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Title: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: cen on February 17, 2023, 18:26
Things changed since we last had a discussion about this and it is time to finally do something about it.

This poll is a consultation, staff will decide what we do after the poll ends.

Votes with less than 10 forum posts and accounts newer than 1.1.2023 won't count in the final tally.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: No_LiFeR_xD on February 17, 2023, 21:27
Hello to everyone
Me as a player who playing active dota 1 and i play v6 and version 7
I have to say  It's time to leave v6 version.

V7 is better map and with less bugs

Other players should try new version 1 or 2 montha and they will see there is not a big difference. (Btw v7 is better map)
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: luke on February 17, 2023, 21:57
So this is like 3rd poll about v6 vs v7

For people who have doubt about the bugginess i present this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3eSCNe8aCQ&list=PLQ86EiuMXe04cc8Zo4u9MD_pajztgTcjc&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqjsTtZ4EV0&list=PLQ86EiuMXe04cc8Zo4u9MD_pajztgTcjc&index=8

In before
Corristo: REEEE, v7 is dota 2 for kids
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: No_LiFeR_xD on February 18, 2023, 00:30
@God @bewater What you vote for fellas?
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: Nemesys_Virus on February 18, 2023, 02:50
As tricky as it is...this is a double edge decision.Most of the people that like and want progress already left on other platform.I can play v6 and v7 without any problem.The thing is that here for a V7 game you have to wait aprox 10-20mins to gather 10 players but for a V6 you dont have to wait more than 5 mins.Buggs you can find on both maps.This Poll will probably bring everyone back OR will make people leave for good.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: Mustafa15 on February 18, 2023, 10:32
imo this can kill Lagabuse  :(
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: hsakuragi on February 18, 2023, 12:20
Let me tell you again the difference between v6 and v7. v6 gold and experience per minute gain higher. For this reason, games usually end between 25-45 minutes. Item selections are also more team-fight oriented. So little but effective farm so much fight. In V7, on the other hand, because it works like the gold gain alchemist skill, more farm is needed. So more farm, less fight and long games. For example, as the first three items, if you play ursa in v6, you will get boots dagger mask to dominate the early game. In V7, boots fury and mask to farm fast. As you know, Dota is a game that constantly updates versions and makes certain heroes meta in version. Unfortunately, certain heroes are in this meta and are strong in V6. It's boring to play with the same hereos, it's a fact. Therefore, having both maps loaded means a larger hero pool. For example, you like two heroes, Lich and Trax. If you prefer the v6 version when you want to play lich, or the v7 version when you want to play trax, you will have played the meta heroes of both maps. As a v6 player, a bug-fixed v6 version would be the ideal choice for me. If I were to play V7, I would prefer a community with more players, obviously, or I would play dota 2, which is even more logical and similar. As a suggestion, you can keep the v6 v7 statistics separately, or one season v6 and the other season v7 map can be played.i think the most logical one single map game is like dota eurobattle v6 fixed version.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: luke on February 18, 2023, 12:35
I think we need to add third map to the poll: modded 6.73d with bug fixes from iccup. Its the original ice frogs map, not dota 2 copy like 6.9 and 7.00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS_l1XyrDX4
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: begin on February 18, 2023, 19:34
Quote from: No_LiFeR_xD on February 17, 2023, 21:27
Hello to everyone
Me as a player who playing active dota 1 and i play v6 and version 7
I have to say  It's time to leave v6 version.

V7 is better map and with less bugs

Other players should try new version 1 or 2 montha and they will see there is not a big difference. (Btw v7 is better map)
This is very correct, I totally agree. 6.9 is bugged and less interesting than 7.0.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: Corristo on February 18, 2023, 21:26
Voted for the more active map. Played by the majority of top 50 players. Nuff said.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: Kyoo on February 19, 2023, 03:57
v6 should be over along time ago.
People will get used to it fast and will play it. And when they do, they wont play v6 anymore.
U can try take it out for 1 month, then put it back again and u will see.
V7 is a easier version , this is my opinion. Even @ksv gets items there.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: ksv on February 19, 2023, 09:03
Well v6 is old school, when I enter v7 my eyes wants to explode, becouse different place the info about the gold ecc.. is placed, the colours and textures are flashy, to adopt maby possible, but at the moment no 10x ^^
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: F1AME- on February 19, 2023, 15:37
v6 is better i think the bugs on v6 dont compare to the bugs on v7 morph is unstoppable if u dont know to stop him lows will build retard items lycan is insane map looks nice but its more fast pace i think v6 is better just needs a fix dota 2 is dying cuz dogs make it new more patches more heroes more dog shit items i think just update the v6 bugs
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: AntlermanXXL on February 19, 2023, 15:51
I am enjoying how people who are making arguments without any punctuation and grammar are making arguments for one or another map and it will actually be considered here really amazing have a nice day and also i am a deer wow who could have thought dont know cant imagine bye
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: BuyukUstad on February 19, 2023, 18:29
You can play V7 in other platforms but we can play v6 only in lagabuse. Also majority playing v6. So, removing v6 doesn't make sense to me
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: modoror on February 19, 2023, 18:33
Quote from: begin on February 18, 2023, 19:34
Quote from: No_LiFeR_xD on February 17, 2023, 21:27
Hello to everyone
Me as a player who playing active dota 1 and i play v6 and version 7
I have to say  It's time to leave v6 version.

V7 is better map and with less bugs

Other players should try new version 1 or 2 montha and they will see there is not a big difference. (Btw v7 is better map)
This is very correct, I totally agree. 6.9 is bugged and less interesting than 7.0.
Yea dude 7.0 is very interesting, that's why all the people play more popular map.
How many 7.0 games today, zero (0)?

(https://i.imgur.com/OTszrJO.png)

Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: AntlermanXXL on February 19, 2023, 20:11
Quote from: BuyukUstad on February 19, 2023, 18:29
You can play V7 in other platforms but we can play v6 only in lagabuse. Also majority playing v6. So, removing v6 doesn't make sense to me
I would not describe what they are doing on v6 with 'play' word xd
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: Dev1 on February 19, 2023, 20:14
This server should continue with the final map of (partially) classic dota. [Balance changes must be made and bugs must be fixed.]. V7 and above is a completely different and too far from classic.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: F1AME- on February 19, 2023, 20:18
its simple if i wanted to play v7 id go to rgc
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: ghe on February 19, 2023, 22:58
I personally like v7 more, but like playing on eurobattlenet, I already am familiar with most of the players. I'm old and I don't want to change servers :)
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: BuyukUstad on February 19, 2023, 23:57
Quote from: AntlermanXXL on February 19, 2023, 20:11
Quote from: BuyukUstad on February 19, 2023, 18:29
You can play V7 in other platforms but we can play v6 only in lagabuse. Also majority playing v6. So, removing v6 doesn't make sense to me
I would not describe what they are doing on v6 with 'play' word xd

we can arrange an all star match between v6 and v7 players on your map and see who will "play" bro :D
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: AntlermanXXL on February 20, 2023, 07:48
Quote from: BuyukUstad on February 19, 2023, 23:57
Quote from: AntlermanXXL on February 19, 2023, 20:11
Quote from: BuyukUstad on February 19, 2023, 18:29
You can play V7 in other platforms but we can play v6 only in lagabuse. Also majority playing v6. So, removing v6 doesn't make sense to me
I would not describe what they are doing on v6 with 'play' word xd

we can arrange an all star match between v6 and v7 players on your map and see who will "play" bro :D

Maybe it means nothing here, but i got top 1300 on Dota2 in EU;
Could go higher, but stopped playing for a while, due to my new interests;
It took me a whole lot of learning, because literally nothing that you do for the win here works in Dota 2;

With this, let's say extended and even more deep than before knowledge, games in Dota1, does not matter, v6 or v7, are looking like a complete clown fest to me, a lot of absolutely inefficent and self-losing actions on the map;

> we can arrange an all star match between v6 and v7 players on your map
A year ago there was very similar disscussion, and there was a *Corristo* gameplayer, who was saying the very similar - like, 'come to play our v6 game and see who is the real pro';
And i played like 10 games with/agaisnt him in 'high skill' games;
There was literally nothing to be proud of, people are running on the map with absolutely weird and inefficient actions, just like players on v7;
And in response to my arguments about bad gameplay, he was only laughing and sorrying;


Players on v6 are not any better than players on v7, and v7 players are most likely are not that much better than players on v6, regardless of what they speak;

I personally prefer either v7, either last map (that was not really bugged) by IceFrog - 6.74c;
I do not like v6 because it has some not-well-balanced things (can list some of them later, if you want), and some game breaking bugs (Tusk's insane ult damage for example; or damage stacking for riki; or invulnerable Xin)

Yet, it does not make me think bad of anybody, i love that you guys are still playing dota, does not matter what map you are playing;
So we can still play the game in 2023 which is just amazing;
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: Corristo on February 20, 2023, 08:54
A game between v6 and v7 players was asked by a v7 player not by me. Falsifying stuff like your master Putin I see. Stop lying around here.

"And in response to my arguments about bad gameplay, he was only laughing and sorrying;"

-When did I laugh and said sorry? Are you living in fantasy world little mobik?
You comparing yourself to me, is like me comparing myself to rl-valter. Whats the point? There is always somebody better, you could compare yourself to dota2 pros, but you don't. Why? Because you love to bully smaller/weaker players. Typical russian behavior.

Go and compare yourself to dota2 pros if you are big boy. Oh wait... you are trash on that level. I forgot.

I will say sorry ONLY the day I see you perform well in a professional Dota2 tournament. Until that day, shut the fuck up and stop bragging.

Secondly, @cen can we ignore the votes/opinions of those players who are basically inactive on this server? Like this russian mobik.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: AntlermanXXL on February 20, 2023, 09:59
Quote from: Corristo on February 20, 2023, 08:54
A game between v6 and v7 players was asked by a v7 player not by me. Falsifying stuff like your master Putin I see. Stop lying around here.

"And in response to my arguments about bad gameplay, he was only laughing and sorrying;"

-When did I laugh and said sorry? Are you living in fantasy world little mobik?
You comparing yourself to me, is like me comparing myself to rl-valter. Whats the point? There is always somebody better, you could compare yourself to dota2 pros, but you don't. Why? Because you love to bully smaller/weaker players. Typical russian behavior.

Go and compare yourself to dota2 pros if you are big boy. Oh wait... you are trash on that level. I forgot.

I will say sorry ONLY the day I see you perform well in a professional Dota2 tournament. Until that day, shut the fuck up and stop bragging.

Secondly, @cen can we ignore the votes/opinions of those players who are basically inactive on this server? Like this russian mobik.

Didn`t i say i do not care about being 'pro' because of being busy with other interests, sir? :-D
Why are you the one who is being rude once again in such thread?
I am not saying 'you are all losers because i am better', and would never say so;
I could be better at one thing, while you could surpass me in another thing, that's why it has no sense to compare persons;

I am not bragging as well, i just added a context to clarify what i mean; Because it is not really 'playing', when people randomly ruin the game on their own, all of them, but then being mad on others in every game, flaming, reporting and stuff;

This is why i found it funny (and quite sad at the same time); There was no bragging intended;

upd:
And back to this,
> When did I laugh and said sorry?
Well, a year ago, when i played with you? If ':D' was not laughing, then sorry, i misinterpret common things
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: Corristo on February 20, 2023, 10:42
-So you could be pro, but you have other interests right? :D No sir, we both know that on professional Dota2 your skill is simply not enough. Otherwise you would be playing in professional Dota2 tournaments, which you don't. So either you are lying, OR you are dogshit compared to real pros.

-"Why are you the one who is being rude once again in such thread?" -> why is you the one who mentions me once again in an insulting context?
You must have some real mother-complexity issues if you have to express your bully behavior on a dota forum.

-I am not saying 'you are all losers because i am better', and would never say so; -> this is exactly what you were saying in your previous post. Simply bragging.

-"Well, a year ago, when i played with you? If ':D' was not laughing, then sorry, i misinterpred common things" -> again no proof. Give a ":D" with context so everybody can see what you are talking about (even I can't remember this) or just simply stop backing up your words with more lies.

Stop lying and embarassing yourself Deer.

Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: iamnotrobot on February 21, 2023, 08:38
v7 is better OFC !!! v6 is not balanced.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: hsakuragi on February 21, 2023, 14:08
Quote from: AntlermanXXL on February 20, 2023, 07:48
Quote from: BuyukUstad on February 19, 2023, 23:57
Quote from: AntlermanXXL on February 19, 2023, 20:11
Quote from: BuyukUstad on February 19, 2023, 18:29
You can play V7 in other platforms but we can play v6 only in lagabuse. Also majority playing v6. So, removing v6 doesn't make sense to me
I would not describe what they are doing on v6 with 'play' word xd

we can arrange an all star match between v6 and v7 players on your map and see who will "play" bro :D

Maybe it means nothing here, but i got top 1300 on Dota2 in EU;
Could go higher, but stopped playing for a while, due to my new interests;
It took me a whole lot of learning, because literally nothing that you do for the win here works in Dota 2;

With this, let's say extended and even more deep than before knowledge, games in Dota1, does not matter, v6 or v7, are looking like a complete clown fest to me, a lot of absolutely inefficent and self-losing actions on the map;

> we can arrange an all star match between v6 and v7 players on your map
A year ago there was very similar disscussion, and there was a *Corristo* gameplayer, who was saying the very similar - like, 'come to play our v6 game and see who is the real pro';
And i played like 10 games with/agaisnt him in 'high skill' games;
There was literally nothing to be proud of, people are running on the map with absolutely weird and inefficient actions, just like players on v7;
And in response to my arguments about bad gameplay, he was only laughing and sorrying;


Players on v6 are not any better than players on v7, and v7 players are most likely are not that much better than players on v6, regardless of what they speak;

I personally prefer either v7, either last map (that was not really bugged) by IceFrog - 6.74c;
I do not like v6 because it has some not-well-balanced things (can list some of them later, if you want), and some game breaking bugs (Tusk's insane ult damage for example; or damage stacking for riki; or invulnerable Xin)

Yet, it does not make me think bad of anybody, i love that you guys are still playing dota, does not matter what map you are playing;
So we can still play the game in 2023 which is just amazing;
A little off topic but I can confirm that this guy is not immortal //d2 rank //. You can buy an Immortal account but you can't play like an immortal unfortunately maximum ancient ///much lower rank///:( . Let's fix this.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: AGENT on February 21, 2023, 15:18
Quote from: hsakuragi on February 21, 2023, 14:08
A little off topic but I can confirm that this guy is not immortal //d2 rank //.
I'd like too see that.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: modoror on February 21, 2023, 15:37
Quote from: iamnotrobot on February 21, 2023, 08:38
v7 is better OFC !!! v6 is not balanced.
Of course it is.

(https://i.imgur.com/5x5NTfR.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/WgsbbcU.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/0byr8O3.png)
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: VanGogh on February 21, 2023, 15:52
v6 for sure no matter how much is bugged. I beleive 50% of players will quit dota if there is only v7. I personally dont like changes at things I used to do. Honestly, if theres only v7 to choose it would be the end of my 15+years roaming on this server jorney.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: AGENT on February 21, 2023, 16:05
Quote from: VanGogh on February 21, 2023, 15:52
v6 for sure no matter how much is bugged. I beleive 50% of players will quit dota if there is only v7. I personally dont like changes at things I used to do. Honestly, if theres only v7 to choose it would be the end of my 15+years roaming on this server jorney.
I disagree. They are addicted to this game/server. :D
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: luke on February 21, 2023, 16:34
To summarize arguments:

v7:
+ can receive updates and bug fixes (unless dracolich will be sent to the front ofc)
+ more dynamic (but thats not + for some players)
+ more quality of life: you get free courier, hotkeys, overlay with heroes ulti cds and respawn timers
- hard to get used to for some players
- still has some bugs but much less than v6 (only necro bug is serious, other mostly cosmetic)
- some heroes not balanced: magina

v6:
+ less dynamic but higher demand for stratetic thinking: you lose more gold when you die, slower respawn, harder to farm which makes you think before making a move and generally play more carefully
+ convenient because you are used to it
- will probably never be updated
- has serious bugs like riki, tuskar, spectre
- some heroes not balanced: tuskar (because of bug), visage, leoric

Ofc v6 is played more often and v7 almost never but its funny how fast people forget things. Few years ago when the map was updated from icefrogs 6.73 i think to newest dracolich map everybody was crying about new map being shit too and that its dota 2 copy and that they will stop playing cuz server dead now.

(https://preview.redd.it/i-really-hope-that-the-patch-will-be-so-crazy-that-this-v0-oo1z2nufqaj81.png?auto=webp&s=16440b9d5ac774162517477957ea3fcbd75ca580)
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: begin on February 22, 2023, 10:48
Quote from: VanGogh on February 21, 2023, 15:52
v6 for sure no matter how much is bugged. I beleive 50% of players will quit dota if there is only v7. I personally dont like changes at things I used to do. Honestly, if theres only v7 to choose it would be the end of my 15+years roaming on this server jorney.
hahhaha 50% will quit? My estimate is 5% tops.

I recall I was one of those who hated 7.0 when it first came out because suddenly I was not as good at it as I was at 6.9 and there were too many changes at once.

But I played 20-30 games of 7.0 and discovered new interesting meta and talents and never came back to 6.9. Now I couldn´t play 6.9 coz it´s too boring. :D
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: iamnotrobot on February 22, 2023, 12:14
ı agree to you bro but 6.90 players never accept thıs  :laugh: because they want to play good as well lıke 6.90  but ıf you dont play 1-2 week you never lıke thıs map :S:S:S its too bad  8)
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: LEA^ on February 22, 2023, 16:13
You can't compare v7 to v6 because of many factors:

1 - The gameplay is MUCH MORE balanced, and this map will get updated normally and talents are good, the overall GUI of the entire game is easier to navigate (Not Dota 2, but between v6 and Dota 2)
2 - The heroes are much more balanced, and there are zero bugs that anyone used at this server.
3 - The option to increase the FPS is maybe the first reason why it should be switched. You just edit the registry, find Blizzard->Warcraft->Video edit lockfb from 1 to 0, change the resolution to your screen and adjust the refresh rate. In the settings (top left) click Visual and delete the Wait for Vertical Sync, and slide both limiters on the right. Now congratulations, you are enjoying a 200+ FPS game on a War3 engine.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: begin on February 22, 2023, 18:32
OOOOOOOOO voting closed 70 won hopefully we see 69 killed for good. The only 69 we should ever play is u know what, friends
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: Happy.. on February 22, 2023, 20:33
A few years ago, when v7 was introduced, there was a poll in which v7 won too. Let's see how this one goes.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: cen on February 22, 2023, 23:17
I will filter the votes according to first post and then we will have a nice little discussion with staff.

My 2 cents on the topic, now that the poll is over.. decision is harder because we have no idea if d1stats is still alive and v7 will receive any updates at all. Then you have to judge maps on their own merit and not on hopes one will get updates. Some of the comments were helpful in that regard.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: orotel on February 22, 2023, 23:30
Holy shit, I can't believe you guys suffer so much for not having enough players to play. Lets face it, only few play version 7 shit and these are small groups. Estimated remaining version 7 players is bellow 30.
The only real voting is on stats page. Version 7 takes 5-10% of Ladder dota games. Stats page never lied. Keep making new accounts and call inactive players to vote. Face it version 7 will never be active map.
If admin is crazy enough to think about removal of the most active map on his platform then this gaming platform should go down once for good.
Its enough to say on last 10 Dota Ladder pages there are 3 pages with only 6.9 map, and on 2 more pages is 1-2 games of version 7. On other pages there are few version 7 games, it total it never goes above 10%.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: luke on February 22, 2023, 23:32
Personally i dont understand why the decision is hard. The difference between v6 and v7 is even less than between last icefrog's map and first dracolich's map. But back then nobody made polls and asked players if they wanted update. Everybody was crying for the first 1-2 weeks too, then all got used to it. I would understand if people couldnt choose between icefrog's and dracolich's map. The first is oldschool dota, second is going dota 2 direction. But deciding between v6 and v7 seems stupid because its literally same map with some changes in interface and terrain.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: orotel on February 22, 2023, 23:52
What is the reason behind this event? On one side most of the players play one map and on another small groups wants to play another. Now small group is not satisfied because they can't make a game. At first it was 20-30 minutes to make new game, now it seems there is just no interest for version 7 games unless if some small group organize to play, and these games are with poor quality. thesnn seems famous version 7 host and his group is the most active.
If its small difference between these maps then why more than 90% of ladder games are 6.9 map games - half of these who are against more popular map are not active players.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: luke on February 23, 2023, 00:23
People play the map they are used too. On iccup 100% players play 6.83 map. On rgc 100% players play v7 map, wow. From the other side its clear that most who wanted to play v7 already moved to rgc because not everyone is ready to wait 1 hour for game

(https://i.ibb.co/jRhyvLM/1233.png)
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: begin on February 23, 2023, 09:45
Quote from: luke on February 23, 2023, 00:23
People play the map they are used too. On iccup 100% players play 6.83 map. On rgc 100% players play v7 map, wow. From the other side its clear that most who wanted to play v7 already moved to rgc because not everyone is ready to wait 1 hour for game

(https://i.ibb.co/jRhyvLM/1233.png)

yeah well explain hopefully even orotel gets this one.

Also if you choose 7 go straight for 7.03b, the most stable one with fixed bugs (also played on other platforms by many)
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: Rob_Real on February 23, 2023, 19:55
What is the problem to leave it as it is? All in all D1 is a game for oldfags, so what is the point to remove any of these maps?
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: pastmistake on February 24, 2023, 09:10
Crazy stuff in here  :boy:

Let me toss my 2 cents in the pit (as someone who have seen the transition from 6>7 enough times on enough places).

THE MAIN REASON why people reject "new" is because they are comfortable with their current skill level. They are afraid of losing their place in the ladder and amongst peers. It has nothing to do with map being this way or that way. Learning new things is "hard" after the age of 20+ (applicable not only to dota). By comparison is you playing 4years getting better at CS:GO, nailing headshots right and left and then you are forced to change the mouse.

THE MAIN REASON why people want the "new" is because they uncovered and used all the tricks and knowledge in current state. They need something / an update to keep them on their toes. New stuff to discover, to re-kindle their love for dota and not play on auto-pilot mode. (this is me; .. I'm currently bored of 7.03b2, been waiting for 4months to switch to 7.04b0). Because I wanna test new builds, create/reshape the meta, experiment.

As for "u change map, I stop playing dota" it never happens. NEVER. Dota is our drug, always has been. If you don't realize that, just remember last time when u got banned and you were counting the minutes before unban.

tl;dr: Players who say new map is shit, without proper proof, are simply the kind of people who play a hero x100 times and improve nothing; learn nothing. Same level, same strategy, same item build. Zero flexibility. The new map is a breath of fresh air.

SIDENOTES:
1. Rest assured DracoL1ch is continuing with his updates (all be it in a harsh context of war and impracticalities). Though can't see why is this ever a reason to upgrade/not upgrade , since you;'re talking about 6.90 (2019) ... hello 2023? and there are plenty solid/stable versions since then; all of them more stable than 6.90

2. Iccup not only plays 6.83 but it's also a spin-off on Draco's map. It's not official. Also they cannot easily update their map, cause they are selling their own iccup skins, so they inhouse develop map. They do not have the desire/knowledge of Draco's team, so they cannot improve/update map that often. Iccup is pure communism. People have no say and they are wrongly mislead in believing their map version is ok. Icccup (like Gplay) are milking clients. Closed-loop/enviroment benefits them. Here are a few examples: they don't have widescreen-support, they don;t have zoom support. Features that do not change how the map is played, but are a modern necessity.

3. New map(s) along the visible updates/changelogs also have under-the-hood upgrades. Example: detailed statistics that can be picked off the hostbot and parsers; improved localized performance; updates to GUI;

4. If it helps the administration to move forward, I can enable and open the beta statistics collector (dotabuff for dota1) for lagabuse. https://d1map.net/stats (https://d1map.net/stats)
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: iamnotrobot on February 24, 2023, 09:22
1. Rest assured DracoL1ch is continuing with his updates (all be it in a harsh context of war and impracticalities). Though can't see why is this ever a reason to upgrade/not upgrade , since you;'re talking about 6.90 (2019) ... hello 2023? and there are plenty solid/stable versions since then; all of them more stable than 6.90   (THAT'S FUCKİNGG CORRECT !!!! )  GOOD JOB !
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: begin on February 24, 2023, 10:26
Make it 7.0 or I stop playing dota after 18 years! Don't test me!
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: hsakuragi on February 24, 2023, 12:04
both maps already exist. i dont understand what kind of problem do we have about it? v7 players crying in the forum need v6 players to fill the lobby? Is this the full explanation :D
+the game you've been playing for 20 years, I don't know what you're talking about :D
+an old-school dota-loving crowd is in the ice cup. Those who like the version adapted to Dota 2 also play rgc.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: iamnotrobot on February 24, 2023, 12:23
LA need some update totally !!!!! v6 players never play v7 but v7 plays both .
Thats why all v7 games with same players same heroes and v7 lobbies need 20-30 minutes minimum for start !!!(in daytime never play v7 ın thıs server thıs ıs horrible ) thıs server goıng to be dead if continue like this !!
Someone should be do something about that realyy !!!
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: No_LiFeR_xD on February 24, 2023, 12:42
Guys give me one reason why we should stay on v6?

Does any of these players who plays v6 even tryed 1 month play version7.
Belive me, if you just play 1 month, you will see that is not a big difference and you will finaly see how team map looks like.

Regards from legend!

V7 and GG
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: iamnotrobot on February 24, 2023, 14:41
Quote from: No_LiFeR_xD on February 24, 2023, 12:42
Guys give me one reason why we should stay on v6?

Does any of these players who plays v6 even tryed 1 month play version7.
Belive me, if you just play 1 month, you will see that is not a big difference and you will finaly see how team map looks like.

Regards from legend!

V7 and GG
this is the best and biggest solution !!! thx No_lifer_xD
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: pastmistake on February 24, 2023, 15:45
Well as I said. From personal experience you're not the only ones that confronted with this situation. Similar was on RGC, and the most anti-update were the Peru and Bolivia communities. Europe was first on the band-wagon. Regardless.. now everyone admits update is ok.

Also I noted that in current top 10 ladder, analyzing stats, there are close to literally 0 GOD (carry) players. Maybe I`m wrong, but I'm really into stats and numbers.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: begin on February 24, 2023, 16:08
Quote from: pastmistake on February 24, 2023, 15:45
Well as I said. From personal experience you're not the only ones that confronted with this situation. Similar was on RGC, and the most anti-update were the Peru and Bolivia communities. Europe was first on the band-wagon. Regardless.. now everyone admits update is ok.

Also I noted that in current top 10 ladder, analyzing stats, there are close to literally 0 GOD (carry) players. Maybe I`m wrong, but I'm really into stats and numbers.
Yes I heard God stopped playing
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: F1AME- on February 24, 2023, 16:46
Quote from: No_LiFeR_xD on February 24, 2023, 12:42
Guys give me one reason why we should stay on v6?

Does any of these players who plays v6 even tryed 1 month play version7.
Belive me, if you just play 1 month, you will see that is not a big difference and you will finaly see how team map looks like.

Regards from legend!

V7 and GG
all playres on v7 are dog shit and the ones that arent spam dog unbalanced heroes
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: luke on February 24, 2023, 20:03
Quote
all playres on v7 are dog shit and the ones that arent spam dog unbalanced heroes

(https://i.ibb.co/5MYqtHq/Risitas.jpg)
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: iamnotrobot on February 24, 2023, 20:07
Quote from: F1AME- on February 24, 2023, 16:46
Quote from: No_LiFeR_xD on February 24, 2023, 12:42
Guys give me one reason why we should stay on v6?

Does any of these players who plays v6 even tryed 1 month play version7.
Belive me, if you just play 1 month, you will see that is not a big difference and you will finaly see how team map looks like.

Regards from legend!

V7 and GG
all playres on v7 are dog shit and the ones that arent spam dog unbalanced heroes
i think your hero didnt give bone to you thats why you are lıke maddog :/
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: modoror on February 24, 2023, 21:27
Quote from: begin on February 24, 2023, 10:26
Make it 7.0 or I stop playing dota after 18 years! Don't test me!
(https://i.imgur.com/gEvAMrV.jpg)
Goodbye my lover
Goodbye my friend
You have been the one
You have been the one for me
We've had our doubts but now we're fine
And I love you, I swear that's true
I cannot live without you!
You are tested. Now stop and go already. I promise you You will be forgotten! .i.

Quote from: F1AME- on February 24, 2023, 16:46
Quote from: No_LiFeR_xD on February 24, 2023, 12:42
Guys give me one reason why we should stay on v6?
all playres on v7 are dog shit and the ones that arent spam dog unbalanced heroes
True story bro. How many v7 games in last few days. +1 for your wise words  ;D

Quote from: hsakuragi on February 24, 2023, 12:04
both maps already exist. i dont understand what kind of problem do we have about it? v7 players crying in the forum need v6 players to fill the lobby? Is this the full explanation :D
v7 brotherhood of sadness, they need to wait for hours to have 1 game :''(

Quote from: pastmistake on February 24, 2023, 15:45
Well as I said. From personal experience you're not the only ones that confronted with this situation. Similar was on RGC, and the most anti-update were the Peru and Bolivia communities. Europe was first on the band-wagon. Regardless.. now everyone admits update is ok.

Also I noted that in current top 10 ladder, analyzing stats, there are close to literally 0 GOD (carry) players. Maybe I`m wrong, but I'm really into stats and numbers.
You are very wrong at numbers sooo why don't you move back to Columbia or Peru where you belongs? And move back to RGC to update yourself, you will be forgotten I promise. And tell us why all the people stopped to play v7, how many of you still play, 15, 20? :peace:
Something is very wrong here, don't ya think?

Lets replace v7 map with LTD, this will bring back many old players, dotaeurobattle needs exclusive LTD map. Everyone will be Happy.. this is my promise.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: HowTo... on February 25, 2023, 20:40
I just wonder many of those who voted for "Both" are actually v7 players or, like myself, v6 players who don`t mind v7 map as an option for those who wish to play it.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: modoror on February 26, 2023, 01:40
Quote from: HowTo... on February 25, 2023, 20:40
I just wonder many of those who voted for "Both" are actually v7 players or, like myself, v6 players who don`t mind v7 map as an option for those who wish to play it.

I can say for sure all who voted for both maps are v6.9 only players, or players who play both maps. Why would anyone who play v6 be against 2 maps after all this time, it is normal now, you play what you want. And the winner after all this time is? - You play what you want to play and with more than 90% of games lately v6.9 is undisputedly main map on this gaming platform with largest percent of games compared with all other games.

The thing is almost all v7 players already left because they can't gather 10 players to start the game. How many of them still remaining? Up to 30 players max with mixed level of skills and half of them play both maps. Does it effect ladder? -Of course it does because v7 games are less competitive now. Who is the best v7 player atm? -gHe #20

- Check for example No_LiFeR_xD who is against v6.9, atm last 30 games he played are v6.9.
- On other side pastmistake is representative of RGC community, inactive player with ban history when he was active. How it comes to this, now RGC player opinion is relevant?
- begin is also inactive player, he is openly advertising RGC community as next destination for v7 players with 10000 players, see yourself if you don't believe me
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,201417.msg714284.html#msg714284
This is his recommendation "Take rgc, where they update latest map automatically and 10 000+ players are ok with that. "

And fun fact, more people who posted something in this topic are for v6.9. Not to mention how many players play v6.9, with at least 100 games daily. On other side v7 can be compared with other custom games with 3-10 games daily. Its 1 game per few hours. Satisfaction guaranteed.
Arrivederci!!!
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: begin on February 26, 2023, 10:18
Quote
- Check for example No_LiFeR_xD who is against v6.9, atm last 30 games he played are v6.9.

That is correct and at the same time he plays 7.0 with me and many others on another platform (where new maps are updated automatically).

You people say making 7.0 the only playable map here would make some people quit but the truth is it would make some people also return back. :)

Anyway modoror you seem like a player who gets outplayed by neutral creeps so expect no more replies from me to your superficial and weak arguments.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: Corristo on February 26, 2023, 10:54
Or there is the possibility that v6 players will simply stop playing on this server, so v7 players still won't have anyone to play with here and the server dies. Btw did anyone notice that v6 players don't mind if anyone plays v7, but it's always the v7 players demanding to remove v6? I wonder why...
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: rL-Valter on February 26, 2023, 13:00
how can I vote for V6?
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: HowTo... on February 26, 2023, 14:28
Quote from: rL-Valter on February 26, 2023, 13:00
how can I vote for V6?
voting already closed
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: modoror on February 26, 2023, 15:49
Quote from: begin on February 26, 2023, 10:18
Quote
- Check for example No_LiFeR_xD who is against v6.9, atm last 30 games he played are v6.9.
That is correct and at the same time he plays 7.0 with me and many others on another platform (where new maps are updated automatically).
Since everything is so perfect on another platform (RGC) and you have many friends over there, why don't you stay there with your friends? 10 000 v7 players, its real heaven for you and for your friends. It must be no longer than 1 minute to start the game, isn't it? Take rgc, where they update latest map automatically and 10 000+ players are ok with that.  (https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,201417.msg714284.html#msg714284)

Quote from: begin on February 26, 2023, 10:18
You people say making 7.0 the only playable map here would make some people quit but the truth is it would make some people also return back. :)
The truth is its much better option v7.0 to disappear from this server for good. These who already left NEVER GAVE 0 fuck about dota.eurobattle, its obvious you know its true. How many years of v7.0, - 3, 4? Where are your friends? Why don't they play here, they had choice and they left for good. So 20-30 of you remaining, on your place I would move on with life.

Quote from: begin on February 26, 2023, 10:18
Anyway modoror you seem like a player who gets outplayed by neutral creeps so expect no more replies from me to your superficial and weak arguments.
At least I gave valid arguments, what are yours? No offense, You can not connect 2 sentences, I don't know is that your lacking of education, your falling in your own lies or something else. My parrot can speak and he can give better arguments than you can do. Seriously in each of your posts all you learned so far to say is mocking others, how they are bad players, how they are noobs, how they have weak arguments, but only truth is You don't have valid arguments at all and you are irrelevant. All what you want is to kill this place, there are at least 20x more v6.9 players and they don't give a shit about your wishes.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: modoror on February 26, 2023, 16:01
Quote from: Corristo on February 26, 2023, 10:54
Or there is the possibility that v6 players will simply stop playing on this server, so v7 players still won't have anyone to play with here and the server dies. Btw did anyone notice that v6 players don't mind if anyone plays v7, but it's always the v7 players demanding to remove v6? I wonder why...
This is alternate reality in worst scenario, not possibility its something what is going to happen in worst scenario, then not more than 5-10 ladder games daily for days, then for weeks until the last remaining v7 players move to gaming platform with 10000 active v7 players - RGC. That is idea behind this topic and aggressive approach of few who wants so badly to remove the most popular map from ladder games. Why? - Because they can't get 10 players to start the game.

Quote from: HowTo... on February 26, 2023, 14:28
Quote from: rL-Valter on February 26, 2023, 13:00
how can I vote for V6?
voting already closed
Voting is never closed, its just 1 more soul who wants to play what he wants to play and not what few fellas wants.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: luke on February 26, 2023, 16:24
Well, that makes sense too. At first i was playing v6 but then it became more and mor e annoying after i got used to v7. Games on lagabuse can be more enjoyable than on rgc indeed but nothing beats the inactivity. Its clear that many people would love to play on lagabuse but they cant because there are no games. Why? Because i meet lagabuse players daily on rgc. They often say something like: yeah, lagabuse was cool bu its dead server. Even players who used to play 10 games per day here moved there, for example bookcaizze. I met some ex moderators and ss players as well. Maybe it has nothing to do with v6 but i think it played a major role too. Personally i would play here more, games with known people are more enjoyable than on rgc with randoms. Anyway this here looks like democratic elections. What the majority wants is not the best option but the majority wants it so why not let them have it i guess?
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: damdam on February 26, 2023, 22:45
keep it both...some ppl dont want to play v7
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: JODA on February 26, 2023, 23:38
Just keep them both. I doubt that 20 out of 41 players that vote for v7 , are more than 5 % of all players in BNet. Bugged, old or what ever, players still play it.. if u dont like it -dont play it! Why to remove it ? Just keep them both for ppl who wanna play v6.9. Do not enforce v7, just because....especially coz the majority of players prefer v6..   there will be no choice this way..
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: melih06 on February 27, 2023, 00:45
lets to stay both maps on this server. when i join server i see v6 map usually. because everyone like that v6 map. because that map is nearest orginal dota map. if you delete v6 map you will see lost players and maybe players wont back server.

i try v7 a lot of times but reallly that map like a another game and very different no fun for me.

if players is good they can play the both maps.
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: iamnotrobot on February 27, 2023, 10:35
NOTHİNG WİLL CHANGE !!!! lagabuse will dead soon:(  no change no new movement about dota many people play dead dota here (6.90) so look other servers how many poeple online and playing dota and look lagabuse here players just criticism and idle talk about dota !!
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: AntlermanXXL on February 28, 2023, 08:23
Quote from: iamnotrobot on February 27, 2023, 10:35
NOTHİNG WİLL CHANGE !!!! lagabuse will dead soon:(  no change no new movement about dota many people play dead dota here (6.90) so look other servers how many poeple online and playing dota and look lagabuse here players just criticism and idle talk about dota !!

Decent supporter :-D
Title: Re: Dota Map megapoll
Post by: modoror on February 28, 2023, 18:55
Quote from: iamnotrobot on February 27, 2023, 10:35
NOTHİNG WİLL CHANGE !!!! lagabuse will dead soon:(  no change no new movement about dota many people play dead dota here (6.90) so look other servers how many poeple online and playing dota and look lagabuse here players just criticism and idle talk about dota !!
Everything is really good and even better than before. I must say Lagabuse is very alive with 100+ ladder games daily and nothing changed in last 5 years. And admins and moderators did really great job. The only unexpected glitch of time is unwanted dead v7 map. You and your fellas spent obviously too much time on other servers. Who talk what and who does criticism? - Only you and few of your fellas and that's it. And its not criticism, its crying on forum with stupid :shit: request.
All of you who came with this stupid request should stay right there where you belong, in history. Right there in my memories.