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Title: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: TooShade on March 19, 2022, 13:13
Hello all,
It was time noone talked about this, but I want to return on this topic.
Since new PSR system has started I noticed that over 62% (max balanceable for earn PSR) of average game players who have PSR higher than 1700 may receive +0, I opened a complain about this in past, but It got totally ignored.

Now, I don't know if you guys still care about ladder, or not...
But I want to ask @cen to remove at least this function, as long as it makes no sense to play a game and earn +0. About 80% start max is apcetable, but still it limitate you to play.
I understand this is made for force to balance games, but before this system has been experienced, noone noticed that if in early morning I want to play a game and there's the only one lobby for hours with 9 random players, why I should earn +0?
I just want say, if you don't care ladder, remove it then... Why you keep ladder active if you have implemented a no-sense +0/-0 system?

Another thing, I don't host anymore and I play "I don't care mode" lately because retarded mode increased to max level in last months by players, why you maxed startable games to 80%?
I suggested in past to remove command !rs, so game will be simply balanced and played, there are other ways to find a balance criterion.
This system actually ruins hard this server, and noone cares!

Please, if you support my idea/complain, vote for remove this recent system, because It sucks.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: begin on March 19, 2022, 13:26
I think player tooshade is a noob. What was the question though?
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: maq on March 19, 2022, 13:35
Commenting on the forum is unnecessary because soon there will be a mass of 15-year-old vultures, whose only goal is to attack people, even if someone suggests something. An example of this is above.

However, it's no secret that the balance command has nothing to do with balanced game. Low skilled players won't get it anyway, and those who are embraced understand it without translation. So I am behind this idea.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Confused-o_O- on March 19, 2022, 14:31
if you don't care, why do you care? I think it is not because of 62% but because you are 1700+ while teams are 1500 average.

If you want to play Dota just play and if you want points play with equal psr players
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: TooShade on March 19, 2022, 14:53
And what you care if I care?

Dude who is blocked to 1800 PSR how he should play?
Don't say things that are not real please...
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Corristo on March 19, 2022, 15:32
Commenting on the forum is unnecessary because soon there will be a mass of 15-year-old vultures, whose only goal is to attack people, even if someone suggests something. An example of this is above.

Exactly. These players are first to comment to basicaly any post on forum, and they jump in to mock players like gypsys in a fight. But you rarely if ever see them ingame, since they are basicaly inactive players. Don't bother to even respond to them, you just feed their ego's. Let them think they are smart and funny.

On the topic, it makes sense what Shade is saying. The concept is good, but maybe raise the limit to 65% and above.
60-40 ratio should be awarded with at least 1 point.
Even though I don't care about psr, I played many times for 0 point, but if you play this game kinda "competitive" (at least on this server), you want to get some psr points to compete with the top 30.

Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: luke on March 19, 2022, 16:15
Idk if anyone though about it but back then many people were complaining about 99% vs 1% balance and now only 1 person is complaining that he cant stack 99% vs 1%. So maybe it was a good change?
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: TooShade on March 19, 2022, 16:19
Considering I stacked in other team idiots, and not noobs for win, anyway they were haters so logically they play versus. But let me say you one thing...

There's a way for stack in easiest way without abusing any bot commands that you can't even image how to do, should I start abuse this and let's see if they complain old system?
I opened this topic because this server is dying dramatically, noone complains because it's wasted time, not because they like this system.
Start to understand Fat, I'm trying to save this server.
Well since I'm here... I don't know later.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: iErnesto94 on March 19, 2022, 17:26
You cant ask to gain psr by playing in a 1300-1400 game. Any player that wants to be top 5 need to earn his psr by playing at least 1500+ games.

Due to the amount of players, if you want to earn psr you will have to wait till there are players.
When you are top in the ladder you need to w8 in order to find an opponent with similar ranking. Thats how it works in most games. There arent many games that you get points for winning vs the lowest skilled players.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: TooShade on March 19, 2022, 17:52
You have never played in the world of Multiplayer then Ernesto, I assure you that it doesn't work like that.

There is no game where, due to the ranking, noob players don't compete with good ones, it's no-sense what you said, don't take this like an offense but I play multiplayer games for much years, even on other games and I know how it works.

About what you said means this: for example, the whole day there are lobbies which all 1300+ players play, I should wait 24 hours for 1 decent one? Are you serious?
And I didn't say I want decent games, but at least play even lower rate games when I don't have much time to wait, simple.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Corristo on March 19, 2022, 19:35
Why shouldnt you gain psr playing vs 1400 players?
If the balance is alright, whats the problem?
This doesn't make sense ernesto.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: F1AME- on March 20, 2022, 02:15
Why shouldnt you gain psr playing vs 1400 players?
If the balance is alright, whats the problem?
This doesn't make sense ernesto.
bcs dogs will be top 10 and when they get in a good game will ruin psr system is fine
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Corristo on March 20, 2022, 06:16
Why shouldnt you gain psr playing vs 1400 players?
If the balance is alright, whats the problem?
This doesn't make sense ernesto.
bcs dogs will be top 10 and when they get in a good game will ruin psr system is fine

Like you with 0-9 yurnero last time?
Your argument is invalid. We all have good and bad games.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: nikolagay on March 20, 2022, 08:56
Here's a fun thing you can try:

Whenever you see a post like this, just look at the people who complain about +0/-0 system and check their activity in game. Who would've thought Shade would be against it, what a shock... not.

Also, for hypocrites who act like pros now, I've seen your behavior in games whenever you fuck up, so, @TooShade @Flame- @Corristo I'll give you the most valid response I can give you. Since you're so passionate about impoving this community, the best thing you three can do is - LEAVE. I bet people ar far more irritated by your cancerous behavior on forums and in game, and would settle with pretty much any system in which you're not in.

People without basic human manners discussing major community changes, the hell is wrong with you. You three really need a reality slap across your faces.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Corristo on March 20, 2022, 09:44
nikolagay (or who the fuck are you), can you at least please englighten me, what is your ingame nick? because I don't remember that I've ever played with you. You might be one of those inactive players who just came on the forum occasionally to mock players. Just like now.
I was talking ON topic, yet you straight away jumped in to insult and attack players...what a shock, the same attitude what you and some other teletubies have on this forum.

"I bet people ar far more irritated by your cancerous behavior on forums and in game, and would settle with pretty much any system in which you're not in."
-I think you are talking just about yourself here. And I aproove it. You can leave.

Try to be a bit more humble, and don't be so full of yourself. This server is not 10 guys on the forum, who are calling themselfs PRO :D, yet nobody even knows who the fuck are you. Go play Dota2, professionaly, then come back to me, and I might aproove that you are PRO. Otherwise nobody gives a shit ;)
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: nikolagay on March 20, 2022, 10:19
nikolagay (or who the fuck are you), can you at least please englighten me, what is your ingame nick?
nikolagay / joca31, I was most active from 2012 - 2018 and I've been in touch with most players from SS and IHRL, so that leaves me with a question... who are you again?
  You might be one of those inactive players who just came on the forum occasionally to mock players. Just like now.
I was talking ON topic, yet you straight away jumped in to insult and attack players...what a shock, the same attitude what you and some other teletubies have on this forum.
Yes, I am inactive, but I do occassionally come back with a somewhat constructive feedback. Or in this case, to ridicule people like you.
The reason why I did it to YOU SPECIFICALLY is because you're acting like a broken record for months now, you'll get my explanation below.
-I think you are talking just about yourself here. And I aproove it. You can leave.
Already left, talking about you. Clearly you misses the memo, as you always do and as you did on this topic. How? You're focussed on disproving other people's arguments instead of providing some valid improvement options of your own. You always take the easiest route, shitting on other people's suggestions while providing none on your end. Classic dick move.
Try to be a bit more humble, and don't be so full of yourself.
The fact that THIS is coming from YOU to ME is peak irony. People whom I wanted to know me here know me, and I left my fair share of marks on the tournament winners page without making a fuss. Meanwhile, my question still stands, who are YOU again?
I chose not to make a big deal about myself, cause there's literally no point of proving yourself here now, when there's little to no competition compared to glory days. Also, news flash cause you're obviously either ignorant or clueless - people have heard about you ONLY cause Fatality- literally went full meme on you and turned you into a meme. So perhaps you should take your own advice and try to be more humble.

Go play Dota2, professionaly, then come back to me, and I might aproove that you are PRO. Otherwise nobody gives a shit ;)
And this is why you're a broken record - whenever your opinion is attacked you provide a generic BS response such as this one. Aside the fact that this is insanely irrelevant to Lagabuse in general and completely idiotic to even mention, I'll bite, what are YOUR Dota 2 achievements? In which competitive team is AlMiGhTy CoRrIsTo in? You seem to bring this one quite often, so, either set an actual example, or humble yourself and shut your yapper.

I don't provide ideas or general feedback because I left, I am in no position to give any feedback if I am not a part of the end-user product experience. But I will definitely stop by here and then and ridicule people like you, cause you're full of shit, cause at least I set an example when I was active - I did my best to be well-mannerer, I rarely insulted, provoked people, or encouraged bad behavior, I was among the top players on several occasions, I was among the best 1v1 players on Lagabuse at a time (which is shown on the forum), and I even took liberty to perform manual testing of my own once 6.89 and 6.90 versions (can prove that as well). So, again, my question stands - how did YOU contribute in order to make a possitive change here? Which examples have YOU set?
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Corristo on March 20, 2022, 11:09
You got me when you said, "yes I'm inactive".
Didn't even read the rest of your gibberish, since it has absolutely 0 value.
Have a good day sir ;)
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: nikolagay on March 20, 2022, 11:11
Thanks for being the most predictable person on the planet and doing what you do best - proving other people's point. lol

TL:DR on my post above, you summed up my point.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Corristo on March 20, 2022, 11:21
Thanks for being the most predictable person on the planet and doing what you do best - proving other people's point. lol

TL:DR on my post above, you summed up my point.

Whatever dude. Keep trying. you just embarassing yourself here. You are far from triggering me, and your mocking (at least trying) is childish. But if it amuse you, go on :D
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: nikolagay on March 20, 2022, 11:29
Whatever dude. Keep trying. you just embarassing yourself here. You are far from triggering me, and your mocking (at least trying) is childish. But if it amuse you, go on :D
Even while ridiculing I still went on and challenged your opinion, therefore giving you the opportunity to show people at least once that you have a spine.

You decided to prove my point yet again, and act like a broken record by pleading ignorance. As you always do.

You keep making your own words worthless, thus making your existence here have 0 value. So yea, keep up the good work  :y:
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Corristo on March 20, 2022, 11:33
Whatever dude. Keep trying. you just embarassing yourself here. You are far from triggering me, and your mocking (at least trying) is childish. But if it amuse you, go on :D
Even while ridiculing I still went on and challenged your opinion, therefore giving you the opportunity to show people at least once that you have a spine.

You decided to prove my point yet again, and act like a broken record by pleading ignorance. As you always do.

You keep making your own words worthless, thus making your existence here have 0 value. So yea, keep up the good work  :y:

Wrong again. Any opinion coming from an inactive player has 0 value to me.
I don't even understand why I'm wasting time to asnwer to inactive players. Maybe I have some respect for people, even if they are assholes like you.
But keep going, and try HARDER to "RiDICulleee" me :D
You have many resemblences with my child in behaviour btw.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: nikolagay on March 20, 2022, 11:36
Wrong again. Any opinion coming from an inactive player has 0 value to me.
I don't even understand why I'm wasting time to asnwer to inactive players. Maybe I have some respect for people, even if they are assholes like you.
But keep going, and try HARDER to "RiDICulleee" me :D
You have many resemblences with my child in behaviour btw.

Whatever helps you sleep at night  :y:

My questions are still above, so, whenever you feel like evolving - go for it.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: bookeyize on March 20, 2022, 11:39
Corristo do you know me(bookeyize, brewhoneyizze and mostly accs with "ize/izze")
Let me tell you something serious, you're talking about yourself like you're pro player or something, like you're actually good in this game, and you're far away from basics things, and rly not a decent one knowledge about it, when I used to play version 6.9 it wasn't even fun pwning ppl like you (95% of you are like same level or even worst, the players who decide to keep playing old map) pls stop acting like you're important that's clearly not the case, about server problems that happened mostly coz of 2 different versions in the same time, if you actually did transition to v 7,you would be able to play more high level games and you could meet ppl like me there so after that you would understand how bad and low are you in this game, but for you actually not transition to better more improved version is good, and not meeting decent ppl in game especially against you is in your favor, and you're happier like that.
Ppl 6.9 version are main problem of the server keep that on mind.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Corristo on March 20, 2022, 12:23
Corristo do you know me(bookeyize, brewhoneyizze and mostly accs with "ize/izze")
Let me tell you something serious, you're talking about yourself like you're pro player or something, like you're actually good in this game, and you're far away from basics things, and rly not a decent one knowledge about it, when I used to play version 6.9 it wasn't even fun pwning ppl like you (95% of you are like same level or even worst, the players who decide to keep playing old map) pls stop acting like you're important that's clearly not the case, about server problems that happened mostly coz of 2 different versions in the same time, if you actually did transition to v 7,you would be able to play more high level games and you could meet ppl like me there so after that you would understand how bad and low are you in this game, but for you actually not transition to better more improved version is good, and not meeting decent ppl in game especially against you is in your favor, and you're happier like that.
Ppl 6.9 version are main problem of the server keep that on mind.

No dude, im not talking like some pro wtf. I never even said im pro. Im here to have fun, and shared an opinion on the topic Tooshade opened. But retarded kids jump in to attack and insult, even without a reason nowdays. Like you do it now.
Also I didn't say im important. Where the fuck you read this from the context? What's wrong with you?
You are better than me? Of course. Do I care about it? Hell no.

And to react on your v7 topic, I simply don't like that version and I choose to play v6. You can't accept this? your problem. You want to play with me and teach me a lesson? Come play v6. Othewise we won't meet. "higher level games in v7" haha, not in this server.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Corristo on March 20, 2022, 12:23
Corristo do you know me(bookeyize, brewhoneyizze and mostly accs with "ize/izze")
Let me tell you something serious, you're talking about yourself like you're pro player or something, like you're actually good in this game, and you're far away from basics things, and rly not a decent one knowledge about it, when I used to play version 6.9 it wasn't even fun pwning ppl like you (95% of you are like same level or even worst, the players who decide to keep playing old map) pls stop acting like you're important that's clearly not the case, about server problems that happened mostly coz of 2 different versions in the same time, if you actually did transition to v 7,you would be able to play more high level games and you could meet ppl like me there so after that you would understand how bad and low are you in this game, but for you actually not transition to better more improved version is good, and not meeting decent ppl in game especially against you is in your favor, and you're happier like that.
Ppl 6.9 version are main problem of the server keep that on mind.

No dude, im not talking like some pro wtf. I never even said im pro. Im here to have fun, and shared an opinion on the topic Tooshade opened. But retarded kids jump in to attack and insult, even without a reason nowdays. Like you do it now.
Also I didn't say im important. Where the fuck you read this from the context? What's wrong with you?
You are better than me? Of course. Do I care about it? Hell no.

And to react on your v7 topic, I simply don't like that version and I choose to play v6. You can't accept this? your problem. You want to play with me and teach me a lesson? Come play v6. Othewise we won't meet. "higher level games in v7" haha, not in this server.
The majority of players prefer v6. Acknowledge it.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: bookeyize on March 20, 2022, 12:51
The majority of players,should I start list "the players" who are in v6 and v7,for me 95% of you keep playing v6 are hard core noobs,and rhest of it like 5% are far away from decent skills.
Do you want now to list ppl playing v7 and the accounts of them? Also do you have on mind like 30% of ppl quit and left server ,they went on rgc guess why?
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: cen on March 20, 2022, 13:01
Send a game link where you think you deserve to gain PSR and then we can have a discussion.

I wonder why nobody else from top ladder complains about the system, I haven't seen a single one.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: bookeyize on March 20, 2022, 13:13
You’re trying to say that people like you are actually doing good things for the server, but that’s not right and you’re doing the complete opposite, not progressing and going with new map updates are the worst things you can do for the dota1 community and server, don’t talk nonsense because v6  was just the same like some version of dota2, v6 map is old outdated not well balanced and full of broken things and errors, I never said that v7 is perfect, but still there is hope that things will change and balance will be better, I'll explain something briefly : "dinosaurs failed to make evolution and they died, you fail to make progress and transition, so you're smart enough to understand where this going"
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: bookeyize on March 20, 2022, 13:19
Send a game link where you think you deserve to gain PSR and then we can have a discussion.

I wonder why nobody else from top ladder complains about the system, I haven't seen a single one.
I will open a new threat by complaining that they even get points for playing v6. Ppl who plays v6 are unfair on top ladders coz they gain psr and points playing with low ppl avoiding me and rhest decent players from v7.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Corristo on March 20, 2022, 14:17
What do you mean when you say "doing things for this server"?
We are playing.thats what we do.we are not inactive and spam forum to attack active players. Some of v6 players actually supportnfinancially as well.

Do you realize that nobody stops you or others playing v7 right?
You are talking like im the reason that most players prefer v6 over a cheap copy of dota2 lol. The fact is that you barely get players tonplay v7 and you try to blame personally for that..well... im not the one to blame.its the map which is bad.

Funny argument with the dinosaurs. I laughed a good one. There are theories that they actually evolved and survived, just not all of them. (Birds, reptiles etc.)

Lastly, its funny when you say v6 players are gaining psr points from low players.when for you all of us are low players.so whats your problem? Also most v7 lobbies are full with 1400 players so thats for that.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: bookeyize on March 20, 2022, 14:29
I won't argue anymore with you, but mark my words,dota1 won't survive especially version 6.9. From time will just become worst and worst for you and generally the community. It is just sad that you need probably 20+ games to get into v7, but w/e now it's too late...My regards, wish you the best active players of v 6.9 kekw.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: maq on March 20, 2022, 14:36
Happens what I wrote. On eurobattle.net you can't even talk because a herd of 15-year-old sepas converge like a virgin boy to porn. IF you can't express your opinion, how can you change this place? You can't. A child who calls other dogs in public, and of course the administrators do not react. Norm here. Popcorn and laugh. Corristo, If you go to kindergarten it is logical that you have no choice but to lower your level and speak the language of them. And you also have the option of ignoring. Entering a conversation only gives them good food. They tease you because the level of their dissatisfaction with life is so high that they have to vent their emotions somewhere. Yes, yes this is the place; )

Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: nikolagay on March 20, 2022, 14:40
@Corristo Still being a broken record I see. Let's try it like this.

+0/-0 was implemented precisely because the majority of community complained about stackers ruining gaming experience by playing 99/1% games for 1PSR. This was designed mainly to discourage stacking unbalanced games to manipulate the ladder. I can see the logic behind that flow.

You provided your opinion on the topic, but then you started disproving pretty much everyone else's opinion. You basically just brushed off Ernesto without even considering the main reason why this was implemented to begin with.

You've involved yourself in pretty much every discussion which included PSR system changes and v6 / v7 version changes, provided little to no constructive feedback, and basically told everyone who disagreed that "they're not on the skill cap required for their opinion to matter". And you wonder why I picked you out.

Again, who are you, and why should anyone take you seriously at this point?
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Corristo on March 20, 2022, 15:04
You misunderstood me then. The idea is really good, and i support it. But it shouldnt be like ernesto said. If its 50-50 but lets say there are 7 players with 1500 psr, but balance wise its 54-46, it shoulf still award the winner. Anything 65% over , the players in that team should get 0.

As i see you dont even read what i say, you instantly attack like a bullie.i wont go personal and wont drop to your level to insult and mock.

Oh and to answer you, unlike you im still playing on this server.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: nikolagay on March 20, 2022, 15:33
Nope, you misunderstood me. Aside the fact that you agreed with him even though you missed Shade's point, which is quite selfish knowing his history, you did what you always do. This is like, God knows which time I'm seeing you trying to make a point only to undermine other people later on. That's why I went after you.

And no, this isn't anything personal. I'd have to know you, or care about you, in order for it to be personal. So don't flatter yourself, this isn't bullying, I gave you a fair chance to back up your words and you decided to be ignorant.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: nikolagay on March 20, 2022, 15:36
Forgot the "I still play here" argument you keep spitting.

I don't play Dota due to lack of time and interest, but I still care about Dota and the sake of this community. You seem to care only about yourself.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Corristo on March 20, 2022, 15:40
No, you are bringing up fake reasons to bully players here. What you are saying is true only in your head. I feel sorry for you.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: nikolagay on March 20, 2022, 15:49
Again, whatever helps you sleep at night.

You're still pleading ignorance to any of my points or questions so... yea. All in my head  :y:
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Corristo on March 20, 2022, 15:57
Again, whatever helps you sleep at night.

You're still pleading ignorance to any of my points or questions so... yea. All in my head  :y:

Exactly.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on March 20, 2022, 16:48
Didn`t you like leave the server recently
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: nikolagay on March 20, 2022, 17:35
Didn`t you like leave the server recently

A bit less than a year ago, can't remember the exact date. Not relevant anyway.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on March 20, 2022, 18:04
Didn`t you like leave the server recently

A bit less than a year ago, can't remember the exact date. Not relevant anyway.
Not you
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: luke on March 20, 2022, 21:31
>are actually doing good things for the server
>Corristo
>Tooshade

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/f-UIBVsRSDQ/mqdefault.jpg)

I think first one to blame is the administration who can't make a decision and/or take responsibility. Was happening in the last years and is still happening always the same thing. You can even say: people at positions change, nothing changes.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: TooShade on March 21, 2022, 00:40
Well cen,
when happens there is only one lobby and I'm forced to join in one like these:
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6453294

What can I do? I win game alone and this is the result? It's no sense, earning nothing when team got free PSR because I won game for them.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is another, I played without care but still I tryed to win, this happens... And this I want make you understand, playing for what? You know I play for ladder, maybe others don't but I want to play for something.
Don't come to say me why you play for ladder because I can ask: "why there's ladder and don't remove it?".
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6453165


I repeat it for the last time, + 0/-0 can sometimes lead to refusing to play, and it can ruin the gameplay of other users who play for the ladder.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: bookeyize on March 21, 2022, 05:50
Forgot the "I still play here" argument you keep spitting.

I don't play Dota due to lack of time and interest, but I still care about Dota and the sake of this community. You seem to care only about yourself.
Exactly,strong and totally correct words.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on March 21, 2022, 07:55
Didn`t you like leave the server recently
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Confused-o_O- on March 21, 2022, 10:00
You’re trying to say that people like you are actually doing good things for the server, but that’s not right and you’re doing the complete opposite, not progressing and going with new map updates are the worst things you can do for the dota1 community and server, don’t talk nonsense because v6  was just the same like some version of dota2, v6 map is old outdated not well balanced and full of broken things and errors, I never said that v7 is perfect, but still there is hope that things will change and balance will be better, I'll explain something briefly : "dinosaurs failed to make evolution and they died, you fail to make progress and transition, so you're smart enough to understand where this going"

Dota/Dota2 was never balanced and never will be. I don't know how much you know about the history of the game but even now Dota2 has many glitches/op heroes and people are making videos about it.

If you are a decent player you should understand how much time it takes to learn and adapt to the new map, not everyone can or want to do it.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: bookeyize on March 21, 2022, 11:11
You’re trying to say that people like you are actually doing good things for the server, but that’s not right and you’re doing the complete opposite, not progressing and going with new map updates are the worst things you can do for the dota1 community and server, don’t talk nonsense because v6  was just the same like some version of dota2, v6 map is old outdated not well balanced and full of broken things and errors, I never said that v7 is perfect, but still there is hope that things will change and balance will be better, I'll explain something briefly : "dinosaurs failed to make evolution and they died, you fail to make progress and transition, so you're smart enough to understand where this going"

Dota/Dota2 was never balanced and never will be. I don't know how much you know about the history of the game but even now Dota2 has many glitches/op heroes and people are making videos about it.

If you are a decent player you should understand how much time it takes to learn and adapt to the new map, not everyone can or want to do it.
The progression and the new map updates must keep on,or it is pointless.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: iErnesto94 on March 24, 2022, 16:47
I say we should go back to v3.74. Less heroes, less items and more balanced!!
Nice dota era before IceFrog overcomplicated everything :p

V6.9 is too new, too untested and all the other arguments that the guys use for the v7 :)
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Rob_Real on March 26, 2022, 15:33
Tired of this game :(
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: No_LiFeR_xD on March 26, 2022, 19:10
HI @Rob_Real  come back bro you have to be first again. Btw i hope you are fine in Ukraine. Best luck and I hope this war will finish soon as possible.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: TooShade on April 02, 2022, 16:08
I think I should that it's time to go out definitely for real, I will log out from this forum for ever since this it has become a kindergarten full of kids (If you check my last games you can notice it, I won't explain full history).

I already left a game where my teammates destroyed my morality, and I'll take this decision. It's absurd that this server is full of retards, @AntlermanXXL you should create a command instead !p = for ping, something like !bp = Brainping, I don't see much differences between laggers and brain delayed people.

It's impossible I do everything for win, and teammates bring me to lose, also I don't like the new system so, I'm talking to you @cen, you ruined this server hardly, since you are absent for us in this period.
You gave possibility to avoid stack ok, but you have taken away the ability to play with friends, and I swear on what you want I never seen a game where you can't play with friends, this is first. Also +0/-0 system I talked, all knowledgeable staff totally ignored about this topic.
I understand why lovec_kokotov left this server, he was much active here, and you made him go away.
Honestly, this is not my problem, the problem is for competent staff who keeps this server, or try to keep it alive just a little.
In my life, I never saw a big mass of retards like I have met here, and this is disgusting, it's like a pandemic that I call retardment, it's a virus in short words which involves all the people here who are retarded and have mental problems.

2 years ago server was playable, but now impossible. I will go play simulator games which are much better than this bunch of invalid people, and as I said that day, I will disappear forever.
I gave my suggestions, and nobody listened to me, shame.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: baqo on April 02, 2022, 19:04
Hello.
I am a new member and I can say, that this server have about 100 active users, and 10000 are multi acc. I checked forum and there was a lot off complaints about users and staff. I dont know tooshade, but hes right, too much stress in almost every game cuz of people, who want ruin team or are here just for a flame others, not to enjoy the game. I missed dota so I come back after many of my friends already left this place cuz of behaviour others. The decisions of the administrators have nothing to do with the regulations. As soon as I joined I got 2 bans. After talking to other admins, they clearly stated that they do not comply with bans I get. Its all about admins friends, they can do what the want and cuz all people have multi acc, no1 care about ban. But this topic was many times moved, nothing changed. So You can only accept how it is here, or just leave. Im gonna also do the second option. I also dont understand why all turks are so bad. Just every1 act the same, they all flame, they all ruin games. I think its like that because there are not many people active and all turks are the same few people. There is no sense to talk, try to change something, no sense to make ban req, I agree with people who left, few adult who are here, this place is hard ruined. Its not anymore enjoying place.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: begin on April 02, 2022, 23:04
I agree with you guys, turks ruined this place
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: MarvinJunior on April 03, 2022, 13:16
@TooShade hahahahahahahahaha

SELF-AWARENESS MY GUY
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: Confused-o_O- on April 03, 2022, 16:03
is TooShade and baqo the same person? Either that or TooShade found his soul mate  :laugh:
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: baqo on April 05, 2022, 19:09
is TooShade and baqo the same person? Either that or TooShade found his soul mate  :laugh:


Classic turk, trash talker.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: hsakuragi on April 06, 2022, 00:37
Hello.
I am a new member and I can say, that this server have about 100 active users, and 10000 are multi acc. I checked forum and there was a lot off complaints about users and staff. I dont know tooshade, but hes right, too much stress in almost every game cuz of people, who want ruin team or are here just for a flame others, not to enjoy the game. I missed dota so I come back after many of my friends already left this place cuz of behaviour others. The decisions of the administrators have nothing to do with the regulations. As soon as I joined I got 2 bans. After talking to other admins, they clearly stated that they do not comply with bans I get. Its all about admins friends, they can do what the want and cuz all people have multi acc, no1 care about ban. But this topic was many times moved, nothing changed. So You can only accept how it is here, or just leave. Im gonna also do the second option. I also dont understand why all turks are so bad. Just every1 act the same, they all flame, they all ruin games. I think its like that because there are not many people active and all turks are the same few people. There is no sense to talk, try to change something, no sense to make ban req, I agree with people who left, few adult who are here, this place is hard ruined. Its not anymore enjoying place.
someone tell this man that he is as bad as the Turks he criticized. it was enough for me to check one or two of your games to understand how bad you are. No more words are needed, you should know your place
here your proof
the eight players in the top twenty of the current ranking are turkish
last season
#1      Forum Icon:    Server icon: Zeus

          1. @kazutora (TR)
#2      Forum Icon:    Server icon: Trol

          2. @Rob_Real
#3      Forum Icon:    Server icon: Riki

          3. @Caneee (TR)
#4-10 Forum Icon:    Server icon: Viper

          4. lovec_kokotov
          5. alexsundar
          6. redpanickaterna (TR)
          7. greatwolf.
          8. g.r.u.n.t
          9. [n]ladder-
        10. zdrabranding
#11-20 Forum Icon:    Server icon: Bone

       11. sxerboix^ (TR)
       12. smaaaaraaaac   
       13. borilla
       14. trafalgarl4w (TR)
       15. chameleon^
       16. vitko
       17. no_lifer_xd
       18. nodotanollfe (TR)
       19. delidumrul (TR)
       20. capitala
       21.BAZARCI (TR) (BEST ONE) I didn't play much because they awarded the
       top 25 the previous season, but they gave the top 20 :D unlucky.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: baqo on April 06, 2022, 17:43
Hello.
I am a new member and I can say, that this server have about 100 active users, and 10000 are multi acc. I checked forum and there was a lot off complaints about users and staff. I dont know tooshade, but hes right, too much stress in almost every game cuz of people, who want ruin team or are here just for a flame others, not to enjoy the game. I missed dota so I come back after many of my friends already left this place cuz of behaviour others. The decisions of the administrators have nothing to do with the regulations. As soon as I joined I got 2 bans. After talking to other admins, they clearly stated that they do not comply with bans I get. Its all about admins friends, they can do what the want and cuz all people have multi acc, no1 care about ban. But this topic was many times moved, nothing changed. So You can only accept how it is here, or just leave. Im gonna also do the second option. I also dont understand why all turks are so bad. Just every1 act the same, they all flame, they all ruin games. I think its like that because there are not many people active and all turks are the same few people. There is no sense to talk, try to change something, no sense to make ban req, I agree with people who left, few adult who are here, this place is hard ruined. Its not anymore enjoying place.
someone tell this man that he is as bad as the Turks he criticized. it was enough for me to check one or two of your games to understand how bad you are. No more words are needed, you should know your place
here your proof
the eight players in the top twenty of the current ranking are turkish
last season
#1      Forum Icon:    Server icon: Zeus

          1. @kazutora (TR)
#2      Forum Icon:    Server icon: Trol

          2. @Rob_Real
#3      Forum Icon:    Server icon: Riki

          3. @Caneee (TR)
#4-10 Forum Icon:    Server icon: Viper

          4. lovec_kokotov
          5. alexsundar
          6. redpanickaterna (TR)
          7. greatwolf.
          8. g.r.u.n.t
          9. [n]ladder-
        10. zdrabranding
#11-20 Forum Icon:    Server icon: Bone

       11. sxerboix^ (TR)
       12. smaaaaraaaac   
       13. borilla
       14. trafalgarl4w (TR)
       15. chameleon^
       16. vitko
       17. no_lifer_xd
       18. nodotanollfe (TR)
       19. delidumrul (TR)
       20. capitala
       21.BAZARCI (TR) (BEST ONE) I didn't play much because they awarded the
       top 25 the previous season, but they gave the top 20 :D unlucky.


Ty for wasting for useless info. Also ty for ur opinion, but I totally dont listen noobs like u.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: hsakuragi on April 07, 2022, 14:12
i played a game with you, the result is obvious, you're just talking sad for you noob
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6456774
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: baqo on April 07, 2022, 16:34
i played a game with you, the result is obvious, you're just talking sad for you noob
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6456774


The link you provided is proof that you attack with insults for no reason as soon as someone joins the game, which can be checked in the logs, what your doing also here. I copy paste what I said to u in this game "keep talking to urself", game started 3 2 1... -mute 5
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: hsakuragi on April 08, 2022, 12:58
you are talking about the wrong person im not OTT
36:19   gofrettiN   bo
36:26   gofrettiN   swap baqo top
36:32   gofrettiN   !f
36:35   gofrettiN   4 tr
36:35   gofrettiN   down
36:40   Spiritbreakerr   !f
36:40   RedPanicKaterna   !f
36:43   gofrettiN   he dont like tr players
36:51   gofrettiN   so we dont have to play with this dog
and you lost against 4 NOOB TR player
+You insulted me with whisper in the game, let me remind you :D
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: cen on May 03, 2022, 09:31
Would +1/-2 for unbalanced lobby be any good?
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: TooShade on May 03, 2022, 13:23
It's perfect, what about of starting on 81+%?
Actually we can't...
I'm not asking to remove this function, but I'm asking what are you going to do?
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: FataLity- on May 03, 2022, 16:53
I also agree that its hard to start with your friend with high psrs mostly due 2 maps. But Tooshade can your case be more related to kicking good players or taking them to your team even though they are not your friends?
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: TooShade on May 03, 2022, 20:07
I'm not hosting anymore, whatever it's fine, even playing vs friends.
This is not a game where you (in general) can play with friends, at least that cen removes the command !rs, but it's impossible, It means you should trust balance so like it is...

Ah another thing I wanted say, Win Rate in the !rs command can be removed, it's useless and I never saw a player who like it.
Title: Re: What do you think about +0/-0 PSR System?
Post by: luke on May 04, 2022, 00:00
idk, i never had problems playing with friends even when we are 4. I think only stackers have problem