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« on: October 06, 2010, 04:48 »
Wow, well, I only reply when it's deserved, and quite obviously it's deserved here.
If this guy's lagging like hell, then why does he join a game? He made a conscious decision to join this game, even though he was lagging. This only means that even more so this guy should be banned. He knew he was lagging, he knew the risks, he joined anyway.
Secondly, it's his bot you say? Im sure the head admins are the owners of this bot and ofcourse pay for it (and I am just as thankful for it as any other member of this community!), but I figure a guy who has been recruited as a ban mod has not paid more than 10$ for it, if any money at all. It's not his bot, he only obtained temporary rights to help run it, which he apparently does not excercise properly, and he has responsibilities. He did abuse his power by unbanning himself without any kind of trial whatsoever, setting the ethics on here back a couple of centuries. Well done!
Yes indeed he asked me a simple question, to which I gave him a simple answer, IN ACCORDANCE WITH A RULE (Player must not leave). Smart remarks my ass. If you somehow think the rules do not apply or are formulated wrongly, then tough luck to you, it's there whether you like it or not. The rules have been defined, it's up to us to follow them. And follow them I did. Only to get threatened with a ban and ridiculed by you for little reason. You seem to have missed the point that I was working towards, which is "the rules need to be properly defined".
I understand that there is a deal of stress when it comes to running this bot. No need to take it out on me though, I understand perfectly that this bot has downtime and that it sometimes lags. I never whine about those things. Personally I think having 11 ping is absolutely fantastic. If, for you, the benefits arent apparent anymore, then I cannot help you.
I never said he used any kind of vulgarity against me, seriously do you know how to read? Oh, and I taunted the admin? LAWL? Please point out where I "taunted" this mod. I merely stated the reason of his ban and pointed out how he could undo the ban, which IMFO is perfectly normal. Other people in the lobby might have replied less mercifully because, let's be frank, this guy was being a complete idiot. I replied "super cool story" because he was bragging about being a mod, I dont see how that counts as "taunting". Be advised that I am only responsible for my OWN remarks, not those of others (I dont exactly know how the legal system in your country works!)
I will state the following because evidently it's not clear: I am trying to help. With or without me buggering you, the rules are not properly defined, the mods are not doing their jobs, and people are losing faith in the banrequest system. I am merely trying to point these things out. And yes, it is unfortunate that some mods really need to be removed from office in order to improve this bot but it has to be done. Period.
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« on: October 06, 2010, 02:13 »
Hello. I am leaving the community this (poorly photosouped) collage of screenshots. This apparent ban mod who goes by the nickname of "night_must_fall" joined our previous game and cleverly decided to drop/ALT-F4 during the loading phase, leaving the rest of us, nine players all in all, with a good 15 minutes of our lives ruined. I banned him for this, but in the rmk lobby this Mighty Mod decided to join us once again and drop the following lines:  Now Id like to draw your attention to the following: Nowhere in the rules is stated that players are allowed to leave, under ANY circumstance. Go ahead, check them. With this as our foundation, I would say that the rule "Abusing ban command is not allowed." does not apply here. At all. He left the game, so I banned him for leaving. Period. Not only has this mod abused his power by unbanning himself straight away, instead of going through the mandatory unban request procedure, he has also unfairly threatened to ban me for breaking a rule which does not apply! Note how people in the lobby concur that this mod is on a "power-trip" and that he should be "fucked whether he is an admin or not". I have posted in the rules section before on an admin who had not only handled a case completely wrong and unjust, but who had also proven he is completely inadequate for the job of ban mod ( http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,22256.0.html). And now I encounter this person, who, despite his English, which is marginally (okay, more than marginally  ) better than ArkShu's, still has no adequate knowledge of the rules and who treated me, as a host, unfairly. Whether "night_must_fall" really left or just dropped due to a bad connection, I ofcourse cannot say with certainty. What is certain, however, is that he should definetely be banned under the rule "Player must not leave". Even if he did drop because of a bad connection, it was definetely power abuse to unban himself without going through the procedure of requesting an unban, and it was power abuse, or at least definetely ignorance to the rules, to threaten me with a ban for breaking a non-existent rule. I am beginning to get slightly scared of hosting a game. There seem to be a lot of invisible rules for being a "bad host". Not checking stats is bannable? LMAO. Banning someone who leaves during the loading phase bannable? LMAO. Where would I find these offenses in the rules then? As I did in my previous post in this section, I again implore you to: a) Redefine the rules so that they can be understood by everyone (it's only fair), or if you, as PD.eu, aren't able, to have them remade by someone who understands both english and properly defining rules. b) Evaluate the people you have appointed as ban mods. By my own experiences and by reading up on some ban requests, I can say that nearly 50% of the current mod pool is completely not up to the task. They do not know the rules well, they can not express themselves in english, and they are not polite and impartial. Oh and last but not least, most of them have the what I call "apemso" idea of how DotA works, which is just not how actual DotA works (Terms like "balance", "pro", "team noob" and "wait till I get my eaglehorn" are in the "apemso" sphere of DotA lore) TL;DR and conclusion: Another day, another power-tripping mod, who has absolutely no business whatsoever being a ban mod, ball-busted. I have asked that you review the rules and mod pool before. Perhaps now it really is time to get to it? PS. Since the rules appear to be changing by the day, I will include a full copy of the rules as they are today.Lobby Rules * Player must not spam;
* User must not flame;
* Player must not enter the game lobby, unless he has atleast 1 hour of free time;
* Game owner must not abuse commands;
Ingame Rules * Player must not spam :
- User is not allowed to use !rmk more than once in 5 mintues
- User is not allowed to use !checkban more than once in 5 mintues
- User is not allowed to use !votekick more than once in 5 mintues
- User is not allowed to save the game;
* Player must not flame;
* Player must not leave;
* Player must not unplug;
* Player must not stay AFK;
* Player must not use any kind of hack(s). Every abusing of bot bug or inner DotA game bug will be considered as hack;
* Player is allowed to stay at fountain with the intention of killing heroes for better stats by participating in only 10 kills;
NOTE: This rule is applied only for games saved in season ladder.
* Player must enter games corresponding his DotA skills;
* Player is allowed to use leaver in the game, but it is forbidden to feed opponent with him on purpose;
NOTE: Destroying items, that belong to an ally is not allowed as any kind of share abuse.
* Player must not stop playing and ruining the game.
* Game owner must take control of the game:
NOTE: Abusing ban command is not allowed.
* Game owner must mute spammers/flamers;
* Game owner is responsible for the stability of the game;
* Game owner must balance the teams;
NOTES: If number of players in the opposing team is greater than 3 players and the game mode includes -so (-switchon) you are free to leave the game without ban;
If number of players in the opposing team is greater then 2 players and the game mode does not include -so (-switchon) you are free to leave the game without ban;
After playing 35mins, switching is not necessary.
* Game owner must vote kick every rule breaker;
* If 40% of users in game complain about unplayable conditions (with !rmk) in the first 10 minutes of the game, all players have to leave (and game owner can rehost the game).
Examples: 4 players of 10 vote for game remake.
4 players of 9 vote for game remake.
3 players of 8 vote for game remake.
3 players of 7 vote for game remake.
2 players of 6 vote for game remake.
2 players of 5 vote for game remake.
2 players of 4 vote for game remake.
1 player of 3 vote for game remake.
Using more than 1 account to evade a ban is not allowed.
NOTE: It is allowed to have more than 1 accounts on different realms.
Backdoor is not forbidden!
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« on: September 29, 2010, 00:46 »
Or he could have just pmed another mod, and asked him/her to look at it.
Aside from setting this ban issue straight, I wanted to bring the underlying problem to the attention of the public, namely the vagueness of the rules and the idiocy and incompetence of a significant number of ban mods, as well as to publicly expose this mod's incompetence. I hope my intentions are clear now.
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« on: September 28, 2010, 01:10 »
We are not looking for new moderators anymore at the moment
Though if you were, Id consider applying
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« on: September 27, 2010, 20:40 »
Well it's good to see justice has been served, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I don't usually pm administrators with these kinds of problems, because in some fora it can have nasty side effects (such as getting banned for "harassment") I hope there will be some major changes in the rules soon, to make them more clear for everybody. But seriously, please sweep a broom through the mod ranks, some of these people are beyond retarded and just not suited for the job (as illustrated in the above rant novels and no doubt in your own experiences here).
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« on: September 27, 2010, 16:41 »
I detect no logic whatsoever in this. We lose, so there is no team? What the hell is that even supposed to mean? I did not feed, my score was 3-5-6. It seems you have completely the wrong idea of how dota is supposed to work!
I have proven you wrong on at least two counts now, and I havent even started yet on the share abuse ban, which you denied and still owe me a motivation for. Instead of actually providing me valid arguments, you choose to reply with retarded oneliners which make no sense and are based on nothing.
I remember reading a "mod recruiting" post a couple of weeks ago with some criteria. Unfortunately I don't seem to be able to find the post, but let's juxtapose the ones I can remember with your abilities, shall we?
- You do not possess acceptable english skills
- You do not know the rules
- You do not reply professionally and properly
Are there any administrators reading up on this? Perhaps it is time to evaluate the mod pool!
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« on: September 27, 2010, 16:23 »
and what to play if u dont have team aaa????what???alone'
He had a team. Or do I (and several other sentinel players) not exist? Difficult question, that one. Just because we were losing does not give him an excuse to stop playing. Do you have Asperger's?
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« on: September 27, 2010, 16:02 »
man to be onest....we(mods)have to think like a plyer dose.....if u ware in his situation when the team was owned 0/5 3/9 3/5 did u play anymore????and it wasnt afk....he spoke with the team...he farm in woods
he just stop playing for his stats y guess and to not improve the enemys stats....a right decision....if y was in that game....if y was him....y whold do the same
y wont ban a guy who wont play cose his team just feed the others....
y wont ban a player who will stop playing just cose dont have a team to play....
DOTA means TEAM PLAy if u dont have team why to play???
Really? You have to think like the players do? What about the NINE other players whose game he ruined? Ever think about them? He wasn't afk no, thats why the rules say player must not stop playing. He did not defend, he did not enter teambattles, he did nothing to help us win. And he only "farmed" for a very short time. For most of the game, he was in our fountain. DotA is a team game you say? Well I could not agree more. Stats? Really? I can imagine why lobotomized pubbie weasels think stats are more important than actually winning the game, but I didnt expect this from a mod. So let me explain this one more time: Statsareirrelevant. If you cannot understand this, then you should seriously consider quitting dota. If you want to play in a ranking system, enter a tournament with a team. These are pubs, with no safelist or anything in effect and the only thing it can be used for is determining whether a given player is "pro" (another pubbie term) or not. Except for jacking off to your wins, the stat system has no other use whatsoever. DotA is indeed a team game. If you don't contribute to the team on purpose, then you are not playing ánd ruining the game. You do not have to be afk for this. You could stand in a corner juggling branches for all I care, you are not contributing, you are not helping defend, you are not participating in team battles. And in pubs, the players you play with are random. If I stopped playing every time I had a couple of noobs in my team, I wouldnt be able to finish a single game! Seriously what is this guy doing in the mod pool? He is incapable of even remotely coherent english (and he cannot spell, "y" instead of "I" lmfao), and his rule interpretation and logic are idiotic at best. Stats as an argument? "team nub" as a valid reason to stop playing? Are you trolling or what?  Just laughable, I feel like Im teaching a twelve year old.
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« on: September 27, 2010, 01:45 »
-Unfortunetly for you arkshu / _hellion_ has different view of rules and i think many others do ,and you have to like or not.You always have option to contact other mod so they can see it as well if they have time to take care of it.
Ofcourse rules are (and must always be) open to interpretation. This admin (or mod or whatever) however has stretched interpretation to it's breaking point, by denying a ban on someone who is utterly clearly and beyond any shred of doubt guilty on both charges. It's like a referee denying a goal from a 30 meter shot, for "offside"! I myself cannot think of any redeeming argument whatsoever for this player. @Mrniceguy, thanks! Best of luck and I hope that the community will benefit from it, whatever you decide. *edit: some random quotes from the game: Sos 24:40 stupid fucking noonb team Sos 24:42 i go afk Sos 24:44 kick me Sos 24:48 !votekick sos Sos 28:28 !votekick sos NEGERTIVS 29:19 wow. NEGERTIVS 29:45 you are beyond pathetic. NEGERTIVS 30:03 he just share abused -.- Sos 33:08 it was when i saw that i have 3 retards on team
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« on: September 26, 2010, 21:00 »
Referring to http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php/topic,21724.msg67392.htmlI would like to hear the motivation behind this decision. This guy stopped playing for no other reason than "omg my team is nub", putting us in a 4v5 situation WITHOUT extra leavergold for the remainder of the game, thus ruining it for us ánd the scourge. This, ofcourse, is a textbook example to the rule " Player must not stop playing and ruining the game. " Furthermore, he selected my hero and sold all my items when I wasnt paying attention, again a textbook example of share abuse. Though I see that for some reason the rule " Player must not use units, that don’t belong to him (left players, shared control…), only if the user controling the units does not want it;" has been cleverly appended in the meantime (for reasons beyond (my) logic). I simply do not understand this decion. Did this dude happen to be the admin's "bestest buddy"? Was it "lame" of me to share my courier with the rest of the team? Please help me in understanding. Some of my friends from the PD.com scene told me that this is a "mikey mouse bot run by illiterate eastern ethernopians", but I have always enjoyed playing on this bot. Seeing more and more examples of how you set down supposedly strict rules, yet make completely arbitrary and seemingly random decisions makes me wonder if I should take this bot seriously. The rules are improperly defined (and improperly spelled), for example the rule " If number of players in the opposing team is greater than 3 players and the game mode includes -so (-switchon) you are free to leave the game without ban;": if one interprets this rule litterally, one could leave at the start of the game, since the opponent will have 5 (more than 3) players on it's team. For example: http://clanbase.ggl.com/rules.php?lid=11231 would be a properly defined set of rules. The choice of how you run this bot is, ofcourse, up to you. You could run it based on a loose behavior code or set down a set of strict rules. You have opted for the latter, but the rules are not set down right and the admins do not stick to them. I think there should be a major remake of the rules and possibly some sort of control organ, to see to it that the admins actually do their job. Right now, the banrequest system is barely functioning and people lose interest in even trying to get lamers banned. TL;DR This bot is losing it's credibility with the public.
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