damn draco is going full dota 2
You'll have to give more information on why you think the new version is bad, saying the new map just "sucks" won't get you anywhere.
If you don't understand the new map and need to learn how the new stuff work then it's not because the map "sucks", it's because you need to adapt to the new fresh patch and stop doing the same things (picking same heroes, going same item build, same strategies etc.) which you were previously doing in the last patch.
You'll have to give more information on why you think the new version is bad, saying the new map just "sucks" won't get you anywhere.
If you don't understand the new map and need to learn how the new stuff work then it's not because the map "sucks", it's because you need to adapt to the new fresh patch and stop doing the same things (picking same heroes, going same item build, same strategies etc.) which you were previously doing in the last patch.
It's not about learning new stuff. The map simply sucks because the new UI, the way it looks. The player ''interface''. Why couldn't he keep the classic interface of the game, and just implement the hero balances, new heroes and other upgrades. What bothers me the most, is the new interface which is annoyingly informative, the whole screen is filled with unnecessary information, while he moved BIG YELLOW GOLD counter bottom right for no reason. I feel like sitting behind a fighter jet, looking left and right while everything being more annoying than informative.
The map lost it's classic feeling, it's a cheap copy of dota 2. We don't want dota2 in warcraft3 ok? We want dota1, CLASSIC dota1!
love it!
"unneccessary information"
yeah, it's really annoying when you can see your enemies list, it's better play with eyes closed to not receive any excessive information, just use your ears
"gold label down the way"
hell yeah, keep playing your 13" desktop. it's such a pain in the ass to move eyes top-down all the time you try to buy a thing. Hope your eyeballs are fine there.
Only one thing annoys me, and that's the fact that you can't use anymore Q W E R hotkeys on abilities
Only one thing annoys me, and that's the fact that you can't use anymore Q W E R hotkeys on abilities
? You can modify everything ingame now. Just press f9 whilist in game and set the hotkeys however you want.
I'm not sure if config.ini file has any use now, non-hotkeys related.
You can modify everything except for abilities, in the menu abilities hotkeys are locked, you can't change anything, as for the file, the settings for abilities can't be loaded anymore on this new vers.
This discussions happen every map update.
Lose players? Ofc if we keep the map we lose players, if we return to old map we lose players, what to do??
Some people never adapt and some people always want new map what to do about it?
You can modify everything except for abilities, in the menu abilities hotkeys are locked, you can't change anything, as for the file, the settings for abilities can't be loaded anymore on this new vers.
You prolly have the Legacy button checked. I'm using qwer normally.
I don't know what you mean by the legacy button ???
@Happy..
I don't know what you mean by the legacy button ???
@Happy..
F9 ---> Control ---> Left side under the Item slots, first square 'Use legacy keys' ---> Uncheck it
Maybe you have 'Use legacy hotkeys' checked
You prolly have the Legacy button checked. I'm using qwer normally.
can someone give to fairy to be some kind helper or advisor, he is always there when you need him..
or simply give him a medal, he deserves it!
Dont like this points:there is an option in f9 for that (ps. nothing is removed from last patch as options or configuration, everything is added in new options section)
-window command doesnt work
leaderboard in weird place, why not put it higher?
tooltips dont update for aghanim why?
A few rational thoughts
- we should give the map a chance for some time and give constructive feedback if you want to change something for the better
- v7 is not even final yet, a temporary reversal back to v6 is not a problem
- like Icefrog dota was the-map back in the day, d1stats is the-map today. When Icefrog did something bad we just had to accept it and move on, now it is at least possible to contact the developer directly and give feedback, whether it is accepted or not.
- staying on v6, if decided by the community, is not a viable long term solution unless there would be some kind of an LTS program for that version. Even then, we would miss any good features coming after v7.
I think we should stay on v7 for a few weeks, collect feedback and then decide if we go back to v6 for a period of time, stay on v7 or what the next steps should be. If there is no consensus within community one side will have to give in since hosting both versions is not an option, it will diminish the available player pool and make lobbies longer.
since hosting both versions is not an option, it will diminish the available player pool and make lobbies longer.same will happen if players quit altogether because of the map. :)
A few rational thoughts
- we should give the map a chance for some time and give constructive feedback if you want to change something for the better
- v7 is not even final yet, a temporary reversal back to v6 is not a problem
- like Icefrog dota was the-map back in the day, d1stats is the-map today. When Icefrog did something bad we just had to accept it and move on, now it is at least possible to contact the developer directly and give feedback, whether it is accepted or not.
- staying on v6, if decided by the community, is not a viable long term solution unless there would be some kind of an LTS program for that version. Even then, we would miss any good features coming after v7.
I think we should stay on v7 for a few weeks, collect feedback and then decide if we go back to v6 for a period of time, stay on v7 or what the next steps should be. If there is no consensus within community one side will have to give in since hosting both versions is not an option, it will diminish the available player pool and make lobbies longer.
Just a few thoughts about this.
1) Our problem is not to move on with the map. Over the last 10 years, we always had new heroes added, new skills, new items, and minor map changes. But they all came step by step, while always staying loyal to the main concepts. They were just furbishing the game. Obviously mistakes were made, unbalances were fixed later.
We adapted and learnt the new ways. This is NOT our problem.
2) Our PROBLEM is that this map wants to make DOTA2 from DOTA1, and it's unacceptable for me, and for others also.
3)I dont like and don't want DOTA2 MAP terrain in dota1. No need to copy paste it, new runes, outposts new roshan location. No need, and no like. I don't know who asked for it ever.
4) The new user interface is a catastrophe as it is. Everything is bigger, takes too much of the screen, icons are misslocated, minimap change also dislike.
5)If you want to add new heroes have my upvote! If you want heroes rebalances GOOD. New items? FINE. Keep the rest as it was, classic UI, classic terrain (minor changes are ok if really needed).
6) The game feels like APEM. Easy and fast farm. everybody is having expensive items after 20 minutes, this reduces the importance of gangs and farming skills for individual players.
7) Make a POLL, let's see how many players would like to play v6 or v7. Or make it possible for us, classic dota1 players, to play v6 again. If we can play both maps simultaneously.
8 ) Missing any good features from v7 in the future? Or just avoiding any more bad features perhaps? It's a matter of point of view. What if the majority of players doesn't like v7 and the way where Drakolich takes Dota1? We have to go that way because nobody else works on the map?
9) Lastly, for last time: Don't morph Dota1 into Dota2. We can go and play Dota2 already. We are here to play Dota1, and if you force us to swallow this, we (Me) will simply abandon LA as it is, as it's not enjoyable anymore in this form.
Thanks!
@Sejanus op morph,is this your gameplay with that op hero?
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6311621
it looks like wasn't so op that game... actually was weak.
how then i won like 9/10 games at this new version?
Had a few games, so here's my 2 cents. The map's overall pretty fun & nicely structured, it certainly requires more brainpower, but a few games are all you need to adapt.Thats my girl :lovely:
Folks complaining about gold icon being shifted to the bottom right as a HUGE UI change is just... laughable.
You people literally need 1 game to process these "huge" changes, and maybe 2 mins to process "huge" UI changes.
Someone mentioned us being "stuck" with Drako's Dota changes, and that we have to simply obey to everything he does - yes, you do, the same way you did with IceFrog's versions. Or gather a team and start putting effort into creating your own "flawless and immaculate" Dota map and see how exhausting that actually is, maybe you'll start appreciating the work being done by Russians more.
Each and every time people complaining when the new map comes out. Embrace the changes and acclimate or host your own private 6.83 IceFrog maps and see how many people joins your lobby.
Had a few games, so here's my 2 cents. The map's overall pretty fun, nicely structured and more action-packed; it certainly requires more brainpower, but a few games are all you need to adapt.
Folks complaining about gold icon being shifted to the bottom right as a HUGE UI change is just... laughable.
You people literally need 1 game to process these "huge" changes, and maybe 2 mins to process "huge" UI changes.
Someone mentioned us being "stuck" with Drako's Dota changes, and that we have to simply obey to everything he does - yes, you do, the same way you did with IceFrog's versions. Or gather a team and start putting effort into creating your own "flawless and immaculate" Dota map and see how exhausting that actually is, maybe you'll start appreciating the work being done by Russians more.
Each and every time people complaining when the new map comes out. Embrace the changes and acclimate or host your own private 6.83 (the worst fucking Dota version ever) IceFrog maps and see how many people join your lobby.
Yes it was relatively bad because making item was talking long you had to afk farm with carry clear everything make domi clear stacks for 25 minutes. If you dont do this and enemy does you lose. I'm not talking about OP heroes which you could win 99% of the time when you picked. I'm talking about old TERRAIN which you loved. I'm not gonna talk about UI because one you managed to make a big deal out of one gold bar.Had a few games, so here's my 2 cents. The map's overall pretty fun, nicely structured and more action-packed; it certainly requires more brainpower, but a few games are all you need to adapt.
Folks complaining about gold icon being shifted to the bottom right as a HUGE UI change is just... laughable.
You people literally need 1 game to process these "huge" changes, and maybe 2 mins to process "huge" UI changes.
Someone mentioned us being "stuck" with Drako's Dota changes, and that we have to simply obey to everything he does - yes, you do, the same way you did with IceFrog's versions. Or gather a team and start putting effort into creating your own "flawless and immaculate" Dota map and see how exhausting that actually is, maybe you'll start appreciating the work being done by Russians more.
Each and every time people complaining when the new map comes out. Embrace the changes and acclimate or host your own private 6.83 (the worst fucking Dota version ever) IceFrog maps and see how many people join your lobby.
We complain all we want as long as we dislike the map.
Im a mapmaker myself of Lords of Europe so i do know a few things about mapmaking and balancing.unlike you.
But whenever I made changes to the map, i always asked the players oppinions about it and made changes accordingly.so it stays fun. I never pushed it down on somebodies throat just because i could.
My opinion stands. The UI sucks, and dota2 sucks as well. Any changes made toward that direction is killing dota1.
''For sejanus and corristo stop talking shit about the game you dont understand any patch came before this was bad when I played this one. ''
Fatality: i dont want to take this personal as you do.but i have my opinion and if you dont like it you can fuck right off where you want.
Any patch before this was bad? 10 years of Dota 1 was bad, but the first map coming out with dota2 resemblence is suddenly good now? OMG, what a pathetic statement you got there.
Fatality: i dont want to take this personal as you do.but i have my opinion and if you dont like it you can fuck right off where you want.
Any patch before this was bad? 10 years of Dota 1 was bad, but the first map coming out with dota2 resemblence is suddenly good now? OMG, what a pathetic statement you got there.
4) Everything is biggerIt isn't.
4) takes too much of the screenIt doesn't.
4)icons are misslocatedThey aren't.
4)minimap change also dislike.What minimap changes?
These are your so-called arguments as to why the current, improved UI sucks;4) Everything is biggerIt isn't.4) takes too much of the screenIt doesn't.4)icons are misslocatedThey aren't.4)minimap change also dislike.What minimap changes?
Instead of your ongoing autistic "THE UI SUCKS" screeching, how about, instead, you provide a single, valid, and somewhat rational argument as to why?
its pointless to explain you anything
regardless of others opinions.
3)I dont like and don't want DOTA2 MAP terrain in dota1. No need to copy paste it, new runes, outposts new roshan location. No need, and no like. I don't know who asked for it ever.
4) The new user interface is a catastrophe as it is. Everything is bigger, takes too much of the screen, icons are misslocated, minimap change also dislike.
"minimap change also dislike."From this i can understand that you didn't even pay attention to the fact that there are two mini-maps in the map: OLD and NEW
By Sejanus – Map is SHIT, bring back the old one.
Retarded colours... too many coins, f pointless shrines,
By Corristo –Ok, my first impression is, that this new map sucks hard. Give us an option to host 6.9 version, or just throw this rubbish into the bin. If I want to play Dota 2, I go and play Dota 2. No need to ''upgrade'' it into this. Thank you very much drakolich, for fucking up our classic dota 1 map. Sometimes LESS is MORE, and in this case, it's totally true. Lost all my interest in playingbold this trash just after one game. Super disappointed.
By Corristo – It's not about learning new stuff. The map simply sucks because the new UI, the way it looks. The player ''interface''. Why couldn't he keep the classic interface of the game, and just implement the hero balances, new heroes and other upgrades. What bothers me the most, is the new interface which is annoyingly informative, the whole screen is filled with unnecessary information, while he moved BIG YELLOW GOLD counter bottom right for no reason. I feel like sitting behind a fighter jet, looking left and right while everything being more annoying than informative.
The map lost it's classic feeling, it's a cheap copy of dota 2. We don't want dota2 in warcraft3 ok? We want dota1, CLASSIC dota1!
By Sejanus – ++ Agree 100% I hate that interface, its weird, hero colours don't even match to stats screen.
Wayy too much blue, and pink. It's ALIEN DOTA.
By Corristo – Drakolich, just roll back the interface as it was, but keep the hero and terrain changes. Like it or not, but you fucked up the interface hard. This is my opinion, and sorry if it hurts you. I know you probably won't give a shit, and just keep it this way, rather than acknowledge the players opinions and make some changes, but I HAVE to tell it anyway. Take it as a feedback, and make the changes accordingly. I will check back, when I get back my classic dota1. At this stage, the map is not enjoyable for me.
By Sejanus – It's like permanent "em" game,
some gets over farmed really quick,
alch was level 23, when our ursa was just 9, seems like less exp in the woods, more on the lane?
>> I don't think its balanced.
By Jimmy I had a mental breakdown when i saw what you did to my boy.
Implementing Balance, adding heroes/skills/items , fixing mechanics , all the things one could do.
But changing the UI completely, to what end, if someone wanted to play Valve's DotA, he will go ahead and do that. Same goes for LoL,HoS and all the other copy cats that emerged from the holes over the years.
Again, Balancing, Implementing new Spells/Items and similar, removing Buggs from previous versions, all the strong suits a map developer can strive to when given such a nice Platform as IceFrog's DotA.
Talents gave it a Flare , few transfered Heroes, allright. But other than that workload should be focused on above mentioned things.
Metaphorically , you were given a Ferarri, and over the years u managed to put a Lada engine in it, and now ,you painted it pink.
By m3thead - this map is like Corona virus, u hate it but have to go with the flow... PS Jimmy said it so well, old school map whatsoever kept w3 installed, I am afraid delete time is finally near after nearly 20 years. ( FUCK DOTA 2 ANGRY FACE).... ;
By Dark_Tauren - This map kills dota 1. I am off...
By Funnylol –I barely handle this talent version which make this game so unbalanced i dont say it was balanced before but for sure didnt make gameplay better.That shit wood map is for sure not anymore game we did know.I wont write much about this map becouse i played few times but it makes me just angry minimap is broken for sure color of heroes are wrong and i dont know shit from it,i cant bind ctrl for tp hotkey,AND THE WORSE SHIT CHANGING WOODS ADDING SHRINES AND BOUNTY RUNES.I think it made this game much easier like everyone got too much gold full items everywhere thats sad its like apem.I m not sure if i stop play this map or not but i got a feeling i will look for places where i can play olders maps even before talent version would be nice.
By Sejanus – Make a poll maybe? As half of players really hate it, previous one even with monkey was way better, and clearer.
I find this one to be extremely chaotic, there is a reason we all here stayed playing dota 1...
It looks like some millenial mental break down, with personality, and gender issues...
I played like 5 games today to test it, I just f hate it, I guess if Dota 1 goes that way I am out as well.
Ps. It supports greedy nabs, and solo stats play, the two things I hate the most.
By Noci – my favourite- The Dota 1 classic game is ruined with the new update !! Totally...
If we want to play dota2 we will play dota 2 !!
We want the Dota 1 classic game!! Give us the old Dota1 back !!
I agree with that guy who says that the new update is cheap version of dota 2.
I don't know where to look.. i feel like i play LoL.. gold is bottom, heroes top .. etc..
wtf is that with 3 fountains?!? New heroes imported from dota 2 ? whyy?
Please don't ruin what is unique !! Reconsider that desicion about the new update !
Rubick is killing mort with ease ?? Come on that makes no sense... why should i play after the new map update lookalike dota2 ? You all have to worry about quitting playing dota on lagabuse.. don't let that happen !!
Think about this... Who ever wants to play dota2 , he can play... Dota 1 is the classic version we want to play.. since the new update was released i am not playing anymore.. and i am fan of dota 1 classic.. i want to play again the old dota1..
By Dark3r – wtf is this honestly it isnt like dota 1 or dota 2 it looks like fucking dota 3 nothing is the same
By begin - When will we get back to the older one? This one sucks cocks.No proper feedback
By Corristo – long post
By CableMan - same will happen if players quit altogether because of the map.
also worthy of note, UI+map layout change+talents dropped dota2 playerbase for a while as well, and there was a ton more whinning done there until they reverted some changes (respawn talents, gpm/xpm until years later etc, ui changes).
personally, dota2's 7.00 made me not play for some months, looks like this 7.00 is a good reenactment so far.
I do agree with FataLity- and Happy.., but I come to a different conclusion. This map is bad because this server has mostly bad players, they did not manage to play decently with the same terrain over 10+ years and now you think they will adapt? That's just unrealistic. Those 10 players who will adapt and learn the new map will be only 10 players, how will you play a game with 10 players? Will you wait for a game 1-2 hours? What bad players will do in the meantime? They do not possess brainpower to collect runes and fight for a lane at the same time so any lower skill player will be a disaster in a team if you would decide to take one into your team.
Dota2 has thousands of players and top players still wait for a game more than 30min.
pfff the new map is very boring. i played just a one time and i delete this game if u dont change this last 7.00 shit map. please return last map or i think you will lose a lot of player. map can be change but not so. please dont change old map.
what a weak naga siren why you change that heros skills idk and i lost a lot of shortcut skill.
if u love this last map please give us 2 alternative and we play old map.
I don't know what you mean by the legacy button ???
@Happy..
F9 ---> Control ---> Left side under the Item slots, first square 'Use legacy keys' ---> Uncheck it
bottle: in earlier versions; i press hotkey and it uses immediately, now i have to press hotkey and to click on myself, i get confused everytime, like when you press ctrl+hotkey for bottle (for me its like all the time, i have to press on myself 3 times, its hard when you run and annoying after all).do u use some 3rd side hotkeys? holding Ctrl allows yoiu to share your bottle, thats why, but normally its auto-used if you dont hold ctrl
also double click doesnt work (i have tried), enable help also doesnt work (-dch)
bottle: in earlier versions; i press hotkey and it uses immediately, now i have to press hotkey and to click on myself, i get confused everytime, like when you press ctrl+hotkey for bottle (for me its like all the time, i have to press on myself 3 times, its hard when you run and annoying before all).do u use some 3rd side hotkeys? holding Ctrl allows yoiu to share your bottle, thats why, but normally its auto-used if you dont hold ctrl
also double click doesnt work (i have tried), enable help also doesnt work (-dch)
I dont like the map, for few reasons, there are no different colors for each side on the minimap.Thank you for feedback ! I will take into consideration and talk with Valve (with Icefrog and Gaben) in order to change those 'stupid' changes which make no sense at all.
I do not like gold placeholder possiotion at all, its overlapping with titles from items or spells .
About the characters i still have not played with many but already find out that pugna can just spam his life steal ulti which is totally rubbish .
In terms of wards which are for free, yet again i do not agree with it, its way too childish .
what a weak naga siren why you change that heros skills idk and i lost a lot of shortcut skill.
I really dont understand you people, you are remanent, you all have narrow mind.
So imagine if they return map, you will lets say next 2 years play same map, and will never change (if im right, only draco is working on map development for D1)
map has changed in better way, i hate when people go wood, now less exp in wood, also bounty every 5 minutes for all players not much difference than before, so this is better supports get more gold, obs free, more map awarness, more team fights, dota is more intriguing now.
so i think opinion of fortepsai who makes athens on necrolyte, will take effect for map change or sejanus who steal runes from midder who has bottle. This aint game for you then..
Poll will be opened over the weekend and stay open for a few days. Then we will decide what to do depending on the results (with staff having the last word, consider this a consultation poll). By that time everyone should have plenty enough time to play the map (almost two weeks) and evaluate.
To keep it simple, I propose we just have options to stay on v7 or go back to v6. That will decide what will be played for the near future until v7 is released in full. Meaning we will need to make a second more permanent decision sometime in the autumn.
I really dont understand you people, you are remanent, you all have narrow mind.
So imagine if they return map, you will lets say next 2 years play same map, and will never change (if im right, only draco is working on map development for D1)
map has changed in better way, i hate when people go wood, now less exp in wood, also bounty every 5 minutes for all players not much difference than before, so this is better supports get more gold, obs free, more map awarness, more team fights, dota is more intriguing now.
so i think opinion of fortepsai who makes athens on necrolyte, will take effect for map change or sejanus who steal runes from midder who has bottle. This aint game for you then..
And I really don't understand why all of you who support the new map, don't go and play Dota2. Better graphics, more smoother gameplay, regular and professional updates. It's super similar to the new map. You can shine there all you want, and become a paid pro player?
In the last 10 years Dota1 classic was pretty much the same, and guess what? We fucking loved it! As we played it for 10 years, we will play for another 10 without any problems. You all talk about moving forward, well, Dota moved forward with Dota2 long ago. Its you the ones who stayed behind for no reason. And now you are making classic dota1 become dota2 for no reason.
So tell me, why don't you go play Dota2 and leave us (old school players) alone to have fun here?
I just noticed the poll was closed as well. That's how much this server cares about it's players opinions.
why the fuck we even talking about 6.9 anymore, the out of date boring old bugged version should be put in recycle bin and get over with that already, tnx.
how do you keep breaking tooltips to be below gold window? I've never got this error myself
exactly why I said "Ive never seen this issue"how do you keep breaking tooltips to be below gold window? I've never got this error myself
How i should know? We all have same wc3 version and map, so maybe others have the same problem
Also f9 works weird for me: first time i used it it crashed, then i used it on local and set some settings and saved. Now f9 doesnt work online but toggles windowed mode (which is what i need) but only after a few presses. The settings window never shows up at all
exactly why I said "Ive never seen this issue"
only some ppl have it and still they cannot explain whats wrong with their WC3 or tools they're using or what happened before it went broken
F9 menu should work, but it also never had an option to toggle between windowed and fullscreen, where did you get this from?
is it directx or opengl?
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6313955Why dont you apply for a job in valve to replace icefrog. Im sure gaben will be impressed after hearing your opinions about lone druid
another example, rubick lose 2 towers mid early game to "sylla", to his BEAR actually.
and BEAR owes heroes better than hero itself.
Another RETARDED change.
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6313955Why dont you apply for a job in valve to replace icefrog. Im sure gaben will be impressed after hearing your opinions about lone druid
another example, rubick lose 2 towers mid early game to "sylla", to his BEAR actually.
and BEAR owes heroes better than hero itself.
Another RETARDED change.
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6313955(https://i.imgur.com/SHAcBsD.png)
another example, rubick lose 2 towers mid early game to "sylla", to his BEAR actually.
and BEAR owes heroes better than hero itself.
Another RETARDED change.
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6313955Why dont you apply for a job in valve to replace icefrog. Im sure gaben will be impressed after hearing your opinions about lone druid
another example, rubick lose 2 towers mid early game to "sylla", to his BEAR actually.
and BEAR owes heroes better than hero itself.
Another RETARDED change.
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6313955Why dont you apply for a job in valve to replace icefrog. Im sure gaben will be impressed after hearing your opinions about lone druid
another example, rubick lose 2 towers mid early game to "sylla", to his BEAR actually.
and BEAR owes heroes better than hero itself.
Another RETARDED change.
Bro, what we have now is dota 2 years ago, no? There were 1000000 balance changes since then, so maybe op druid was fixed later but for us still op?
okay I put my time in and watched your replay.https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6313955Why dont you apply for a job in valve to replace icefrog. Im sure gaben will be impressed after hearing your opinions about lone druid
another example, rubick lose 2 towers mid early game to "sylla", to his BEAR actually.
and BEAR owes heroes better than hero itself.
Another RETARDED change.
Bro, what we have now is dota 2 years ago, no? There were 1000000 balance changes since then, so maybe op druid was fixed later but for us still op?
He tanked five of us about min 20 🤣 and he still didn't die🤣 three stuns etc. Feel free to have a look on a reply, it's worse than first version of monkey🤣
Bro, what we have now is dota 2 years ago, no? There were 1000000 balance changes since then, so maybe op druid was fixed later but for us still op?
So as a conclusion we everybody who are PRO and CONTRA for the new map can agree that, the map is going toward being Dota 2, in a war3 skin right?
The main question is therefore, if we want to play classic dota1 or a cheap copy of dota2 map, put into action in Dota1 graphics?
If you are PRO for the new map, why don't just move and play Dota2?
If you are CON for the new map, why even argue about what is bad in the new map, since its 90% Dota2?
This whole conversation is pointless therefore.
All of you so called ''pros'' who are listing tons of pro changes, and making fun of the classic dota1 loving players here on the forum: why didn't you go play Dota2 already long ago? Why I don't see your nicks in professional Dota2 teams and tournaments? Maybe you aren't ''pros'' in the sense of the word itself, but you are feeling comfy just to tell the ''noobs'' here on the forum, while thinking yourself some kind of skillfuly and morally superior players.
No you aren't. If you would be pros, you would play DOta2 already on big tournaments.making fame and money. But you don't. Meaning you are lowskill players, same as the rest of us.
So you can stop telling us what is good and what is bad, all the while insulting us being lowskill players, who don't know shit about the map.Couse you don't know shit neighter.
This map is killing classic Dota1, and morphing into Dota2.
The question is, who asked for this, why are we forced into this, and why are players even support this instead of just fucking off to play Dota2?
Why do we have to play Dota2 on both platforms? Valve and war3?
Drakolich: Your posts on this forum section are the proof of what a childish person you are. You aren't a mapmaker, just a copy-paster guy of Dota2, who took the money from players who wanted to support classic Dota1. Imagine their frustration when they saw this new map of yours. I don't think they all donated money for 'this'.
So as a conclusion we everybody who are PRO and CONTRA for the new map can agree that, the map is going toward being Dota 2, in a war3 skin right?Hahaha not being pro doesn't mean you understand the game same level as people who are not pro. I'm telling you I was in europe leaderboard (top 200) in 2015 before quitting dota 2 however there was a huge gap of skill between me and pro players who actually earn money which is enough to survive. It doesn't mean that I'm a bad player or don't understand the game much better than you just because I don't make my living from dota2.
The main question is therefore, if we want to play classic dota1 or a cheap copy of dota2 map, put into action in Dota1 graphics?
If you are PRO for the new map, why don't just move and play Dota2?
If you are CON for the new map, why even argue about what is bad in the new map, since its 90% Dota2?
This whole conversation is pointless therefore.
All of you so called ''pros'' who are listing tons of pro changes, and making fun of the classic dota1 loving players here on the forum: why didn't you go play Dota2 already long ago? Why I don't see your nicks in professional Dota2 teams and tournaments? Maybe you aren't ''pros'' in the sense of the word itself, but you are feeling comfy just to tell the ''noobs'' here on the forum, while thinking yourself some kind of skillfuly and morally superior players.
No you aren't. If you would be pros, you would play DOta2 already on big tournaments.making fame and money. But you don't. Meaning you are lowskill players, same as the rest of us.
So you can stop telling us what is good and what is bad, all the while insulting us being lowskill players, who don't know shit about the map.Couse you don't know shit neighter.
This map is killing classic Dota1, and morphing into Dota2.
The question is, who asked for this, why are we forced into this, and why are players even support this instead of just fucking off to play Dota2?
Why do we have to play Dota2 on both platforms? Valve and war3?
Drakolich: Your posts on this forum section are the proof of what a childish person you are. You aren't a mapmaker, just a copy-paster guy of Dota2, who took the money from players who wanted to support classic Dota1. Imagine their frustration when they saw this new map of yours. I don't think they all donated money for 'this'.
So as a conclusion we everybody who are PRO and CONTRA for the new map can agree that, the map is going toward being Dota 2, in a war3 skin right?Well, for myself, personally, i feel it a bit weird to see it getting closer and closer to Dota 2 state, since we are here oldschool misters and we come to play to seek for our nostalgic feelings, but not anything professional-competitive related (for competitive gameplay, i was always sending people to play Dota2 instead)
The main question is therefore, if we want to play classic dota1 or a cheap copy of dota2 map, put into action in Dota1 graphics?
If you are PRO for the new map, why don't just move and play Dota2?
If you are CON for the new map, why even argue about what is bad in the new map, since its 90% Dota2?
This whole conversation is pointless therefore.
All of you so called ''pros'' who are listing tons of pro changes, and making fun of the classic dota1 loving players here on the forum: why didn't you go play Dota2 already long ago? Why I don't see your nicks in professional Dota2 teams and tournaments? Maybe you aren't ''pros'' in the sense of the word itself, but you are feeling comfy just to tell the ''noobs'' here on the forum, while thinking yourself some kind of skillfuly and morally superior players.
No you aren't. If you would be pros, you would play DOta2 already on big tournaments.making fame and money. But you don't. Meaning you are lowskill players, same as the rest of us.
So you can stop telling us what is good and what is bad, all the while insulting us being lowskill players, who don't know shit about the map.Couse you don't know shit neighter.
Drakolich: Your posts on this forum section are the proof of what a childish person you are. You aren't a mapmaker, just a copy-paster guy of Dota2, who took the money from players who wanted to support classic Dota1. Imagine their frustration when they saw this new map of yours. I don't think they all donated money for 'this'.Well, this thread started with absolutely invalid arguments, until some viable insights appeared (including your here)
qqbabies with "too much dota2" arguments can go play 6.81, dont ever speak about any of my maps - get back to the classic.Well said man 👌 :y: :y:
I wont agree with "this is too much changes". There were just as big patches back to 2006-8, and nobody rly bothered, just moved on.
Also neutral items arent cornerstones of balancing for d2 for many reasons, it doesn't matter for us.
qqbabies with "too much dota2" arguments can go play 6.81, dont ever speak about any of my maps - get back to the classic.
I wont agree with "this is too much changes". There were just as big patches back to 2006-8, and nobody rly bothered, just moved on.
Also neutral items arent cornerstones of balancing for d2 for many reasons, it doesn't matter for us.
I'm curious, why don't you kept Dota 1 terrain and kept adding new stuff from Dota2?
Again Drakolich, I understand your feelings when you are criticized, being a mapmaker myself, but try to take it as an adult, not as a child which is reflected in your forum answers.
attach F9 crashlogs already, all you can do, the more the better
wc3 folder / errors / .txt files
@FataLity- I think bulldog would be disappointed if ld would be mega nerfed by sejanus
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btw I think its either you cant understand (maybe cant accept) or you cant express your feelings/thoughts.
- I mean there were no 'bounty runes' in the first place, but they were updated.
- Roshan pit was changed few times even before, why you didnt start a 'riot' against icefrog then? (also, if I am not mistaken, this roshan pit was actually present in some previous version of iceforgs map)
- If you are a 'map-maker' you should know how things work, then why you keep saying unrelated things? Its not like you agree with mister Monax who is trying to help with the 'oldschool' stuff. You just dont know what is even bad in this map and you just keep telling random stuff.
Please dont say 'i am map maker thats why I know this is bad..', you never developed DotA.
I still think that you are trolling either yourself or us.
But I can't see a proper answer beside your insult, still?@FataLity- I think bulldog would be disappointed if ld would be mega nerfed by sejanus
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Mister Corristo
btw I think its either you cant understand (maybe cant accept) or you cant express your feelings/thoughts.
- I mean there were no 'bounty runes' in the first place, but they were updated.
- Roshan pit was changed few times even before, why you didnt start a 'riot' against icefrog then? (also, if I am not mistaken, this roshan pit was actually present in some previous version of iceforgs map)
- If you are a 'map-maker' you should know how things work, then why you keep saying unrelated things? Its not like you agree with mister Monax who is trying to help with the 'oldschool' stuff. You just dont know what is even bad in this map and you just keep telling random stuff.
Please dont say 'i am map maker thats why I know this is bad..', you never developed DotA.
I still think that you are trolling either yourself or us.
If you don't understand what I'm saying, then re-read my posts until you do.I don't like to repeat myself, and I won't do it now because your reading/understanding is below average.
Sorry.
Points:
- some of the bugs and imbalances mentioned tell me it is not quite the prime time for v7, we will wait for final release before putting it back as default.
- I don't have time to update map versions every week
- at the same time it would be nice to have a mechanism for testing betas before release and not have such radical changes mid-season. !privobs will allow this.
- !privobs does not allow pubbing the game but that restriction will be removed for now
- I expect v6 will have to be removed in the long term, depending on the game stats.
Great decision, now I can go back to climbing the ladder with my boy Corristo and hopefully all the greedy pro players are gone.
Give the players what they want, 6.83! LETS GO
I don't know why you guys complain so much about cens decision, as he did keep new map as well, and you can host it by using certain command.I agree with this.
If you want to play the real dota, let's go back in time and play 1.24e,I also agree with this, it would be mega cool wouldnt it? Playing with VGs and stuff. Even tho we did it in 6.90 with our friendly polak players and deer squad.
Great decision !!! I'm glad they heard the voice of the players.
Dota 1 is something what is unique and shouldn't be replaced with cheap versions of Dota 2. Admins and Map creators should separate Dota 1 and Dota 2 and consider in future to keep that way.The old classic Dota 1 is back, as most of the people wanted.
I'm very happy! Dota 1 and Dota 2 are two different stories which should be respected as they are. Mixing each other is making something which is not good for the both sides. Now we all go back to fight for our psr as we did before the new update. See you back in the game 6.90 !!! Classic Dota 1 is back ! ;D ;D :y: :y:
Have fun all! Greetings :peace:
Great decision !!! I'm glad they heard the voice of the players.
Dota 1 is something what is unique and shouldn't be replaced with cheap versions of Dota 2. Admins and Map creators should separate Dota 1 and Dota 2 and consider in future to keep that way.The old classic Dota 1 is back, as most of the people wanted.
I'm very happy! Dota 1 and Dota 2 are two different stories which should be respected as they are. Mixing each other is making something which is not good for the both sides. Now we all go back to fight for our psr as we did before the new update. See you back in the game 6.90 !!! Classic Dota 1 is back ! ;D ;D :y: :y:
Have fun all! Greetings :peace:
So talents are classic for you, extra slot for tp is classic for you, bounty runes are classic for you, new heroes are classic for you (mk, ww, earth spirit, oracle), new items like bloodthorn, glimmer, greaves etc. are classic for you???
You enjoy it because every year map is updating by something new, we will see how you will enjoy it when map doesnt update 10 years..
Draco make new terrain so by new terrain in future he can update a lot of new things (i think), by me its wise choice to do so, also new mechanics and staff way more better.
@Corristo without insult or anything against u,but ur skills are same as ur iq,at very low lvl.
Spider command center with broodmother doest work?check your Select second hero hotkey from F9
I press f2 and it isnt selected?
Spider command center with broodmother doest work?check your Select second hero hotkey from F9
I press f2 and it isnt selected?