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Title: Old DotA
Post by: [kosarkas] on August 21, 2012, 13:37
Div my man the early maps were not balanced :)) Sentinel had the top creeps 2 times stronger than scourge creeps if i recall it correctly(The map where riki had death ward and invis on lvl5 :)) )
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: GREED on August 21, 2012, 15:33
Div my man the early maps were not balanced :)) Sentinel had the top creeps 2 times stronger than scourge creeps if i recall it correctly(The map where riki had death ward and invis on lvl5 :)) )

and manta was made ouf of diffusal; hex from eul and aganim was smtng completely diffrent.. thoose vere days :P
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: [kosarkas] on August 21, 2012, 15:38
That was even earlier than the time hex was made from euls(it had 9 or 8 charges) and oblivion staff if i recall correctly, and aghanims was made from soul booster and mystic staff and it was for like 10-15 heroes...

Btw i've stoped playing dota for like 20-30 versions and when i got back there was a new mode "SD" and some1 asked for swap i was like wtf how can i swap(we used to switch PCs when we played in a net club if we didnt want to play a certain hero) so they told me and I asked a guy to give me enchantress thinking it was like in the old days. Pure pwnage from lvl 1, but noooo IceFrog switched her ulti with her 1st spell and I was like FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU! :D First spell untouchable WTF!!!!!!  >:( >:( >:(    ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: RoxXan on August 21, 2012, 15:45
and could buy aegies afaik... those were days yes... old silencer ftw, old warlock, old imba enchantres veno viper qq
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: [kosarkas] on August 21, 2012, 16:07
But old naix was sth else :D
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: Blind_Joker on August 21, 2012, 16:09
Well I remember Riki with his previous ulti... Death Ward I think. Ftw those times hehe :D
But I see its going in offtopic :/
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: Astaroth on August 21, 2012, 16:52
If you wanna try older versions:
http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107546
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: div.ide on August 21, 2012, 18:37
I called "ancient times" where "everything was balanced" with pure sarcasm :P
It's the backdoor criers that find everything they can't cope with imbalanced that made me do this.

Well, TBH I only really played some v6.42 era maps with AI (still laughing at my attempts to outcarry old naix with CM :D), then couple of updates, and didn't go online until like, 6.60? Anyway, somewhere around the point where WR and Kunkka were introduced, and 5x Old Aghanim OD raped everything.

I also recall playing old, Eul dota with friend couple of times (note - Dragon Knight was present there and didn't change at all since then :D well, maybe beside numbers and rescaling from 10lvl to 25lvl model), and briefly 5.84c,it was ported to work with recent patches, I think it also works with 1.26a and it's in PD map database... Nostalgia match anyone? :D

I read some articles about all those old stupidly overpowered heroes like 40-spell invoker or Void Demon, kinda regret I didn't know about DotA back then :(

Astaroth, actually this thread could be split into two parts, just get old DotA discussion away to cut out offtopic from there and give it separate thread. Somehow I think this discussion might get a few more posts.
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: donjacrtasamir on August 22, 2012, 10:25
DOTA History - Old Invoker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3tminWOrRk

DOTA History - Visage, Necro'lic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wCIuHEzSn8

DOTA History - Ezalor, Keeper of the Light

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGOHbwnde7E

DOTA History - Nerubian Assassin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emOmK64foO0
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: vaikiss on August 22, 2012, 10:57
lol i remmember all this like it happend yesterday
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: Eo on August 22, 2012, 13:48
doom was imba back then
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: vaikiss on August 22, 2012, 13:49
doom was shit back then

only last updates when he got this new devour with skills and so made him such a strong hero ( and yet uber useless anyway)
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: Eo on August 22, 2012, 13:52
i liked him anyway   ::)
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: [kosarkas] on August 24, 2012, 15:55
I love it when I start topics when I'm sleepwalking and can't even remember when that happened :))

Anyways I remember when I played brood first time and I read on the ulti that it gives dmg but 60% lifesteal so I didn't want to activate it cause I thought it would take 60% of my health for that dmg it gives me haahhahahahaha so fucking epic xD
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: GREED on August 24, 2012, 16:03
im jsut sad that they removed forest sentinel from roof few versions ago. it was and still is my fav spell... focken loved that birds :(
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: vaikiss on August 24, 2012, 17:13
yeah imba stuns :D
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: donjacrtasamir on August 24, 2012, 17:18
here is a video with old riki

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9tpcdX4evw
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: GREED on August 24, 2012, 17:24
yeah imba stuns :D
and obs in same shiet...  loved to make traps with 6-7 activated birds :)
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: casual123 on August 28, 2012, 19:26
Old dota was better.
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: iErnesto94 on August 30, 2012, 01:46
The first dota map i played is 2.01 in RoC 9 years ago i think. There wasnt deny , only 20 heroes to pick and totally 50items....
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: LordDoom on August 30, 2012, 02:13
Naix was AGI hero in some version
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: div.ide on August 30, 2012, 02:17
For a pretty long while actually. With 4.0 agi gain per level, and ulti which was basically 20s bkb iirc (and again, I tried to outcarry that with CM :D).

I still miss old bloodstone, sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo damn imba...
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: Shadow on August 30, 2012, 07:43
I dont know why, maybe Im not right, but I think that Axe was agi hero in the past...Wasnt he?...
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: iNevermore on August 30, 2012, 12:31
I dont know why, maybe Im not right, but I think that Axe was agi hero in the past...Wasnt he?...

Was int...  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: Bart0zzo on August 30, 2012, 13:03
i think he was sword before..
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: baja_cro on August 30, 2012, 14:57
medusa was the best then ...
100% split shot ..

even riki was epic also :D
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: DatFace on August 30, 2012, 14:59
i was epic also ;D
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: b0rn2kill on September 10, 2012, 20:47
Faggots , no gambler?I want gambler back!!!!!!!!!!
Also void had time stom , morph's ultimate was something like rubick's ulti :D , void had carrion....ahh old days :)
Also backthen was forbidden to make MoM on centaur.Was so overpowered :)
P.S I started to play dota on 5.84c :) like long time ago...
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: FU I am PeNGuiN on September 10, 2012, 20:47
Faggots , no gambler?I want gambler back!!!!!!!!!!
Also void had time stom , morph's ultimate was something like rubick's ulti :D , void had carrion....ahh old days :)
gambler, hahahhahahh so much epic
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: RoxXan on September 10, 2012, 20:58
Faggots , no gambler?I want gambler back!!!!!!!!!!
Also void had time stom , morph's ultimate was something like rubick's ulti :D , void had carrion....ahh old days :)
gambler, hahahhahahh so much epic

i played few days ago some epic bullshit ai fun map, and there was gambler, ou man, good ol' times, wasted all gold on nothing xD
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: TitiStrengaru on September 11, 2012, 20:03
For a pretty long while actually. With 4.0 agi gain per level, and ulti which was basically 20s bkb iirc (and again, I tried to outcarry that with CM :D).

I still miss old bloodstone, sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo damn imba...
Actually, N'aix was always a STR hero, even tough he had something like 1.6 str gain, and 4.1 agil. His main attribute was still str, that;s why he had a shitty base dmg. Imagine a agil hero with so much armor and 100+ dmg from his attribute + 40%lifesteal ?!
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: [kosarkas] on September 13, 2012, 19:13
For a pretty long while actually. With 4.0 agi gain per level, and ulti which was basically 20s bkb iirc (and again, I tried to outcarry that with CM :D).

I still miss old bloodstone, sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo damn imba...
Actually, N'aix was always a STR hero, even tough he had something like 1.6 str gain, and 4.1 agil. His main attribute was still str, that;s why he had a shitty base dmg. Imagine a agil hero with so much armor and 100+ dmg from his attribute + 40%lifesteal ?!

^^ this is true div if i recall correctly, but he had 1 spell that increased his MS and AS, this 40% lifesteal, 3 spell poison dmg and slow effect and his ulti was 10/20/30 sec avatar, the most imba naix ever!
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: div.ide on September 13, 2012, 22:08
Uhh, I thought he was agi... Tricky memory. But other than that, I remember him fine :P
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: GREED on September 14, 2012, 02:21
just found this. 6.65 :D
http://lagabuse.com/forum/index.php/topic,275.msg1157.html#msg1157
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: vaikiss on September 14, 2012, 09:49
reading this posts about slark makes me smile lol
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: GREED on September 14, 2012, 12:41
Quote from: Djerfi on: December 31, 2009, 01:15 am

Exactly... I pwned Slark with Destroyer with ulty and 1 hit!

y,loled on thi sone
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: div.ide on September 14, 2012, 13:27
Why? Back then Slark had  1.2 str gain, astral him couple times before ulti, BAM, dead - realistic scenario. Aside from massive agi nerfs, he got buffed quite a bit ever since.

Remember slark for that short period just after remake, with permanent +3 agi stolen per kill? Now that was sick shit :D

AA was such a pain in the ass right after introduction. Cold feet with 90 manacost was way too spammable. And 20s (or was it 25?) Ice Blast felt almost like -wtf mode. Only problem was that most people had no idea how to abuse it back then.
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: GREED on September 14, 2012, 22:23
y back then mybe, but tht never happens to SLARK which vaikiss is playin,right?
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: vaikiss on September 14, 2012, 23:11
Why? Back then Slark had  1.2 str gain, astral him couple times before ulti, BAM, dead - realistic scenario. Aside from massive agi nerfs, he got buffed quite a bit ever since.

Remember slark for that short period just after remake, with permanent +3 agi stolen per kill? Now that was sick shit :D

AA was such a pain in the ass right after introduction. Cold feet with 90 manacost was way too spammable. And 20s (or was it 25?) Ice Blast felt almost like -wtf mode. Only problem was that most people had no idea how to abuse it back then.
destro with couple astrals on any hero can 1 hit him with ulti especialy if he has some int items lol

Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: [kosarkas] on September 15, 2012, 01:30
Why? Back then Slark had  1.2 str gain, astral him couple times before ulti, BAM, dead - realistic scenario. Aside from massive agi nerfs, he got buffed quite a bit ever since.

Remember slark for that short period just after remake, with permanent +3 agi stolen per kill? Now that was sick shit :D

AA was such a pain in the ass right after introduction. Cold feet with 90 manacost was way too spammable. And 20s (or was it 25?) Ice Blast felt almost like -wtf mode. Only problem was that most people had no idea how to abuse it back then.
destro with couple astrals on any hero can 1 hit him with ulti especialy if he has some int items lol

Depends on who's playing the other hero, and wich hero it is :P
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: Boki_ on September 15, 2012, 08:24
slark is imba xD End of story :D
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: shpura on September 15, 2012, 11:06
gem>slark
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: Asandir on September 17, 2012, 15:44
Doom was imba with that fixed AOE scorched earth with like 3(!!) DPS :D
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: div.ide on September 17, 2012, 17:42
Up to 4(!!!) when maxed :P (or maybe 3, considering it was probaly reduced by hero armor)

Though old Doom was literally one-button hero, CMIIR but with scepter it dealt total of like, 1,5k dmg? 2k dmg? And lasted 15 or 16 seconds.
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: Asandir on September 17, 2012, 17:51
I remember when I started playing dota my fav hero was storm because he had a skill that every 4th or 5th attack had that slow, and he had that AS increase skill by 90% i think,  so i just bought him 2x hyperstone and gg no escape =D
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: [kosarkas] on September 17, 2012, 19:11
I remember when I started playing dota my fav hero was storm because he had a skill that every 4th or 5th attack had that slow, and he had that AS increase skill by 90% i think,  so i just bought him 2x hyperstone and gg no escape =D

I think it was 80% and first item was first desolator :P  And his ulti was pulling every hero close to him to the location he wanted :D Do you remember his ulti? You couldn't rly escape from any1 unless he was a lil' bit away from you, otherwise you would pull him with you :D
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: Asandir on September 17, 2012, 19:17
I remember when I started playing dota my fav hero was storm because he had a skill that every 4th or 5th attack had that slow, and he had that AS increase skill by 90% i think,  so i just bought him 2x hyperstone and gg no escape =D

I think it was 80% and first item was first desolator :P  And his ulti was pulling every hero close to him to the location he wanted :D Do you remember his ulti? You couldn't rly escape from any1 unless he was a lil' bit away from you, otherwise you would pull him with you :D

Yes it was useless for escaping, but great for ganks... its like old school snowball
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: div.ide on September 17, 2012, 19:19
This ult was pretty hilarous when comboed with clusters of Remote Mines :D
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: [kosarkas] on September 17, 2012, 19:36
And he also had like 600 or 800 dmg spell shield (sth like Xins spell but without the dmg)
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: GREED on September 17, 2012, 22:14
I remember when I started playing dota my fav hero was storm because he had a skill that every 4th or 5th attack had that slow, and he had that AS increase skill by 90% i think,  so i just bought him 2x hyperstone and gg no escape =D

I think it was 80% and first item was first desolator :P  And his ulti was pulling every hero close to him to the location he wanted :D Do you remember his ulti? You couldn't rly escape from any1 unless he was a lil' bit away from you, otherwise you would pull him with you :D


Yes it was useless for escaping, but great for ganks... its like old school snowball

y, it was epic, u could take up to 3 heroes, but im not certain. and ganks were ubereasy
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: ctrl on September 19, 2012, 16:19
There was a hero that could take roshan in first versions i remember this. I think it was chen, most buggy stuff ever. also anyone remember secret item that was in shops 2,3 years ago? :p
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: shpura on September 19, 2012, 16:23
There was a hero that could take roshan in first versions i remember this. I think it was chen, most buggy stuff ever. also anyone remember secret item that was in shops 2,3 years ago? :p

Don't know about that secret item, but I know I just tried 5.84 and it took me like 10 mins to buy items.
Satanic with dagon icon :D
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: ctrl on September 19, 2012, 16:39
oh lol, i remmber now u couldnt take it, but if u hit and run, he would follow u, so lvl 1 u could take i think axe and beserkers call, and get him into opponent base, easy win lol.
Icefrog would put secret missions around map also to get some imba items. And there was some item made of soul booster+broadsword+planewalker robe, called Ares soul in 2006.
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: Astaroth on September 19, 2012, 16:40
There was a hero that could take roshan in first versions i remember this. I think it was chen, most buggy stuff ever. also anyone remember secret item that was in shops 2,3 years ago? :p

Don't know about that secret item, but I know I just tried 5.84 and it took me like 10 mins to buy items.
Satanic with dagon icon :D
I think that item looked like fortification icon of Sentinel and had descrtiption like "nobody knows what it does", it was giving you almost everything, regen, critical. You had to beat some phoenix to get this item. Or am I right? I just heard of it...
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: shpura on September 19, 2012, 16:51
There was a hero that could take roshan in first versions i remember this. I think it was chen, most buggy stuff ever. also anyone remember secret item that was in shops 2,3 years ago? :p

Don't know about that secret item, but I know I just tried 5.84 and it took me like 10 mins to buy items.
Satanic with dagon icon :D
I think that item looked like fortification icon of Sentinel and had descrtiption like "nobody knows what it does", it was giving you almost everything, regen, critical. You had to beat some phoenix to get this item. Or am I right? I just heard of it...

I saw in some video, don't know which dota version: in right down corner there were phoenix and invoker. Something like bosses.
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: [kosarkas] on September 19, 2012, 19:39
He used to make these "seceret missions" I think in "9th episodes" like 59,49 etc... Last one I remember was in 59(dunno if there was one in 69, I never saw it) and it was a tauren chieftain in the upper left corner(you had to put some wards in the area where you pick heroes, but you needed to find those wards/4 i think/ and to put them you had to have 1000 mana xD ), and when you killed him you got an item, but I'm not sure what it gave but I know it had usable knock back(vision effect was like when bara bashes you) and it knocked enemies around you like 1000 units away or so... I think there was one in 69 where you had to kill some kind of corpses, can't rly remember... I'll go check on youtube now and post what I find :D
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: Astaroth on September 19, 2012, 19:51
Yes, I also heard of some corpses, one of them should has been on cliff in scourge's forest (near left rune spot) and it was invis or something. I also heard of some big red stones and frogs. Just heard, no more info.
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: [kosarkas] on September 19, 2012, 20:33
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3_a0ONFMaU
69

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmqsPFnB3NY
59

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9tsoUSFaFI
49

Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: shpura on September 19, 2012, 21:46
Look, I did it and made so many illusions i got buged XD. If you look closely at the minimap you will see a hero icon in scourge base, but I'm just not there, I am invulnerable and can't click my hero :D

(http://s8.postimage.org/f3n50rgp1/furion.jpg)
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: div.ide on September 19, 2012, 23:02
Medallion was bugged for WTF mode, basically if you used it 3 times in too short timespan you get stuck hidden (like in the middle of mirror image). This doesn't have anything to do with number of illusions (although they were freaking OP).

I wish I could find those replays where a bunch of guys summoned Phoenix in pub game on v6.69 (several times). Not that they killed it, just used it's global stun at their advantage. Awesome stuff.
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: shpura on September 19, 2012, 23:19
Is it even possible to kill phoenix in real game?
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: div.ide on September 19, 2012, 23:41
Actually I've seen a replay where it was done (in public game), though it required a premade stack stomping pub with some 5-carry strat (iirc something like void troll luna rexxar or similar for permabash and maximized team DPS output).

Basically they bursted it down (and it had like 20k hp with decent armor) within 20 seconds (between supernova suns) without dying to immolation and autoattack (Phoenix had reartded stats gain upon leveling). To stop it from respawning (actually, stop it from turning into egg), they had to hex it just before death (hex lasted 1s due to resistance).

Baja will be pleased to hear it was pretty doable solo (!) with techies - you only needed like 35 or 36 remote mines,  Aghs, hex (reasons above), and lot of free, undisrupted time* and someone to summon it.


IIRC 3/5 scourge players left game after summoning, one afked at fountain (or left, dunno) and last one asked them to not kill him and let him see phx getting owned :D


-------------
* [10 cd + 2s cast time + 1s saftery buffer for slow fingers/deay/whatever] * 36 = over 7.5 minutes. Mines only last 8.

EDIT
AHAHAHA FOUND IT :D (http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=332217)
v1.24, version switcher required
Also this :D (http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=320886)
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: [kosarkas] on September 20, 2012, 00:29
We managed to kill TC in the quest of 59 :D We played 2v2 game(no top) and my teammate went around the map searching for the maps and summoning TC, so their Lancer got farmed on his lane and they were destroying our base, so he asked them to go top and see sth, and they went, and we managed to kill him after like 30 mins or more with joined forces... ;D
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: Asandir on September 23, 2012, 13:49
We managed to kill TC in the quest of 59 :D We played 2v2 game(no top) and my teammate went around the map searching for the maps and summoning TC, so their Lancer got farmed on his lane and they were destroying our base, so he asked them to go top and see sth, and they went, and we managed to kill him after like 30 mins or more with joined forces... ;D

+1
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: div.ide on September 24, 2012, 00:53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOmO8VYtHnE&feature=g-all-f

ahhahahaha
I was wondering where did I hear this before.
Then I remembered.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5oZHLTObH4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5oZHLTObH4)
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: [kosarkas] on September 24, 2012, 01:02
Will watch it tomorrow...'night :))
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: Dread^Lord on September 25, 2012, 02:19
Do we call this old stuff ?  :)

(http://i1.ytimg.com/i/8DS1u7u9qpmiO2zHNF1Xtw/1.jpg?v=d27d25)

http://www.youtube.com/user/PlayDotaEu
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: Sauzer on October 07, 2012, 06:45
The first dota map i played is 2.01 in RoC 9 years ago i think. There wasnt deny , only 20 heroes to pick and totally 50items....

YYY, this was the old dota, with hero max lvl 10

Items with not receipt
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: Astaroth on October 07, 2012, 10:16
The first dota map i played is 2.01 in RoC 9 years ago i think. There wasnt deny , only 20 heroes to pick and totally 50items....

YYY, this was the old dota, with hero max lvl 10

Items with not receipt
It was Guinsoo who added recipes.
Title: Re: Old DotA
Post by: NonStopWeed on October 25, 2012, 18:09
Death ward of Rikimaru :D FTW :D