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Ban & Unban Section => Complaints Board => Topic started by: Akuma on May 14, 2020, 02:59

Title: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: Akuma on May 14, 2020, 02:59: I'd like @-Aleksandar- to take a look at this, since obviously your b&u team can't do proper job.

I'll point out the so fucking many mistakes he made by not following simple guidelines. So lets start.

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Just watched a game, it was a max 1600 psr game, so not a PRO or turnament game where you can complain if some or one of your teammate doesn\t do what is expected from him

And where the actual fuck I reported this. My report was for family flame/cursing.
My EXPLANATION was given to point out his "beautiful style of playing" and to show a reason behind votekicks, BUT I NEVER REPORTED HIM FOR GAME RUIN BECAUSE I ALREADY FIGURED OUT HE IS BRAINDEAD (Do I really need to draw things here?)

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You started first with calling names

Absolute bullshit and completely wrong. He started calling everyone idiots, and ignored 3 of us. AFTER THIS I CALLED HIM "mk trash" once, BUT I SAID IT AS INFORMATION TO MY TEAMMATES AND NOT DIRECTLY TO HIM. HE IGNORED ME SO HE COULDN'T EVEN READ THOSE, SO HOW THE FUCK COULD THEY PROVOKE HIM?

"Who said what first" can be really easily checked if you simply checked the chatlog. (I am spoonfeeding this to you.)

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!votekick abuse for no reason (when I say no reason I mean there were no rules broken

He missed 2 teamfights. He ignored balanar attacking and killing enigma and later bloodseeker and instead just moved around in lothar. He completely missed another teamfight at roshan AND HE EVEN ADMITTED ON CHAT HE DID IT ON PURPOSE, AND I FUCKING PROVIDED IT AS A PROOF SO YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO CHECK IT. (because maiden "stole his kill")

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and the player whitch you wanted to kick was the best player in the game

Now you just proved to be a fucking joke.

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and you were blood with dagon for the first item, Hm ...

So if you go some alternate build thats a bad thing, once again you're a fucking joke. Crystal maiden had desolator, buriza and mkb and his gameplay was fun.

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toxic players will not be tolerated on the server anymore.

Did You just fucking say this while failing to ban a player who told me that he wishes my mother dies from corona virus, and some other HARD CURSES? Did you even check a screenshot I provided. You indeed are a fucking joke.

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I know that you would like to comment, but this case is closed.

Its closed when you make a proper decision, Aleksandar will check it now and I trust his decision will be a reasonable one, because unlike you "newbies" he has some knowledge.

first complaint: https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,191024.0.html

original ban request: https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,191016.0.html
Title: Re: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: Jimmy on May 14, 2020, 03:13: (https://media.giphy.com/media/SEp6Zq6ZkzUNW/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: -Aleksandar- on May 14, 2020, 06:40: I'll review this case in the evening [have a lot work to do today]
Title: Re: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: ksv on May 14, 2020, 08:32: Hm I think that no one from the mod staff has psychiatrist diploma, neither -Aleksandar-, or am I wrong to funk a ^^. Also man try not to use CapsLock, you from all the people should know the rules, and that this can get you banned on forum. (if I was a forum Admin I would ban you after this post) Not to mention that I don`t like your tone and that I would bitch slap you if you said all of this in my face :like a boss:, lets see what Aleksandar will say than maby I`ll make a complaint becouse rude forum users are abusing their freedom of speach, caling mods jokes ecc, and transform myself in Akuma, mg ^^

Funny proposal, maby we should call this page Complaint/Akuma and hes bots section ^^

No hard feelings I hope that you will finde the one who can satisfy your needs in the end ^^
Title: Re: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: Akuma on May 14, 2020, 10:31: OK. It seems some additional explanation is required.

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Also man try not to use CapsLock, you from all the people should know the rules, and that this can get you banned on forum. (if I was a forum Admin I would ban you after this post)

I used caps lock merely to point out some important things, not as a rage tool. 80% of my report is in normal letters.

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I would bitch slap you if you said all of this in my face
Is this a threat? Is that how b&u super mod behaves? I didn't mean to insult you, I called you a joke because your decision was not more than a joke. Anyway feel free to try and "bitch slap" me, you will realize its easier said than done.

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Funny proposal, maby we should call this page Complaint/Akuma and hes bots section

Do you have a problem with me posting a complaint about things that dissatisfy me? Isn't this what the board is for, a complaints?

Just a fucking note and a question in the end, and I really hope you answer me this correctly.

Do you understand that a player with hard cursing didn't get banned because "he got provoked".
this hard cursing came after first of the votekicks (all the other votekicks happened later, so they are irrelevant)

IF you are right, and IF I am wrong regarding provocation thing, that a SINGLE votekick triggered him into saying all these flames to me, and ending up with measly warn.
So a question is: Do I get a ban immunity for family flaming/hard cursing after someone votekicks me for whatever reason or for no reason at all, because well it provoked me so hard?
Title: Re: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: ksv on May 14, 2020, 11:39: You are funny as always ^^, I`ll try to replay at your post Akuma like (I rly didn‚t want to do this but you win I will), this aftennon I guess ^^. Cheers man
Title: Re: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: ilikedat on May 14, 2020, 12:42: I didnt wanna intervene but this ilovestanija guy is very selfish and egoist player. I played a few games with him and hes like Akuma explained.
Also have to say that i dont like this investigating proces,if someone flamed via whisp he should get banned no matter what unless he shows profs he was provoked in the same way which is not the case. Starting a votekick towards someone cannot be considered provoke if he really did something againts the team,if he did not than go ban or warn the player who did abuse the command. There have to be some clarifications about this that u call provoke.
Title: Re: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: ksv on May 14, 2020, 13:02: Hm like I said before I value Sejturas work here on LA as a staff member, 2 different mods can have 2 different oppinions on a same case, and so on, I tend to support my team members. He/s decision was based on he/s oppinon of the case, anyhow I‚ll give you my full opinion on the case soon.
Title: Re: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: Akuma on May 14, 2020, 14:32: Quote from: ksv on May 14, 2020, 13:02
Hm like I said before I value Sejturas work here on LA as a staff member, 2 different mods can have 2 different oppinions on a same case, and so on, I tend to support my team members. He/s decision was based on he/s oppinon of the case, anyhow I‚ll give you my full opinion on the case soon.

And I value sejtura's work as well, but it doesn't mean he is right here and that you should by default agree with him. Do I need to remind you who I was before, and that I am perfectly aware of any rules, and I am perfectly aware what he did right and what he did wrong.

You didn't answer this, your simple answer to this question will prove everything I said here true.
Do I get a ban immunity for family flaming/hard cursing after someone votekicks me for whatever reason or for no reason at all, because well it provoked me so hard?
Title: Re: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: luke on May 14, 2020, 14:38: Dont see why you keep posting. Dont get me wrong, i repsect all who put time in this server but no matter who you was before, the request involve you because he insulte you, so your opinion is subjective.

From what i see 2 of current staff members who know the rules too agree on 1 point, what is else to talk about? Or you want them to ban this guy just for you to stop posting about it (saw such cases in past)?
Title: Re: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: ksv on May 14, 2020, 15:26: 17:37   X-13   [Allies]   he is mk trash
20:52   X-13   [Allies]   !votekick stan
20:52      [All]   [X-13] voted to kick [ilovestanija] [1/7]
21:00   X-13   [Allies]   lets enrage him
21:00   X-13   [Allies]   ye
23:34   X-13   [Allies]   !votekick stan
23:34      [All]   [X-13] voted to kick [ilovestanija] [1/7]

Than you continue after the opposite team killed slark>
25:21      [All]   [xalis]ss90 killed ilovestanija
25:23   X-13   [Allies]   sorry
25:23   X-13   [Allies]   i was
25:25   X-13   [Allies]   reading talents
25:26   X-13   [Allies]   lol

Thirth time>
25:48   X-13   [Allies]   !votekick stan
25:48      [All]   [X-13] voted to kick [ilovestanija] [1/7]
25:48      [All]   Type !yes to vote.

Fourth time>
27:11   X-13   [Allies]   !votekick stan
27:11      [All]   [X-13] voted to kick [ilovestanija] [1/7]

Fifth time>
29:26   X-13   [Allies]   !votekick stan
29:26      [All]   [X-13] voted to kick [ilovestanija] [1/7]

Sixth time>
38:33   X-13   [Allies]   !votekick stan
38:33      [All]   [X-13] voted to kick [ilovestanija] [1/7]

38:44   X-13   [All]   kick this lothar trash please

43:03   1h42   [Allies]   !votekick stan
43:03      [All]   [1h42] voted to kick [ilovestanija] [1/7]
43:03      [All]   Type !yes to vote.
43:07   X-13   [Allies]   !yes
43:07      [All]   [X-13] voted to kick [ilovestanija] [2/8]

43:28   X-13   [All]   kick him
43:29   plox   [Allies]   dont kick him
43:30   X-13   [All]   go

Seventh time>
50:57   X-13   [Allies]   !votekick stan
50:57      [All]   [X-13] voted to kick [ilovestanija] [1/7]

It is clear that the X-13 is a very toxic player, whitch he embrace asking the rest of the team to> 21:00   X-13   [Allies]   lets enrage him, player x-13 abused the !votekick comand 7 times, 1 time the number of votes was 7/8, when probaly enraged player whitch was !votekicked sent a /w to the x-13 player, and the most unbealivable situation player x-13 makes a screen shoot of the /w and makes a ban request ...

As for the slark player, this is what he did thru all the game>
18:07   ilovestanija   [Allies]   gg
18:08   ilovestanija   [Allies]   idiots
18:10   ilovestanija   [Allies]   i play with idiots
23:07   ilovestanija   [Allies]   >> X-13 (Strygwyr) has a > Dagon Level 2
23:07      [All]   [CakigV]X-13 killed CakigV
23:08   ilovestanija   [Allies]   >> X-13 (Strygwyr) has a > Dagon Level 2
23:08   ilovestanija   [Allies]   >> X-13 (Strygwyr) has a > Dagon Level 2
23:08   ilovestanija   [Allies]   >> X-13 (Strygwyr) has a > Dagon Level 2
23:08   ilovestanija   [Allies]   >> X-13 (Strygwyr) has a > Dagon Level 2
23:08   ilovestanija   [Allies]   >> X-13 (Strygwyr) has a > Dagon Level 2
23:09   ilovestanija   [Allies]   >> X-13 (Strygwyr) has a > Dagon Level 2

The rest what Akuma, Blood with dagon and he\s inovative build considers as a rude thing or situation in whitch slark did\nt engage is just a vaste of time, becouse he did it to and made fun of it ... hypocrite or what ?
25:25 X-13 [Allies] reading talents

I compleatly agree with Sejtura sanction becouse, this was ilovestanija first offence and a !warn is more than enough, considering all your provokes.

But I would add a !ban x-13 3 days for command abuse + 4 warn points for Command abuse + National intolerance as well as. I will not aplay this sanction, but will leave it to the administration or in this case -Aleksandar-. Also a guy who was a staff member to comport like this is just a disgrace, as well as he\s wish to upgrade a overall LA community. I wont replay in this thred again. Cheers to all.
Title: Re: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: Akuma on May 14, 2020, 15:35: Quote
1 time the number of votes was 7/8, when probaly enraged player whitch was !votekicked sent a /w to the x-13 player, and the most unbealivable situation player x-13 makes a screen shoot of the /w and makes a ban request

This is exactly what i am talking about, his failure for detail is amazing, if you took 10 seconds to check proofs instead of writting a load of bullshit you'd realize.

The time on my screenshot is 24 minutes and 9 seconds.
while this happened 20 minutes after that.
43:26 [All] [BiliG] voted to kick [ilovestanija] [7/8]

Do you base your decisions on "probably" or do you actually take some facts into consideration while solve request? This is exactly you proving my point of your incapability do be in the position you're in.

You can always improve, and even earn my respect, but to do this you need to do things properly.

And yes, I'll wait for admin who will solve this as it should be solved.
Title: Re: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: Sejtura on May 14, 2020, 18:15: Player was warned by [Sejtura] on [10-05-2020 20:49:52] with reason [!warn 1 point - Family related flame !] in game [ar eu +1 1600+].

He got sanction... I don't know what else you asking for ? For the first time family flame he got warn... Next time sanction would be different. Maybe he would get more than warn if he was not provoked. I am sure he would not wisper you if you didn't provoke him.
Next thing... If someone mute you and you insult or flame that player before other teammates or enemies... You think it is not breaking Ingame Rules ? For example... Akuma mute me during game and i can use family flame, insult, votekick abuse ?? You don't see it, but it is ok for other players to see it... ??

We should all play by the rules !!

And one more thing... He got sanction for first time family flame while you did not get sanction for votekick abuse against innocent player !!

"- Starting a votekick and voting !yes against an innocent player may lead to a ban"
Title: Re: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: ClaraSchuman on May 14, 2020, 21:51: .
Title: Re: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: Akuma on May 14, 2020, 22:54: Quote
He got sanction... I don't know what else you asking for ?

Well obviously for harsher sanction, thats the point of complaining - showing a disagreement against a certain thing.

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For the first time family flame he got warn... Next time sanction would be different. Maybe he would get more than warn if he was not provoked.

Answer me the question, if someone provokes me during game, do I get ban immunity for family flaming him, and would I end up with just a warn?
I am not even to start explaining again who provoked who and why.
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I am sure he would not wisper you if you didn't provoke him.

You are sure based on what?

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If someone mute you and you insult or flame that player before other teammates or enemies... You think it is not breaking Ingame Rules ?

You want to ban me for saying "mk trash" once, and you keep pointing out that somehow I broke the rules, while failing to ban him for 1000x worse thing.

Sure go ahead if saying "mk trash" thing is bannable, ban me.

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And one more thing... He got sanction for first time family flame while you did not get sanction for votekick abuse against innocent player !!

I explained several times already why my votekicks were a valid thing to do, yet somehow you all fail to read my posts I suppose.

Btw those lil rules you're quoting are kinda reworked by me, so I am more than familiar with them.

I don't know why you get it personal, you're not the first nor the last mod to make a mistake. Mistakes simply happen, and instead of fighting and keeping your own wrong opinion you could've just agreed you made a mistake and fixed it.
This is probably not even the last time I will complain on your or some other moderator decision in order to improve yourselves or if I feel you are not investing enough of your time in these requests.
Title: Re: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: luke on May 14, 2020, 23:08: Quote
Btw those lil rules you're quoting are kinda reworked by me, so I am more than familiar with them.

Idk why you keep appealing to your "authority", if im not mistaken in past was even worse than you think is now and you keep spamming everywhere and not even warned.

Admins spent a lot of time to recheck this decision idk what else you want. I though the point of b&u section is to take a fair decision not to discuss until they meet decision which satistfy you
Title: Re: Complaint about ksv decision
Post by: -Aleksandar- on May 15, 2020, 12:29: Every person involved in this topic are old members [staff members] who did a lot of good things for the server and our small community and after reading all this im trying to hold myself not to start giving ban/mute on forum for every single one who wants to make drama and chaos from unknown reasons.

About deer squad gameplay
I would really like to have at least 20% of players on our platform who have that fun and unstressed style of gameplay,but sadly that's not going to happend.

Player who Akuma reported for Family flame/Cursing didn't had opportunity to play like that and his only goal is to win a game by any mean necessary and he can easily be triggered to flame,curse etc..

There were few situations in that game when he was provoked with Slark's moves and later on with !Votekick command and that was the reason he flamed and cursed his family and Im sure he could expect such things in that game im sure of it.

But i want to be clear,IT CANT be the reason to insult someone's family.

When Moderator goes to solve requests for [Family flame,Cursing,Insulting and similar] he can't just ban someone based on SS or chat copied from that game,he need to go threw all game and to try finding situations which caused it.
In this case Moderator found few situations that can be considered as provoking and solved request as he think it should be solved.

As im directly involved in this complaint i'll resolve that ban request and i'll put big . on all this drama

!Closed