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Title: DotA 6.83
Post by: Astaroth on December 17, 2014, 13:15
If somebody missed what's comming, check it here:

http://www.dota2.com/shiftingsnows/
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: div.ide on December 17, 2014, 14:07
Another UAM removed (Diffusal blade).
Another formerly hardcoded stat cap raised (attack speed).
Another ability adds mechanics that wc3 probably won't handle (Infest - controlling SINGLE enemy unit without changing owner; shared movespeed).

Salami is being sliced.
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: UltimateTroll on December 17, 2014, 14:39
Trol be wondering if the as cap buff is gonna be implied into our dota.If so,wr will really be good,with her powershot range being almost as big as potms arrow,she might rly be one of Best offlanes that scale well into the lategame.
As for the other changes, there is some nice stuff, but wr will be pretty nice to play.Diff thing is quite strange,especially since its been an orb that didn't stack with others for years.That might be too broken on riki,having both diff and mom,which u can get at about 20 mins.Same goes for the annoying frog slark.Pubs are gonna get even tougher against these heroes. All around,plenty of weird shit,with no huge nerfs on some heroes
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Lagi on December 17, 2014, 16:58
Nice, but dota1 don't even have the 6.82 yet...
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Astaroth on December 17, 2014, 17:52
Nice, but dota1 don't even have the 6.82 yet...
;D

Well, you can prepare for the future. Distant future :P
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: div.ide on December 17, 2014, 18:12
Well, you can prepare for the future. Distant future :P
And that is still very, very optimistic :P
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Asandir on December 17, 2014, 18:27
I wonder if anyone will take Icefrog's place in Dota1 and keep updating it
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: XeqtR on December 17, 2014, 18:43
Dat naix tho'.
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Bart on December 17, 2014, 20:37
icefrog said he wont do more maps in wc3 dota
i think he doesnt have any tester team for wc3 anymore so....

already 2 big patches wc3 dota is behind.. a bit sad :D

will be harder to switch between games even more :PP
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on December 17, 2014, 20:41
will be harder to switch between games even more :PP
Not really, one will always be the same (this one), so it's fine. :D It won't be hard.
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Lagi on December 18, 2014, 01:16
icefrog said he wont do more maps in wc3 dota
i think he doesnt have any tester team for wc3 anymore so....

already 2 big patches wc3 dota is behind.. a bit sad :D

will be harder to switch between games even more :PP
As I heard, they wanted to make the w3 dota as a "sandbox" for the dota2. Icefrog wanted to make the new versions to dota1 first, spend some time testing and feedback, and then the bug-fixed new version implemented to d2. Nevertheless the totally opposite thing happens :D New versions come out to d2 first, and now already 2 versions out on d2 while d1 is still at 6.81d. To be honest, it means for me that icefrog gave up the further support for d1 once and for all :( Sad. Hope i'm wrong.
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: crazymurderer on December 18, 2014, 01:40
i tried lifestealer and so good xD but domi can counter this spell easily :D
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Astaroth on December 18, 2014, 13:41
Well ofc IceFrog works on D2.

Everything is more friendly at D2 in technical way - the game is made exclusively for DotA and he has bunch of pros around him.
Also D2 has more players, competitive scene's there...
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Rocka on December 18, 2014, 21:48
qop ulti through bkb ftw
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: cyb on December 19, 2014, 08:55
Should they relese new version for D1?
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: cyb on December 19, 2014, 08:57
General for me d2 sucks, i dont know maybe because i played d1 for long time...graphic is to different from d1 its problem for me and it takes too much time to buy items
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: iNevermore on December 19, 2014, 10:23
GTA1 will always be better in some ways then GTA 5
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: div.ide on December 19, 2014, 10:55
it takes too much time to buy items
Wait, what? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

It has everything in one shop instead of 8, text search, allows to buy entire items at once instead of part by part, parts link to bigger items they build into, item can be dragged to quickbuy panel so you didn't have to hotkey every shop or scroll back to base when you try to purchase somehthing, and there's build tab you can adjust for quick access to items you buy the most for each hero. How is that more time consuming? :D

Graphics are really not as big of an issue as you depict it. It's a matter of playing a couple of games to get used to. I can't play DotA because it's too different fromm Super Mario, right? :D
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Rocka on December 19, 2014, 13:55
too much time to buy items hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha best excuse I've heard so far. You don't have to drop all items to complete 1 thing like in dota 1, and the rest divide said before. Holy shit. What kind of excuse is this.
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: jeandarc on December 19, 2014, 14:25
I think dota 1 nice too :)
I like dota 1 better ;)
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: ColdWorld on December 19, 2014, 16:02
I think dota 1 nice too :)
I like dota 1 better ;)
what the fuck jeanny, who raped your acc? I'll protest for you if needed, just tell me!
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: mrNiceguy on December 19, 2014, 17:54
Dat naix tho'.

HoN copy&paste

Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: GREED on December 29, 2014, 21:37
chen new meta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Paw2p9lCcVs
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: iNevermore on December 29, 2014, 21:45
I have no idea why icefrog wont make new patches for d1. It still has so big potential...
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Astaroth on December 29, 2014, 21:47
Big potential?
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Rocka on December 29, 2014, 22:19
yea mega big potential, some day it will become better than dota 2, just wait asta  ;D ;D
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: iNevermore on December 29, 2014, 23:03
Big potential?

Prove me wrong but if someone would invest as much money as in dota2, in torunaments and serious league with rewards then Im sure people would join it. Since icefrog stoped uprading dota maps it will be going worse and worse as it is now. Only alternative for dota1 for now is HotS...
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: div.ide on December 29, 2014, 23:29
... the hell does HotS have to do with DotA?

How's HotS more relevant to DotA than Dota 2?

How does old and severly limited engine have big potential?

How is requiring literally 4+ different programs running as a necessity to provide basic functionalities to run game at all something desirable over one integrated client that has all the tools embedded?
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Astaroth on December 30, 2014, 01:29
Big potential?

Prove me wrong but if someone would invest as much money as in dota2, in torunaments and serious league with rewards then Im sure people would join it. Since icefrog stoped uprading dota maps it will be going worse and worse as it is now. Only alternative for dota1 for now is HotS...
I can.

First read div.ide's post, especially the following part.
How does old and severly limited engine have big potential?
It is old and it is limited.
The W3 editor was great for its time but nobody expected such a complex map as a DotA is.
In fact, it is more of whole new game than just an another custom map.

W3 was never made for such a map, all those mechanics that are needed...

If I remember correctly, maximum allowed size of a map was 8MB. I checked latest version, 7,9MB.
See the struggle? I bet it isn't the only one.

You were talking about money, I can assure you it isn't a problem.
Valve has money, no doubt.

But Blizzard isn't poor at all, they can do w/e they want.
Google some info about Titan - there are unconfirmed infos about this game being develeped since 2007 and cancelled in 2014.
Blizzard can spend about 7 years and 50 - 150 million dollars and then just cancel such a project because they didn't feel it would be that good game.

So it wasn't about money at all. In fact, Blizzard overslept.

They knew about DotA yet they didn't show any support for the developers, they were happy that W3 is being played because of DotA and that's all.

By the years W3 was getting old and some smart ppl said "Hey, look at this W3 DotA. They got no support from Blizzard, no patches for the editor, no help. Hell, we could make some money of it. We will create our stand alone game."

And you know who were those smart ppl? Founders of Riot Games with Pendragon and Guinsoo who run LoL and make lot of money from their 70 million unique players/month.

Blizzard woke up too late and their Blizzard DotA, that was supposed to be "DotA 2" (which was already in beta testing by Valve), was cancelled and is now being made into Heroes of the Storm.

And I don't understand your last sentence where you say that the only alternative to D1 is HotS.
HotS is supposed to be something slightly different.
BUT there's DotA 2. It doesn't have same name as a game were are talking about by a coincidence...
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: cyb on December 30, 2014, 03:30
too much time to buy items hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha best excuse I've heard so far. You don't have to drop all items to complete 1 thing like in dota 1, and the rest divide said before. Holy shit. What kind of excuse is this.
Im glad that i made  you laught..but i think im to slow because i played 2-3 games its all new for me :) try to remember you first steps with d1 ;)
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Astaroth on December 30, 2014, 11:58
too much time to buy items hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha best excuse I've heard so far. You don't have to drop all items to complete 1 thing like in dota 1, and the rest divide said before. Holy shit. What kind of excuse is this.
Im glad that i made  you laught..but i think im to slow because i played 2-3 games its all new for me :) try to remember you first steps with d1 ;)
Don't missunderstand each other.

It is very easy to buy any item but I was also new and I couldn't recognize many things or even heroes :D

It just needs time to get adapted to D2, to find where what is and so on. Then you'll see that there's nothing complicated.

When shopping, just click on one part of the item and it will auto show you what other items you need or you can buy complete item by one click, not item by item :)

Forget dropping other items on ground to make space for 3 things and recipe!
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Jimmy on December 30, 2014, 13:47
Its much easyer to play D2.
It is a noob friendly game.

Probably to expand the ammount people who can play it.
And to attract less skilled players from d1 to d2 also.

Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: iNevermore on December 30, 2014, 14:03
Its much easyer to play D2.
It is a noob friendly game.

Probably to expand the ammount people who can play it.
And to attract less skilled players from d1 to d2 also.

What if I tell you LoL is even easier game to play with? Does it make League of legends better than d2 or d1?
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Jimmy on December 30, 2014, 14:37
Hmm, im never said that Any game is better than another.

Its just that more people can find themselfs in d2 or LoL than in D1.
I gave reasons in previous posts
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: iNevermore on December 30, 2014, 14:47
Alright :D
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: ColdWorld on December 30, 2014, 16:14
Its much easyer to play D2.
It is a noob friendly game.

Probably to expand the ammount people who can play it.
And to attract less skilled players from d1 to d2 also.
what?
Pls mr wayne, its same game as d1 just with reworked shop and better graphics.
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Astaroth on December 30, 2014, 17:01
Its much easyer to play D2.
It is a noob friendly game.

Probably to expand the ammount people who can play it.
And to attract less skilled players from d1 to d2 also.
what?
Pls mr wayne, its same game as d1 just with reworked shop and better graphics.
D2 is more friendly to ppl who never played W3 DotA.
Simple shopping, no need to drop items on ground to make other item, you just click on something and it shows you what further items can be made of one given piece.
It even gives you recommended items list.
You can play with coach.

In W3 DotA you are thrown in the game and deal with it, no help at all.

D2's is more confortable for experienced players as well as for new commers who would simply leave the game if they'd have no idea what to do.

All this has nothing to do with skill.
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Jimmy on December 30, 2014, 17:17
Thats what i said Astha , with another Words.

Afterall, everyone plays what best fits him.
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: cyb on December 30, 2014, 17:37
It's all about practice as well as in life
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: div.ide on December 30, 2014, 17:51
The word Astaroth and Jimmy are looking for is "accessibility". You can ride a bike without saddle - why would you do it willingly, though, is your private thing :P
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: cyb on December 30, 2014, 18:31
The word Astaroth and Jimmy are looking for is "accessibility". You can ride a bike without saddle - why would you do it willingly, though, is your private thing :P
(http://planetbike.rs/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/04807.jpg)
but first you need to ride this bike :D
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Lagi on December 30, 2014, 19:56
Cute. It was your Christmas present i guess :D
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: cyb on December 30, 2014, 23:10
Cute. It was your Christmas present i guess :D
Yap,i'm so happy :D
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: Rocka on December 31, 2014, 17:52
Its much easyer to play D2.
It is a noob friendly game.

Probably to expand the ammount people who can play it.
And to attract less skilled players from d1 to d2 also.
actually dota 2 isn't a noob friendly game, it never has been. 90%, if not more, will flame new players instead of helping them. The community there sometimes is worse than at dota 1 here
Title: Re: DotA 6.83
Post by: jeandarc on December 31, 2014, 17:54
ok rocka, we get it, you are dota2 player now, you stated that 100 times already.