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Title: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: jeandarc on June 03, 2014, 18:20
if u play 1v1 with infinity gold and 25 lvl heroes which one should you pick in order to win?

i played several games with my friend 1v1 and i gotta say that sylla with bear rapes cuz:

2x bashers
root
attack speed inc skill
other skill which idk what it does xD
ulti
more attack speed
12 slots


your thoughts?
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: ColdWorld on June 03, 2014, 19:08
Meepo, good micro and nobody stand chance vs him :D
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Lagi on June 03, 2014, 19:49
With lvl25 and infinite gold i would pick void. With the good gear and a good initiate it kills any hero simply while his chrono active. But everything is situation related
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: 1QuestioN! on June 03, 2014, 21:27
Void for sure
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: iNevermore on June 03, 2014, 23:05
Spectre lol, its everything about timing.
If you vs me with void, if I catch your ulti using BM you stand no chance, in other state you win so its about right time of using ur rifght items/skills.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: OnModeRage on June 04, 2014, 01:17
Spectre lol, its everything about timing.
If you vs me with void, if I catch your ulti using BM you stand no chance, in other state you win so its about right time of using ur rifght items/skills.
with bm u can kill everyone if he atc u when its activated lolz but still even if we remove crono & bm void can permm stun spectre.
for me void is the best againts every hero. 5 sec crono,with mom+4 relics+buriza can easy pwn bear or meppo :D
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: ColdWorld on June 04, 2014, 04:02
I'll cut my ballz if 6sloted void rape 6 sloted spectre during crono. (with normal items, w/o those shits 5 divines etc)
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on June 04, 2014, 06:01
I'll cut my ballz if 6sloted void rape 6 sloted spectre during crono. (with normal items, w/o those shits 5 divines etc)
"normal items", what ? All items are ingame, you can use whatever you want, stop limitting your thinking you lil guide follower.

This thread is pointless, as you will never get to these "ideal" scenarios, or even if you do, while you go get your items and enjoy your lil 1v1 void vs spectre with full items, a lycan with necro3 destroys tree/throne before the conclusion of your fight, gg.

But anyway, a void with agha + refresher + mom (because of refresh x2 mom too) + divine + bkb/satanic/divine (bkb/satanic for blademail/spectre dispersion etc./divine if no such thing) + mkb/divine (mkb for butterfly users/mortred evasion/wr windrun etc./divine if no such thing), beats anyone in the game in a 1v1 if he catches him/her/it in the chronos properly and if he can attack them while they're in the chronos.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: ColdWorld on June 04, 2014, 11:48
pls someone ban this piece of shit.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Rocka on June 04, 2014, 13:06
I agree on the void, fuck your lil spec with bm against a satanic/bkb void
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: uCANseeMe on June 04, 2014, 13:21
void is best hero for 1v1 refresher+ agha+butterfly+monkey+bkb +divine no one can kill him.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: jeandarc on June 04, 2014, 14:09
can anyone come wc3 asap and lets test sylla vs void and u will see that sylla wins

i'll make a video out of it and post it here
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: OnModeRage on June 04, 2014, 15:30
can anyone come wc3 asap and lets test sylla vs void and u will see that sylla wins

i'll make a video out of it and post it here
i can,what acc are u using? forfun? :D im gonna pwn your ass
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on June 04, 2014, 15:37
mkb/divine (mkb for butterfly users/mortred evasion/wr windrun etc./divine if no such thing)

I think void cannot miss in chronosphere.

Anyway, I think syllabear can withstand chrono with proper items, since his armor/hp is epic, and after chrono void is gg-ed.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on June 04, 2014, 17:18
mkb/divine (mkb for butterfly users/mortred evasion/wr windrun etc./divine if no such thing)

I think void cannot miss in chronosphere.

Anyway, I think syllabear can withstand chrono with proper items, since his armor/hp is epic, and after chrono void is gg-ed.
If void can't miss in chrono as you say (I think I vaguely remember that, never really gave a shit about it one way or the other) and void has agha refresher mom (x2 mom because of refresher) + 3 divines, no one can survive 2 chronos, not even dk with his big passive armor and 6 hearts, they all die.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: AcidSnow on June 04, 2014, 17:25
i would pick sky and make a scepter and spam with the ulty untill u piss in your pants :D and eul hex > void
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on June 04, 2014, 18:24
i would pick sky and make a scepter and spam with the ulty untill u piss in your pants :D and eul hex > void
Like I said before, remove a divine slot from void and get a bkb (then your ulti is irrelevant), and as void you can fake the chrono, because it has a cast time, to make the enemy use his eul preemptively because if he doesn't it would be too late, then simply chrono him afterward.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on June 04, 2014, 18:24
i would pick sky and make a scepter and spam with the ulty untill u piss in your pants :D and eul hex > void
Like I said before, remove a divine slot from void and get a bkb (then your ulti is irrelevant), and as void you can fake the chrono, because it has a cast time, to make the enemy use his eul preemptively because if he doesn't it would be too late, then simply chrono him afterward.

Or just get diffusal and diff that eul like np xD
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on June 04, 2014, 18:40
We'll find out soon though.

I'll go 1v1 with CoMMoN (sylla vs void). I bet on sylla.

Feel free to post your thoughts about the winning hero.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: OnModeRage on June 04, 2014, 18:45
50$ for sylla and his bear to win  ;D
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on June 04, 2014, 18:48
No chance for lil bear, you'll see, brb a couple of mins and I'll come.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: ColdWorld on June 04, 2014, 19:05
void win.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Lagi on June 04, 2014, 19:26
Spectre lol, its everything about timing.
If you vs me with void, if I catch your ulti using BM you stand no chance, in other state you win so its about right time of using ur rifght items/skills.

As i said everything is situational. Spectre activates BM, void activates bkb, and the well timed blademail is useless
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Fr0zen_Walk^ on June 04, 2014, 19:29
Wow zed Wow that dog Wow very zed FTW.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: .SaLiH. on June 04, 2014, 20:05
dota is team game, so meepo owns
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: maciekg9-slaveofBart on June 04, 2014, 20:13
Dont forget about tinker guys
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on June 04, 2014, 21:42
Sylla VS Void

Our conclusions after few hours of 1v1 lol



1) Void stronger if he ults both bear+sylla

2)Sylla stronger if he keeps the bear out of chrono, and uses his bear to disable void by adding mana to bear by using bloodstone, and ethereal/euls/hex etc, situational items that can be used both on sylla and on void.

3) if played perfectly, sylla is stronger. However, if played by human regular 'pro' skill, void usually stronger cause way easier to land ulti on both sylla and bear, than to micro bear and keep it away so it disables void in chrono.

4) without bear and chrono with same items -- sylla has a bit advantage cause of attack speed armor and hp, but it's luck based mostly.


That's all.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Nistor on June 04, 2014, 22:09
best hero 1v1 mid is that hero played by me

ez game ez life
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on June 04, 2014, 22:43
Sylla VS Void

Our conclusions after few hours of 1v1 lol



1) Void stronger if he ults both bear+sylla

2)Sylla stronger if he keeps the bear out of chrono, and uses his bear to disable void by adding mana to bear by using bloodstone, and ethereal/euls/hex etc, situational items that can be used both on sylla and on void.

3) if played perfectly, sylla is stronger. However, if played by human regular 'pro' skill, void usually stronger cause way easier to land ulti on both sylla and bear, than to micro bear and keep it away so it disables void in chrono.

4) without bear and chrono with same items -- sylla has a bit advantage cause of attack speed armor and hp, but it's luck based mostly.


That's all.
In more detail, for those interested:

1) True. No reason to elaborate on something so obvious.

2) and 3) are kind of the same thing, if the theoretical absolutely perfect play is reached, sylla is without a doubt stronger if a fight occurs, however no one on this planet will ever reach a high enough level to pull that off vs a void who knows what he is doing, and which bothers to wait it out as much as he needs to, which we didn't do in our games because you were impatient as fuck and restricted many things like "don't run at all, don't go for bear" etc., things like that make you get out of your comfort zone and good luck doing those movements perfectly with both sylla and bear for 5-10-15-... minutes, you just get tired eventually after permanent movements like that like you said yourself and you screw up only a little bit then BANG, 12 sec chrono and dead, and again, this is only considering a 12 slots sylla vs 6 slots void, which is ridicolous to assume will happen. (and no, to those wondering, you can't just stand still with both bear and hero and with bear tucked away safely ready to disable, because void can just go for the bear and it makes the sylla hero position even harder to get right, he can't let the bear die because he is as good as dead after that since if he resummons it both bear and hero are ridicolously close to each other and even a 2 year old can get the chronos right, and if he tries to come too close with hero to help the bear he is still dead because of both possible to be caught in chronos, and if he tries to disable with bear before chrono that is basically his only shot, but if void jumps correctly on the bear sylla doesn't have time to kill void in that time unless he is lucky and hits void alot while he is disabled regardless of void backtrack, if not then void uses chronos and kills him, so if void gets the correct jump on the bear or sylla hero, it's over always unless extreme unreasonable luck from sylla, so you have to permanently move both hero and bear to make sure void will always be awkward to go for you or you die always (not counting the luck scenario))

So, realistically, void > sylla, because there's simply too many things to take into consideration as sylla and you have to permanently move both bear and sylla perfectly + always be ready to use the items properly.

Perfect play theory, sylla > void, but only if 12 slots vs 6 slots and perfect play, which is a ridicolous assumption to begin with, or only if extremely lucky sylla which is an irrelevant case since you can't depend on that. But I'd like to say in a perfect play scenario, void wouldn't fight sylla, since it's pointless if sylla has perfect movements void won't kill him and going in would be a mistake which would make him die, which if he plays perfectly he won't make. So if perfect play from both sides, it's a draw/creeps win. ;D

The 4) is also theoretically true, but we both saw luck plays a much bigger role than theory there.
And 4) was also an extremely retarded thing to do, since it's ridicolous enough to assume that void and sylla will both get full 6 slots and full 12 slots in a game, it's even more ridicolously retarded to assume that those same void 6 slots and sylla 12 slots also refuse to use void ulti and sylla bear, or even 6 slots both and refuse to use ulti/bear. ;D
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: jeandarc on June 04, 2014, 22:52
i told ya nobs, sylla > all in 1v1 full items
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on June 04, 2014, 22:53
^Agree with u common

Will just quote one part

Perfect play theory, sylla > void, but only if 12 slots vs 6 slots and perfect play

If I apply 0.000000003% of my skill I can achieve that like np  ;D

Seriously now, that gaming was mega retarded  :D
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on June 04, 2014, 23:06
^Agree with u common

Will just quote one part

Perfect play theory, sylla > void, but only if 12 slots vs 6 slots and perfect play

If I apply 0.000000003% of my skill I can achieve that like np  ;D

Seriously now, that gaming was mega retarded  :D
Well ofc if I bothered to use around 0.0000000000000000000000001% of my abilities, it would be easy. ;D

It kind of was retarded, mostly because we didn't play it properly and unreasonable game situation, and the most interesting scenario would've been the permanent shuffle for position, and we didn't do it cause you were lazy. (faken nab :D)
Also the 4) was well beyond retarded, in every single aspect. ;D From getting the same items (which was obviously stupid since sylla has more attackspeed armor and hp) to just actually sitting there and looking at lucky bash/crits.

But it was funny at some parts, and we saw some ridicolous bugs too, like if you buy linken on void, then drop it, you still keep the linken passive, PERMANENTLY (it was refreshing itself too XD even though item long gone) even if you don't have the item anymore. (not sure if I had to die once first for it to apply or if it had to be dropped somewhere in vicinity or whatever, still ridicolous)
Also randomly having only 200 range of vision with void even in day time at some points, for some 0 logic reason.
Also my courier while carrying void agha got voids hammer from agha effect on it. That was sweet ;D
All these might have something to do with -refresh or -respawn commands though, since I doubt they wouldn't be discovered untill now.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: ColdWorld on June 04, 2014, 23:34
i told ya nobs, sylla > all in 1v1 full items
come on dota 2, your sylla vs my meepo. Lets see whos stronger :D
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on June 04, 2014, 23:37
i told ya nobs, sylla > all in 1v1 full items
come on dota 2, your sylla vs my meepo. Lets see whos stronger :D
Keep hiding in ur lil dota 2, your meepo would go 0-50 vs my cm.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: ColdWorld on June 04, 2014, 23:40
i told ya nobs, sylla > all in 1v1 full items
come on dota 2, your sylla vs my meepo. Lets see whos stronger :D
Keep hiding in ur lil dota 2, your meepo would go 0-50 vs my cm.
My weakness are blondie girls, so dunno xd
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: jeandarc on June 05, 2014, 13:49
Y now lets go play LoL vs my karthus
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: SF-ULTY on June 05, 2014, 15:05
Syllabear need to much farm.. to be STRONG,but meepo perfect in start of the game 1 dagger +travel+scepter he is gg wp if another team have 3 paper heroes
GG............  8)
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: jeandarc on June 05, 2014, 15:49
u dont get it, do you? read the motherfuckign first post about the modes and shits
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: ColdWorld on June 05, 2014, 16:34
Syllabear need to much farm.. to be STRONG,but meepo perfect in start of the game 1 dagger +travel+scepter he is gg wp if another team have 3 paper heroes
GG............  8)
true but he said with full items, there is not story about farm. Meepo is probably best farmer in game.

game vs 3 counters (es, lich and strongest ember)
(https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10401932_517072375088506_157239819356207386_n.jpg)

Long live rat doto in pubs xd
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: jeandarc on June 05, 2014, 16:48
gtfo with your d2 already
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: ohmygawd on June 05, 2014, 17:34
If it was  a1v1 dota game, with infinite gold, max lvl and you can do anything that game includes, i would bloody win any one of you for bloody sure :) with any hero haha.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Asandir on June 05, 2014, 18:01
If it was  a1v1 dota game, with infinite gold, max lvl and you can do anything that game includes, i would bloody win any one of you for bloody sure :) with any hero haha.

Goblin Techies gogo!
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: .SaLiH. on June 05, 2014, 19:04
well, in my oppinion , every hero is good but you have to just think logically, I mean just with tactics you can win. bear can rape void or void can rape bear it depends to players gameplay, items, timing etc...
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: ohmygawd on June 05, 2014, 19:12
well, in my oppinion , every hero is good but you have to just think logically, I mean just with tactics you can win. bear can rape void or void can rape bear it depends to players gameplay, items, timing etc...
i pwn sylla n void with tech.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Nexxus on June 05, 2014, 19:17
Invoker if you know how to use
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: cacomonster on June 05, 2014, 19:38
i would get 6 birds with Bloodstones and Dagon level 5.. and insta kill almost anyone .. If that doesnt work .. i would get 20 birds .. etc .. no one can survive .. unless bkb 1000% of the time .. or ur playing husker which is so so so so so so easy to counter.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: .SaLiH. on June 05, 2014, 19:40
well, in my oppinion , every hero is good but you have to just think logically, I mean just with tactics you can win. bear can rape void or void can rape bear it depends to players gameplay, items, timing etc...
i pwn sylla n void with tech.

they'll get bkb and gem. you won't pwn than I think
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: ohmygawd on June 05, 2014, 20:23
well, in my oppinion , every hero is good but you have to just think logically, I mean just with tactics you can win. bear can rape void or void can rape bear it depends to players gameplay, items, timing etc...
i pwn sylla n void with tech.

they'll get bkb and gem. you won't pwn than I think
haha, your view spectrum is too mainstream, try adding more aspects to dota n be more spectral. i belive someone of you finds out how can tech pwn any 1v1 hero :)
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: jeandarc on June 05, 2014, 21:50
I said 1v1 heroes not 20 birds vs a hero, stupid fuck
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on June 05, 2014, 22:03
You wouldn't pwn my techies even with 12 slots sylla begin, even if I use below 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of my abilities. How does that make you feel ?

No need to cry. Keep practicing.
Syllabear need to much farm.. to be STRONG,but meepo perfect in start of the game 1 dagger +travel+scepter he is gg wp if another team have 3 paper heroes
GG............  8)
I don't even think you are kidding judging by what I saw from your pathetic level of play. It would be hilarious if you were serious.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: ColdWorld on June 06, 2014, 02:32
20 birds? wtf u so stewpid.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: jeandarc on June 06, 2014, 09:07
Read what cockmonster huy said, prick.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: cacomonster on June 06, 2014, 09:34
Lol .. it's true .. Birds can move in chrono .. so void cant do shit .. U dont need to use a hero if u have infinity gold .. Unless someone like Husker is picked .. and u can fuck him up with almost any hero ..
Want to Win 1v1 with infinity Gold .. Dont USE a HERO ..
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: jeandarc on June 06, 2014, 12:36
I said 1v1 hero, not couriers against motherfucking hero, get it?
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: ColdWorld on June 06, 2014, 14:28
Lol .. it's true .. Birds can move in chrono .. so void cant do shit .. U dont need to use a hero if u have infinity gold .. Unless someone like Husker is picked .. and u can fuck him up with almost any hero ..
Want to Win 1v1 with infinity Gold .. Dont USE a HERO ..
u so stewpid.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Blackeye on July 19, 2014, 20:01
tinker :hex dagger ethernal dagon 5 lets say shiva and some other item depends of situation.
Just hex ethernal dagon repat anyone is dead it's like 1,5k pure per roam even bear would die
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Lagi on July 19, 2014, 20:38
it depends on who initiate first. if enemy can activate his bkb, tinker dead.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Jimmy on July 19, 2014, 20:39
Ever Heard of BM? 
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Lagi on July 19, 2014, 20:51
Ever Heard of BM?
bkb still > than bm xD

All the spell based heroes suck in infinite gold 1v1 fight. Only physical dmg heroes can win here
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Jimmy on July 19, 2014, 22:06
Ever Heard of BM?
bkb still > than bm xD

All the spell based heroes suck in infinite gold 1v1 fight. Only physical dmg heroes can win here
BKB > BM y
Then Best Mid hero is Sylla
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Lagi on July 19, 2014, 22:16
Ever Heard of BM?
bkb still > than bm xD

All the spell based heroes suck in infinite gold 1v1 fight. Only physical dmg heroes can win here
BKB > BM y
Then Best Mid hero is Sylla
With infinite gold 1v1 sylla could be pretty strong yep but i think with good initiate void still the best.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Jimmy on July 19, 2014, 22:44
Hmm, only way Void would pwn dat bear ass
Scepter
Refresher
Buriza
Divine
Divine
Divine
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Blackeye on July 20, 2014, 01:26
tinker ethernal himself dagger out even with bkb he can avoid it , still whenever see void popin up bkb you can  blink out ;D
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Lagi on July 20, 2014, 05:31
Theres always an option. Diffu can remove etheral for example :)
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on July 20, 2014, 06:46
tinker ethernal himself dagger out even with bkb he can avoid it , still whenever see void popin up bkb you can  blink out ;D
What if void has a dagon 5 and comes from fog to cancel your little blink then goes in with bkb so you can't hex him and ulties you and has a diffusal to cancel your ghost/eul and also has refresher to use dagon 5 on you again and ulti and also has mom rapier to rape you in the ulties ? Why do you assume only tinker is ok and has fast reactions etc and that the void is a braindead noob who walks in casually after using bkb to let you blink out ?

Learn dota. Late belongs to autoattackers, just because you play them horribly it doesn't change the facts. You can have apm 9001 on your little tinker, it won't matter.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: ilikedat on July 20, 2014, 09:06
Shreder the best,max 3rd and gg
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Blackeye on July 20, 2014, 12:57
what if you can get linken or bkb ( or both) so you won't get interrupted from any spell ,that's first , second void has to pop bkb immediately before jumping in otherwise he would instantly hexed ,and whenever you see him you can blink and wait that 10 sec until his bkb disappear .And if you start adding to him items like diff ,bkb ,linken he lose his effectiveness so he has even lower chance to get killed in chrono.
Mostly luck factor (backtrack) would change the flow of that game

And to prevent your item build I would choose items like hex ,shiva(eternal) ,bkb dagon linken dagger . after your linken get interrupted you can pop bkb as well blink out ,roam and you should have the bkb/linken again. In case when void turns refresher Tinker actually can survive that one ulti and after that he is dead.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on July 20, 2014, 13:16
what if you can get linken or bkb ( or both) so you won't get interrupted from any spell ,that's first , second void has to pop bkb immediately before jumping in otherwise he would instantly hexed ,and whenever you see him you can blink and wait that 10 sec until his bkb disappear .And if you start adding to him items like diff ,bkb ,linken he lose his effectiveness so he has even lower chance to get killed in chrono.
Mostly luck factor (backtrack) would change the flow of that game

And to prevent your item build I would choose items like hex ,shiva(eternal) ,bkb dagon linken dagger . after your linken get interrupted you can pop bkb as well blink out ,roam and you should have the bkb/linken again. In case when void turns refresher Tinker actually can survive that one ulti and after that he is dead.
If you get linken on tinker void just ditches the dagon 5, and simply goes and kills you, yes, he bkbs instantly, he goes in with bkb, you blink out, guess what happens, void goes after you and you dont have time to rearm + blink out again, he will ulti you twice and rape you. Void can simply not even level backtrack, because there is no need, tinker will get raped before he can use any spell. Learn dota.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on July 20, 2014, 13:19
what if you can get linken or bkb ( or both) so you won't get interrupted from any spell ,that's first , second void has to pop bkb immediately before jumping in otherwise he would instantly hexed ,and whenever you see him you can blink and wait that 10 sec until his bkb disappear .And if you start adding to him items like diff ,bkb ,linken he lose his effectiveness so he has even lower chance to get killed in chrono.
Mostly luck factor (backtrack) would change the flow of that game

And to prevent your item build I would choose items like hex ,shiva(eternal) ,bkb dagon linken dagger . after your linken get interrupted you can pop bkb as well blink out ,roam and you should have the bkb/linken again. In case when void turns refresher Tinker actually can survive that one ulti and after that he is dead.
If you get linken on tinker void just ditches the dagon 5, and simply goes and kills you, yes, he bkbs instantly, he goes in with bkb, you blink out, guess what happens, void goes after you and you dont have time to rearm + blink out again, he will ulti you twice and rape you. Void can simply not even level backtrack, because there is no need, tinker will get raped before he can use any spell. Learn dota.
Just for the fun of it, because void doesn't even need all 6 items to rape tinker, void can actually go a dagger too instead of the dagon 5, then you will 100% not have time to blink out again with tinker, and you just get chronoed twice and die. No chance for you.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: .SaLiH. on July 21, 2014, 10:40
there is no best 1v1 hero.. it all depends on gameplay.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Jimmy on July 21, 2014, 11:25
Maybe the best reply
+1 SaliH.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: djota on August 23, 2014, 14:09
tinker can use abyysal blade and refresh it. he can stun even trough bkb. if he keeps using etheral blade he is immune to physical dmg and bkb keeps him safe from spells.

This is just theory, but if its correct, i think tinker beats both syla and void, even with chrono/12 slots
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on August 23, 2014, 16:51
tinker can use abyysal blade and refresh it. he can stun even trough bkb. if he keeps using etheral blade he is immune to physical dmg and bkb keeps him safe from spells.

This is just theory, but if its correct, i think tinker beats both syla and void, even with chrono/12 slots
Ever heard of linken ?
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Rocka on August 23, 2014, 16:54
tinker wannabe's think they can rape full void nice joke
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on August 23, 2014, 16:55
tinker wannabe's think they can rape full void nice joke
They are cute wannabe's, so hopeful.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: jeandarc on August 23, 2014, 17:30
I think sf is good mid player
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on August 23, 2014, 18:27
I think sf is good mid player
Nice avatar and sig jean, I always knew.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Lagi on August 23, 2014, 21:04
tinker can use abyysal blade and refresh it. he can stun even trough bkb. if he keeps using etheral blade he is immune to physical dmg and bkb keeps him safe from spells.

This is just theory, but if its correct, i think tinker beats both syla and void, even with chrono/12 slots
Well, good luck using any of those under chrono :) Anyways abyssal has 140 range, basically if void is in 140 range away from your hero, you are dead. :P You make etheral on yourself, you get chrono void use diffu to remove your ghost form then you are dead.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: [Yuma]Psihijatar on August 31, 2014, 22:51
tinker can use abyysal blade and refresh it. he can stun even trough bkb. if he keeps using etheral blade he is immune to physical dmg and bkb keeps him safe from spells.

This is just theory, but if its correct, i think tinker beats both syla and void, even with chrono/12 slots
Well, good luck using any of those under chrono :) Anyways abyssal has 140 range, basically if void is in 140 range away from your hero, you are dead. :P You make etheral on yourself, you get chrono void use diffu to remove your ghost form then you are dead.
so you make dagger and gg wp no re, you can always escape from his ulty :)
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on September 01, 2014, 12:07
tinker can use abyysal blade and refresh it. he can stun even trough bkb. if he keeps using etheral blade he is immune to physical dmg and bkb keeps him safe from spells.

This is just theory, but if its correct, i think tinker beats both syla and void, even with chrono/12 slots
Well, good luck using any of those under chrono :) Anyways abyssal has 140 range, basically if void is in 140 range away from your hero, you are dead. :P You make etheral on yourself, you get chrono void use diffu to remove your ghost form then you are dead.
so you make dagger and gg wp no re, you can always escape from his ulty :)
And if void has a dagger too ? Poor tinker. :'(
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: [Yuma]Psihijatar on September 01, 2014, 22:15
tinker can use abyysal blade and refresh it. he can stun even trough bkb. if he keeps using etheral blade he is immune to physical dmg and bkb keeps him safe from spells.

This is just theory, but if its correct, i think tinker beats both syla and void, even with chrono/12 slots
Well, good luck using any of those under chrono :) Anyways abyssal has 140 range, basically if void is in 140 range away from your hero, you are dead. :P You make etheral on yourself, you get chrono void use diffu to remove your ghost form then you are dead.
so you make dagger and gg wp no re, you can always escape from his ulty :)
And if void has a dagger too ? Poor tinker. :'(
it all depends on how fast you are , for example if he just that jump and you blink then obviously he will use blink meantime you can use laser on him or hex = gg wp no re ty bye :) ??
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: cacomonster on September 01, 2014, 22:57
if it's a 1v1 game .. not starting level 25 and fully equipped with items .. void is screwed.
however if it's a fullset and level 25 hero .. tinker has no chance if void initiates right.. else tinker can keep him in a perma hex .. and then gg.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: beastiary on September 02, 2014, 07:16
from topic name i understand- die bestest hero for 1v1 shom- its BARA bcos much fun
OT: every third hero can pwn void and every third hero can pwn every third hero that can pwn void, it all depends on players, if u set conditions (like void gets off chrono, can attack etc.), it already doesnt depend on playas so you can just put 2 heros to attack themselves and praise for crit
conclusion: it dependes on players (probably thats why 1V1 tournies are played with same heroes, so players can show 0,00000000000000001 % of their skill)

why no 1v1 BARA tournie?

Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on September 02, 2014, 10:58
tinker can use abyysal blade and refresh it. he can stun even trough bkb. if he keeps using etheral blade he is immune to physical dmg and bkb keeps him safe from spells.

This is just theory, but if its correct, i think tinker beats both syla and void, even with chrono/12 slots
Well, good luck using any of those under chrono :) Anyways abyssal has 140 range, basically if void is in 140 range away from your hero, you are dead. :P You make etheral on yourself, you get chrono void use diffu to remove your ghost form then you are dead.
so you make dagger and gg wp no re, you can always escape from his ulty :)
And if void has a dagger too ? Poor tinker. :'(
it all depends on how fast you are , for example if he just that jump and you blink then obviously he will use blink meantime you can use laser on him or hex = gg wp no re ty bye :) ??
No, you can't use laser on him or hex, because he already used a bkb before jumping in. Poor tinker. :'(
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: courierpower on September 11, 2014, 22:26
imo best 1v1 hero is enigma, with scepter, refresher, heart heart heart heart (maybe veil instead of one heart)
you just put the pulse and start the black hole, goes thru everything, and deals dmg as hell, even a level 1000 cent in -ul mode of lod cant stand since that thing damages for max hp
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Jimmy on September 11, 2014, 23:38
Doesnt it deal damage of the opposite hero Hitpoint , not your own?
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: cacomonster on September 12, 2014, 03:16
Think it's the enemy hero .. it might be different in the LOD version.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on September 12, 2014, 06:40
imo best 1v1 hero is enigma, with scepter, refresher, heart heart heart heart (maybe veil instead of one heart)
you just put the pulse and start the black hole, goes thru everything, and deals dmg as hell, even a level 1000 cent in -ul mode of lod cant stand since that thing damages for max hp
I hope you're kidding, how exactly do you plan to catch a void with it if you don't even have boots let alone dagger ? If void catches even sylla in bear form with 6 hearts or alche with 6 hearts or dk with 6 hearts in his chronos, he still kills them, so your hearts are cute but irrelevant.

Void items vs your lil enigma, dagger (just for fun, to catch you 100% before you do anything, because void doesn't even need serious 6 slot build to rape enigma) refresher mom divine divine divine, agha not even needed vs enigma, and you die without doing a single point of damage.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: ColdWorld on September 12, 2014, 10:46
Enigma? wtf  :'(
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: KeMCek on September 12, 2014, 11:10
techies
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: courierpower on September 12, 2014, 14:17
%14 of target max hp per sec, and 8 seconds of duration, no one can survive that, and about the catching thing, if you get blink dagger you can also get a hex and secure kill with your eyes closed since that shift button is pretty useful
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Jimmy on September 12, 2014, 14:40
Yes , but the targets hp, u said u would buy couple of HoT's..

Why would you buy Hot ,if it depends on the enemys hitpoint?
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on September 12, 2014, 14:44
%14 of target max hp per sec, and 8 seconds of duration, no one can survive that, and about the catching thing, if you get blink dagger you can also get a hex and secure kill with your eyes closed since that shift button is pretty useful
Ever heard of this item called BKB ?
 
Yeah, go ahead and black hole me with your lil dagger, BKB doesn't prevent your lil blackhole, but it does prevent your lil midnight pulse, and then you die. :)
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: courierpower on September 12, 2014, 22:46
%14 of target max hp per sec, and 8 seconds of duration, no one can survive that, and about the catching thing, if you get blink dagger you can also get a hex and secure kill with your eyes closed since that shift button is pretty useful
Ever heard of this item called BKB ?
 
Yeah, go ahead and black hole me with your lil dagger, BKB doesn't prevent your lil blackhole, but it does prevent your lil midnight pulse, and then you die. :)
Didnt expect that ignorance from you, the damage type is universal, it goes thru bkb
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on September 12, 2014, 23:21
%14 of target max hp per sec, and 8 seconds of duration, no one can survive that, and about the catching thing, if you get blink dagger you can also get a hex and secure kill with your eyes closed since that shift button is pretty useful
Ever heard of this item called BKB ?
 
Yeah, go ahead and black hole me with your lil dagger, BKB doesn't prevent your lil blackhole, but it does prevent your lil midnight pulse, and then you die. :)
Didnt expect that ignorance from you, the damage type is universal, it goes thru bkb
You call it ignorance, I call it being smart. Incase you didn't know, one of the perks of being smart is the fact that you remember mostly just the relevant pieces of information, and mostly ignore the irrelevant pieces of information.

So here is what is relevant: the aoe effect after the chrono is casted is LARGER than the aoe of blackhole, and the cast range of chrono is larger than the cast range of black hole. That means void can cast it while being further away from enigma, enigma has to be closer to void to cast it, from this simple fact, there already is an immense advantage for void, coupled with the fact that void also has TIME WALK aside from a blink dagger (incase you try to run away with enigma), it's already enough to make you have absolutely no chance of surviving.

I don't have time to read up on some retarded game's mechanics, that doesn't stop me from being the best player here and raping every single one of you permanently on this server while not even playing even close to my full abilities.

I don't give a single fuck about your universal or non-universal damage, like I said, no matter what you do or what type of damage you have, I have the answer to every one of your "possibilities" (you have no possibilities), I have to correct response for every one of your "options" (you have no options), you are left choiceless, helpless, defenseless, hopeless, waiting for your unavoidable death to come.


I knew the damage type is universal, but I didn't even look at it from the perspective that it goes through bkb. You wanna know why ? Because it is completely irrelevant. You won't get to use it anyway.
You get the bkb on void to prevent the retarded ministun which would guarantee enigma's kill with a blink-dagger to void +instant shift ministun+fast/shifted midnightpulse+fast/shifted blackhole. With a bkb on void, that is out the window, because you won't mini stun, so void has time to blink out before you black hole, and then just kill you.

Because you can simply be aware as void of the blink dagger maximum range, and take it into account permanently, you can also be aware of the black hole cast range and black hole aoe effect, and when the time is right you can time walk outside it, since chrono has larger cast range and larger aoe effect, it's that simple, if enigma blinks out to avoid getting chronoed once you time walk there outside his range, you can just be ready to blink out also, again, outside black hole cast range and aoe effect while still being able to chrono enigma easily because it has larger cast range and aoe effect than black hole, and then enigma is dead 100%.


Edit: Added mega colours for such effects.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: ColdWorld on September 13, 2014, 00:47
such effects
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: courierpower on September 13, 2014, 09:26
%14 of target max hp per sec, and 8 seconds of duration, no one can survive that, and about the catching thing, if you get blink dagger you can also get a hex and secure kill with your eyes closed since that shift button is pretty useful
Ever heard of this item called BKB ?
 
Yeah, go ahead and black hole me with your lil dagger, BKB doesn't prevent your lil blackhole, but it does prevent your lil midnight pulse, and then you die. :)
Didnt expect that ignorance from you, the damage type is universal, it goes thru bkb
You call it ignorance, I call it being smart. Incase you didn't know, one of the perks of being smart is the fact that you remember mostly just the relevant pieces of information, and mostly ignore the irrelevant pieces of information.

So here is what is relevant: the aoe effect after the chrono is casted is LARGER than the aoe of blackhole, and the cast range of chrono is larger than the cast range of black hole. That means void can cast it while being further away from enigma, enigma has to be closer to void to cast it, from this simple fact, there already is an immense advantage for void, coupled with the fact that void also has TIME WALK aside from a blink dagger (incase you try to run away with enigma), it's already enough to make you have absolutely no chance of surviving.

I don't have time to read up on some retarded game's mechanics, that doesn't stop me from being the best player here and raping every single one of you permanently on this server while not even playing even close to my full abilities.

I don't give a single fuck about your universal or non-universal damage, like I said, no matter what you do or what type of damage you have, I have the answer to every one of your "possibilities" (you have no possibilities), I have to correct response for every one of your "options" (you have no options), you are left choiceless, helpless, defenseless, hopeless, waiting for your unavoidable death to come.


I knew the damage type is universal, but I didn't even look at it from the perspective that it goes through bkb. You wanna know why ? Because it is completely irrelevant. You won't get to use it anyway.
You get the bkb on void to prevent the retarded ministun which would guarantee enigma's kill with a blink-dagger to void +instant shift ministun+fast/shifted midnightpulse+fast/shifted blackhole. With a bkb on void, that is out the window, because you won't mini stun, so void has time to blink out before you black hole, and then just kill you.

Because you can simply be aware as void of the blink dagger maximum range, and take it into account permanently, you can also be aware of the black hole cast range and black hole aoe effect, and when the time is right you can time walk outside it, since chrono has larger cast range and larger aoe effect, it's that simple, if enigma blinks out to avoid getting chronoed once you time walk there outside his range, you can just be ready to blink out also, again, outside black hole cast range and aoe effect while still being able to chrono enigma easily because it has larger cast range and aoe effect than black hole, and then enigma is dead 100%.


Edit: Added mega colours for such effects.
we got hex to cast right after the blink, if void waits us to come with his bkb active its ok, but hey lol that is more irrelevant
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on September 13, 2014, 10:08
%14 of target max hp per sec, and 8 seconds of duration, no one can survive that, and about the catching thing, if you get blink dagger you can also get a hex and secure kill with your eyes closed since that shift button is pretty useful
Ever heard of this item called BKB ?
 
Yeah, go ahead and black hole me with your lil dagger, BKB doesn't prevent your lil blackhole, but it does prevent your lil midnight pulse, and then you die. :)
Didnt expect that ignorance from you, the damage type is universal, it goes thru bkb
You call it ignorance, I call it being smart. Incase you didn't know, one of the perks of being smart is the fact that you remember mostly just the relevant pieces of information, and mostly ignore the irrelevant pieces of information.

So here is what is relevant: the aoe effect after the chrono is casted is LARGER than the aoe of blackhole, and the cast range of chrono is larger than the cast range of black hole. That means void can cast it while being further away from enigma, enigma has to be closer to void to cast it, from this simple fact, there already is an immense advantage for void, coupled with the fact that void also has TIME WALK aside from a blink dagger (incase you try to run away with enigma), it's already enough to make you have absolutely no chance of surviving.

I don't have time to read up on some retarded game's mechanics, that doesn't stop me from being the best player here and raping every single one of you permanently on this server while not even playing even close to my full abilities.

I don't give a single fuck about your universal or non-universal damage, like I said, no matter what you do or what type of damage you have, I have the answer to every one of your "possibilities" (you have no possibilities), I have to correct response for every one of your "options" (you have no options), you are left choiceless, helpless, defenseless, hopeless, waiting for your unavoidable death to come.


I knew the damage type is universal, but I didn't even look at it from the perspective that it goes through bkb. You wanna know why ? Because it is completely irrelevant. You won't get to use it anyway.
You get the bkb on void to prevent the retarded ministun which would guarantee enigma's kill with a blink-dagger to void +instant shift ministun+fast/shifted midnightpulse+fast/shifted blackhole. With a bkb on void, that is out the window, because you won't mini stun, so void has time to blink out before you black hole, and then just kill you.

Because you can simply be aware as void of the blink dagger maximum range, and take it into account permanently, you can also be aware of the black hole cast range and black hole aoe effect, and when the time is right you can time walk outside it, since chrono has larger cast range and larger aoe effect, it's that simple, if enigma blinks out to avoid getting chronoed once you time walk there outside his range, you can just be ready to blink out also, again, outside black hole cast range and aoe effect while still being able to chrono enigma easily because it has larger cast range and aoe effect than black hole, and then enigma is dead 100%.


Edit: Added mega colours for such effects.
we got hex to cast right after the blink, if void waits us to come with his bkb active its ok, but hey lol that is more irrelevant
You still didn't get it, even after what I typed ? ... Wow ...

Edit: Fine, let's try again, maybe this time I make your lil mind understand.

Yes, void activates bkb once you are in around 1500 range, BUT HE DOESN'T WAIT YOU, HE GOES AFTER YOU.
After he activates bkb once you are in around 1500 range, he time walks twards you outside of your black hole range but in his chrono range and threatens to chrono, if you stay you are dead, if you blink out to escape he blinks after you outside of your black hole range but again in his chrono range and you're dead.

Do you understand now ?
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: ColdWorld on September 13, 2014, 10:14
there is no doubt, void is best 1v1 6 sloted hero. End of story, wtf enigma bro? Worst shit i ever heard on this forum.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: courierpower on September 13, 2014, 10:32
there is no doubt, void is best 1v1 6 sloted hero. End of story, wtf enigma bro? Worst shit i ever heard on this forum.
even more shit than rearm tinker?

"Yes, void activates bkb once you are in around 1500 range, BUT HE DOESN'T WAIT YOU, HE GOES AFTER YOU."
DOES HE HAVE A FREAKING BLUR TO DECECT SOMEONE IS NEAR? LOL
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on September 13, 2014, 11:27
"Yes, void activates bkb once you are in around 1500 range, BUT HE DOESN'T WAIT YOU, HE GOES AFTER YOU."
DOES HE HAVE A FREAKING BLUR TO DECECT SOMEONE IS NEAR? LOL
Ok, you are either completely braindead, or simply outstandingly idiotic.

You don't take into account the scenario when both heroes are visible (because you are wrong and you know it), and now you come up with that ? ;D

Then why do you assume void is the one visible and vulnerable and not enigma ?
Why should void be seen by you and you not seen by him ?

Next you'll be telling me, enigma will be on the other side of map so void can't chrono enigma, or enigma won't be picked so void can't chrono a hero which isn't picked. ;D

I'm done here.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: NiGhT^^StAlKeR on September 13, 2014, 12:58
You won't even kill void with hole+pulse even if he let u get him, since backtrack will stop some dmg....

Generally speaking, void is best cause of chrono, after him sylla rapes all.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Bart on September 13, 2014, 18:12
techie unkillable
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Lagi on September 14, 2014, 14:05
techie unkillable
carry techies ftw  ;D
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: greekHero on September 18, 2014, 19:51
i can kill anyhero 1v1 with Tiny
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: Jimmy on September 18, 2014, 20:49
Ok close the topic , iwe seen everything now.
Title: Re: bestest 1v1 hero?
Post by: 1QuestioN! on September 18, 2014, 22:39
%14 of target max hp per sec, and 8 seconds of duration, no one can survive that, and about the catching thing, if you get blink dagger you can also get a hex and secure kill with your eyes closed since that shift button is pretty useful
Ever heard of this item called BKB ?
 
Yeah, go ahead and black hole me with your lil dagger, BKB doesn't prevent your lil blackhole, but it does prevent your lil midnight pulse, and then you die. :)
Didnt expect that ignorance from you, the damage type is universal, it goes thru bkb
You call it ignorance, I call it being smart. Incase you didn't know, one of the perks of being smart is the fact that you remember mostly just the relevant pieces of information, and mostly ignore the irrelevant pieces of information.

So here is what is relevant: the aoe effect after the chrono is casted is LARGER than the aoe of blackhole, and the cast range of chrono is larger than the cast range of black hole. That means void can cast it while being further away from enigma, enigma has to be closer to void to cast it, from this simple fact, there already is an immense advantage for void, coupled with the fact that void also has TIME WALK aside from a blink dagger (incase you try to run away with enigma), it's already enough to make you have absolutely no chance of surviving.

I don't have time to read up on some retarded game's mechanics, that doesn't stop me from being the best player here and raping every single one of you permanently on this server while not even playing even close to my full abilities.

I don't give a single fuck about your universal or non-universal damage, like I said, no matter what you do or what type of damage you have, I have the answer to every one of your "possibilities" (you have no possibilities), I have to correct response for every one of your "options" (you have no options), you are left choiceless, helpless, defenseless, hopeless, waiting for your unavoidable death to come.


I knew the damage type is universal, but I didn't even look at it from the perspective that it goes through bkb. You wanna know why ? Because it is completely irrelevant. You won't get to use it anyway.
You get the bkb on void to prevent the retarded ministun which would guarantee enigma's kill with a blink-dagger to void +instant shift ministun+fast/shifted midnightpulse+fast/shifted blackhole. With a bkb on void, that is out the window, because you won't mini stun, so void has time to blink out before you black hole, and then just kill you.

Because you can simply be aware as void of the blink dagger maximum range, and take it into account permanently, you can also be aware of the black hole cast range and black hole aoe effect, and when the time is right you can time walk outside it, since chrono has larger cast range and larger aoe effect, it's that simple, if enigma blinks out to avoid getting chronoed once you time walk there outside his range, you can just be ready to blink out also, again, outside black hole cast range and aoe effect while still being able to chrono enigma easily because it has larger cast range and aoe effect than black hole, and then enigma is dead 100%.


Edit: Added mega colours for such effects.
we got hex to cast right after the blink, if void waits us to come with his bkb active its ok, but hey lol that is more irrelevant
You still didn't get it, even after what I typed ? ... Wow ...

Edit: Fine, let's try again, maybe this time I make your lil mind understand.

Yes, void activates bkb once you are in around 1500 range, BUT HE DOESN'T WAIT YOU, HE GOES AFTER YOU.
After he activates bkb once you are in around 1500 range, he time walks twards you outside of your black hole range but in his chrono range and threatens to chrono, if you stay you are dead, if you blink out to escape he blinks after you outside of your black hole range but again in his chrono range and you're dead.

Do you understand now ?
Jesaaas who D fuck this this crap xD