro)
Background Story (#post_story)
Skills (#post_skills)
- Arcane Orb (#post_skills_1)
- Astral Imprisonment (#post_skills_2)
- Essence Aura (#post_skills_3)
- Sanity's Eclipse (#post_skills_4)
When to? (#post_when)
- When to pick Destroyer (#post_when_pick)
- When to repick Destroyer (#post_when_repick)
- When to ban Destroyer (#post_when_ban)
Skill build (#post_skill_build)
Item build (#post_item_build)
Gameplay (5 vs 5) (#post_gameplay)
- From level 1 to level 5 (#post_gameplay_1-5)
- From level 6 to level 10 (#post_gameplay_6-10)
- From level 11 to level 15 (#post_gameplay_11-15)
- From level 16 to level 25 (#post_gameplay_16-25)
Changelog (#post_changelog)

Stats

	At level 1	At level 25	Gain per level
Strength	19	63.4	1.85
Agility	24	72	2
Intelligence	26	93.2	2.8
Damage	49 - 64	116 - 131
Armor	5	12

Location	Intelligence Scourge Midnight Tavern
Movespeed	300
Attack range	450
Sight Range	1800 / 800

Hero introduction
Among the small number of intelligence heroes who focus on getting a lot of powerful items late in the game, the Obsidian Destroyer relies on building up as much intelligence and mana as he possibly can. His deadly Arcane Orb enhances his attacks with large amounts of unresistable pure damage, and if his mana pool gets high enough the Obsidian Destroyer is capable of killing fragile enemies with only a few Arcane Orb attacks. Astral Prison is a useful ability, which can put a powerful enemy hero out of the fight or save an ally from death. In addition, it drains intelligence when cast on an enemy hero, and by repeatedly using this ability the Obsidian Destroyer can quickly reduce the enemies' mana pool, making it difficult for them to cast many spells. To keep both his own and his allies' mana pools full, the Obsidian Destroyer has a passive skill called Essence Aura. In addition to boosting the Destroyer's own mana pool, this aura gives any allied unit under its effect a chance to instantly regain a portion of their total mana pool every time they cast a spell. Essence Aura fuels Arcane Orb, giving the Destroyer potent damage with little risk of running dry. Although Arcane Orb and Astral Prison make the Destroyer deadly in small engagements, his powerful Sanity's Eclipse spell can turn the tide of large battles. An Obsidian Destroyer with a lot of intelligence items can kill or badly wound several enemy heroes at once with this spell. Few heroes are capable of putting out as much damage as a pumped up Obsidian Destroyer.
Background Story
An obsidian construct brought to life through the ill conceived necromancy of the Lich King, Harbinger craves magic to make up for the emptiness brought on by the incomplete nature of its summoning. Ironically however, to devour the magic that it so desires, Harbinger must tap into his own pool of mana time and time again, expending to the point where it ends up with even less than it began with. Yet despite this, the Obsidian Destroyer is a proud servant of the Undead Scourge, and takes great pleasure in annihilating the foolish Sentinels it encounters through psionic exploitation.

Skills

(http://media.playdota.com/hero/70/skill-0.jpg) Arcane Orb
Type: Active

Quote

Gives the Destroyer extra power to damage his enemies based on his remaining mana pool. Damage type is pure.

Casting Range: 450. Mana cost: 100.

Level	Cooldown	% of damage (based on Destroyer's mana)	Damage to summoned units
1	6	6	100
2	4	7	200
3	2	8	300
4	0	9	400

Deals pure damage. Does not stack with orb effects and buff placers.

(http://media.playdota.com/hero/70/skill-1.jpg) Astral Imprisonment
Type: Active

Quote

Teleports a target allied or enemy hero into an astral prison. The hero remains separated from the real world for the duration of the spell. If cast on an enemy, Harbinger steals intelligence from the target. Intelligence is restored to the hero after 60 seconds.

Casting Range: 550. Targets heroes.

Level	Mana Cost	Cooldown	Duration	Intelligence exchange
1	120	18	1	2
2	140	16	2	4
3	160	14	3	6
4	180	12	4	8

If the target is an enemy, it will lose sight. If the target is an ally, intelligence won't exchanged.

(http://media.playdota.com/hero/70/skill-2.jpg) Essence Aura
Type: Passive

Quote

Whenever a nearby allied hero casts a spell, it has a chance to restore 25% of its mana pool. Passively adds to the Destroyer's base mana pool.

Area of Effect: 1000.

Level	Chance to restore mana (%)	Mana increasment
1	10	75
2	20	150
3	30	225
4	40	300

Some skills will not activate Essence Aura.

(http://media.playdota.com/hero/70/skill-3.jpg) Sanity's Eclipse
Type: Active

Quote

The Obsidian Destroyer unleashes his full potential; his mind unleashes a psionic storm able to penetrate lesser minds with terminal force, dealing massive damage to them. More crafty minds are able to resist most of the damage, but they expend most of their energies to do so, losing 75% of their mana. Heroes with more intelligence than the Destroyer are unaffected.

Cooldown: 160

Level	Mana Cost	Casting range	Area of Effect	Damage (based on the difference between heroes intelligence and Destroyer's intelligence)	Units, that take less damage are with 'crafty minds'
1	175	600	400	8x	80
2	250	650	500	9x	270
3	325	700	600	10x	500

Deals magic damage.

When to...
When to pick Destroyer
Nothing written, yet!
When to repick Destroyer
Nothing written, yet!
When to ban Destroyer
Nothing written, yet!

Skills build
Nothing written, yet!
Item build
Nothing written, yet!

Gameplay (5 vs 5)
From level 1 to level 5
Nothing written, yet!
From level 6 to level 10
Nothing written, yet!
From level 11 to level 15
Nothing written, yet!
From level 16 to level 25
Nothing written, yet!

Changelog:
2010-07-02: The first post.

Some pictures are from the Official DotA Website (http://www.playdota.com/).

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: Shagon on July 06, 2010, 16:58

Fount an error :

Quote

Cgangelog:

Just wanted you to know

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: x[]o^GossipGirl on July 06, 2010, 17:00

Quote from: Shagon on July 06, 2010, 16:58

Fount an error :
Quote
Cgangelog:
Just wanted you to know

This is spam? ffs man you reported me for spamming the forum and u post these replays ?

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: PlayDota.eu08 on July 06, 2010, 17:13

xD u 2 are better spammers than me :(((

01 July 2010, 14:52:37
Local Time:
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Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: x[]o^GossipGirl on July 06, 2010, 17:20

Quote from: PlayDota.eu08 on July 06, 2010, 17:13

xD u 2 are better spammers than me :(((

01 July 2010, 14:52:37
Local Time:
06 July 2010, 16:12:45

144 (28.800 per day)

ohhhh now I have to spam again here...man he reported me and its denied cuz i never spam...just playing "music quiz" and other games in offtopic...check where i am most active,about 120 posts are in offtopic so ;) fuck it ;)

however w8 for eko to finish the strategy ;)

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: ek0 on July 06, 2010, 17:33

Quote from: x[]o^GossipGirl on July 06, 2010, 17:20

ohhhh now I have to spam again here...man he reported me and its denied cuz i never spam...just playing "music quiz" and other games in offtopic...check where i am most active,about 120 posts are in offtopic so ;) fuck it ;)

however w8 for eko to finish the strategy ;)

Doesn't look like 120: Link (http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=6599).

Anyway, I can't finish the guides if there are no ideas...

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: x[]o^GossipGirl on July 06, 2010, 17:35

I thought off topic is consist of "flame room,humor and the "normal" offtopic" but however 120 posts arent in a relationship with dota ? :D

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: ek0 on July 09, 2010, 21:19

Anyone?
Suggest a skill build and item build atleast.

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: PlayDota.eu08 on July 10, 2010, 21:39

des. is imba hero >)

1. Astral Imprisonment
2. Essence Aura
3. Astral Imprisonment
4. Essence Aura
5. Astral Imprisonment
6. Sanity's Eclipse
7. Essence Aura
8. Arcane Orb
9. Arcane Orb
10. Arcane Orb
11. Arcane Orb
12. Sanity's Eclipse
13.Essence Aura
14. Astral Imprisonment
15. Stats
16. Sanity's Eclipse
17-25. Stats

items :
travel boots
shiva
orchied
linken
hex
baterfly

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: theNoobie on July 19, 2010, 08:55

^ bad

Rushing travels makes you the squishiest hero ever

Getting str treads and guinsoo first (for the +20 str from ultimate orb and treads is good enough) then shivas for the armor is his core. BKB before guinsoo is situational.

Switch treads to int before casting ult as well

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: theNoobie on July 19, 2010, 08:56

I don't know how to edit my posts (Sorry) but I would like to add that that is the best skillbuild for OD

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: ramb.O on July 19, 2010, 09:08

Quote from: PlayDota.eu08 on July 06, 2010, 17:13

xD u 2 are better spammers than me :(((
01 July 2010, 14:52:37
Local Time:
06 July 2010, 16:12:45
144 (28.800 per day)

Dude... ffs

Quote from: ek0

Some skills will not activate Essence Aura.

Anyone know which are these skills?
I think mine (techies) dont work with aura, few days ago i played it + destro in same lane.. i believe dont work (or only bad luck?)

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: ek0 on July 19, 2010, 12:53

Quote from: ramb.O on July 19, 2010, 09:08

Anyone know which are these skills?
I think mine (techies) dont work with aura, few days ago i played it + destro in same lane.. i believe dont work (or only bad luck?)

Maybe Puck's Phase Shift. Or N'aix' Rage?

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: victornkc on July 21, 2010, 02:58

http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=394651 (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=394651)

destroyer pawning in a losing & feeding team xD

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: theNoobie on July 21, 2010, 05:49

Point of posting that replay?

OD is one of the best carrys and can easily destroy other carrys late game

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: Natura Sonoris on August 06, 2010, 04:11

Quote from: PlayDota.eu08 on July 10, 2010, 21:39

des. is imba hero >)

1. Astral Imprisonment
2. Essence Aura
3. Astral Imprisonment
4. Essence Aura
5. Astral Imprisonment
6. Sanity's Eclipse
7. Essence Aura
8. Arcane Orb
9. Arcane Orb
10. Arcane Orb
11. Arcane Orb
12. Sanity's Eclipse
13.Essence Aura
14. Astral Imprisonment
15. Stats
16. Sanity's Eclipse
17-25. Stats

items :
travel boots
shiva
orchied
linken
hex
baterfly

fail mega...boost aracane and aura than astral ..items -hex fisrt shiva,hand of midas or assault corias blood stone or hot,orchird ,scepter now,refresher s imba also if u have strong ultimate...suggested for late game for easy triple,ultra,rampage kills

Beggining otem...as much int as posiible...pt on int and 3 nulls :)

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: T.I.L on August 06, 2010, 09:49

aracane and corias his imba otem. wyh?

becoused hets DPS end mana! (hiperstuned)

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: theNoobie on August 06, 2010, 14:14

The 2 people above me don't speak english

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: T.I.L on August 06, 2010, 14:17

me fight jou 1v1 at TOIEC and TOEFL when jou wants ok? unvouch jou if loust

if me loust me kissed SHNEIDERLORD on mouf

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: Natura Sonoris on August 06, 2010, 18:07

Quote from: T.I.L on August 06, 2010, 09:49

aracane and corias his imba otem. wyh?

becoused hets DPS end mana! (hiperstuned)

Again fail it is waste of money...you get better stats from buying power treads on int and atack speed ...arcane boots is hit of od...he has regen mana aura and wasting 1500 to buy mana and mana refresh...power treads for same money gives mana,boost your ultimate , etc,etc

My keypad is wireless so it bugs most of the time and that is reason why i write bad but i do know english good

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: theNoobie on August 06, 2010, 18:47

Agreed, with your aura, you will almost never run out of mana. Arcane boots is a waste of money and is better spent on treads on travels.

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: vaikiss on August 22, 2010, 23:20

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: joyjoy on August 23, 2010, 21:23

best skill build

1. Astral Imprisonment
2. Essence Aura
3. Astral Imprisonment
4. Essence Aura
5. Astral Imprisonment
6. Essence Aura OR Sanity's Eclipse
7. Astral Imprisonment
8. Essence Aura OR Sanity's Eclipse
9. Essence Aura OR Sanity's Eclipse
10. Arcane Orb
11. Sanity's Eclipse
12-14. Arcane Orb
15. Stats
16. Sanity's Eclipse
17-25. Stats

core items > threads, nulls,guinso / optional shiva,linken,orchid

agree with vaikis, its the best build, and these items give harbi enough mana to spam, maxing astral help dominate the lane and stop from enemies casting spells, best some lowmanapool str with stun, with steal int you can harass them better and with essence you can spam it freely, arcane is too expansive to spam from early game, and in team fight ulti frst it cause nice dmg but whats nicer that empty enemies manapools and fight is over(OFC f+++ing Pugna is laughing :D )

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: [A]-[L]-[I]-[N] on August 28, 2010, 20:15

Since it's empty, I can give you a suggestion that is 100% true and it should be so in anyone's opinion:
Repick obsidian when you fight bambi or nukers, this hero is higly fragile because:
_____you DON'T want to buy lifesteal, Since you got the best orb effect after ursa's.
_____you DON'T want to buy strength, you prefer concentrate on intellect.

And your high damage (even with the free divine rapier like dmg in late game) is useless when you practicly CAN'T ATTACK with -80%...

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: vaikiss on September 01, 2010, 01:20

lol this hero is ain't fragile at all if u got well pick couple disablers 1 mass stun or atleast normal stun and 1 decent tank to go get damage while harbringer get oportunity to take out enemies with ulti

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: XxX[Muerto]XxX on September 01, 2010, 18:42

Astral and aura in begin,later (when astral is lvl 4 and aura lvl 3 ) you can start lvl up Arcane Orb.

About item build:

PT intell ofc, 2 talismans then HEX and then the best part come>>>SCEPTER.You get hp,inteligence AND GIGA SUPER ULTI.Then you won.

ps : If you have noob team and still didn't win then go dagger,shiva,even bs or silence, depends...

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: vaikiss on September 02, 2010, 08:57

aghanim ain't that good on destro tho its only 14x int and w/o scepter its 12x so imo scepter should be like last item unless ur playing vs lots of low base int heros

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: XxX[Muerto]XxX on September 02, 2010, 15:18

Vaikis,dude,i dont know is it 14x or 17 or 144x i just know when i use ulti i get ultra or rampage.xD
So scepter must be imba !!!

Title: Re: Unfinished :: Obsidian Destroyer - Harbinger
Post by: Teh_102 on September 02, 2010, 23:38

lol couse u play xpam pubs only :D