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Ban & Unban Section => Complaints Board => Topic started by: .SaLiH. on March 28, 2020, 23:10
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1: Your NickName?
MoreThanSumiya
2: NickName of the player that you want to be banned?
pomidorD , molivce.mk
3: What rule did he/they break?
bug abuse
4: When was the Rule (Time of The Game) Broken?
If you want to confirm that its abuse, try checking 6-10 Game Time ( Where player gets lvl6 and does huge amount of dmg to players )
5: Explain to us your general vision about the situation.
There is some kind of bug/abuse which Tuskar can almost one shot with Walrush Punch. Shortly, it does much more damage than it supposed to do. I also asked in LA Discord Server Dracol1ch just to make sure and he agreed. You can confirm that by checking #dota chat-board. Its just that my team cant keep up with the pace and probably most of players are not aware of it so they cant counter and they think only of giving up. I dislike that, thats why I decided to post.
6: Link of the game? (if applies)
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6265659
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6266440
ps: If its going to be denied due to some not valid reason, I will skip posting again.
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It also seems that Critical ignores Base+Bonus Armor , with Negative Armor items and spells , it hits tremenduos.
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So, do we wait for a response from b&u mod? I mean, a warning to players could also be possible
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If you agree i would move this to S&C to get more feedback if that is acceptable?
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If you agree i would move this to S&C to get more feedback if that is acceptable?
I Agree
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Intresting, I couldnt expect something differents from that kind of players... pomidord the real abuser.
Hope so dracolich will take this serious and nerf that as soon as posible,would be the best solution if u ask me. Ppl can complain with right about manny more things(like visage),but this is a bit specific since they abuse that as bug,just gave my opinion.
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Yeah i played a game againts them and i was surprised when they went for the tusk first pick on rd and tbh didnt pay attention to his dmg but he managed to make 25 kills that game.
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What about MonkeyKing bug? On level 2 or level 3 with stun + 500 critical damage with 50% chance to use critical + 20% or more life steal per hit, jump and kill with 2-3 hits and slow. Hero is weak later.
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if you find a bug you need to report it to http://d1stats.ru/report/ and wait for the next update or go back to the last map version.
p.s. I think we should not, it is a minor bug and use it while you can.
Draco probably will fix it in next patch. The next patch is going to be huge too, probably. However, I do not agree that it should be used. Then, again, why abuse of Borrowed Time lead to ban? Balanar's ulti lead to ban, too. Even not known bug with Invoke + Essence Aura was fixed. This one should be also. As I mentioned, I am not providing this just because I lost or got killed many times or just as some anger but its an abuse and players should be inform not to use that otherwise it would lead to warn-ban.
What about MonkeyKing bug? On level 2 or level 3 with stun + 500 critical damage with 50% chance to use critical + 20% or more life steal per hit, jump and kill with 2-3 hits and slow. Hero is weak later.
As for MonkeyKing, hero is indeed broken but its not bug tbh. Its same in dota2
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Do you have any information of when the new Map is gonna go out.
IMO , if we didnt apply ban for it so far, we shouldnt now.
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Do you have any information of when the new Map is gonna go out.
IMO , if we didnt apply ban for it so far, we shouldnt now.
> Do you have any information of when the new Map is gonna go out.
No, but probably in following months (just a prediction due to Kaya reveal)
> IMO , if we didnt apply ban for it so far, we shouldnt now.
Ok, so I will go and spam Tuskar in everygame. Is that ok?
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Do you have any information of when the new Map is gonna go out.
IMO , if we didnt apply ban for it so far, we shouldnt now.
> Do you have any information of when the new Map is gonna go out.
No, but probably in following months (just a prediction due to Kaya reveal)
> IMO , if we didnt apply ban for it so far, we shouldnt now.
Ok, so I will go and spam Tuskar in everygame. Is that ok?
Feel like i told my teenage son he shouldnt drink beer.
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exactly! it makes no sense telling him if you are drinking beer!
btw:
Since this is official complain ,treat it like that.
And please , in official section, keep it official.
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=189195.msg693098#msg693098
You should consider warning yourself or deleting your post!
As for Tuskar bug abuse:
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=181958.msg652558#msg652558
Let it be allowed !
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I think we should first decide if the current tusk's ulti is a bug or it's just OP in the current patch.
Every dota patch has had OP spells that got nerfed in the next patches, but if we are talking about a bug that a spell does way more damage than what the spell's description says then it should be considered as a bug.
Now if someone is abusing this bug then that is called bug abuse, which is against the rules.
Easy fix would be if Draco released a new patch with this being fixed, but this will take a while.
I don't know just how much this "mass dmg tusk ult" actually matters in a game, if it gives huge advantage to whichever team plays tusk and is aware of this bug then we can consider it as a bug abuse. If the spell just deals more dmg than usual and doesnt really have a huge impact in the game's balance then we can just call it an OP spell.
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I noticed some people play only tuskar but didnt realize why. Indeed seems that it does too much damage. But isnt it like 4x crit? If you have 150 damage it will do 600.
I think its way too strong but not sure if its bug. Need to investigate it, post description of spell and check how much damage it does
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I think we should first decide if the current tusk's ulti is a bug or it's just OP in the current patch.
Every dota patch has had OP spells that got nerfed in the next patches, but if we are talking about a bug that a spell does way more damage than what the spell's description says then it should be considered as a bug.
Now if someone is abusing this bug then that is called bug abuse, which is against the rules.
Easy fix would be if Draco released a new patch with this being fixed, but this will take a while.
I don't know just how much this "mass dmg tusk ult" actually matters in a game, if it gives huge advantage to whichever team plays tusk and is aware of this bug then we can consider it as a bug abuse. If the spell just deals more dmg than usual and doesnt really have a huge impact in the game's balance then we can just call it an OP spell.
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=181958.msg652558#msg652558 ---> Gives Movement Speed and Attack Speed ( it has impact on game but its not a hack, right, it is a bug )
Coder of map himself said it is considered as bug abuse. I mentioned this many times, idk what else can satisfy you?
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I already explained this to you; if a spell does what it's written in the spell's description but is considered too powerful then that spell is OP not a BUG. If the spell does more damage than from what it's written in its description then it's a BUG not an OP spell.
The example that you gave about Night Stalker's bug was that of a bug abuse because the spell did something different from what it's written in the spell's description (I believe in NS case, the hero would get perma ulti)
What would satisfy me would be Tusk's ulti being tested and examined if his ulti does more damage than it is written in his spell description.
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Just did some tests with the Puppet and if the normal hit does 90-100 damage, Walrus Punch did 520-580, so it is definitely a bug.
p.s. it works only if you cast Walrus Punch manually, auto-cast does way less damage.
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ok, i'll test it to confirm it
the only problem is that in night stalker's case it was obvious who abuses the bug, but in tusk's case anyone can abuse the bug without their intention.
the only solution would be to ban any user who plays tusk, unless someone has a better idea?
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I have: can ban who spams tuskar, meaning plays tuskar 2 times within 5 games for example, the more the more ban?
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the only solution would be to ban any user who plays tusk, unless someone has a better idea?
If mister Confused is right and bug works only at manual ultimate usage, probably people should be:
1) Warned (twice max) in game by bug-aware people, once bug usage is noticed
2) Banned in case they abuse the bug after warns
+ Some approaches to increase bug awareness
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Or just pick wisp, get +9999 armor talent and blademail tuskarr in games
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1) Warned (twice max) in game by bug-aware people, once bug usage is noticed
2) Banned in case they abuse the bug after warns
This is option too but you need to consider that all use it manually, its habit. I mean does anyone even use it with autoccast? Or slarder ulti ?
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This is option too but you need to consider that all use it manually, its habit. I mean does anyone even use it with autoccast? Or slarder ulti ?
I have to use Walrus punch on autocast sometimes, because for random reasons, manual usage has extremely big delay, sometimes order even gets cancelled, mega weird
Using walrus manually is not comfortable with this delay
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Soon I will provide information, just to clarify this issue. Give me some time!
Edit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qAD0xk5q-k
This is the outcome of my test. I dont really know how to calculate correctly so didnt go in that direction.
Also here is information from draco:
I wouldnt recommend banning for that
because you dont have to know the bug to use it
just try to push your players to avoid picking it
He said he cant remember the trigger causing so high dmg. Due to this we cannot know as draco pointed. Seems like there is nothing left to discuss. Thanks anyway
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Sorry to disturb but +1 for song in test :D
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yeah I also tested it and it's confirmed that warlus punch does more damage when it's used manually, meanwhile it does normal damage when the toggle is enabled.
the normal crit is 3.5x but the bug counts it as about 5x crit so the more dmg tusk gets the higher crit dmg becomes.
about the solution; idk as of now, there isn't really a solution that solves the problem but we'll most likely sanction ppl who obviously try to take advantage over this bug
Sorry to disturb but +1 for song in test :D
and yes, the song was a 10/10, added to my playlist xd
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well 1.5 isnt much difference like u said killing in one shot lvl 6. ofc combined with desolator is deadly and it allways was.
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Im unsure if you got that part of my reply.
Walrus Punch Ignores Base+Bonus armor , therefore making it stupidly OP.
Solar-Desolator-Assault and/or other armor reducing ability will have immense effect on the hero.
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song credit goes to @beastiary !
about the solution; idk as of now, there isn't really a solution that solves the problem but we'll most likely sanction ppl who obviously try to take advantage over this bug
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new release should be soon (1-2 months maybe idk) till then, we deer!
Thanks