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Title: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: BaKiBaKiBaKi on February 04, 2020, 18:15: Many times i noticed that my 2nd talent is getting upgraded automatically, last game i was earthshaker and again i noticed the same thing and its not just upgrading automatically but also the talent doesnt work, earthshaker's 2nd talent is +7 armor but i had 6 armor + 0.5 i think , where is my +7 armor ?

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Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: Ayd.Mev on February 04, 2020, 18:58: your armor was detained by cen,you are a bad boy cen
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: grga_man on February 04, 2020, 23:21: Sometimes happens that your talent tree is visible, and you just click it near it and both talents are choosen, but mostly it is left one, but to achieve it you need to die first, to progress it..
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: Jimmy on February 04, 2020, 23:40: Its implemented in your Core [base] Armor
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: BaKiBaKiBaKi on February 05, 2020, 20:21: My armor before the game ended was 6 , plus 0.5 , where are the +7 armor ?
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: nikolagay on February 05, 2020, 21:42: Quote from: BaKiBaKiBaKi on February 05, 2020, 20:21
My armor before the game ended was 6 , plus 0.5 , where are the +7 armor ?

Just reviewed the replay, looks like you haven't even picked the Level 15 talent to begin with. That's why you didn't receive any armor from it.

Please review attached screenshot for detailed info.

Edit:
Quote from: Jimmy on February 04, 2020, 23:40
Its implemented in your Core [base] Armor
Armor gain is implemented into bonus armor. Confirmed via testing.
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: Jimmy on February 05, 2020, 23:14: @nikolagay
Another thing, Ogre Mage has +100 Damage as talent option, its implemented as Bonus.
Altho , on WD , +75 Bonus [maybe it was Seer] , it implements on Base Damage.
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: nikolagay on February 05, 2020, 23:25: Quote from: Jimmy on February 05, 2020, 23:14
@nikolagay
Another thing, Ogre Mage has +100 Damage as talent option, its implemented as Bonus.
Altho , on WD , +75 Bonus [maybe it was Seer] , it implements on Base Damage.

I think Damage and Armor gains implement in Bonus, while all stat gains from talents implement into Base. Will check.
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: nikolagay on February 06, 2020, 00:13: A bit off-topic, but oh well.

Confirmed my own statement from above. As for summons, all damage bonuses go into Base damage. Warlock's Level 25 talent "+25 armor to Infernals" armor goes into Bonus armor.

As for Centaur, his Level 15 talent states that he gains "+30 Base damage", yet the damage gain is implemented in Bonus damage. That's most likely an error.
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: Jimmy on February 06, 2020, 05:01: So either all Talent bonuses should be Bonus, or all should be Core.
Should mention this to Dracolich
@DracoL1ch
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: nikolagay on February 06, 2020, 12:18: Not sure if it's smart for damage talents to fo directly into Base damage, as it would be seriously OP on some heroes and spells.

As for attribute bonuses going into Base stats, I'd have to test a few things first before saying anything as I'm really unaware of differences it may have if switched into Bonus.

I'm sure there's a valid point behind this, I'm just too dumb to see it early in the morning. Since @DracoL1ch is already mentioned, he can elaborate if he has time, and also confirm if Centaurs Level 15 talent is supposed to go into Base damage or not.
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: BaKiBaKiBaKi on February 06, 2020, 13:05: im pretty sure that when i played with ES i saw 10 times that talent with +7 armor was picked and nothing was shown on the hero, it stood 6 armor + 0.5, and what is more important is that i never clicked on that talent.

Last game when i was with pudge, i started picking talents when i was 15th level, then you have the option to pick two talents right? When i clicked on my first talent then automatically the next one was picked to...im not drunk.
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on February 06, 2020, 13:08: Quote from: BaKiBaKiBaKi on February 06, 2020, 13:05
im pretty sure that when i played with ES i saw 10 times that talent with +7 armor was picked and nothing was shown on the hero, it stood 6 armor + 0.5, and what is more important is that i never clicked on that talent.

Last game when i was with pudge, i started picking talents when i was 15th level, then you have the option to pick two talents right? When i clicked on my first talent then automatically the next one was picked to...im not drunk.

Provide replay for every case you mention, please
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on February 06, 2020, 13:09: Btw there is an official place where you can report map bugs

And this place is not here

that`s about @mentioning part of this thread
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: nikolagay on February 06, 2020, 13:11: Quote from: BaKiBaKiBaKi on February 06, 2020, 13:05
im pretty sure that when i played with ES i saw 10 times that talent with +7 armor was picked and nothing was shown on the hero, it stood 6 armor + 0.5, and what is more important is that i never clicked on that talent.

Last game when i was with pudge, i started picking talents when i was 15th level, then you have the option to pick two talents right? When i clicked on my first talent then automatically the next one was picked to...im not drunk.

Haven't experienced anything similar during online playing or testing.

Don't forget that you can choose only one talent per level, and the interaction is pretty much the same as it is with leveling spells. You cannot cheat the game by leveling spells until level 15 and then instaleveling two talents at once.
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: 3zz3 on February 06, 2020, 13:24: I whos lvl 10 in a game in a team fight had i lvl to take in talents right when i clicked the talent i died and i still had a lvl to put into spells and i had talent unlocked
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: BaKiBaKiBaKi on February 06, 2020, 13:27: Many heroes have spells that are more important than the talent, so with pudge i pick third level and then i pick talents, so i can pick my first talent on level 15 and then i can pick 2 talents in same time, when i pick the first talent then automatically the 2nd one is picked, so if thats the problem then you should fix it.
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: Jimmy on February 06, 2020, 13:45: @AntlermanXXL
We arent reporting a bug at the moment, we just want to consult with Drakolich and other members if it is actually a bug.
If/when we confirm that it is a bug, then we can report it.
Thats what we are doing basicly
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: nikolagay on February 06, 2020, 13:48: Quote from: BaKiBaKiBaKi on February 06, 2020, 13:27
Many heroes have spells that are more important than the talent, so with pudge i pick third level and then i pick talents, so i can pick my first talent on level 15 and then i can pick 2 talents in same time, when i pick the first talent then automatically the 2nd one is picked, so if thats the problem then you should fix it.

And there's your problem mate.

Talents have the same requirements as spells:

- Level requirement;
- Skill point requirement.

In your case, you do meet the Level requirement, but you're trying to level up two talents for the cost of one skill point. You need one level = one skill point to level a L10 talent, and another level = skill point to level a L15 talent.

What happens in your case is, you get level 15, you pick the desired Level 10 talent, and at that point the Talent tree popup closes automatically, since you spent your skill point and have none left. This is how talent leveling should work, and it is not a bug.
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on February 06, 2020, 13:49: Quote from: Jimmy on February 06, 2020, 13:45
If/when we confirm that it is a bug, then we can report it.
Thats what we are doing basicly
Okay
I just worry about someone who has to check different information sources instead of only one
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: nikolagay on February 06, 2020, 13:51: Quote from: Jimmy on February 06, 2020, 13:45
@AntlermanXXL
We arent reporting a bug at the moment, we just want to consult with Drakolich and other members if it is actually a bug.
If/when we confirm that it is a bug, then we can report it.
Thats what we are doing basicly

He's kinda right for lecturing us, @mention wasn't necessary and furthermore, we started an off-topic discussion to begin with. We should consider reporting these or at least inquire about it through valid channels.

@AntlermanXXL Thanks for bringing it to our attention, and for being kind enough to do it subtly.
Title: Re: Talents bug or maybe not ?
Post by: Jimmy on February 06, 2020, 15:18: i used the mention to consult with Drakolich, maybe he knows something we dont, or perhaps this is actually a bug and it is reported.