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Title: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: Confused-o_O- on April 22, 2021, 12:41
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6380658

    The behavior below is the sort of thing that I think should not be allowed. I included a very small amount of this player's stacking behavior because this process is time consuming.
    In my opinion there are 10-15 players that have the same kind of behavior that have forced hundreds of players to leave the server.
    In the past the players had the option to leave the lobby but now when there are only 1-2 games in the lobby you either will have to wait 30-60min to join other lobby or be forced to play these joke games. These hosts take advantage of the small amount of games in the lobby.
Thus suggestions as the one below are not applicable most of the time. Hosting a new game when there are 50-60 players online during many hours of the day is not possible.
Quote
Guys you are overcomplicating things, while its as simple as: Host your own game and play the way you like.



No locks in the top team were added in case some of them were friends, even though often he locks good players top that he doesnt even know.
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6252945
02:42   TooShade   !balance
02:46   TooShade   !sp
02:56   TooShade   !Lock tes        (locked feeder bot)
02:57   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u (spam to hide stacking)
03:10   TooShade   !Lock pal (locked feeder bot)
03:10   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u (spam to hide stacking)
04:56   TooShade   !Lock java (locked feeder bot)
04:56   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u (spam to hide stacking)


http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6252624
00:23   TooShade   !balance
00:51   TooShade   !Lock dark (locked feeder bot)
00:52   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
01:10   TooShade   !Balance
01:16   TooShade   !Lock cd(locked feeder bot)
01:16   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
01:53   TooShade   !balance
01:56   TooShade   !lock more(locked feeder bot)
01:56   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
.......... and the stacking continues


http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6252545
06:44   TooShade   !Lock dav(locked feeder bot)
06:44   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
08:37   TooShade   !Lock gom(locked feeder bot)
08:37   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
08:47   TooShade   !Lock 3az(locked feeder bot)
08:47   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
08:53      3az3az has left the game.
09:37   TooShade   !Lock 3az(locked feeder bot)
09:37   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
09:55   TooShade   !Lock 01(locked feeder bot)
09:55   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
.......... and the stacking continues


http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6251259
01:46   TooShade   !lock sco(locked feeder bot)
01:46   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
01:49   TooShade   !Lock si(locked feeder bot)
01:49   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)



http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6251075
04:22      [pietruch] PSR: 1548 games: 1158 W/L: 3/0
04:22      H. K/D/A 1.33/5.33/8.67 C. K/D/N 222.67/5.67/141.67
04:24   TooShade   !Lock pie (Lock feeder player bot)


http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6251051
02:25      [nihal_kotar] PSR: 1440 games: 781 W/L: 14/16
02:25      H. K/D/A 4.53/9.00/12.90 C. K/D/N 84.13/3.43/22.63
02:30   TooShade   !lock kot(locked feeder bot)
02:30   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
05:03   TooShade   !Lock salo(locked feeder bot)
05:03   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
06:08   TooShade   !Lock giub(locked feeder bot)
06:08   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
06:37   TooShade   !lock has(locked feeder bot)
06:37   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)



http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6251874
01:46   TooShade   !Lock ras(locked feeder bot)
01:46   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
06:42   TooShade   !Lock dra(locked feeder bot)
06:42   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
08:42   TooShade   !Lock iron(locked feeder bot)
08:42   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)



http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6250002
01:06   TooShade   !Lock moz(locked feeder bot)
01:06   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
01:30   TooShade   !lock -[ (locked feeder bot)
01:30   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
01:54   TooShade   !swap 4 8
01:54   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u
01:57   TooShade   !Lock _sk(locked feeder bot)
01:57   TooShade   !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)


I strongly believe that action should be taken to stop those few players that are stacking excessively.

Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: TooShade on April 22, 2021, 14:04
It's old, and noone cares about your post.
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: luke on April 22, 2021, 18:11
(https://media.makeameme.org/created/you-were-supposed-b406186d10.jpg)
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: territory23 on April 22, 2021, 23:01
I got a topic about stacking and almost everyone accepted that stacking ruins the game.

There are sanctions for situations that means ruining of the game and I wonder why we still do not have a rule about stacking. Updating rules document has to be easy...

btw, we can have a poll to see if the community supports stacking or not.   
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: luke on April 22, 2021, 23:52
I got a topic about stacking and almost everyone accepted that stacking ruins the game.

There are sanctions for situations that means ruining of the game and I wonder why we still do not have a rule about stacking. Updating rules document has to be easy...

btw, we can have a poll to see if the community supports stacking or not.

creat
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: territory23 on April 23, 2021, 01:26
No, to make it work admins need to create it.
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: AGENT on April 23, 2021, 01:50
No, to make it work admins need to create it.
No.
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: .SaLiH. on April 23, 2021, 12:30
I got a topic about stacking and almost everyone accepted that stacking ruins the game.

There are sanctions for situations that means ruining of the game and I wonder why we still do not have a rule about stacking. Updating rules document has to be easy...

btw, we can have a poll to see if the community supports stacking or not.
Then I am one of them who disagrees with the idea. I think playing against stacked team is a challenge and sometimes it becomes very cool game to play compared to normal RD 1600++ PRoOoOo games. (I have to mention that even those players who stack, sucks so it doesn't make any difference to me xd)

As about giving sanction for stacking. Idk, I am not aware of such rule in any kind of game, not only in MOBA.

I am kindly inviting you to deer your opponents !
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: Happy.. on April 23, 2021, 15:04

normal RD 1600++ PRoOoOo games. (I have to mention that even those players who stack, sucks so it doesn't make any difference to me xd)

Literally, all of them suck
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: territory23 on April 23, 2021, 19:48
I got a topic about stacking and almost everyone accepted that stacking ruins the game.

There are sanctions for situations that means ruining of the game and I wonder why we still do not have a rule about stacking. Updating rules document has to be easy...

btw, we can have a poll to see if the community supports stacking or not.
Then I am one of them who disagrees with the idea. I think playing against stacked team is a challenge and sometimes it becomes very cool game to play compared to normal RD 1600++ PRoOoOo games. (I have to mention that even those players who stack, sucks so it doesn't make any difference to me xd)

As about giving sanction for stacking. Idk, I am not aware of such rule in any kind of game, not only in MOBA.

I am kindly inviting you to deer your opponents !

I am not talking about auto-balance. like @ksv said, some players really like to play vs stackers. You can keep playing vs them and if nobody reports the stacking, nobody gets a ban.
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: phaq on April 23, 2021, 20:01
This looks like undercover police officer engaging in prostitution while infiltrating the illegal prostitution gang.
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/26gJAixWEC4GeZecE/giphy.gif)
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-14-2015/aqDeLN.gif)
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/l0HlP9OKqU2PP5fQ4/source.gif)
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: Confused-o_O- on April 28, 2021, 21:34
(https://media.makeameme.org/created/you-were-supposed-b406186d10.jpg)
Super funny and in point. Nice one luke.

yes, it captures the spirit of this post quite well :)
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: AntlermanXXL on April 29, 2021, 02:10
If you can`t join them, beat them
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: [Dis]Kealthas on April 29, 2021, 17:38
i mean i think at this point everyone knows that even a handicapped person can beat tooshade 1v1 so it is obvious that he stacks and only people with 1400 low kda will play with him so he can fullfill is imaginary desires so. Not much to think about but still i would support if there was a rule about stacking.
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: TooShade on April 30, 2021, 00:28
First of all, you are "last hit" player, so your skill is inexistent, just you let teammates doing 80% of job for removing hp and you only last hit, teamplay knowledge = 0, so better you don't talk.
Another thing, I invite you to respect invalid people before talk saying bullshits "Also an handicap can beat TooShade", when it doesn't make any sense, so stop saying bullshits.
In addiction, when I host games you can see I play always with 4/5 friends, but the difference when you see my games full of 1400+ PSR players, I start it for fun and the difference is that I win those kind of games alone, so I don't need friends (because maybe they are offline), and at same time I don't need teammates, so I do it kinda for fun.
Ending, you can continue to dream Blue Sword icon, even in your next life you won't have, same with other icons.
@[Dis]Kealthas
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: -Aleksandar- on April 30, 2021, 00:58
Manchester City-PSG   2nd match

Any suggestions?  ???
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: AGENT on April 30, 2021, 01:30
Manchester City-PSG   2nd match

Any suggestions?  ???
2-2&3+
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: .SaLiH. on April 30, 2021, 02:01
Manchester City-PSG   2nd match

Any suggestions?  ???
2-2&3+
you just asked the right person !
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: 4K on April 30, 2021, 02:04
Stop stacking on forum and play RPG/LTD, dota is beer
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: AGENT on April 30, 2021, 11:34
dota is beer
*deer
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: [Dis]Kealthas on April 30, 2021, 12:23
i mean i was top1 they are giving blue sword to what top2 ? at that time i was having bad relaltionship with one of the admins cause i wasn't boosting him in my games and i didn't receive an icon and it is just an 16 kb of pixel if that what makes u happy go feel free to feel confident. My state dooesn't change i can make a handicapped person beat you in any lane any game because u don't have skill man accept it im not a last hitter i normally play pos 5 in my games which you can  see if you reach ''immortal'' rank in dota 2 and play with me but i play here for fun and still everyone knows you man don't try to cover yourself behind 16 pixel blue swords u are bad and stacker just accept it and play no one will talk about it than. It is all about accepting the facts that u are bad and doing this. No one would care than : D
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: TooShade on April 30, 2021, 12:34
I can't accept facts that aren't true... I told things how are so, if you want understand ok, if not your problem, you waste time writing not me. Only writing "TooShade stacker", you already wasted 20 seconds of your shamely life without work, according to the typing speed at which you write. And I never see someone said you are good player, he has good skill, never... So? So it means you are useless player in this server and just trashtalk to others. if you think to make me do shit figures (never noone did since I am here) writing I'm stacker, you're wrong, but, continuing to answer me you will collect them like presents for Xmas. Avoid to talk sometimes brings to make nice figure, will you give this example to the community?
About server icon, it weighs more than your brain.
@[Dis]Kealthas
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: .SaLiH. on April 30, 2021, 13:54
canadian immortal who cant lane against invoker :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

ok this made my day
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: [Dis]Kealthas on April 30, 2021, 15:59
U can live in your fantasy life all day toostack sorry reality is different it is not for you to decide or not :D i play here for fun and doesn't change the fact u are bad can do 5v5 best of 5 with you or 1v1 bo3 aromshnp :) but whatever
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: 4K on April 30, 2021, 16:05
Everyone has their own opinion also I respect it and love it,

Players are free to choose to play in tooshade's games like him or leave then join a game balance.

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6382833 here you can see how tooshade lost :D

Edit: There some players do not know what means wards / what to buy items for hero / build wrong + they think right doing and others are wrong.

Low skills and 0 brain in games can sometimes lead to further problems heart attacks or fk ur blood like cigar :D

40:08   TooShade   [Allies]   >> Shark4k (Axe) has a > Sange
40:09   TooShade   [Allies]   i hope
40:12   Shark4k   [Allies]   heaven...
40:13   TooShade   [Allies]   not sange and yasha
40:14   TooShade   [Allies]   ah ok
40:15   TooShade   [Allies]   good
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: TooShade on April 30, 2021, 16:26
I don't like this provocative behavior so much Shark4K, should I ask cen for a medal that you won? Tell me... So he can farm you a medal for won against full group and you can keep it in archivements.
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: TooShade on April 30, 2021, 16:32
You should be a master...
@[Dis]Kealthas

06:45   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 5 8
06:47   [Dis]Kealthas   !start
06:47      Game is starting, game mode is set to [ap].

19:21      Sentinel avg. PSR: 1629(75% to win), Scourge avg. PSR: 1623(25% to win)
19:25   [Dis]Kealthas   go
19:25   [Dis]Kealthas   go
19:26   [Dis]Kealthas   go
19:26   [Dis]Kealthas   go
19:27   [Dis]Kealthas   go go

08:27   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 9 4
08:30   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

08:20   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 4 6
08:31   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

03:49   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 2 7
03:55   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

17:13   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 4 6
17:19   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

07:39   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 3 10
07:42   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

22:25   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 4 6
22:35   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

05:34   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 8 2
05:37   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

15:00   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 3 10
15:08   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

17:43      Sentinel avg. PSR: 1758(83% to win), Scourge avg. PSR: 1666(17% to win)
17:58   GrowthHacker   !start

03:05      Sentinel avg. PSR: 1602(70% to win), Scourge avg. PSR: 1599(30% to win)
03:16   Sniper   !start

02:22      Sentinel avg. PSR: 1762(72% to win), Scourge avg. PSR: 1738(28% to win)
02:35   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

08:54   [Dis]Kealthas   !balance
08:54      Sentinel avg. PSR: 1664(69% to win), Scourge avg. PSR: 1652(31% to win)
09:03   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: [Dis]Kealthas on April 30, 2021, 16:56
Dude what you search and do is really pathetic though :D Still doesn't change the fact u are bad at this game it is a matter of fact like world is round so you it doesn't matter if u accept or not
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: TooShade on April 30, 2021, 17:02
Putting happy smiles doesn't make me cry, and you showed that you are able to stack too, since you are host nothing vs, but still shame talking others I'm stacker when you are a master here...
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: luke on April 30, 2021, 20:01
All icons became worthless since you can choose any icon if you are top 10. And relations with staff here is everything. If they dont like you you will get no icon etc. For example my posts appear only after approval. And same tooshade who was faking bot announcement and abusing commands for years was banned for 1 month only.
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: territory23 on April 30, 2021, 20:10
Ahahahah I never thought I would support Tooshade, but this is good move.

You should be a master...
@[Dis]Kealthas

06:45   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 5 8
06:47   [Dis]Kealthas   !start
06:47      Game is starting, game mode is set to [ap].

19:21      Sentinel avg. PSR: 1629(75% to win), Scourge avg. PSR: 1623(25% to win)
19:25   [Dis]Kealthas   go
19:25   [Dis]Kealthas   go
19:26   [Dis]Kealthas   go
19:26   [Dis]Kealthas   go
19:27   [Dis]Kealthas   go go

08:27   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 9 4
08:30   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

08:20   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 4 6
08:31   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

03:49   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 2 7
03:55   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

17:13   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 4 6
17:19   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

07:39   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 3 10
07:42   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

22:25   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 4 6
22:35   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

05:34   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 8 2
05:37   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

15:00   [Dis]Kealthas   !swap 3 10
15:08   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

17:43      Sentinel avg. PSR: 1758(83% to win), Scourge avg. PSR: 1666(17% to win)
17:58   GrowthHacker   !start

03:05      Sentinel avg. PSR: 1602(70% to win), Scourge avg. PSR: 1599(30% to win)
03:16   Sniper   !start

02:22      Sentinel avg. PSR: 1762(72% to win), Scourge avg. PSR: 1738(28% to win)
02:35   [Dis]Kealthas   !start

08:54   [Dis]Kealthas   !balance
08:54      Sentinel avg. PSR: 1664(69% to win), Scourge avg. PSR: 1652(31% to win)
09:03   [Dis]Kealthas   !start
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: tehnika8x8 on April 30, 2021, 20:39
Manchester City-PSG   2nd match

Any suggestions?  ???
2-2&3+
You still believe in them :o :D
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: territory23 on May 03, 2021, 00:22
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6383810

97-3 balance game. 2 players got banned. Very fair, right?

I am glad we have a good server.
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: TooShade on May 03, 2021, 02:59
08:24   TooShade   ok 4 top

I told before start I got some friends in that game.
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: AntlermanXXL on May 03, 2021, 04:29
If you can`t beat them, eat them
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: spongebozz on May 03, 2021, 13:59
If u cant beat them, deer them :D
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: iErnesto94 on May 03, 2021, 18:51
And relations with staff here is everything. And same tooshade who was faking bot announcement and abusing commands for years was banned for 1 month only.
The fact that he was banned without any ban request proves the opposite.

Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: inzamix on May 04, 2021, 20:56
It would be nice if a command in the bot was to be introduced so that game cannot be started if unbalance is greater than 60-40.. most of us, not hosting, stay on net till game starts, so we cannot know what some host do
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: luke on May 04, 2021, 21:01
It would be nice if a command in the bot was to be introduced so that game cannot be started if unbalance is greater than 60-40.. most of us, not hosting, stay on net till game starts, so we cannot know what some host do

I think good idea
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: territory23 on May 04, 2021, 22:49
Most of the players think it is good idea. It does not change anything. Plus, now we have a stacker in administration.
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: AGENT on May 05, 2021, 00:32
Manchester City-PSG   2nd match

Any suggestions?  ???
2-2&3+
:whistle: ::)
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: 4K on May 06, 2021, 17:17
(https://media.giphy.com/media/7uIkyxOV6DjMc/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: -Aleksandar- on May 06, 2021, 23:20
Manchester City-PSG   2nd match

Any suggestions?  ???
2-2&3+
:whistle: ::)

Very close  >:D
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: luke on May 06, 2021, 23:57
Most of the players think it is good idea. It does not change anything. Plus, now we have a stacker in administration.

True, if 1 of the administrators is stacking there is no chance for improvement in this direction
Title: Re: If you can't beat them, join them
Post by: iErnesto94 on May 07, 2021, 02:59
I help this server as a moderator long before you came and I will help long after you are gone. You were here 2-3 years, did a few things and now you are just here to promote drama.
Insinuating that psr affects my judgement is based on 0 facts and purely on biased thoughts of hate.
Up to this day I suggested several times to add a rule for excessive stacking. However, changing something that works last 20 years and kept this server alive is not a simple stack. For this situation, an objective rule is difficult to be applied and it would be more subjective. Something that potentially could cause more good than bad.
The idea about game not being able to start when 60-40 (or something similar) is poorly thought since it has many bad implications. For example, there are lobbies that 10 friends play and want to make the teams as they like. Especially in high psr games where psr means less than the actual skill of the player and pro players join with new account.
Feel free to suggest a well thought idea and till then you can leave the lobbies that you don't like, rather than stay and then complain.