Do i need to repost all the suggestions i remember, or it is considered as read already? :-)If you mean suggestions sent via PM, feel free to write them here so everyone can see it and discuss.
Player | Ladder rank (current ladder) | Ladder games ever (main account) | PSR (current ladder) | Custom games ever (main account) | Tournaments Played following this list http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=165538.0 | Tournaments Win. (all the time!won tours from previous seasson's are counted!) (Main Scoreboard) |
1. SERBIANIDIOT | 31. | 1090 | 1800 | 554 | 53 | 28 |
2. -Deynro- | 6. | 1815 | 1857 | 218 | 50 | 21 |
3. Akuma | 433. | 1142 | 1681 | 270 | 25 | 11 |
4. Fatality- | 1. | 196 | 1941 | 61 | 32 | 11 |
5. Kemcek | 336. | 1318 | 1693 | 848 | 15 | 10 |
6. Hamza. | 178. | 1460 | 1721 | 761 | 78 | 9 |
7. ^^Succubus^^ | 27. | 1191 | 1801 | 149 | 59 | 5 |
8. Feelsgood ( ExpertNoob ) | 107. | 206 | 1742 | 64 | 34 | 6 |
9. CrazyGuardians (King_Arthas) | 1851. | 398 | 1562 | 356 | 27 | 10 |
10. kja12 | 1171. | 819 | 1606 | 242 | 3 | 2 |
11. -Aleksandar- | 457. | 1323 | 1678 | 37 | 20 | 0 |
12. AccidentalSkill ShitBecomeTrue | 23. | 250 | 1803 | 55 | 41 | 8 |
13. Jimmy | 420. | 1416 | 1683 | 93 | 5 | 3 |
14. [BoS]Silver | not in ladder yet | 26 | 1517 | 22 | 5 | 2 |
15. NatsuDragneel^^ | not in ladder yet | 311 | 1494 | 182 | 56 | 1 |
16.(ClaraShuman ) Ov3Rd0S3 , Nepopravljiv | 9999. | 2038 | 1517 | 230 | 10 | 10 |
18. Grga_Man (Star_Scream ) | 27. | 3029 | 1802 | 19 | 6 | 5 |
17. LexMonster Lexy | not in ladder yet | 85 | 1500 | 0 | 2 | |
With other words, you want a ladder dedicated to tours only, same as the main psr ladder?yy we have dota ladder ,and we can have tournament ladder too:)
Isn't there already safelist for that?
-anyone which is good with editing maps would be awsome to edit some of the tournaments maps, like invoker wars or which gives everytime bug ''Nevermore vs Mirana Wars'' and and so on.
Do i need to repost all the suggestions i remember, or it is considered as read already? :-)
Hi i was little bored and i become a idea to make tournament ladder like this
it can be statistic of Daily , CG , Insta tours ,ETC instead of psr ladder stats
together with main win point of tournaments won.
(this is just example , also all players are not on right possitions.)Unofficial Tournament Ladder 2018+
Player Ladder
rank
(current ladder)Ladder
games ever
(main account)
PSR
(current ladder)Custom games ever
(main account)
Tournaments Played
following this listhttp://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=165538.0Tournaments Win.
(all the time!won tours from previous seasson's are counted!)
(Main Scoreboard)1. SERBIANIDIOT 31. 1090 1800 554 53 28 2.
-Deynro-6. 1815 1857 218 50 21 3. Akuma 433. 1142 1681 270 25 11 4.
Fatality-1. 196 1941 61 32 11 5. Kemcek 336. 1318 1693 848 15 10 6. Hamza. 178. 1460 1721 761 78 9 7. ^^Succubus^^
27. 1191 1801 149 59 5 8. Feelsgood
( ExpertNoob )
107. 206 1742 64 34 6 9. CrazyGuardians
(King_Arthas)
1851.398 1562 356 27 10 10. kja12 1171. 819 1606 242 3 2 11. -Aleksandar- 457. 1323 1678 37 20 0 12. AccidentalSkill
ShitBecomeTrue23. 250 1803 55 41 8 13. Jimmy 420. 1416 1683 93 5 3 14.
[BoS]Silvernot in ladder yet 26 1517 22 5 2 15.
NatsuDragneel^^not in ladder yet 311 1494 182 56 1 16.(ClaraShuman )
Ov3Rd0S3 , Nepopravljiv9999. 2038 1517 230 10 10 18. Grga_Man
(Star_Scream )27. 3029 1802 19 6 5 17.
LexMonster
Lexy
not in ladder yet85 1500 0 2
Additional players:
Alone_monax
sapka (agressif-_-) )
cyb
iernesto94
common
jeandarc
ilikedat
dragorn
salih
wide
fatandviolent.
asd22
. gemofthen1ght
x)
Stop giving wrong ppl op(admin), Upload a map already its taking 2 years almost, Stop baning ppl for no real reasons and locking ip so they wont change platform like they are doing it now. At least try to talk via pm to someone who ruins and be exmple to members, not a dickheads like some power abusers here, they cant even warn someone before they type !kick !ban in channel or in game. I was muted in game one time i wont name who did that, only cuz he failed and went even afk but he is moderator. I know cen is busy to update it but La shuting down so badly. I know already few good players joined to another platform cuz map.
Make another room for new ladder where is no stats at all only win lose rate. So maybe but maybe they will try to play game in right way, psr means nothing cuz a lot of players playing for stats kills etc they wanna look good on !sd . And then starts a problem with 2 mid then flames, feeding. And make option that 4 players can make rmk or something in case someone start to ruin or going 2 mid to fuck up carry with some support. Cuz u cant get 8 or idk how muh 8 9 votes for rmk here.
1. Change balance option based on players stats and not like it is now based on their psr. It can be done by using kills/deaths formula or kills + assist / deaths. That would make games more fair.
2. After changing balance psr system wont work anymore so u have to change it also. Those who their current psr is 1500+ can win +10 -8 in every game they play until they reach 1600 or going below 1500+. The exact ammount of psr can be disscused after the change is aplied.
And revive IHRL. The only reason why i didnt join ss is that i never enter on eurobattle.net(only when i have to activate accounts). I would like to see a pro league at our forum since lately has been active once again(100-200 users per min online)
As for tourmanaments they are made to have a bit more fun on them and i think they shold stay like they are for now.
Hi,
So toxic players here.
Make autohost games so u can wait 20 minutes in lobby and u will be protected of retarded host who will kick u after 20 min of waiting because guy who joined game last need slot for friend.
As u know we are in 2k18 and there is no more 15 games in lobby in anytime and there is no 1k online PD players .
1. Since mara popped up tournaments, maybe tournaments should be again like before,
-tournament wins {in profile section, which you can get icon with that}
-anyone which is good with editing maps would be awsome to edit some of the tournaments maps, like invoker wars or which gives everytime bug ''Nevermore vs Mirana Wars'' and and so on.
-not sure if something else can be done.
2. We of course want new map
3. i believe there are so many ppl still playing this game. mostly at night more ppl are online. if there would be a way to make those players be in contact with forum, server would be more lively, i wonder. Since its same players posting on forum -except ban unban section-
thats all i think, if sth else comes to my mind ill write. Thanks for asking
1. We (admins) are already discussing change in 'balance option", but it can't be this simple, people will just create a new account and "hunt stats", also its much easier to have better KDA in fewer games. Everyone can play 1 great game and make great score in that one game, it doesn't mean he is a good player as you suggested.to avoid ppl with high stats in a few games we can put a min of !games anytime so that wont be a problem. i dont know if my suggestion can be done or not but i think it will make games more competitive and ofc more fair.
Quote1. We (admins) are already discussing change in 'balance option", but it can't be this simple, people will just create a new account and "hunt stats", also its much easier to have better KDA in fewer games. Everyone can play 1 great game and make great score in that one game, it doesn't mean he is a good player as you suggested.to avoid ppl with high stats in a few games we can put a min of !games anytime so that wont be a problem. i dont know if my suggestion can be done or not but i think it will make games more competitive and ofc more fair.
all in one tool what makes dota1 similar to dota2
not the look but the options / hotkeys / etc
where u dont have to download and modify the custom keys / start warkeys / etc
smth like a wc3dota2program
wont happen but i suggest
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dgljub
Split the share option between units and chick by adding the additional square check just for the chick. This way people will stop buying 5 chicks coz they are afraid of share abuse.Then they will abuse courir. How many days will be ban for „chick abuse“? ???
Split the share option between units and chick by adding the additional square check just for the chick. This way people will stop buying 5 chicks coz they are afraid of share abuse.
if you want to have good and balanced games, I believe the way is to promote teamplaying. This can be done by promoting stacking and nationalism. English of many players here is very limited and even if one can understand them he can´t really talk to them because they would not understand him. so maybe if you promote national channels and people from the same nation playing in a stack so they can actually talk about the game and what they wanna do, they dont pick 5 carries etc.
sure people are gonna be frustrated at first because they will play against stacks a lot but that will force them to find their own friends, stack or join already existing one.
Playing in a stack i believe people would understand someone needs to play support even if noone wants to play it, so someone eventually will play it and in stack you can easily rotate on positions every game.
I believe this way both games and players will improve as there are good players from every nation who can teach the worse ones in their mother´s tongue. I believe communication is one of the main issues on this server.
i have read all of these sugestion,well I dont think so server will become better,coz they are to many ppl who will not get better,and ppl >>server...but however maybe the good option is league,new map for sure,and there s something in game mode,for -ap mode for example,ban posibility,evry player can sign 1 hero for ban,before the game start and ppl pick heroes,thats rly good,I think we need that mode.
Split the share option between units and chick by adding the additional square check just for the chick. This way people will stop buying 5 chicks coz they are afraid of share abuse.
Split the share option between units and chick by adding the additional square check just for the chick. This way people will stop buying 5 chicks coz they are afraid of share abuse.Then they will abuse courir. How many days will be ban for „chick abuse“? ???
1.extra stats bar—I dont get why some of you guys asking for extra stats because current ones are enough.
2. New map — This can be interesting and risky in same time ; People will need some time to get used on it and some of them can leav because of new things as new look of map,spell changes,items..
3. Autohost — this can be good also host will not be protected anymore
4. Win/Lose — with only this stats maybe you can shake people to play more for team and to wake up their awarness..some of guys here mention this and this can be helpful
@i_like_dat
but you haven't calculated any players with really low number of games - 5 for example. We can't kick everyone who has a new account, nobody new will join this way.
the things that need to be included in getting "new PSR - new balance system"
1. KDA
2. number of games
3. W/L ratio
4. Game balance
5. Probably something else
btw for the sake of easy reading please use spoilers for stats or similar things..if you want to have good and balanced games, I believe the way is to promote teamplaying. This can be done by promoting stacking and nationalism. English of many players here is very limited and even if one can understand them he can´t really talk to them because they would not understand him. so maybe if you promote national channels and people from the same nation playing in a stack so they can actually talk about the game and what they wanna do, they dont pick 5 carries etc.
sure people are gonna be frustrated at first because they will play against stacks a lot but that will force them to find their own friends, stack or join already existing one.
Playing in a stack i believe people would understand someone needs to play support even if noone wants to play it, so someone eventually will play it and in stack you can easily rotate on positions every game.
I believe this way both games and players will improve as there are good players from every nation who can teach the worse ones in their mother´s tongue. I believe communication is one of the main issues on this server.
This is a very interesting idea, however I don't think it can work on public league. Someone will always be kicked, left out, etc and everyone is supposed to be able to play here. Also there are some countries with not-so-huge number of players (like Russia, Oman, Bulgaria, Greece and more) If we go with private league as well (after map update) we might be open for options like this one, but they will probably work on countries such as Romania, Serbia, Turkey, Macedonia - with lot of players populating this place.i have read all of these sugestion,well I dont think so server will become better,coz they are to many ppl who will not get better,and ppl >>server...but however maybe the good option is league,new map for sure,and there s something in game mode,for -ap mode for example,ban posibility,evry player can sign 1 hero for ban,before the game start and ppl pick heroes,thats rly good,I think we need that mode.
-cm mode is ap mode with bans right? New map and new league already discussed above.Split the share option between units and chick by adding the additional square check just for the chick. This way people will stop buying 5 chicks coz they are afraid of share abuse.
But then a random guy can take your chick to buy something stupid, while you are mid desperately needing bottle/midas or whatever.Split the share option between units and chick by adding the additional square check just for the chick. This way people will stop buying 5 chicks coz they are afraid of share abuse.Then they will abuse courir. How many days will be ban for „chick abuse“? ???
1.extra stats bar—I dont get why some of you guys asking for extra stats because current ones are enough.
2. New map — This can be interesting and risky in same time ; People will need some time to get used on it and some of them can leav because of new things as new look of map,spell changes,items..
3. Autohost — this can be good also host will not be protected anymore
4. Win/Lose — with only this stats maybe you can shake people to play more for team and to wake up their awarness..some of guys here mention this and this can be helpful
1. It will give more information about player, definitely not a bad thing, also many people asked for this already.
2. Already discussed above.
3. There must be some kind of game host/owner - some friends want to play together, get locked, or kick someone bad etc, someone has to do this manually. But we will look into 'host not being protected' its definitely a good idea, and we are already discussing this one (from some previous suggestions)
4. Already told above - people will play on 98-2 balance just to get wins.
@i_like_dat1.
but you haven't calculated any players with really low number of games - 5 for example. We can't kick everyone who has a new account, nobody new will join this way.
the things that need to be included in getting "new PSR - new balance system"
1. KDA
2. number of games
3. W/L ratio
4. Game balance
5. Probably something else
btw for the sake of easy reading please use spoilers for stats or similar things..
if you want to have good and balanced games, I believe the way is to promote teamplaying. This can be done by promoting stacking and nationalism. English of many players here is very limited and even if one can understand them he can´t really talk to them because they would not understand him. so maybe if you promote national channels and people from the same nation playing in a stack so they can actually talk about the game and what they wanna do, they dont pick 5 carries etc.the only way to promote teamplay is to re-open the la league called IHRL.
sure people are gonna be frustrated at first because they will play against stacks a lot but that will force them to find their own friends, stack or join already existing one.
Playing in a stack i believe people would understand someone needs to play support even if noone wants to play it, so someone eventually will play it and in stack you can easily rotate on positions every game.
I believe this way both games and players will improve as there are good players from every nation who can teach the worse ones in their mother´s tongue. I believe communication is one of the main issues on this server.
Like i said at the second post using kda formula would fuck things up,at the first example i used only k/d and the result is that.
We all know that players are still being kicked from games,im one of them after checking !f but that doesnt mean that we shold remove it also.
Not sure about mmr system ,or kill/dead ration,but about picking same heroes there is a simple solution as I said,dota map has 1 big problem since ice frog made it,there will always be at least few heroes over power and unbalanced,thats why before we start picking heroes we type mode something like -bpap (I think it was "-bp") and as i said early evry player can chose 1 hero to be banned after that its decide somehow and few heroes are forbiden to be picked. Verry ez and simple,that will help with balance a bit,and it is not so big deal.Wtf you talk about? Every hero is balanced XD
Maybe ''Custom Game Leauge'' would be cool. You might say there is already tournament section which covers it, however, we don't know when players are online for tournaments.
There could be a pool in everyweek or everymonth which asks about tournament map and tournament date. This might help to get an average people at the same time. Might be done same in leauge if it would be accepted. Leauge might have more advantages, indeed we play maps which is organised in tournaments but there are maps which cant be played in tournament or it will be hard to get track on it.
i am aware of that, we need people in order to do this. this idea would need support, if someone agrees pls post.
sorry, not pool but poll, survey. ill write about leagueMaybe ''Custom Game Leauge'' would be cool. You might say there is already tournament section which covers it, however, we don't know when players are online for tournaments.
There could be a pool in everyweek or everymonth which asks about tournament map and tournament date. This might help to get an average people at the same time. Might be done same in leauge if it would be accepted. Leauge might have more advantages, indeed we play maps which is organised in tournaments but there are maps which cant be played in tournament or it will be hard to get track on it.
i am aware of that, we need people in order to do this. this idea would need support, if someone agrees pls post.
What exactly do you mean by pool? Also would be interesting to hear your view on how such league would work.
come dota salih ?sorry, not pool but poll, survey. ill write about leagueMaybe ''Custom Game Leauge'' would be cool. You might say there is already tournament section which covers it, however, we don't know when players are online for tournaments.
There could be a pool in everyweek or everymonth which asks about tournament map and tournament date. This might help to get an average people at the same time. Might be done same in leauge if it would be accepted. Leauge might have more advantages, indeed we play maps which is organised in tournaments but there are maps which cant be played in tournament or it will be hard to get track on it.
i am aware of that, we need people in order to do this. this idea would need support, if someone agrees pls post.
What exactly do you mean by pool? Also would be interesting to hear your view on how such league would work.
I was thinking about your idea, and tryed looking at (K+A)/D as a possible factor to judge players.
Lets see some examples from the games you provided. BTW im not judging those games you had 1400 players in your team because they can't be taken seriously.
So lets start with: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049903
your team:
nocturnal- has 3.7
diurnal- has 3.7
nakedwather has 3.3
jeandarc has 2.6
dunja has 2.4
other team:
propaganda has 5.5
simonster has 3.7
strategy has 2.8
zla_dobrila has 2.7
anti-brain has 2.5
1. This puts you on 8th place in this game considering this factor. Do you believe these 7 players are better than you?
2. This factor is to be taken with the fact, that people with less games will have higher average than people with more games (propaganda has only 30 games played) - this brings up no3
3. Imagine someone create new account and have this factor of 20 or higher after 1-2 games, how can it be taken into balance or even considered his average, when it can drop by double digits first game he feeds.
moving into another game: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049861
your team:
[bloodthirst] has 3.3
tihulu has 2.6
jeandarc has 2.6
marihuana024 has 2.4
marian-pl has 2.3
other team:
verybadperson has 3.5
hlr.sap has 2.9
^propalica^ has 2.8
[ne-ko] has 2.5
sevs has 2
Your place in this game was 5th or 6th, which would mean half of the players in this game were better/equal with you.
Judging those 2 games by kills/deaths/assists as you suggested would mean you were among lower players in these 2 games.
I don't think you are among lower players in this games having played with you many times, and I am sure you don't consider yourself lower as well.
To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.
PS: I consider you are not trolling with this topic, so if you have any better suggestions or ideas regarding this I would gladly listen to them.
wow i just saw ths http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=179970.15
so im not the only one asking to change the balance system.
im just going to quote Akuma's post thereim quoting myself nowI was thinking about your idea, and tryed looking at (K+A)/D as a possible factor to judge players.
Lets see some examples from the games you provided. BTW im not judging those games you had 1400 players in your team because they can't be taken seriously.
So lets start with: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049903
your team:
nocturnal- has 3.7
diurnal- has 3.7
nakedwather has 3.3
jeandarc has 2.6
dunja has 2.4
other team:
propaganda has 5.5
simonster has 3.7
strategy has 2.8
zla_dobrila has 2.7
anti-brain has 2.5
1. This puts you on 8th place in this game considering this factor. Do you believe these 7 players are better than you?
2. This factor is to be taken with the fact, that people with less games will have higher average than people with more games (propaganda has only 30 games played) - this brings up no3
3. Imagine someone create new account and have this factor of 20 or higher after 1-2 games, how can it be taken into balance or even considered his average, when it can drop by double digits first game he feeds.
moving into another game: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049861
your team:
[bloodthirst] has 3.3
tihulu has 2.6
jeandarc has 2.6
marihuana024 has 2.4
marian-pl has 2.3
other team:
verybadperson has 3.5
hlr.sap has 2.9
^propalica^ has 2.8
[ne-ko] has 2.5
sevs has 2
Your place in this game was 5th or 6th, which would mean half of the players in this game were better/equal with you.
Judging those 2 games by kills/deaths/assists as you suggested would mean you were among lower players in these 2 games.
I don't think you are among lower players in this games having played with you many times, and I am sure you don't consider yourself lower as well.
To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.
PS: I consider you are not trolling with this topic, so if you have any better suggestions or ideas regarding this I would gladly listen to them.
fatality- 1941 1947 303 72% 27% 13.8 6.2 12 2.2 2 4.2
lazy_clown 1681 1681 89 78% 21% 7.9 3.8 13.1 2.1 3.4 5.5
its pretty much obvios whos better player from the 2 of them but lazy_clown has higher (K+A)/D which would cause again unbalance.
i suggested to take under consideration only k/d even that assist are important but as u can see they can fuck up whole thing.
as for the number of games u are right but it can be fixed. every new player will have 1 or 1.5 default k/d ratio until he reach 10 games and then system will count from there and on. that will prevent players from having 20 k/d ratio after first or second game.i insist this should be taken under consideration but seems like Cen its to bussy to check it. @Astaroth your opinion :p
To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.
even now nobody cares about supporting the team lol,its not that things are good and after that are going to be worse after that :D do u play on the server or not?wow i just saw ths http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=179970.15
so im not the only one asking to change the balance system.
im just going to quote Akuma's post thereim quoting myself nowI was thinking about your idea, and tryed looking at (K+A)/D as a possible factor to judge players.
Lets see some examples from the games you provided. BTW im not judging those games you had 1400 players in your team because they can't be taken seriously.
So lets start with: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049903
your team:
nocturnal- has 3.7
diurnal- has 3.7
nakedwather has 3.3
jeandarc has 2.6
dunja has 2.4
other team:
propaganda has 5.5
simonster has 3.7
strategy has 2.8
zla_dobrila has 2.7
anti-brain has 2.5
1. This puts you on 8th place in this game considering this factor. Do you believe these 7 players are better than you?
2. This factor is to be taken with the fact, that people with less games will have higher average than people with more games (propaganda has only 30 games played) - this brings up no3
3. Imagine someone create new account and have this factor of 20 or higher after 1-2 games, how can it be taken into balance or even considered his average, when it can drop by double digits first game he feeds.
moving into another game: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049861
your team:
[bloodthirst] has 3.3
tihulu has 2.6
jeandarc has 2.6
marihuana024 has 2.4
marian-pl has 2.3
other team:
verybadperson has 3.5
hlr.sap has 2.9
^propalica^ has 2.8
[ne-ko] has 2.5
sevs has 2
Your place in this game was 5th or 6th, which would mean half of the players in this game were better/equal with you.
Judging those 2 games by kills/deaths/assists as you suggested would mean you were among lower players in these 2 games.
I don't think you are among lower players in this games having played with you many times, and I am sure you don't consider yourself lower as well.
To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.
PS: I consider you are not trolling with this topic, so if you have any better suggestions or ideas regarding this I would gladly listen to them.
fatality- 1941 1947 303 72% 27% 13.8 6.2 12 2.2 2 4.2
lazy_clown 1681 1681 89 78% 21% 7.9 3.8 13.1 2.1 3.4 5.5
its pretty much obvios whos better player from the 2 of them but lazy_clown has higher (K+A)/D which would cause again unbalance.
i suggested to take under consideration only k/d even that assist are important but as u can see they can fuck up whole thing.
as for the number of games u are right but it can be fixed. every new player will have 1 or 1.5 default k/d ratio until he reach 10 games and then system will count from there and on. that will prevent players from having 20 k/d ratio after first or second game.i insist this should be taken under consideration but seems like Cen its to bussy to check it. @Astaroth your opinion :p
Yes, we already discussed that, but you can't take assists out of equation - nobody would want to play support hero, everyone would pick shitty heroes that can easily gain many kills, and those who would play support would end up with shitty k/d, and kicked from games because of that... Also there would be much more rage about "stealing" kills, etc. Can't work without assists in equation.
Also my post on that thread proved how KDA can place good player behind 8 other players, where surely not all 8 of them were actually better players.
And yeah Cen is busy with new map, this is to be discussed until then.
even now nobody cares about supporting the team lol,its not that things are good and after that are going to be worse after that :D do u play on the server or not?wow i just saw ths http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=179970.15
so im not the only one asking to change the balance system.
im just going to quote Akuma's post thereim quoting myself nowI was thinking about your idea, and tryed looking at (K+A)/D as a possible factor to judge players.
Lets see some examples from the games you provided. BTW im not judging those games you had 1400 players in your team because they can't be taken seriously.
So lets start with: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049903
your team:
nocturnal- has 3.7
diurnal- has 3.7
nakedwather has 3.3
jeandarc has 2.6
dunja has 2.4
other team:
propaganda has 5.5
simonster has 3.7
strategy has 2.8
zla_dobrila has 2.7
anti-brain has 2.5
1. This puts you on 8th place in this game considering this factor. Do you believe these 7 players are better than you?
2. This factor is to be taken with the fact, that people with less games will have higher average than people with more games (propaganda has only 30 games played) - this brings up no3
3. Imagine someone create new account and have this factor of 20 or higher after 1-2 games, how can it be taken into balance or even considered his average, when it can drop by double digits first game he feeds.
moving into another game: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049861
your team:
[bloodthirst] has 3.3
tihulu has 2.6
jeandarc has 2.6
marihuana024 has 2.4
marian-pl has 2.3
other team:
verybadperson has 3.5
hlr.sap has 2.9
^propalica^ has 2.8
[ne-ko] has 2.5
sevs has 2
Your place in this game was 5th or 6th, which would mean half of the players in this game were better/equal with you.
Judging those 2 games by kills/deaths/assists as you suggested would mean you were among lower players in these 2 games.
I don't think you are among lower players in this games having played with you many times, and I am sure you don't consider yourself lower as well.
To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.
PS: I consider you are not trolling with this topic, so if you have any better suggestions or ideas regarding this I would gladly listen to them.
fatality- 1941 1947 303 72% 27% 13.8 6.2 12 2.2 2 4.2
lazy_clown 1681 1681 89 78% 21% 7.9 3.8 13.1 2.1 3.4 5.5
its pretty much obvios whos better player from the 2 of them but lazy_clown has higher (K+A)/D which would cause again unbalance.
i suggested to take under consideration only k/d even that assist are important but as u can see they can fuck up whole thing.
as for the number of games u are right but it can be fixed. every new player will have 1 or 1.5 default k/d ratio until he reach 10 games and then system will count from there and on. that will prevent players from having 20 k/d ratio after first or second game.i insist this should be taken under consideration but seems like Cen its to bussy to check it. @Astaroth your opinion :p
Yes, we already discussed that, but you can't take assists out of equation - nobody would want to play support hero, everyone would pick shitty heroes that can easily gain many kills, and those who would play support would end up with shitty k/d, and kicked from games because of that... Also there would be much more rage about "stealing" kills, etc. Can't work without assists in equation.
Also my post on that thread proved how KDA can place good player behind 8 other players, where surely not all 8 of them were actually better players.
And yeah Cen is busy with new map, this is to be discussed until then.
most of the mode played is ap and there noone picks support,even the most noob on server. your argument is pretty much invalid under this circumstances. imo that change or something similar should be done asap.
thats only 1% of the players,even those who like to support end up supporting wrong players and give up on that. players will never like to support,only if we remove stats and let only w/l which isnt the best to be done cuz stats are what makes players be still active here.Its not true, there are people who care. I know you are right and that MANY players would rather pick slark/tiny/alch, but there are those who play other heroes as well.even now nobody cares about supporting the team lol,its not that things are good and after that are going to be worse after that :D do u play on the server or not?wow i just saw ths http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=179970.15
so im not the only one asking to change the balance system.
im just going to quote Akuma's post thereim quoting myself nowI was thinking about your idea, and tryed looking at (K+A)/D as a possible factor to judge players.
Lets see some examples from the games you provided. BTW im not judging those games you had 1400 players in your team because they can't be taken seriously.
So lets start with: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049903
your team:
nocturnal- has 3.7
diurnal- has 3.7
nakedwather has 3.3
jeandarc has 2.6
dunja has 2.4
other team:
propaganda has 5.5
simonster has 3.7
strategy has 2.8
zla_dobrila has 2.7
anti-brain has 2.5
1. This puts you on 8th place in this game considering this factor. Do you believe these 7 players are better than you?
2. This factor is to be taken with the fact, that people with less games will have higher average than people with more games (propaganda has only 30 games played) - this brings up no3
3. Imagine someone create new account and have this factor of 20 or higher after 1-2 games, how can it be taken into balance or even considered his average, when it can drop by double digits first game he feeds.
moving into another game: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6049861
your team:
[bloodthirst] has 3.3
tihulu has 2.6
jeandarc has 2.6
marihuana024 has 2.4
marian-pl has 2.3
other team:
verybadperson has 3.5
hlr.sap has 2.9
^propalica^ has 2.8
[ne-ko] has 2.5
sevs has 2
Your place in this game was 5th or 6th, which would mean half of the players in this game were better/equal with you.
Judging those 2 games by kills/deaths/assists as you suggested would mean you were among lower players in these 2 games.
I don't think you are among lower players in this games having played with you many times, and I am sure you don't consider yourself lower as well.
To conclude: seeding players like this would probably bring even more imbalanced games where player with newer accounts would be seeded in top spots and that wouldn't be good.
PS: I consider you are not trolling with this topic, so if you have any better suggestions or ideas regarding this I would gladly listen to them.
fatality- 1941 1947 303 72% 27% 13.8 6.2 12 2.2 2 4.2
lazy_clown 1681 1681 89 78% 21% 7.9 3.8 13.1 2.1 3.4 5.5
its pretty much obvios whos better player from the 2 of them but lazy_clown has higher (K+A)/D which would cause again unbalance.
i suggested to take under consideration only k/d even that assist are important but as u can see they can fuck up whole thing.
as for the number of games u are right but it can be fixed. every new player will have 1 or 1.5 default k/d ratio until he reach 10 games and then system will count from there and on. that will prevent players from having 20 k/d ratio after first or second game.i insist this should be taken under consideration but seems like Cen its to bussy to check it. @Astaroth your opinion :p
Yes, we already discussed that, but you can't take assists out of equation - nobody would want to play support hero, everyone would pick shitty heroes that can easily gain many kills, and those who would play support would end up with shitty k/d, and kicked from games because of that... Also there would be much more rage about "stealing" kills, etc. Can't work without assists in equation.
Also my post on that thread proved how KDA can place good player behind 8 other players, where surely not all 8 of them were actually better players.
And yeah Cen is busy with new map, this is to be discussed until then.
most of the mode played is ap and there noone picks support,even the most noob on server. your argument is pretty much invalid under this circumstances. imo that change or something similar should be done asap.
Yes I play, and I random in AP (playing hero I get), @Alone_MonaX does this as well, many others do this, and play support heroes too.
Even by checking your profile I can see that you sometimes play support heroes like dazzle/warlock etc. But would you play these heroes if Kills were the only thing that mattered?