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Strategy Discussion Section => Strategy => Topic started by: DatFace on September 03, 2011, 16:17
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Hey guys
tell me how you play alchemist .... ?
i played today with
Treads/vg/pipe/radiance/jango/bm
you?
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threads or bot vanguard radi , rest doesnt matter since game should be won already altho u can go pure dps items or tanky like hot/cuirass n shit
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Well i almost allwayz trying to make him hard carry so this looks like this:
Treads/Vanguard/Radiance/Mjolnir-Desolator/Buriza/Heart. :D
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nice build ;)
PT can be changed with phase boots cause you got high reg and bonus HP from ulty and you can run like freak within cloud and slash ;) vanguard core for tankiness or if too many spells hood and then pipe, I see you bough both but imo one of them is enough only few games you buy both ;) fast farmed radi is GG on him or if another better radi bearer Mjolnir is best option gives you even more speed, dmg in your ulty and w/o it too - its best orb for him, any other like satanic are waste, he got imba reg from ulty and if not in ulty you are care ofc ;) and deso only if many weak spellcasters that cloud and deso really hurt, else is waste too, and if still playing buriza for you or AC if team needs it ;)
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alchemist is ain't dps hero he is tanky radiance carried and he should be pumped up as much as possible hp/speed/survivability items
desolator for him is waste of gold since he has poor hiting capabilities
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Well i almost allwayz trying to make him hard carry so this looks like this:
Treads/Vanguard/Radiance/Mjolnir-Desolator/Buriza/Heart. :D
why would you do that?
if you want these kind of items you can better pick another hero..
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Vang, Dagger, Pipe, HoT, Curri.
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Pt/bot with pipe/vang or even both should be core from there depending on the game dagger + Sy (works great for chasing),Bm+Cuirass/heart tanking,Mjolnir/rady + sy/cuirass semi carry.
I wouldn suggest deso or burizza as sy trumps them both.
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alchemist is ain't dps hero he is tanky radiance carried and he should be pumped up as much as possible hp/speed/survivability items
desolator for him is waste of gold since he has poor hiting capabilities
mmmh, no.
Anyway, treads, vanguard (sometimes if I have good farm and some kills I go straight for radi), radiance, MANTA, whatever (you can even make refresher for all I care, cos noone can touch you till hard carries get to very late game which they shouldn't get to since you won't let them do that :) push push push push)
But some options of items could be: shiva, heart, curiass, satanic, pipe, mkb (for WR and mass evasion heroes), bkb, maybe even a basher if you are winning massively, battlefury. butterfly? :P
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I never saw someone carry a dagger on alchemist! ???
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best combo is alch with tiny ;D
I played it as alch and tiny always walk with me and some other guy(s) I start channel stun and he tossed me and I stun, gased and tank, rest did the rest :D fast win 8) better then blink cause you fly ;D
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best combo is alch with tiny ;D
I played it as alch and tiny always walk with me and some other guy(s) I start channel stun and he tossed me and I stun, gased and tank, rest did the rest :D fast win 8) better then blink cause you fly ;D
any hero can pwn with tiny :)
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best combo is alch with tiny ;D
I played it as alch and tiny always walk with me and some other guy(s) I start channel stun and he tossed me and I stun, gased and tank, rest did the rest :D fast win 8) better then blink cause you fly ;D
any hero can pwn with tiny :)
lets face it tiny can pwn alone with combo (except tanks) so any other hero is for insurance :D
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sorry but the fact that its 2 melee heroes in 1 lane is already epic fail
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sorry but the fact that its 2 melee heroes in 1 lane is already epic fail
I never said that we were on same lane and it was when ganking time began so roaming and ganking is normal
so its not fail...
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sorry but the fact that its 2 melee heroes in 1 lane is already epic fail
what epic fails rules .. i can tell you like 10000 combos who are combined from 2 melee heroes in a lane i will give you some to enjoy ..
1- tiny with axe
2- tiny with yornero
3- tiny with naix
amm lets forget tiny xD i will give you examples other than tiny so you dont whine about it ..
4- naix with yornero
also crix , tuskar , cent , nessaj , riki ... along with tiny ,axe ,yornero , naix can make great combines and make first blood from lvl 1 ..
now you will start ur post with (to the random pubber) but i really dont care how you think you already (epic fail)with ur post
and btw i love to make linkin with alch xD
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sure thing wanna go a game ? u and ur compadre 2lane with 2 melees vs me and my compadre vs normal 2 line
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sure thing wanna go a game ? u and ur compadre 2lane with 2 melees vs me and my compadre vs normal 2 line
for someone who think that 2 melee heroes are big fail in a line .. no tnx :D i wont even consider it
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ofc couse u would be ezd
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sure thing wanna go a game ? u and ur compadre 2lane with 2 melees vs me and my compadre vs normal 2 line
for someone who think that 2 melee heroes are big fail in a line .. no tnx :D i wont even consider it
yy 2 melee arent fail if you know what 2 melee and and what is your enemy, its like saying melee on mid solo fail and its not if you know to what hero let mid to fast exp and gold... for ex tiny is imba soloer
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np tell me time and date and we can try out il go regular 2 lane pick some babysiter and carry vs ur 2melee lane and we will see if thats not fail
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np tell me time and date and we can try out il go regular 2 lane pick some babysiter and carry vs ur 2melee lane and we will see if thats not fail
Vaikiss playing too? :D
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does it matter who is playing i just prove him that 2 melee heroes is epic fail in one lane they can't stand a chance vs couple heroes with proper lane control and harass
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Ofc, average dota people vs pros, hmmm, it doesn't matter?
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does it matter who is playing i just prove him that 2 melee heroes is epic fail in one lane they can't stand a chance vs couple heroes with proper lane control and harass
"U can't argue with someone who has "mothafukin dota expert" in hes sig hes just full of himself."
But for the heck of it Please give me a hero setup ANY in which 2 melee won't stand a chance correct me if I'm wrong but "No chance = zero".
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ok lets make it huskar + lina
or jugger + cm or lina + sven or sk + lesh and so so on im pretysure those 2 melees whole shit theirselves against those lineups
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ok lets make it huskar + lina
or jugger + cm or lina + sven or sk + lesh and so so on im pretysure those 2 melees whole shit theirselves against those lineups
I'm trying to tell you that the odds might be against you in some 2 melee line setups but saying U can't win If you have geo and tusk vs huskar and lina is just not correct.
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ok lets make it huskar + lina
or jugger + cm or lina + sven or sk + lesh and so so on im pretysure those 2 melees whole shit theirselves against those lineups
I'm trying to tell you that the odds might be against you in some 2 melee line setups but saying U can't win If you have geo and tusk vs huskar and lina is just not correct.
he clearly said that tiny+any melee hero is best for 2lane so im trying to prove him asking him to play vs me and my m8 vs him and his friend or w/e with these picks
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ok lets make it huskar + lina
or jugger + cm or lina + sven or sk + lesh and so so on im pretysure those 2 melees whole shit theirselves against those lineups
I'm trying to tell you that the odds might be against you in some 2 melee line setups but saying U can't win If you have geo and tusk vs huskar and lina is just not correct.
he clearly said that tiny+any melee hero is best for 2lane so im trying to prove him asking him to play vs me and my m8 vs him and his friend or w/e with these picks
i didnt say that tiny + any melee hero is best .. i said that tiny with any hero can pwn pretty well ... i dont say that 2 melee combo is the best .. mb 2 range or 1 melee and 1 range can do better vs 2 melee
i just said that 2 melee combo on lane isnt epic fail like you said ..
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by saing "pwn" u mean having 10 cs on 10 minute and negative score and few lvls lower than their oponents
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does it matter who is playing i just prove him that 2 melee heroes is epic fail in one lane they can't stand a chance vs couple heroes with proper lane control and harass
tizis true madafakin expert
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also on topic alchemist is solo lane heroe most likely it is played on mid (on normal skill games not -apemso pd pubs)
his job is to keep oponents off towers by using acid and to farm up radiance + enough hp to tank out enemies and keep them dpsed at all times from radiance
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What about basher on alchemist? Synergyses pretty well wiht his ult
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What about basher on alchemist? Synergyses pretty well wiht his ult
mb not bad idea but i dont prefer basher because the cd stun is is low
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Roooooooofl basher on alcje??
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Yeah lol , why bash?
Its irrelevant item for him.
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why not with 3 lvl ulti he already had alot of attack speed add power threads like sange yasha and ac and u got basicly permabash
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Here is a good build,i mostly do that according to opposite;
1.Pt
2.Fury
3.Armlet
4.Vlad
5.Deso
6.w/e u like ,im going for basher but hood or pipe sometimes
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this mf has a wide variety of items to do.... weak and unexploited spot is that money bonus which should make him a farmer in early game.... in a pro way of farming :\. strong spot hes an insane harraser/hunter cause of his ulti. a build on him? mmmh id say midas basher armlet pt and some optionals... can be bkb s&y adn so on.
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i would make this a venerable tank :)
PT
jango
vang
hood -> pipe
hot
ac
so i have money to make it all fast :)
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whats jango ?
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I woud go vanguard/hood before jango, or not even taking it...
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i dont know why i love that item but i do :)
jango -> ancient Jango of ... the item from bracer + robe of the magi + 750 recipe that give movement speed :)
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we know what jango is mate ;D ;D
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whats jango ?
really? ;D
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I know how to play good with alchem!
Thread(str) Sanga & Yasha Pipe(from always buying it) satanic, currias, Buriza
You can get dagger in chage of S&Y i get s&y its better
Acctualy radiance is bad for alchem you got enought damage in acid radiance isnt important i own with theese items with my friends in town..
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"with your friends"
Play without them and c what ll happen
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"with your friends"
Play without them and c what ll happen
pd.eu little harder but i still pwn with alchemist
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Actually, radiance is pretty awesome item for alchemyst. In higher level play, especially melee heroes struggle with actually getting some damage output, since the have to move in close range to attack and there's a lot of disabling skills involved.. Radiance allows you soak up the disables (presuming that you can live through them) while getting some damage output out..
Also, playing with friends vs public is sure NOT the way to test anything in dota..