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Title: Did you know?
Post by: Confused-o_O- on January 23, 2020, 15:50
Meepo is arguably the fastest leveling hero in Dota. The first reason is quite simple, he can farm in multiple locations with his clones. The second is that his clones takes extra experience from an area, for example, if you split 1000 experience with Meepo, each Meepo clone counts as a hero, so you get 200 and 4 Meepos gets 800.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on January 23, 2020, 15:55
This is why you are a good player !

Keep it up with rare unknown facts !
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Post by: ExpertNoob on January 23, 2020, 17:41
An observer ward costs 65 golds and is limited whereas a sentry ward costs 100 golds and is unlimited!
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Post by: Deynro on January 23, 2020, 18:48
Decreasing your max health while using a health consumable will make those more efficient
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Post by: luke on January 23, 2020, 18:51
Mirana's stun duration from arrow increases with distance it travels but damage does not.

The arrow also kills any creep with 1 shot except ancients
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on January 23, 2020, 19:11
nvm
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Post by: myprecious on January 23, 2020, 19:19
There is the way to save your mana with power threads mechanic, before you use spell switch it on int. You can pull enemy creeps to you with clicking atack on enemy hero, this also works for any visible heroes everywhere on map, so if you're mid you can atack visible hero on sides and pull them to you, also if you want creeps to stop atack you just start "atacking" your ally creeps.
Also you can disable glimpse with manny spells few of them are quite interesting, ember spirit sleight of fits or knks x mark, however not sure what happens with puck shift, also I would like to know is there possible to shift urself with puck before void use ulty or u you get automatically revived in chrono, happens to me and I think thst is bug.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: ExpertNoob on January 23, 2020, 19:24
power threads
Divine rapier drops upon death.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: myprecious on January 23, 2020, 19:28
My bad proly autocorrect since i m typing from phone.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: myprecious on January 23, 2020, 19:46
Ty for answer. Ghost scepter working as well, what is with wind third this patch, also you can active enrage (scepter) with ursa.
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Post by: KeMCek on January 23, 2020, 19:54
3x Bloodstone always better than 2x Bloodstone
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: myprecious on January 23, 2020, 20:08
I thought 4x hand of midas is better than 1,but some ppl hardly disagreeizze. http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6246383
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: KeMCek on January 23, 2020, 23:55
Ogre has two heads but if you kill him you will get only one kill
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: nikolagay on January 24, 2020, 00:06
@jeandarc is a massive faggot.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: nikolagay on January 24, 2020, 12:30
I would like to know is there possible to shift urself with puck before void use ulty or u you get automatically revived in chrono, happens to me and I think thst is bug.

Just tested this and it seems that you get revealed as soon as you are in chronosphere.

The good news is that skills like Astral imprisonment or Eul's scepter do work vs chronosphere.

Tested this one several years back so I can't gurantee it'll work in this version without testing it first, but here goes:

You should be able to use Blink Dagger right after Phase Shift and blink out of Chronosphere, but that's possible ONLY if you try and blink towards the pathing Puck faced before entering Phase Shift.

Blink Dagger should have 0 cast time therefore this should still be possible, but if you try and do it any other way you'll end up getting caught due to hero turn speed (should be around 0.5 secs if I remember correctly, too lazy to google).

Again, no guarantees on this.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: nikolagay on January 24, 2020, 16:40
Tome of Knowledge is a sharable, consumable item, meaning you can purchase it and give it to your teammate if the situation
calls for it.

This is a subtle way of telling people to stop spamming it like tards and actually consider buying it for their carries every once in a while (assuming there are actual support players left).

Also, in relation to this, go to hell AA spammers, your playstyle is as interesting as watching paint dry.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on January 24, 2020, 16:44
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This is a subtle way of telling people to stop spamming it like tards and actually consider buying it for their carries every once in a while (assuming there are actual support players left).

Hey, what about outleveled support/roamer/deer roleplayers then?

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Also, in relation to this, go to hell AA spammers, your playstyle is as interesting as watching paint dry.

Once i got blessed to play same lane with AA spammer teammate
He was incredible!
Along with his lack of english knowledge, his braveness did not exist at all !
This player literally did not leave T1 for entire game, even if our creepwave got pushed forward by billions light years, he still was standing under his tower

So i was fighting alone for entire earlygame

Well, when T1 got destroyed, he switched to T2 and so on

All what he was saying to me in my fights - 'b'

:-D

Outstanding !
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: nikolagay on January 24, 2020, 16:57
Trolling /RP-ing is something else, guess I can let that pass for the sake of deering.

Not the topic for this but oh well, LA AA meta: hug towers, gather level, rush agha, sit at least 2500 range away from your teammates and just spam Ice Blast.

Basically like a shittier, fully non-supportive version of Abathur with one cancerous damage spell. Deep down you know you're a scum and that you fully depend on your team to win, but you can brag about having positive K/D ratio and spam your team for feeding in a 5v4.5 game. New meta.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: nikolagay on January 24, 2020, 17:03
Aaaand we basically turnes a "Did you know" topic into Basic Dota guides with sarcastic spams. My bad for it.

I'll have some free time during this weekend so in order to try and compensate for this spam, I'll do some in-game testing to see if I can find any somewhat interesting interactions. Let me know if you have any specific ideas
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on January 24, 2020, 17:09
It is possible to "dodge" IO's relocate and Ezalor's teleport by timed usage of movement spell with movement animation (Waveform / Leap / etc)
You could provide full list of those

p.s. same as you are able to cancel enemy's relocation by using timed Toss / Hook on him
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on January 24, 2020, 22:13
Silencer's ultimate will silence magic immune units.
You can still dispel it with any dispel, like eul/bkb/greaves/manta/e t c, after silence applied

Some people are not aware still !
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: nikolagay on January 24, 2020, 23:43
It is possible to "dodge" IO's relocate and Ezalor's teleport by timed usage of movement spell with movement animation (Waveform / Leap / etc)
You could provide full list of those

p.s. same as you are able to cancel enemy's relocation by using timed Toss / Hook on him

Done a bit of testing.

It seems that Leap, Tree dance, Skewer, and Ball Lightning cannot evade effects of Relocate and Recall.

As for Meat Hook and Toss, you cannot fully evade or hook out friends / foes, units will still be relocated / recalled but their relocation / recall positions will differ based on the spell effect range. Basically, hooked and / or tossed units prior to recall / relocation will be moved for the X amount of range closer towards the targeted toss
 hero /area, or closer to Pudge after being hooked.

Waveform, Time Walk, Sleight of Fist, and Fire Remmenant can successfully evade Relocation and Recall effects, most likely due to the fact that units are invulnerable during cast. I'm surprised Ball Lightning isn't on this list, but oh well.

Hookshot was a bit tricky to test (cause I'm slow AF), but my results show that if you successfully hit an enemy and start pulling yourself towards it, Relocate and Recall won't affect you. However, if you don't hit the target before being Relocated / Recalled, hook itself will break itself somewhere on the map, depending on where the hero was relocated (already known and "abused" fact with Pudge's Meat Hook in the past).

Also, I have to bust my own hypothesis with Puck's Phase Shift. Chronosphere pretty much just gets Puck out of Phase Shift the moment you cast it.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: nikolagay on January 24, 2020, 23:45
Also found a texture exploit that will most likely have to be reported to Draco.

If you use a spell (e.g. Ball Lightning, Skewer, Fire Remennant) to get into the pit shown on the attached screenshot, your hero will be relocated to the default XY00 position on the map (mid lane).
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: nikolagay on January 25, 2020, 01:32
This one's a big one.

If you use Earth Spirit's Enchant Remenant (Aghanim ability) on a hero and push it in the pit on the screenshot, the hero will spawn on the XY00 position and become permanently invulnerable.

Reporting this one to Draco asap, due to obvious reasons :D

Edit: Exact bug reproduction steps here, so you don't have to bother doing it yourselves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-9HAjnXadc
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on January 25, 2020, 01:58
Good catch !
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Post by: myprecious on January 25, 2020, 08:07
Interesting.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: nikolagay on January 25, 2020, 17:23
Did you know:

Lotus Orb does not calculate / does not react to any spell bonuses / amplifications received from talents? Meaning that, if you cast a target-able spell such as Lucent Beam or Impale with increased cast range Lotus Orb will not react to it and return it at all?

Also, for some reason Lotus Orb does not react to Nessaj's Chaos Bolt, despite it being a single target spell. Nothing happens.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: dRagoLjuB on January 26, 2020, 16:23
power threads
Divine rapier drops upon death.
gg
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: -Aleksandar- on January 27, 2020, 07:42
Boots of teleport and tp scroll work separately.
If you use tp boots,scroll will not be on cooldown and opposite.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: Happy.. on January 27, 2020, 09:34
If you use tp boots,scroll will not be on cooldown and opposite.

Actually, if you use travels before scroll, scroll will have 6 or 7 sec cd, but if you use scroll before travels, travels won't have a cd.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: .SaLiH. on January 27, 2020, 11:08
Enchantress lvl15 talent (+50 Damage) also "should" work for Enchanted creeps. However draco is not aware of that. Because it doesnt even write in DotA2 Changelogs (maybe somewhere)
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: luke on January 27, 2020, 19:13
Enchantress lvl15 talent (+50 Damage) also "should" work for Enchanted creeps. However draco is not aware of that. Because it doesnt even write in DotA2 Changelogs (maybe somewhere)

Why should?
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: .SaLiH. on January 27, 2020, 20:24
Enchantress lvl15 talent (+50 Damage) also "should" work for Enchanted creeps. However draco is not aware of that. Because it doesnt even write in DotA2 Changelogs (maybe somewhere)

Why should?
cos it works in d2 just as talent skip
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: myprecious on January 29, 2020, 00:21
Sniper is the hero with highest range,but do u know who is on number 2,I can bett u will be surprised :D
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Post by: Jimmy on January 29, 2020, 01:10
Sniper is the hero with highest range,but do u know who is on number 2,I can bett u will be surprised :D
Lanaya
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on January 29, 2020, 08:26
Techies where
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: tehnika8x8 on January 29, 2020, 10:55
Techies where
Nowhere!
Never weaker. Draco hates him so much
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: Jimmy on January 29, 2020, 16:10
Why wouldnt it count, also , Divine Damage.
Update on Divine Damage ,new map..
Huskars talent tree at lvl 25 makes spears damage Divine , Talents also give ability for +10 DPS on Spears, making It without competition the Strongest DOT spell in Game.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: Akuma on January 29, 2020, 18:07
Sniper is the hero with highest range,but do u know who is on number 2,I can bett u will be surprised :D

Sniper 1215
Winter Wyvern 1140
Terror Blade 990

p.s. for me most surprising are Terror Blade and Jakiro because you would not expect that range from those heroes :)

wait what?

did you know, that guy who opened "did you know" thread thinks winter wyvern and jakiro is same hero.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: myprecious on January 29, 2020, 20:31
Sniper is the hero with highest range,but do u know who is on number 2,I can bett u will be surprised :D
Lanaya
hhahahahaha interesting point.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: myprecious on January 29, 2020, 20:35
Sniper is the hero with highest range,but do u know who is on number 2,I can bett u will be surprised :D
Lanaya
ye right,but tbh I thought tb is second one,I didnt count ww with first spell,I forgot... Anyway thats why ur here to correct me,verry interesting facts btw.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on January 31, 2020, 01:37
As a puck with Rapid Fire talent, if you manage to catch a slark with dream coil, he will get damaged even while being Shadow Danced

Very cool when you have full physical damage build, slark just receives lots of damage if he does not avoid it with ghost or whatever

p.s.: Just in case someone did not know, you can avoid Rapid Fire damage by going out of its attack range; It is lesser than Dream Coil radius, like 500 units only

Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: myprecious on January 31, 2020, 04:55
Nice catch mister deer.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on January 31, 2020, 21:45
As a pugna you do not lose any hp while using Life Drain on overcharged (for example) tethered to you ally guardian wisp; You even restore some with higher tether level;

So you both are getting healed, what a magic !
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: nikolagay on February 01, 2020, 14:03
If you use Rain of Chaos to spawn an Infernal ouside the map borders, and if Spirit Breaker uses Charge of Darkness on it, Charge will continuously ram Spirit Breaker onto the unpassable part of the map until the game crashes (in ~10 seconds).

I'm trying to find a more convenient way to exploit this one since it is highly unlikely for this scenario to ever happen, but I'm slowly running out of ideas. Will look into it a bit more if I find time to do so.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: begin on February 01, 2020, 15:02
If you use Rain of Chaos to spawn an Infernal ouside the map borders, and if Spirit Breaker uses Charge of Darkness on it, Charge will continuously ram Spirit Breaker onto the unpassable part of the map until the game crashes (in ~10 seconds).

I'm trying to find a more convenient way to exploit this one since it is highly unlikely for this scenario to ever happen, but I'm slowly running out of ideas. Will look into it a bit more if I find time to do so.
how'd u find out that xd
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: nikolagay on February 01, 2020, 15:29
Basic manual testing. I figured it would be wise to test out all texture interactions before actually getting to individual hero spells / items.

Interesting part about this one is, if you use Rubick to steal Charge and try reproducing the issue, the game will not crash. You just end up ramming the map until you either manually stop charging, or until the Infernal expires.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: nikolagay on February 02, 2020, 23:34
Dark Seers skill Ion Shell has the fastest DPS

I think Skywrath Mage's Mystic flare does faster DPS if cast on a single target.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: Jimmy on February 03, 2020, 00:42
Dark Seers skill Ion Shell has the fastest DPS

I think Skywrath Mage's Mystic flare does faster DPS if cast on a single target.
Huskar's Divine spears also tick faster [ but talented @ 25 lvl ].
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on February 03, 2020, 01:26
Dual Razor's eye of storms (with refresher) deals alot of dps still

kaya when @DracoL1ch

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Post by: DracoL1ch on February 03, 2020, 08:17
Dual Razor's eye of storms (with refresher) deals alot of dps still

kaya when @DracoL1ch
https://prnt.sc/qwp59r
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: .SaLiH. on February 03, 2020, 09:47
You can farm safely without disturbing neutral camps with Smoke of Deceit as long as you use just spells.
you cant use rot cos it wont do damage anymore. It is because DONDO
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Post by: myprecious on February 03, 2020, 19:10
Ooohhh nice kayaaa!!!
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Post by: AntlermanXXL on February 08, 2020, 23:51
Ok so i just lotus-orbed myself, against enemy witchdoctor's cast

Something went wrong, since we were there only 1v1

Casc stuns were bouncing between us both for some reason :-D
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: .SaLiH. on February 09, 2020, 11:00
Ok so i just lotus-orbed myself, against enemy witchdoctor's cast

Something went wrong, since we were there only 1v1

Casc stuns were bouncing between us both for some reason :-D
hahaha thats funny tbh.

- If you cast lotus orb (while playing with ember) and juggernout uses omnislash, you both gonna dance ! However, while dancing, if ember uses fist he will be invulnerable after dancing is stopped!
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: AGENT on February 10, 2020, 13:54
if a tower is attacking your hero, you can change its target by using attack command on your creeps.
Mind-blowing.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: nikolagay on February 10, 2020, 15:36
You can use Illusions to help you tank Roshan by issuing a "Move" command and clicking on Roshan.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on February 10, 2020, 15:38
You can use Illusions to help you tank Roshan by issuing a "Move" command and clicking on Roshan.
...but do not move there more illusions than needed

If in considerable melee attack range around roshan (ye, ye, i do not know exact radius, and i care not), will appear more than 2 hero-like units, mister Roshan will start clappin
So your illusions will dissapear quite fast and you will lose hp that you did not probably plan to lose
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: nikolagay on February 10, 2020, 15:49
...but do not move there more illusions than needed

If in considerable melee attack range around roshan (ye, ye, i do not know exact radius, and i care not), will appear more than 2 hero-like units, mister Roshan will start clappin
So your illusions will dissapear quite fast and you will lose hp that you did not probably plan to lose

Roshan will start clappin dem cheeks #NoHomo

I am doing a bit of testing just now, and I've stumbled upon something rather interesting.

It seems that Roshan does an initial Stomp once illusions surround him, but later on, despite having it ready he refuses to use Stomp until one of the illusions dies or disappears. So, if your illusion is tanky enough, this might be worthwhile.

Then again, being Stomped once every 10 seconds still feels like a solid alternative compared to face tanking his melee damage. Illusion tanking can still be useful.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: luke on February 10, 2020, 15:53
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mister Roshan will start clappin

(https://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Orson-Welles-Slow-Clap-Reaction-Gif.gif)
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: FataLity- on February 12, 2020, 17:12
25 minute battle fury on gondar who is not farming is a bad idea please stop it.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: ClaraSchuman on February 12, 2020, 19:16
0V3RD0S3 is best pudge player.
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: begin on February 15, 2020, 00:21
Mara slark not only sucks cocks but also ensures you a loss even tho u have 30/0 with meepo
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Post by: Mara on February 15, 2020, 00:29
Mara slark not only sucks cocks but also ensures you a loss even tho u have 30/0 with meepo
Main thing that i never lose with slark:DD
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=player;sid=1;nick=marask;tab=ladder-games;lpage=1;cpage=1;bpage=1
try something else how to be emberrassing now i go sleep <3 gn
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Post by: begin on February 15, 2020, 01:36
Mara +1
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Post by: 3zz3 on February 20, 2020, 23:38
0V3RD0S3 is best pudge player.
test me ;D
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Post by: begin on February 21, 2020, 12:22
Mara +1
Marask2020 +1 for good behavior
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Post by: Mara on February 22, 2020, 22:18
Mara +1
Marask2020 +1 for good behavior
😘
Title: Re: Did you know?
Post by: AntlermanXXL on March 07, 2020, 05:27
You can survive Slark's pounce by forcing him out, not trying to run yourself:
https://clips.twitch.tv/TenuousBlitheCakeDoritosChip
https://clips.twitch.tv/VainAmazonianMetalMoreCowbell