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General Section => General Discussions => Topic started by: burunduk on January 19, 2010, 01:18
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Hi, I have a little problem with pro players. When we have got 2 hardnoobs in our team we still can win, but if there are pros in opposite team we can do nothing to stop them. Is there any rule that allow us raport and ban pros in noob games? I know, that they have a lot of fun, getting godlikes etc., but is it fair? Votekick is not the solution, because opposite team is fine with godlike team mate, so they wont vote...
I am talking about players playing 90% games with "pro/experts" in game title.
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lol simply stop being noobs ...
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Report him. Explain why he was noob. I reported mega noobs in my team only when I lost game. They got usualy 5 days. ;D
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Hi, I have a little problem with pro players. When we have got 2 hardnoobs in our team we still can win, but if there are pros in opposite team we can do nothing to stop them. Is there any rule that allow us raport and ban pros in noob games? I know, that they have a lot of fun, getting godlikes etc., but is it fair? Votekick is not the solution, because opposite team is fine with godlike team mate, so they wont vote...
I am talking about players playing 90% games with "pro/experts" in game title.
Ofc, you can report a pro in noob game. If he will get a ban or not, moderator decides.
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Report him. Explain why he was noob. I reported mega noobs in my team only when I lost game. They got usualy 5 days. ;D
Before you answer, read that one more time man.
Pros in noob games and noobs in pro games... how to decide whos noob and who is pro. I think its like talking about existing god or how big is universe. Neverending story.
Thats a simple point of view.
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I dont mind if my teammates are trax, riki, gondar, snip, and they all are buying vanguards and bf. But when one of enemies "random" ES in RD mode, then he gangs/roams and grows like a hell, gets kelens and kills all my team in blink-stun combo, I am just upset...
Anyway thank you for the answer, if next time somebody like him will join, I will report and you will decide.
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Report him. Explain why he was noob. I reported mega noobs in my team only when I lost game. They got usualy 5 days. ;D
Before you answer, read that one more time man.
Pros in noob games and noobs in pro games... how to decide whos noob and who is pro. I think its like talking about existing god or how big is universe. Neverending story.
Thats a simple point of view.
It is easy to determinate if someone is pro. You only have to check the stats of that person and look what games did he play. Look if the name of all the games are "Pro" and how many did he win. How much kills / death, and denny / last hit did he do. Also checking score... it's not very difficult to determinate who is pro and who not.
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I agree with teamplayer, but checking all players takes time... maybe some day bot will help us with that? count rows where game title like '%pro%' or '%expert%' and show result...
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I agree with teamplayer, but checking all players takes time... maybe some day bot will help us with that? count rows where game title like '%pro%' or '%expert%' and show result...
Good suggestion, but I'm not sure if it can be coded.
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No, it's not able. First of all because someone could avoid it with "pr0" (It's a cero), Prof, pr0f, expertz etc etc. There are too much variables to avoid "Pro" or "Expert".
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No, it's not able. First of all because someone could avoid it with "pr0" (It's a cero), Prof, pr0f, expertz etc etc. There are too much variables to avoid "Pro" or "Expert".
I'm not talking for a way to avoid it. And "prof" "expertz" can be detected.
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Well, the program could check everyone and check his stats, kills, deaths, last hits, denies, score, game played, and much more variables and determinate when someone is pro. I think that this could be able to do but then you should forget about the name of the games.
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Well, the program could check everyone and check his stats, kills, deaths, last hits, denies, score, game played, and much more variables and determinate when someone is pro. I think that this could be able to do but then you should forget about the name of the games.
And what if he hasn't played games? Played 1 (or more)game and lost?
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Then he can't be considered like a pro. He is nothing, he is not pro but he is not noob. He should play a determinate number of games to have a status.
I think this is the only way to determinate who is or not pro.
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Then he can't be considered like a pro. He is nothing, he is not pro but he is not noob. He should play a determinate number of games to have a status.
I think this is the only way to determinate who is or not pro.
Sounds great.
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no dont ban pro in noob game sometimes there not pros there just average players that own noob games since there all noobs in there except for one
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if u play only against noobs u will turn out to play like a noob all the time.to learn u must play with better players.sure u lose several games but in time you learn from them.i have 6 months of eurobattle.i've started playing dota a year ago.i'm a student and i stay in a campus where are some players so good that when they formed a team ended up on the podium in romania so i've learned from the best.this is what everyone should do
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if u play only against noobs u will turn out to play like a noob all the time.to learn u must play with better players.sure u lose several games but in time you learn from them.i have 6 months of eurobattle.i've started playing dota a year ago.i'm a student and i stay in a campus where are some players so good that when they formed a team ended up on the podium in romania so i've learned from the best.this is what everyone should do
So if someone just heard of DotA, he should join a pro game?
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no.the ones who want to learn.what dota player wants to stay noob for ever?
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Ok i am total newcomer. Hell yes lets join the pro game so I can learn!! Scenario is simple - the noob will feed and probably leaves (if he is the one with little patience) or gets votekicked - and banned. Perfect start on his journey - it will surely move him out of his noobishness.
No let the new players play noob games. And please do not judge harshly - person who would be totaly lost in pro game can own noob game - he just has to be little bit better and get feed. Especialy in em - he gets 2 kills and he is virtualy unbeatable in lane fight.
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Long time a go when i was newcomer I played a bit. After a while I started to pwn in noob games. It happend more often so i realize that I can join pro games.
Beginning in pro was tough. I didnt pwn at all. I had problems to avoid to be ganked and in many other noobish things.
It takes some time to start to be a solid player, but you cant start from pro games!
1st step is: knowlage of most heros abilities.
2nd step is: knowlage about spots on the map and how may be used by particular heroes (pudge, techies, clockwerk...)
after that steps you are above noobs who dont know that things, but you still need to learn a lot... combos, lasthiting, denying and many, many others.
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In partidilla days stats abuse was considered ban worthy and imho that's exactly what a pro player in nubgames is.
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I think newbies should play noob games to learn hero spells, item making, fights, movement etc.. But for pro games something much, much, much more is needed and that is understanding of the game. Mentioned above are the very basics of DotA.
Not once has happened that some all-knowing noobish player makes 9-1 score who doesn't know when and where to push, when to defend, when to gank woods, goes shopping right after all the opposing heroes died in the fight, when to go for roshan, and so on. Instead just hunting kills all over the map and feeling pro about his stats.
I don't know anything about coding (looking at the discussion in posts above), there can be also "rules" about game names. For an example pro games must be named with "pro" or "expert" as the part of the game name, without things like "pr0", "eXpertZzZ" and stuff...
Now related to the statement above I think that not everyone should be allowed to host games using playdota.eu bot, instead, host should agree with the "rules of hosting" by passing the test or by agreeing to these rules that will educate them how to keep games balanced and give them proper knowledge about commands. I have had times when host didn't know how to change sync limit. There were times when, in the early game, player starts lagging, and host changes sync and pwns him while he's unable to move. Games starting with players pinged above 150 and so on. There are also times when game title is "pro" and the guy in opposing team of the host has !sd in 3 games average 3-12, we're screaming to have him kicked, instead without asking "ready?" or anything host starts the game. This is pure abusing and intentional game ruining! Let's change this.
I am killing with my long, booooring posts, but please, spare some time. Thank you.
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I think newbies should play noob games to learn hero spells, item making, fights, movement etc.. But for pro games something much, much, much more is needed and that is understanding of the game. Mentioned above are the very basics of DotA.
Not once has happened that some all-knowing noobish player makes 9-1 score who doesn't know when and where to push, when to defend, when to gank woods, goes shopping right after all the opposing heroes died in the fight, when to go for roshan, and so on. Instead just hunting kills all over the map and feeling pro about his stats.
I don't know anything about coding (looking at the discussion in posts above), there can be also "rules" about game names. For an example pro games must be named with "pro" or "expert" as the part of the game name, without things like "pr0", "eXpertZzZ" and stuff...
Now related to the statement above I think that not everyone should be allowed to host games using playdota.eu bot, instead, host should agree with the "rules of hosting" by passing the test or by agreeing to these rules that will educate them how to keep games balanced and give them proper knowledge about commands. I have had times when host didn't know how to change sync limit. There were times when, in the early game, player starts lagging, and host changes sync and pwns him while he's unable to move. Games starting with players pinged above 150 and so on. There are also times when game title is "pro" and the guy in opposing team of the host has !sd in 3 games average 3-12, we're screaming to have him kicked, instead without asking "ready?" or anything host starts the game. This is pure abusing and intentional game ruining! Let's change this.
I am killing with my long, booooring posts, but please, spare some time. Thank you.
Allow only some users to host? Well, playdota.eu is a public bot, but the idea is good.
Null for now.
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The hosts are abusing pretty much its truth. However letting only few pple host would kill the idea of public host,or put mods under great pressure (everyone would send pleas for hosting rights)
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Well, yea... That's what I meant, everyone would be allowed to host but he needs to know certain rules first (pass the test or something, I'm sure there wouldn't be more than 50 applications/day for hosting). That way it would be much better I think.
It's just a suggestion anyway, we all want playdota.eu to be even better than it is right now.
Cheers.
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So check this game:
http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=11178
It's about 4:30 am now, and wanna play, only 1 noob game, so join for check, and what see? 5 pros in scourge gettin farmed on noobs. I don't think so, it's learnin for noobs ;P
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So check this game:
http://stats.playdota.eu/?p=gameinfo&gid=11178
It's about 4:30 am now, and wanna play, only 1 noob game, so join for check, and what see? 5 pros in scourge gettin farmed on noobs. I don't think so, it's learnin for noobs ;P
next time Luna won't buy vladimir fo sho ;d
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dolmel1 got dc when host type -ah ::)
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alien u hate me dont you ?
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Report him. Explain why he was noob. I reported mega noobs in my team only when I lost game. They got usualy 5 days. ;D
Before you answer, read that one more time man.
Pros in noob games and noobs in pro games... how to decide whos noob and who is pro. I think its like talking about existing god or how big is universe. Neverending story.
Thats a simple point of view.
hmm... u are right and u are wrong :D god does exist xD but look at it this way, noob game is for noobs, pro game is for pros, noobs arent alowed in pro games and pros should not be alowed in noob games...just like we ban players for being noobs they should too ban pro players for playing their game...this way pros will learn not to go to those games and often they stat abuse :) so i think they have full right to report and to ban pro players that join noob games...and the penalty should be twice as long as before :)
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Ye but there's players who finish every noob game with score ~23-2 and still consider themselfs as a noobs. And in he other hand we have MEGA PROS who feeds whole game, don't know anything about denying or last hitting, teamwork, abilities of his hero - and don't you even DARE to call them NOOBS...
That's what I ment when I said it's like "god exist talk".
P.S. God doesnt exist for me.
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There are few type of "pro" and "noob" players.
1. "Public games pro" players are ppl who think if they know to play like half of heroes they r pro with less then a year of xp.
2. On dota league u can see what "pro" means. U get reported as noob if u dont want to buy curier, not buying wards/dusts and creeping with support heroes.
3. gosu players
I remembered my 1st moments when I started to play dotA. I firstly practiced with bots to learn heroes and when I have learned 70% heroes I started to join noob games. Those games were usually joining public pro players (type 1) and they were powning always ofc and still they were noobish for real pro games as they were saying. I though they were lying then....
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There are few type of "pro" and "noob" players.
1. "Public games pro" players are ppl who think if they know to play like half of heroes they r pro with less then a year of xp.
2. On dota league u can see what "pro" means. U get reported as noob if u dont want to buy curier, not buying wards/dusts and creeping with support heroes.
3. gosu players
I remembered my 1st moments when I started to play dotA. I firstly practiced with bots to learn heroes and when I have learned 70% heroes I started to join noob games. Those games were usually joining public pro players (type 1) and they were powning always ofc and still they were noobish for real pro games as they were saying. I though they were lying then....
4. Me ;D
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No, it's not able. First of all because someone could avoid it with "pr0" (It's a cero), Prof, pr0f, expertz etc etc. There are too much variables to avoid "Pro" or "Expert".
Too much variables but they all have in common "pro" or "expert", and by doing this you could check it more easily.
If someone, however, wants to host pr0 or 3xp3rt then let him be.. But I sincerely doubt it.
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Player could host noob game and in the last second change it to pro for more points.
Player could host game and change it to some generic name so that his friend could join.
There could be a comand like !gopub pro game_name, so ghost automatically ads pro to each game rehost, and game is considered pro in stats.
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well this is a long theme of discussion, i talked with myubernick in channel and has he said there s not much he can do.
Ther's this problem. i play this game for 3/4 months. and ofc i m clearly a nub. but a nub who already played with all heroes, who reads some guides and who seeks to improve with everygame. being so. i m a nub who can use hero skills to kill and clever enough to avoid dying everytime... this makes me get a score where i have more kills then deaths... around 7 kills average and maybe 5 death average...
the FUNNY thing is that i've seen myself kicked millions of times from nub games lobbyies!!! because hosts say's i m a pro ^^. i have a shitty score, and it was made in nub rooms. so give me a brake pls. i m not in the mood to host everytime i want to play.
i never kick players from lobby when i host. i tell that is noob game and start... and if there is any clever guy rying to farm. i ll check they r games played during the game and i warn themn in game "man sry but i ll have to report u in forum, u can t farm us anymore" ... that s where u see if a player is pro or not, if he own s u all and have only pro games played. and that s how i got some banned already and still willl...
i think it could be a host mode where u hostes as a noob game (or pro) and if it was noob game u would receiv less points and your kills would count less... afaik it concerns to me. noob should play to learn not to be in ladder. so i don t care bout stats. i enter a nub game.