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Title: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: ramb.O on June 13, 2010, 23:09
KAEL, THE INVOKER - GUIDE

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Table of Contents
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- Hero Introduction (#post_hero)
- Advanced Statistics (#post_ADV)
- Pros and Cons (#post_pros)
- Backgroud Story (#post_BG)
- Skills (#post_SK)
- Spells (#post_spells)
- Item Build (#post_IB)
- Skill Build (#post_SB)
- Changelog (#post_OT)


Note: There are some images which are very big, so i am not going to post the image, else i will put the image link. Only click it.

HERO INTRODUCTION
(http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/icon.jpg) Invoker

Strength
(http://www.playdota.com/img/site/strength.jpg)
19 + 1.7
Agility
(http://www.playdota.com/img/site/agility.jpg)
20 + 1.9
Intelligence
(http://www.playdota.com/img/site/intelligence-c.jpg)
22 + 2.5

First of all, this guide is not about how to play dota. Reason why i want to make this guide is because I like this hero and want to share my opinions about him. He is great fun to play, but can be intimidating to those unfamiliar with the technique. Invoker is a hero with completely unique style of play from any other. The Invoker is the most well-rounded spellcasting hero, due to his massive array of spells. Using his three elemental reagents and his Invoke skill, the Invoker can utilize a total of 10 different spells. Due to his complexity and fragility, the Invoker is a bad choice for newer players.
What is the best item/skill build? Discuss it here.

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ADVANCED STATISTICS

- Affiliation: Neutral
- Attack Animation: 0.4 / 0.7
- Damage: 44 - 50
- Casting Animation: 0 / 0
- Armor: 1.9
- Base Attack Time: 1.7
- Movespeed: 280
- Missile Speed: 900
- Attack Range: 600
- Sight Range: 1800 (day) / 800 (night)

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PROS AND CONS

Pros
[ + ] Very fun to play
[ + ] Very strong hero in the hands of a good player
[ + ] Has 10 spells
[ + ] Very flexible hero
[ + ] Nice regen having Quas
[ + ] Big MS bonus having Wex
[ + ] Great last-hitting and denying having Exort
[ + ] Disabler

Cons
[ - ] Very weak hero in wrong hands
[ - ] No attribute points
[ - ] Very fragile
[ - ] Hard to play
[ - ] Item dependent / mana required
[ - ] Low base movespeed

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BACKGROUND STORY

Quas. Wex. Exort. The essence of a storm. The heart of a blizzard. The soul of a phoenix. After his people were broken and scattered to the corners of the earth, Kael was left with only the relics of his once great world. Thirsting for vengeance, he sold his own soul to Ner'Zhul, and in exchange acquired near limitless power. Taking on the mantle of the Blood Mages of old, the Invoker strode into war with nothing but the elements at his command. He can fuse the elements into deadly incantations, tearing apart the very heavens in his fury. His genius knows no bounds, and the Sentinel shall come to know the rage of the Invoker.
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(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo86/IZAHS/Kael.gif)


SKILLS

QUAS (Q)
(http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-0.jpg)

Gives 1 HP regen per level per instance.

If you have the three instances of Quas
Level 1 – 1 HP (03 HP)
Level 2 – 2 HP (06 HP)
Level 3 – 3 HP (09 HP)
Level 4 – 4 HP (12 HP)
Level 5 – 5 HP (15 HP)
Level 6 – 6 HP (18 HP)
Level 7 – 7 HP (21 HP)
• Kael can have only 3 of any instances.
• Passively grants 2 Strength per level of this skill.

(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7050/invo03hp.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/invo03hp.jpg/)

Invoker HP/sec regeneration without items - level 25
When you have three instances of Quas
> Reg. HP/sec: 21
> Level: 25
> No Items


WEX (W)
(http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-1.jpg)

Gives 2% AS and 1% MS per level per instance.

If you have the three instances of Wex
Level 1 – 02% AS and 1% MS (06% AS and 03% MS)
Level 2 – 04% AS and 2% MS (12% AS and 06% MS)
Level 3 – 06% AS and 3% MS (18% AS and 09% MS)
Level 4 – 08% AS and 4% MS (24% AS and 12% MS)
Level 5 – 10% AS and 5% MS (30% AS and 15% MS)
Level 6 – 12% AS and 6% MS (36% AS and 18% MS)
Level 7 – 14% AS and 7% MS (42% AS and 21% MS)
• Kael can have only 3 of any instances.
• Passively grants 2 Agility per level of this skill.

Invoker Movement speed without items - level 25 (http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1898/invo01ms.jpg)
When you have three instances of Wex
> Mov. Speed: 63
> Level: 25
> No Items


Exort (E)
(http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-2.jpg)

3 damage per level per instance.

If you have the three instances of Exort
Level 1 – 03 Damage (09 Damage)
Level 2 – 06 Damage (18 Damage)
Level 3 – 09 Damage (27 Damage)
Level 4 – 12 Damage (36 Damage)
Level 5 – 15 Damage (45 Damage)
Level 6 – 18 Damage (54 Damage)
Level 7 – 21 Damage (63 Damage)
• Kael can have only 3 of any instances.
• Passively grants 2 Intelligence per level of this skill.

Invoker damage without items - level 25 (http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1586/invo02dao.jpg)
When you have three instances of Exort
> Damage: 339
> Level: 25
> No Items


Invoke (R)
(http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-3.png)

Combines the properties of the elements currently being manipulated creating a new spell at Invoker’s disposal.
The invoked spell is determined by the combinations of Quas, Wex, and Exort.

Level 1 – Can have 1 invoked spells. Cooldown: 30. Manacost: 20
Level 2 – Can have 2 invoked spells. Cooldown: 25. Manacost: 40
Level 3 – Can have 2 invoked spells. Cooldown: 15. Manacost: 60
Level 4 – Can have 2 invoked spells. Cooldown: 05. Manacost: 80


• Can be improved by Aghanim's Scepter.
Level 1 – Can have 1 invoked spells. Cooldown: 16. Manacost: 00 
Level 2 – Can have 2 invoked spells. Cooldown: 08. Manacost: 00
Level 3 – Can have 2 invoked spells. Cooldown: 04. Manacost: 00
Level 4 – Can have 2 invoked spells. Cooldown: 02. Manacost: 00
(http://www.playdota.com/img/items/106/icon.jpg)

• The -invokelist command will give you list of spells that may be invoked.
• The arrangement of instances does not matter.
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SPELLS

1. Cold Snap (#post_coldsnap)
2. Ghost Walk (#post_ghost)
3. Ice Wall (#post_ice)
4. Tornado (#post_tornado)
5. EMP (#post_emp)
6. Alacrity (#post_alac)
7. Forge Spirits (#post_spirits)
8. Chaos Meteor (#post_meteor)
9. Sunstrike (#post_sun)
10. Deafening Blast (#post_blast)

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1 - COLD SNAP  (QQQ)  [Y]
(http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-4.jpg)  -  (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-0.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-0.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-0.jpg)
Go to Spells List (#post_spells)

USE:
  - Ganking
  - Farming (Forest creep)
  - Get Roshan


2 - GHOST WALK  (QQW)  [V]
(http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-5.JPG)  -  (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-0.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-0.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-1.jpg)
Go to Spells List (#post_spells)

USE:
  - Escape
  - Chase/Slow
  - Hunt


3 - ICE WALL  (QQE)  [G]
(http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-12.jpg)  -  (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-0.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-0.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-2.jpg)
Go to Spells List (#post_spells)

USE:
  - Escape
  - Battle Control
  - Gank
  - Kill


4 - TORNADO  (WWQ)  [X]
(http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-6.jpg)  -  (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-1.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-1.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-0.jpg)
Go to Spells List (#post_spells)


Tornado level 1 - 800 range
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4922/tornadolvl1.th.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4922/tornadolvl1.jpg)

Tornado level 7 - 3200 range
Video Tornado Max level (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycj9kv9YdU4#ws)

5 - EMP  (WWW)  [C]
(http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-7.jpg)  -  (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-1.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-1.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-1.jpg)
Go to Spells List (#post_spells)

USE:
  - Throw it in the light of the tower, just in the top of it. (video demostration coming soon)
  - At the beginning of the battle in the center

6 - ALACRITY  (WWE)  [Z]
(http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-8.jpg)  -  (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-1.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-1.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-2.jpg)
Go to Spells List (#post_spells)


7 - FORGE SPIRITS  (EEQ)  [F]
(http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-11.jpg)  -  (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-2.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-2.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-0.jpg)
Go to Spells List (#post_spells)


8 - CHAOS METEOR  (EEW)  [D]
(http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-9.jpg)  -  (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-2.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-2.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-1.jpg)
Go to Spells List (#post_spells)

9 - SUNSTRIKE  (EEE)  [T]
(http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-10.jpg)  -  (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-2.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-2.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-2.jpg)
Go to Spells List (#post_spells)

USE:
- Sunstrike: You should never run around with it invoked. It will always be a situational spell. Is really easy to invoke and use too.



10 - DEAFENING BLAST  (QWE) B
(http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-13.jpg)  -  (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-0.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-1.jpg) (http://www.playdota.com/img/hero/118/skill-2.jpg)
Go to Spells List (#post_spells)
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ITEM BUILD
Go to Table of Contents (#post_menu)

SKILL BUILD
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1 ----------2 ----------3 ----------



Changelog

13/06/2010 < First post (unfinished)
14/06/2010 < Edited (unfinished)
29/06/2010 < Edited (unfinished)
19/07/2010 < Edited (unfinished)
29/07/2010 < Updated to new version
21/09/2010 < Edited (unfinished)

Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: FatalityMk on June 14, 2010, 00:10
Leave the guides to ek0.
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: wekz on June 14, 2010, 00:13
what you are all hype on this shit ??? ???
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: ramb.O on June 14, 2010, 01:05
Leave the guides to ek0.

wtf? i hope u joking ffs

what you are all hype on this shit ??? ???

....
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: tayyip on June 14, 2010, 03:02
This is the most difficult hero to play and requires a good computer :)

I saw a nice strategy. A guy summoned 2 flame guys, got MoM and used the skill which made the enemy stunned if he got damage. So, the guy attacked cant move much :)
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: rocknrolla on June 14, 2010, 04:21
I could share my builds, still thinking about it ..
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: ramb.O on June 14, 2010, 08:58
This is the most difficult hero to play and requires a good computer :)

I saw a nice strategy. A guy summoned 2 flame guys, got MoM and used the skill which made the enemy stunned if he got damage. So, the guy attacked cant move much :)

yeah! There are good combos playing Invoker.
yes :P Cold Snap + Forge Spirit (and if u can Ice Wall too) << slow + perma bash << dead
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: Slavi on June 14, 2010, 12:42
DAgger + scepter . MEteor the push thingy , blink shivas invoke fast icewall. rape.
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: ek0 on June 14, 2010, 13:01
Item build:
Vanguard or Poor Man's shield.
Then Eul for ms.
Later Orchid or Force Staff.
Aghanim's if you need the -3 secs and -80 mana for Invoke.
Guinsoo's for late game.
BKB if you need it.
Dagger helps, too.

Skill build:
Everything is good (except nothing).

To be a good with Invoker, you have to have 0 mana all the time  ;).
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: Sl0wMotion on June 14, 2010, 15:00
Radiance + Cold Snap + Forge Spirit ;)
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: BJSV on June 20, 2010, 13:34
I used to play with cold snap + forge spirit, and main item is that silence item (dont know the name), but now i play with alacrity + deafening blast, and main item dominator.
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: ek0 on June 20, 2010, 13:51
I used to play with cold snap + forge spirit, and main item is that silence item (dont know the name), but now i play with alacrity + deafening blast, and main item dominator.
Playing only with 2 skills is stupid.

Here is an average team fight:
While your enemy doesn't have sight at you (or you don't know about it), do the following actions:
Tornado
move to your enemy
Ice Wall
EMP
Chaos Meteor
Forge Spirit
Alacrity
Cold Snap
Deafening Blast
Ghost Walk and then just watch how they die.
You can use Sun Strike if a hero ran away.
If you have Eul's and/or Guinsoo's use them.
When you cast Ghost Walk, you should move, so you can slow your enemies.
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: BJSV on June 20, 2010, 13:54
Playing only with 2 skills is stupid.

Yes it is but im not so good at multitasking so i use what is given to me :)
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: [K.Y.K]AtBoKu on June 23, 2010, 02:49
im generally using meteor, sunstrike and alactricy:) if enemy heroes are int, im using emp and tornado. and invoker really important hero for 5v5. my item build : pt hex critic domi divine (with crit u can see 1k damage:) assault
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: x[]o^GossipGirl on July 04, 2010, 00:16
Cold Snap + Forge Spirit + Power Treads + Monkey King Bar + Burizza + Divine + HoT + Satanic = Rampage !
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: PlayDota.eu08 on July 04, 2010, 00:22
Quote
Cold Snap + Forge Spirit + Power Treads + Monkey King Bar + Burizza + Divine + HoT + Satanic = Rampage !
kk you can kill mby one but if 2-3 come  nessesaj , leo (leo have dust) and bala .
bala silence you and slow u , nessesaj use his blink and stun u aftert that leo stun invoker .
gg invoker go sleep ^^
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: x[]o^GossipGirl on July 04, 2010, 00:25
Quote
Cold Snap + Forge Spirit + Power Treads + Monkey King Bar + Burizza + Divine + HoT + Satanic = Rampage !
kk you can kill mby one but if 2-3 come  nessesaj , leo (leo have dust) and bala .
bala silence you and slow u , nessesaj use his blink and stun u aftert that leo stun invoker .
gg invoker go sleep ^^

First of all...Invoker wont go alone,never !
Second...if there are stunners,dont rush...let them use their stuns and then come in and kill em all ;


;)
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: Natura Sonoris on July 05, 2010, 23:40
I play with invoker using meteor ofcrs,and sun strike for finishing.In team fights use meteor ,emp ice wall and ghost walk if u want to escape or to slow enemy down :) can be usefull to help some who is chased by high ms hero :) just walk around them they will slow down :)

As for items one of best is beleive me skadi :) Gives good dmg,hp,mana and frost atack :) make shiva later they will get terrible owned :) and ofcrs good old hex when u use meteor :) gooinso +shiva +meteor :)

This hero requires good thinking ,terrible fast fingers to invoke mega speed because it is important to use as much spells as for lees time :)
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: x[]o^GossipGirl on July 06, 2010, 00:26
Meteor owns in beginning for sure...but after when you get high dmg and as you dont need it :D
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: Slavi on July 13, 2010, 09:33
http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=331259 (http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=331259) watch min 32-36
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: theNoobie on July 14, 2010, 21:33
Item build:
Vanguard or Poor Man's shield.
Then Eul for ms.
Later Orchid or Force Staff.
Aghanim's if you need the -3 secs and -80 mana for Invoke.
Guinsoo's for late game.
BKB if you need it.
Dagger helps, too.

Skill build:
Everything is good (except nothing).

To be a good with Invoker, you have to have 0 mana all the time  ;).

Your item build is incredibly situational. Invoker is one of the most versatile heroes, by being able to be a disabler with Tornado and emp, a nuker with Meteor and sunstrike, a ganker with coldsnap and forge spirits, and a carry with alacrity and coldsnap.

Almost always, Agahnims is CORE on invoker and should be your first item. Getting Eul for MS is an incredibly stupid reason as well.

Good invokers will always need aga, and in late game should use all their spells.

It should look something like this:

10 Spell combo

Before Clash: Cast forge spirit (eeqrf), invoke meteor(eewr), then blast(qwer), set up to invoke alacrity(wwe).

0 sec: Cast meteor(d), invoke alacrity(r), cast blast(b) and cast alacrity(z).

2 sec: invoke tornado (wwqr)

4 sec: invoke EMP (wwwr) set up for ghost walk (qqw). Also try to have ure
spirits focus a weakend hero in this time

6 sec: cast tornado(x), invoke ghost walk(r) and cast EMP(c).

8 sec: invoke icewall(qqer), cast ghost walk.

10-20 sec: Possition and cast ice wall(g), invoke and cast cold snape(qqqry), invoke and cast sun strike (eeert). Invoke and cast alacrity on your carry(wwerz).

Finishing combo

28 sec: invoke tornado (wwqr)

30 sec: Invoke emp(wwwr), as soon as torndado finishes cd (less then 1 sec) cast tornado(x), invoke cold snap(qqqr), cast emp(c)

32 sec: invoke alacrity(wwer), cast alacrity(z) and cold snap(y).

34-50 sec: invoke icewall(qqer), invoke forge spirit(eeqr), possitiona and cast icewall(g), cast forge spirit(f).

50-55 sec: invoke meteor and blast. At 55 sec meteor finished its cd and the whole combo can be started again and endlessly looped if u have the mana... though something is very wrong if you have to loops this combo.
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: BJSV on July 16, 2010, 03:26
In this situation first time you cast alacrity you dont even get to hit one hero. Lol
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: ramb.O on July 16, 2010, 22:26
Quote
Cold Snap + Forge Spirit + Power Treads + Monkey King Bar + Burizza + Divine + HoT + Satanic = Rampage !
kk you can kill mby one but if 2-3 come  nessesaj , leo (leo have dust) and bala .
bala silence you and slow u , nessesaj use his blink and stun u aftert that leo stun invoker .
gg invoker go sleep ^^

First of all...Invoker wont go alone,never !
Second...if there are stunners,dont rush...let them use their stuns and then come in and kill em all ;
;)

Invoker is IMBA being solo, dont need anything. Start with Exort/Ulti (for Sun strike)/Exort/Quas/Exort and you have +27 damage, so much for last hit (kill/deny) and u can farm fast/easy for hex or skady. If u are getting rape, only change to Quas and eat some tango. And If ur enemy team has very much int heros, just maximice Wex and cast Emp (pwned -400 mana in 2 sec AOE) + imba mov. speed
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: ramb.O on July 20, 2010, 08:11
I could share my builds, still thinking about it ..

Did you think it? or nab? :P
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: RAGEQUIT on July 23, 2010, 12:42
There's better invoker guides in other places, I can post them if you want
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: ramb.O on July 23, 2010, 13:24
There's better invoker guides in other places, I can post them if you want

LOL, all know go to google, type: Invoker guide, or go to playdota.com/heros/invoker/guide  ffs

Guide is not finished yet, i have things to do in my life (not only dota)  ::)
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide
Post by: rocknrolla on July 29, 2010, 11:57
I could share my builds, still thinking about it ..

Did you think it? or nab? :P
Ok, here comes @ nabm.o request :p
Skills build ": I take exort everytime i can,  for dmg ( hit + spells ).  So it goes like this, E - R -E -W-E-Q-E-R, then max out E  and Quas till lvl 5, then i go for Wex . Early i keep meteor/sunstrike, then i go forge spirits + cold snap. Then .. everyman's choice .. when i have things leveled up a bit, i start with tornado, meteor + blast, emp etc. It differs :)
Items build : Rush power treads, i keep'em on int for dmg/mana pool, but swithc to str when i am targeted.
Linken afterwards,  because it"s expensive and i can still farm early, then Agha , guinsoo and shiva. Always going for items which give mana regen/pool.
Least, but not last, ME SOLO MID ! axaxaxaxaxaaxa
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: hepius on August 03, 2010, 01:37
my build is on forge spirits+cold snap.i play like this; i start game with no items and go as  quas-exort and 1 hit on invoke(for skill) with quas u get good hp regen and dont need regen stuff,with exort u can easily kill creeps,and like 14~17 mins i complete desolator and pt then going for solo rosh at lvl 10-11 then easily can dominate game you can check my replays also i am a fan of invoker :p
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: Natura Sonoris on August 03, 2010, 03:27
my build is on forge spirits+cold snap.i play like this; i start game with no items and go as  quas-exort and 1 hit on invoke(for skill) with quas u get good hp regen and dont need regen stuff,with exort u can easily kill creeps,and like 14~17 mins i complete desolator and pt then going for solo rosh at lvl 10-11 then easily can dominate game you can check my replays also i am a fan of invoker :p

Yea i learnd a lot from hepius...he is pro with invokker :)
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: vaikiss on August 22, 2010, 16:33
nice but need 2 finish if need any help let me know im invoker fan bigtime
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: ramb.O on August 22, 2010, 17:34
nice but need 2 finish if need any help let me know im invoker fan bigtime
ç
is ok man. But im working and im tired.. time 4 play dota and later.. sleep!
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: [.Shade.] on September 06, 2010, 09:30
invoker is the best hero if you use youre head :D
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: ramb.O on September 21, 2010, 17:42
Added somthing to guide + 1 little video.
More soon.
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: raven on September 23, 2010, 22:44
i think there is no typical item build for invoker. depends on role u play in game. anyway u will also have a use of scepter and eul.
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: Natura Sonoris on September 23, 2010, 22:56
Big use..i go build deso and forge spirits (good with never mores aura) and cold snap ,easy solo roshan and than make blood stone ,hex,euls,scepter
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: ramb.O on September 24, 2010, 04:00
Big use..i go build deso and forge spirits (good with never mores aura) and cold snap ,easy solo roshan and than make blood stone ,hex,euls,scepter

I think invoker + bloodstone sucks , but... anyway, there are very much item builds for invoker.
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: vluggejappie on September 24, 2010, 14:58
item built for invo 1)Travel bot 2)Hex 3)Scepter 4)Radiance 5)Assoult 6)Mkb GG
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: PlayDota.eu08 on September 24, 2010, 15:21
xaxaxa ,
if u r afraid ---> BKB , PHASE , GHOST SCEPTER , ELUS , FORCE , DAGGER ,
and u go on Ice wall and windwalk , and ms-as  )
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: Natura Sonoris on September 24, 2010, 16:05
Big use..i go build deso and forge spirits (good with never mores aura) and cold snap ,easy solo roshan and than make blood stone ,hex,euls,scepter

It  doesnt really becuase you get hp ,mana both things he needs ,you get regen also very helpful and you get more charges and you respawn faster and later game if not good builded invo it can easily die.

As for items builds ,there ,as said here before,are lots of different kinds...he can go dps with strong dmg with desolator and with forge spirits and with never it is even better.
Support is use of euls to remowe maybe their aoe supporter(thrall) ,carry(veno,maybe never),tanker(sven,earth),because those are best starters of ganks ,and than you can just do tornado ,mana burn ,and meteor and blast,if you have fast fingers and scepter ;)
Carry support is use of killing in team fights with combo of items like use of assault courias with desolator and forge spirits,shiva slow,mana burn,radiance ,ghost walk etc nearlly same as support but you also use massive dmg than invoker can have,

Dagger is very good item when they run,blink behind and ice wall and etc
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: vaikiss on September 24, 2010, 17:35
lol threads 2 bracers and aghanim if ur lucky in normal game
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: ramb.O on September 25, 2010, 18:49
i think there is no typical item build for invoker. depends on role u play in game. anyway u will also have a use of scepter and eul.
not always scepter. If u play carry (alacrity + Cold Snap) with lifesteal + buriza, scepter is not necesary because cooldown is low.
Cold snap - 20 sec
Alacrity - 15
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: XenyStyle on September 25, 2010, 21:51
well the guide is good for started invoker players imo.for better guides ppl should check the one on playdota.com(u can find everything in that guide)

anyway,some ppl(saw ek0 this time) are talking about using 100 of spells like they dont have mp or cd...
and about items...all the best items...ye its possible if u play TRAPSO NOOB GAME.

anyway,hard to be good in a game with invoker if u have tards in the team...
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: XenyStyle on September 26, 2010, 00:12
well the guide is good for started invoker players imo.for better guides ppl should check the one on playdota.com(u can find everything in that guide)

anyway,some ppl(saw ek0 this time) are talking about using 100 of spells like they dont have mp or cd...
and about items...all the best items...ye its possible if u play TRAPSO NOOB GAME.

anyway,hard to be good in a game with invoker if u have tards in the team...

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lol,banned for this "insulting"???where is the insult in this??its called opinion...
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Post by: Quon on September 26, 2010, 01:56
well the guide is good for started invoker players imo.for better guides ppl should check the one on playdota.com(u can find everything in that guide)

anyway,some ppl(saw ek0 this time) are talking about using 100 of spells like they dont have mp or cd...
and about items...all the best items...ye its possible if u play TRAPSO NOOB GAME.

anyway,hard to be good in a game with invoker if u have tards in the team...

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lol,banned for this "insulting"???where is the insult in this??its called opinion...

I edited your post. If u cant remember u wrote that TR players r i....s.
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: XenyStyle on September 26, 2010, 09:45
well if i remember good i ment it on game mode,but nvm,sry if it fell out like that.

oh,and check ur signature :P ;)
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: vaikiss on October 01, 2010, 16:03
i think there is no typical item build for invoker. depends on role u play in game. anyway u will also have a use of scepter and eul.
not always scepter. If u play carry (alacrity + Cold Snap) with lifesteal + buriza, scepter is not necesary because cooldown is low.
Cold snap - 20 sec
Alacrity - 15
show me decent game where invoker finishes buriza until end of game 
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: XenyStyle on October 02, 2010, 20:29
show me decent game where invoker finishes buriza until end of game 
+1
item built for invo 1)Travel bot 2)Hex 3)Scepter 4)Radiance 5)Assoult 6)Mkb GG
yea,right...i havent realy seen a bank in dota...u can make these items only if u play against hard noobs,u are not ganked,u get almost every hero/creep kill...
anyway,have a replay with invo,had 12:4 or 14:2,something like that,and could make only pt,scepter,eul,and going for hex(dunno exactly)

Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: vaikiss on October 02, 2010, 20:32
playing vs noobs at 15 min going exo u can have hex like np
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: XenyStyle on October 02, 2010, 20:44
playing vs noobs at 15 min going exo u can have hex like np

ye,vs noobs its not hard :P
and about my earlier post,checked the replay,it was em.so to get all those items what he wrote its impossible...
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: zero.infinity on October 12, 2010, 14:48
mr.ninceguy best invoker player on this server. you have much to learn.
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: vaikiss on October 12, 2010, 19:15
after they learned 2 stats for each ex/wex/quas learned   invoker pwns even moar nao
Title: Re: Kael, The Invoker - Guide Unfinished*
Post by: zero.infinity on October 13, 2010, 07:18
Invoker is fine as he is. They did this only to make players pick him more. Especially in competitive.
Invoker can have only treads the entire game, and in a good team, he can own players with full item complement.

Will try to find the replay.