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Title: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 03, 2014, 23:41
OK. We all found that server is not dying and that people is still playin' DotA 1 on this, familiar server, or shall I call it with one word ''BOT'', and this is only one usefull bot, nothing else, its certanly not a community (some of us learned that internet community is something when people from different places in the world unite in one unique system where we all done things to improve that system, that everybody should obey the rules of concerned community or even make a personal one that will help of improvement). If someone is breaking the rules, which are made by group of poeple who managing the community, by my opinion its hard-labour, than he/she should be punished by puffing from congregation. Of course there should be bypasses for some members who don't deserve total discharge based on their activity and previous obedience.

What I noticed during this 6 year of playing here is that there is a bunch of kids without basic upbringing, a lot of swearing in game, flame, personal indignities, guys with stiff hands and no reflexes, slow-thinking and basically poeple that are not borned for playing DotA (for example Common ^^). Another thing I noticed is that here is a lot of power abuse. Depressive and anxious moderators without a real life (i mean they dont have stance/attitude in real life so they abusing the position they've got so they can compensate that). Its fine by me to find cure in online games for some psychic illnes or problem but not in way of wading on humanity. I'll prompt one simple example: if one of the administrators or moderators using tool generally known as MAP HACK you can't really report him or if you do, you can't expect that he will be banned (there were some cases that mods had a quarrel and there came sanctions for those who waere in minority) but generally speaking mods or admins can use it without sanctions, and of course your report will be !denied and there is a chance that you actually get ban for reporting (?).

Lagabuse have well thought out rules, without any hole in that aspect. I congrats to team who made them.

Soon I'll get to the point.

Someone will call me a maphacker, so I need to tell this; I used to use map hack long time ago when i were novice in this game. It was easier to perceive gameplay with it and it was an easier way to get along with movement of other players and orientation of the map and motion of heroes and creeps. And I was able to balance my lack of playing skills with map hack. There was a moment when i realized that my skills are good enough so i can dismay enemies, that was a moment when I intermit usage of map hack because it was no longer fair to other players.

There is a way of banning people that are using map hack by banning their entire computer from access to the server, popularly called IP BAN which is carried out on eurobattle.net. So I wonder why it is not used here?!
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: jeandarc on June 04, 2014, 00:14
You have no freaking idea what u are talking about
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: OnModeRage on June 04, 2014, 00:27
You have no freaking idea what u are talking about
not everyone here knows that LA Hacks Staff can ban on eurobattle.net also and looks like Stex is one of them.
So I wonder why it is not used here?!
That wont help to get rid of maphackers cuz they can change their ip in 1 sec using programs or changing ip manually.The only way is to upd gproxy in a better version. This version of gproxy does not allow most of mh programs but seems some of them can still be used without getting caught in first time by gproxy.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 04, 2014, 00:35
You have no freaking idea what u are talking about

play with maphack/reported/perma banned/make new acc/turn on maphack/play again

circle of justice
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Resor on June 04, 2014, 00:46
It doesn't work this way. Banned account for MH may cause a lot more trouble for user than "create new'.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Resor on June 04, 2014, 01:03
Well. You've said you improve your skills from being casual noob by playing with MH. You took some experience and you was able to stand over good players without MH.

So mainly you believe it's OK to cheat all this players you've been played with for whole this time to achieve your skills. Over this time you get more map awareness, more clicking skills and all other stuff... This is fair by you?
Does taking steroid for whole career of boxer is an excuse when he will fight championship match without steroids? Do you think he will say "OK, I took some anabolics be cause it makes me big enough to fight with gorillas what I always wanted".

MH will be detected sooner or later. It's depends on players you've play with, not be cause of system that is improved to detect most common MH software.
You will never reach top level using MH - you will be detected somewhere in process.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 04, 2014, 01:12
Well. You've said you improve your skills from being casual noob by playing with MH. You took some experience and you was able to stand over good players without MH.

So mainly you believe it's OK to cheat all this players you've been played with for whole this time to achieve your skills. Over this time you get more map awareness, more clicking skills and all other stuff... This is fair by you?

MH will be detected sooner or later. It's depends on players you've play with, not be cause of system that is improved to detect most common MH software.
You will never reach top level using MH - you will be detected somewhere in process.

Im talking about sanctions against hackers not about noobs who get owned even if they have map hack.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 04, 2014, 01:19
Well. You've said you improve your skills from being casual noob by playing with MH. You took some experience and you was able to stand over good players without MH.

So mainly you believe it's OK to cheat all this players you've been played with for whole this time to achieve your skills. Over this time you get more map awareness, more clicking skills and all other stuff... This is fair by you?

I was that kind of noob who didnt know what tower is and i though i can kill it in 1st minute of the game. With mh i learned to recognize red dot on minimap as a hero aproaching me, before that i didnt even know what is minimap for. That kind of noob. xD
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 04, 2014, 01:39
You have no freaking idea what u are talking about
not everyone here knows that LA Hacks Staff can ban on eurobattle.net also and looks like Stex is one of them.

Im aware of that, one reason  more to give players a REAL perma ban for mh.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on June 04, 2014, 04:14
stex in a post:
" Guys, look at CoMMoN, he mean to me! He should be removed from community. waaah :'( , waaah :'( "

stex in the same post as above:
" Guys, I used maphack to get better at DotA, so it's ok because only I exist here, it doesn't matter how many games I've ruined for others, only I matter. I shouldn't be removed from community. "

Wow.

Seek professional help, get your brain checked.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on June 04, 2014, 04:34
As far as your thread which is clearly in the interest of the server, ( nottotrytograbsomepositionofpowerherelikethepowerhungrymaniacthatyouare :D ) you should try reading the link which I'll post below, since it actually has a solution to this problem.

Ip bans are a minor inconvenience. Yes Resor, someone banned by ip or normally for MH, can simply be traced eventually and have any new nick created banned aswell so he will get some "headache" from it, but that isn't a solution, he can just take an aspirin. :D
That doesn't prevent him from still creating new accounts and ruining games, even for a short time, even if he doesn't reach #1 because he is found eventually, he still is creating new accounts, and ruining games.

The solution is to close the new server account registration, and yes it is a very viable option, it's not at all "unreasonable" if you think about it.

More indepth in the link below.

http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=154669.0
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 04, 2014, 12:04
stex in a post:
" Guys, look at CoMMoN, he mean to me! He should be removed from community. waaah :'( , waaah :'( "

stex in the same post as above:
" Guys, I used maphack to get better at DotA, so it's ok because only I exist here, it doesn't matter how many games I've ruined for others, only I matter. I shouldn't be removed from community. "

Wow.

Seek professional help, get your brain checked.

your opiniot is most valid oh my all mighty i wanna lick your feet ro sheet.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 04, 2014, 12:06
anyway your sugestrion to close registration is the most stupid ive ever seen. Youre right it gonna solve problem with map hack but whats with new players?
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Astaroth on June 04, 2014, 13:12
I'd say that banning users' HW IDs would be enough. Not everyone has 4 computers and money to buy new HW over and over.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Sejanus on June 04, 2014, 13:15
I agree that MH runs around and do not get banned and most of report are simply ignored!! &
!denied for not enough evidence >>> as the evidence we give MODS explain as "skilled" player, or by saying they PLAYED with the PERSON before and HE doesn't USE MH.
(shame that it only encourages them to use MH more)

AND HERE is a great example, cos people use MH when they need NOT all the time, that HE DIDNT USE MH WITH U> MOD > DOESN'T MEAN HE DIDN'T USE IT IN OUR FUCKING GAMES!!

BAN MHERS DONT TRY TO EXPLAIN THEM! TRUST ME WE WATCH THE REPLY BEFORE MAKING THE REPORT AS WELL TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T REPORT INNOCENTS!

They use MH to MAKE GOOD STATS and TO MAKE GOOD PSR, so if u ban and they have to START OVER ITS itself ENOUGH punishment, even IP ban IS not NEEDED. I have seen PSR 1670+ running around wtih MH just yesterday, nobody bothered to even REPORT him as they know they will be IGNORED!
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 04, 2014, 15:35
I'd say that banning users' HW IDs would be enough. Not everyone has 4 computers and money to buy new HW over and over.

thats exactly what Im suggesting to be done with every mh user
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ak.47. on June 04, 2014, 16:43
if one of the administrators or moderators using tool generally known as MAP HACK you can't really report him or if you do, you can't expect that he will be banned (there were some cases that mods had a quarrel and there came sanctions for those who waere in minority) but generally speaking mods or admins can use it without sanctions, and of course your report will be !denied and there is a chance that you actually get ban for reporting (?).
Like you did when you been in the staff then you were exiled. You just talking nonsense.

I used to use map hack long time ago when i were novice in this game.
Seems that you are still novice because your acc "mrfrog" is banned for mh 1 month ago...

play with maphack/reported/perma banned/make new acc/turn on maphack/play again
circle of justice
Kingw3 talking about circle of justice..

You have no freaking idea what u are talking about
First time to agree with you.



Btw with this new eurobattle loader and hacks protection , we reduced percent of MHers for at least 70%.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: iNevermore on June 04, 2014, 16:57
I am playing dota for more than 6 years, alot of more. After whole this time I can surelly say one thing.
Give MH to everyone, this will stop complains about it. If in this year you still cant figure out how to protect server correctly than this thrad has no sense. If making payment like 2e for each acc is 2 much for some kids here than I am sorry but nothing gona change at all.
Pay2play or earn2pay2play.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: OnModeRage on June 04, 2014, 17:01
im asking myself why ak is talking about Stex's past and not about the point of this who is 'how to get rid of maphackers forever'. Mh section still has some unsolved req since on 17/05/2014 and u are keep scaning member's past instead of doing your job who is to demote those hack mods who are inactive and to clean mh section.just sad.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ak.47. on June 04, 2014, 17:37
im asking myself why ak is talking about Stex's past and not about the point of this who is 'how to get rid of maphackers forever'. Mh section still has some unsolved req since on 17/05/2014 and u are keep scaning member's past instead of doing your job who is to demote those hack mods who are inactive and to clean mh section.just sad.
We have plans for "how to get rid od mhers" and it is not for public, do not worry about that.About mods , I`ll just say that they have lifes , they are humans like you and me...Some of them have some problems in family , some of them can not be online due r/l obligations etc...You noticed only one period where they are not active but not period where they were active and solved thousands reports.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: OnModeRage on June 04, 2014, 18:22
We have plans for "how to get rid od mhers" and it is not for public, do not worry about that.About mods , I`ll just say that they have lifes , they are humans like you and me...Some of them have some problems in family , some of them can not be online due r/l obligations etc...You noticed only one period where they are not active but not period where they were active and solved thousands reports.
if only 1 of mods would solve 1 req per day from 17 may till day,mh section would have been cleaned from reports now anyway if u say that is normal thing i will have to agree with u.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on June 04, 2014, 18:34
anyway your sugestrion to close registration is the most stupid ive ever seen. Youre right it gonna solve problem with map hack but whats with new players?
What new players ? You think this is 2008 ? This is 2014. "New players" get dota 2, they don't search some obscure dota 1 platform which isn't secure from mhers. Some do, very few. Maybe 10 per month, if you are extremely optimistic.

Here we have much more than 1000+ maphackers/other cheats users, what has priority in your opinion, 10 new players per month which probably won't stay long after they see the state of this server, or removing 1000+ cheaters permanently ?

Also, like I've told you before, you should refrain from talking about "stupid" things, since you can't even type properly or use your brain, as you clearly demonstrate in pretty much every single one of your posts.

im asking myself why ak is talking about Stex's past and not about the point of this who is 'how to get rid of maphackers forever'. Mh section still has some unsolved req since on 17/05/2014 and u are keep scaning member's past instead of doing your job who is to demote those hack mods who are inactive and to clean mh section.just sad.
He just said two posts before you posted this, that stex has an acc "mrfrog" which was banned for mh 1 month ago, you talk like he is talking about things which happened years ago.

And how exactly do you dare to comment on what ak is doing, when he is one of the few people here who actually contribute, when you don't do shit for this community yourself other than bitching on forum ?
I don't see you offering your help to solve them, so don't dare to talk.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Lagi on June 04, 2014, 18:35
I used to use map hack long time ago when i were novice in this game. It was easier to perceive gameplay with it and it was an easier way to get along with movement of other players and orientation of the map and motion of heroes and creeps. And I was able to balance my lack of playing skills with map hack. There was a moment when i realized that my skills are good enough so i can dismay enemies, that was a moment when I intermit usage of map hack because it was no longer fair to other players.

There is a way of banning people that are using map hack by banning their entire computer from access to the server, popularly called IP BAN which is carried out on eurobattle.net. So I wonder why it is not used here?!

You used mh then you want to ban maphackers, seriously wtf. They should start mh sanctions with banning you from this server. It's like im killing random ppl in real life for 1 year, then i stop killing ppl, and start campaign for death sentence for murderers.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on June 04, 2014, 18:39
I used to use map hack long time ago when i were novice in this game. It was easier to perceive gameplay with it and it was an easier way to get along with movement of other players and orientation of the map and motion of heroes and creeps. And I was able to balance my lack of playing skills with map hack. There was a moment when i realized that my skills are good enough so i can dismay enemies, that was a moment when I intermit usage of map hack because it was no longer fair to other players.

There is a way of banning people that are using map hack by banning their entire computer from access to the server, popularly called IP BAN which is carried out on eurobattle.net. So I wonder why it is not used here?!

You used mh then you want to ban maphackers, seriously wtf. They should start mh sanctions with banning you from this server. It's like im killing random ppl in real life for 1 year, then i stop killing ppl, and start campaign for death sentence for murderers.
You shouldn't bother with him, he is known to be completely unreasonable and childish.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: OnModeRage on June 04, 2014, 18:44
And how exactly do you dare to comment on what ak is doing, when he is one of the few people here who actually contribute, when you don't do shit for this community yourself other than bitching on forum ?
I don't see you offering your help to solve them, so don't dare to talk.
saying that Mh Staff is inactive isn't true? since he admitted it im not even try to comment anymore about it.
my principle is to talk about things that i know and now u are talking about my contribution here without knowing who im :D
anyway i got the anwser from ak.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on June 04, 2014, 18:47
And how exactly do you dare to comment on what ak is doing, when he is one of the few people here who actually contribute, when you don't do shit for this community yourself other than bitching on forum ?
I don't see you offering your help to solve them, so don't dare to talk.
saying that Mh Staff is inactive isn't true? since he admitted it im not even try to comment anymore about it.
my principle is to talk about things that i know and now u are talking about my contribution here without knowing who im :D
anyway i got the anwser from ak.
Ah I know who you are now, can you blame me though, you seemed like a random with this nick. :D
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Lagi on June 04, 2014, 19:31
And how exactly do you dare to comment on what ak is doing, when he is one of the few people here who actually contribute, when you don't do shit for this community yourself other than bitching on forum ?
I don't see you offering your help to solve them, so don't dare to talk.
saying that Mh Staff is inactive isn't true? since he admitted it im not even try to comment anymore about it.
my principle is to talk about things that i know and now u are talking about my contribution here without knowing who im :D
anyway i got the anwser from ak.
i_like_dat. Riddle solved easy xD
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 06, 2014, 12:15
if one of the administrators or moderators using tool generally known as MAP HACK you can't really report him or if you do, you can't expect that he will be banned (there were some cases that mods had a quarrel and there came sanctions for those who waere in minority) but generally speaking mods or admins can use it without sanctions, and of course your report will be !denied and there is a chance that you actually get ban for reporting (?).
Like you did when you been in the staff then you were exiled. You just talking nonsense.

I used to use map hack long time ago when i were novice in this game.
Seems that you are still novice because your acc "mrfrog" is banned for mh 1 month ago...

play with maphack/reported/perma banned/make new acc/turn on maphack/play again
circle of justice
Kingw3 talking about circle of justice..

You have no freaking idea what u are talking about
First time to agree with you.



Btw with this new eurobattle loader and hacks protection , we reduced percent of MHers for at least 70%.

lol, a lot of bullshits,
i've never been staff member!
account mrfrog is not banned.

AND YES GUYS THIS ONE IS A HACK MODERATOR, who got insulted by my contention.

circle of justice is a real thing
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 06, 2014, 12:24
im asking myself why ak is talking about Stex's past and not about the point of this who is 'how to get rid of maphackers forever'. Mh section still has some unsolved req since on 17/05/2014 and u are keep scaning member's past instead of doing your job who is to demote those hack mods who are inactive and to clean mh section.just sad.

They love me! :D

I used to use map hack long time ago when i were novice in this game. It was easier to perceive gameplay with it and it was an easier way to get along with movement of other players and orientation of the map and motion of heroes and creeps. And I was able to balance my lack of playing skills with map hack. There was a moment when i realized that my skills are good enough so i can dismay enemies, that was a moment when I intermit usage of map hack because it was no longer fair to other players.

There is a way of banning people that are using map hack by banning their entire computer from access to the server, popularly called IP BAN which is carried out on eurobattle.net. So I wonder why it is not used here?!

You used mh then you want to ban maphackers, seriously wtf. They should start mh sanctions with banning you from this server. It's like im killing random ppl in real life for 1 year, then i stop killing ppl, and start campaign for death sentence for murderers.

you are comparing mh-ers with murders, I like the way you think man. Obviusly you are smart guy.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: .SaLiH. on June 06, 2014, 14:13
im asking myself why ak is talking about Stex's past and not about the point of this who is 'how to get rid of maphackers forever'. Mh section still has some unsolved req since on 17/05/2014 and u are keep scaning member's past instead of doing your job who is to demote those hack mods who are inactive and to clean mh section.just sad.

here in staff in my oppinion hardest job is being "Hacks Moderator" , you are watching replays , you should watch whole game to catch someone or to check someone. Thats not easy huh? lets say per replay is 30min or 25min game still its too much to check all of the games. Even hack mods have real life like you do. he's human like you too. And the important thing is he is doing this becouse he wants, he's not getting money. And you are blaming him? srsly? he's checking per day let's say max 3 replays, he wants to play DotA too, he has school, he has job, he wants to eat , drink , go wc , go out everything what you want to do, and he has no time for all of them, and you say that hack mods must solve every single request after they posted it? No, they dont have to do this. Even if you were hack mod, you would be bored as well. So stop fucking blame admins/mods here, they are not getting money and they are trying their best to be mod here.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ilikedat on June 06, 2014, 14:49
lets say per replay is 30min or 25min game still its too much to check all of the games.
thats not true,there is no need to check whole replay but only those situations who are submitted in mh report.
he's checking per day let's say max 3 replays
hes not,thats the problem here lolz.
Even if you were hack mod, you would be bored as well. So stop fucking blame admins/mods here, they are not getting money and they are trying their best to be mod here.
listen Salih,they are not doing their job properly.facts are facts.
and pls just let aside that part 'they have a life' cuz everyone knows that but if they cant solve even 1 req per day than why they are still here.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: .SaLiH. on June 06, 2014, 15:07
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thats not true,there is no need to check whole replay but only those situations who are submitted in mh report.

and what about in games which there is no "fog clicks" or very clear mh situations? however who knows to use mh, like some "pros" they are making maybe 2or 3 suspicious situations and you have to check it. or some situations as you said "situations which are submitted in mh report" are at min 20-30-40.. Im telling that being hacks mod is not easy , belive me, I've been hacks mod too, I thought that I can do, I was thinking like you, why they are not checking at least 1 post per day, and I had became hacks mod and I saw that its not like I thought. It's too hard, belive me. Man you don't get it , do you? you think its easy to check replays ? he can be bored ofc, I've been, at start I was watching 4-5 replays, but after 1-2 weeks you dont want to watch them. Someone will post a mh report and lets say situation is at min 20, there is no fog click or something, and he's not mh, you use even replay seeker to make faster replay but still it takes almost 10-15 min, if you miss just 1 sec or one action, you have to watch it again. Well, as I said they are bored, or they have some real life issues , or they dont want to watch replays anymore, or they dont play dota anymore, it can be many things. And as I said before, they dont get any money and he'll think like, I dont have to do this, i dont get any money why should I? better to do my real job, or I want to spend time with my gf, or I want to play football.. I dont know how you can't understand this but, ok , as you said I will step a side :)

Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Lagi on June 06, 2014, 23:51
im asking myself why ak is talking about Stex's past and not about the point of this who is 'how to get rid of maphackers forever'. Mh section still has some unsolved req since on 17/05/2014 and u are keep scaning member's past instead of doing your job who is to demote those hack mods who are inactive and to clean mh section.just sad.

They love me! :D

I used to use map hack long time ago when i were novice in this game. It was easier to perceive gameplay with it and it was an easier way to get along with movement of other players and orientation of the map and motion of heroes and creeps. And I was able to balance my lack of playing skills with map hack. There was a moment when i realized that my skills are good enough so i can dismay enemies, that was a moment when I intermit usage of map hack because it was no longer fair to other players.

There is a way of banning people that are using map hack by banning their entire computer from access to the server, popularly called IP BAN which is carried out on eurobattle.net. So I wonder why it is not used here?!

You used mh then you want to ban maphackers, seriously wtf. They should start mh sanctions with banning you from this server. It's like im killing random ppl in real life for 1 year, then i stop killing ppl, and start campaign for death sentence for murderers.

you are comparing mh-ers with murders, I like the way you think man. Obviusly you are smart guy.

As i see you never heared about "poetical exaggeration". Go, google it.

I'd say that banning users' HW IDs would be enough. Not everyone has 4 computers and money to buy new HW over and over.

thats exactly what Im suggesting to be done with every mh user

THEN FUCKIN LEAVE LA!! You were maphacking too, you are running a campaing against yourself.
Cant believe this guy srsly...
I hope you will be the first who get a hwid ban, if there will be.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Rocka on June 07, 2014, 12:27
what is this shit about, i barely meet any mhers to be honest. Maybe 1 in 10-20 games or so?
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 07, 2014, 18:31
im asking myself why ak is talking about Stex's past and not about the point of this who is 'how to get rid of maphackers forever'. Mh section still has some unsolved req since on 17/05/2014 and u are keep scaning member's past instead of doing your job who is to demote those hack mods who are inactive and to clean mh section.just sad.

They love me! :D

I used to use map hack long time ago when i were novice in this game. It was easier to perceive gameplay with it and it was an easier way to get along with movement of other players and orientation of the map and motion of heroes and creeps. And I was able to balance my lack of playing skills with map hack. There was a moment when i realized that my skills are good enough so i can dismay enemies, that was a moment when I intermit usage of map hack because it was no longer fair to other players.

There is a way of banning people that are using map hack by banning their entire computer from access to the server, popularly called IP BAN which is carried out on eurobattle.net. So I wonder why it is not used here?!

You used mh then you want to ban maphackers, seriously wtf. They should start mh sanctions with banning you from this server. It's like im killing random ppl in real life for 1 year, then i stop killing ppl, and start campaign for death sentence for murderers.

you are comparing mh-ers with murders, I like the way you think man. Obviusly you are smart guy.

As i see you never heared about "poetical exaggeration". Go, google it.

I'd say that banning users' HW IDs would be enough. Not everyone has 4 computers and money to buy new HW over and over.

thats exactly what Im suggesting to be done with every mh user

THEN FUCKIN LEAVE LA!! You were maphacking too, you are running a campaing against yourself.
Cant believe this guy srsly...
I hope you will be the first who get a hwid ban, if there will be.

you sugesting Im using mh, so natural way of things is that i should be banned. And thats exactly what im talking about. If your claims are right and im using mh, why am I still playing freely? Than my claim is right too, bcs im still here and playing active.
You speaking nonsense, so its better to find some proper acusation or leave thread until you have something smart to say.
Logic is what humans are proud for, and your claims doesnt meet logic sense at all.

@rocka dude, easy mode are full of hackers... Im placing wards, which in easy mode is not expected and i can clearly see what theyre doing, and often i dl replay and watch whole game following suspicious guy and in 90% im was right for suspicion.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Rocka on June 07, 2014, 20:48
why u play easy mode anyway even LoL is better than easy mode
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 08, 2014, 10:35
why u play easy mode anyway even LoL is better than easy mode

:D youre right
I do sometimes it can be fun when i dont have enough time to play whole normal mode game.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Lagi on June 08, 2014, 11:17
im asking myself why ak is talking about Stex's past and not about the point of this who is 'how to get rid of maphackers forever'. Mh section still has some unsolved req since on 17/05/2014 and u are keep scaning member's past instead of doing your job who is to demote those hack mods who are inactive and to clean mh section.just sad.

They love me! :D

I used to use map hack long time ago when i were novice in this game. It was easier to perceive gameplay with it and it was an easier way to get along with movement of other players and orientation of the map and motion of heroes and creeps. And I was able to balance my lack of playing skills with map hack. There was a moment when i realized that my skills are good enough so i can dismay enemies, that was a moment when I intermit usage of map hack because it was no longer fair to other players.

There is a way of banning people that are using map hack by banning their entire computer from access to the server, popularly called IP BAN which is carried out on eurobattle.net. So I wonder why it is not used here?!

You used mh then you want to ban maphackers, seriously wtf. They should start mh sanctions with banning you from this server. It's like im killing random ppl in real life for 1 year, then i stop killing ppl, and start campaign for death sentence for murderers.

you are comparing mh-ers with murders, I like the way you think man. Obviusly you are smart guy.

As i see you never heared about "poetical exaggeration". Go, google it.

I'd say that banning users' HW IDs would be enough. Not everyone has 4 computers and money to buy new HW over and over.

thats exactly what Im suggesting to be done with every mh user

THEN FUCKIN LEAVE LA!! You were maphacking too, you are running a campaing against yourself.
Cant believe this guy srsly...
I hope you will be the first who get a hwid ban, if there will be.

you sugesting Im using mh, so natural way of things is that i should be banned. And thats exactly what im talking about. If your claims are right and im using mh, why am I still playing freely? Than my claim is right too, bcs im still here and playing active.
You speaking nonsense, so its better to find some proper acusation or leave thread until you have something smart to say.
Logic is what humans are proud for, and your claims doesnt meet logic sense at all.

You confessed that you used maphack, and now you opened a topic where you say maphackers should be banned. That is what illogic for me, but ok i will write what i want to say in 1 single sentence:
Maphackers shouldn't open any discussion about maphack, they should just simply shut the fuck up.

You blame the staff for having maphackers on the server, but what did you do against maphackers? Nothing + you used mh too.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: cen on June 08, 2014, 16:08
Most of you have no idea how things work (and you shouldn't) so it is hard to read all this nonsense for me.

Here are a few facts to keep things straight:
1. We don't ban IP because it's useless. We ban computers with various methods.

2. We detect 90% of known hacks. The only reason we can't detect all of them or have a perfect solution is simply because we lack the expertise to code such a thing. Preventing hacks to mess with a running process is a very tricky business which is theoretically impossible. If we found a l33t coder to help with that it would be awesome. Anti-cheat systems is not something every script kiddie can do..

3. Disabling registration or paying for an account is just a silly idea. If you want to truly isolate yourself from public EM games you should join a private league. There is much less mh in private leagues because you won't be able to come back once you get caught.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: iNevermore on June 08, 2014, 16:36
Why paying is silly idea? I dont belive people here are so poor they cant afford 2euros paying the account. Even if that wouldnt stop MH it will atleast bring some money for "coders" or stop people in creating bazilion of new accs that are overloading servers...
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: cen on June 08, 2014, 17:12
In some countries you can't even have a credit card until you are 18. And even if you can, most people do not have it because you must pay a yearly fee for it. You need MC/Visa in order to be able to use Paypal. Even if we only charged 1 cent this would still create a big barrier for underage players and people who don't have it.

This would also mean we now have to store payments and possibly CC info on our server. I really don't want to be responsible for such data in case we get hacked (and it happened in the past). There are probably some legal stuff you have to deal with if you even want to have such info. I really don't want to deal with things like this. We are just a bunch of regular people, not a company.

I hope you see my concerns and why that is a stupid idea.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: iNevermore on June 08, 2014, 17:31
Well.. there is a point in what you have said.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 08, 2014, 19:52
im asking myself why ak is talking about Stex's past and not about the point of this who is 'how to get rid of maphackers forever'. Mh section still has some unsolved req since on 17/05/2014 and u are keep scaning member's past instead of doing your job who is to demote those hack mods who are inactive and to clean mh section.just sad.

They love me! :D

I used to use map hack long time ago when i were novice in this game. It was easier to perceive gameplay with it and it was an easier way to get along with movement of other players and orientation of the map and motion of heroes and creeps. And I was able to balance my lack of playing skills with map hack. There was a moment when i realized that my skills are good enough so i can dismay enemies, that was a moment when I intermit usage of map hack because it was no longer fair to other players.

There is a way of banning people that are using map hack by banning their entire computer from access to the server, popularly called IP BAN which is carried out on eurobattle.net. So I wonder why it is not used here?!

You used mh then you want to ban maphackers, seriously wtf. They should start mh sanctions with banning you from this server. It's like im killing random ppl in real life for 1 year, then i stop killing ppl, and start campaign for death sentence for murderers.

you are comparing mh-ers with murders, I like the way you think man. Obviusly you are smart guy.

As i see you never heared about "poetical exaggeration". Go, google it.

I'd say that banning users' HW IDs would be enough. Not everyone has 4 computers and money to buy new HW over and over.

thats exactly what Im suggesting to be done with every mh user

THEN FUCKIN LEAVE LA!! You were maphacking too, you are running a campaing against yourself.
Cant believe this guy srsly...
I hope you will be the first who get a hwid ban, if there will be.

you sugesting Im using mh, so natural way of things is that i should be banned. And thats exactly what im talking about. If your claims are right and im using mh, why am I still playing freely? Than my claim is right too, bcs im still here and playing active.
You speaking nonsense, so its better to find some proper acusation or leave thread until you have something smart to say.
Logic is what humans are proud for, and your claims doesnt meet logic sense at all.


Maphackers shouldn't open any discussion about maphack, they should just simply shut the fuck up.


i totally agree.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 09, 2014, 04:32
Why paying is silly idea? I dont belive people here are so poor they cant afford 2euros paying the account. Even if that wouldnt stop MH it will atleast bring some money for "coders" or stop people in creating bazilion of new accs that are overloading servers...

Paying the game is not solution, bcs map hackers can pay it too. Maybe money will bring better coders but it will decrease number of players.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: [Yuma]Psihijatar on June 09, 2014, 14:58
You have no freaking idea what u are talking about
this
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 09, 2014, 18:01
Since thread started ive got 14 (-) for it so i made conclusion that ppl doesnt want to ban hackers and probably half of them are using it so this thread should be locked. ty for attention.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ilikedat on June 09, 2014, 18:04
Since thread started ive got 14 (-) for it so i made conclusion that ppl doesnt want to ban hackers and probably half of them are using it so this thread should be locked. ty for attention.
just fuck them who still play with carma,carmagays!
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: jeandarc on June 09, 2014, 19:07
+1 ^St3x

you might not have won the battle, but you will win the war!
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 09, 2014, 19:40
+1 ^St3x

you might not have won the battle, but you will win the war!

liar!

I will win the wor for sure! :D
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 10, 2014, 00:51
Donkeys
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ColdWorld on June 10, 2014, 02:00
Since thread started ive got 14 (-) for it so i made conclusion that ppl doesnt want to ban hackers and probably half of them are using it so this thread should be locked. ty for attention.
just fuck them who still play with carma,carmagays!
so fuck you then?
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: castiele on June 10, 2014, 04:31
Reading all this posts i laughed alot;)there is some truth,but mostly hard bullshits arround,its true this server easy becoming paradise for mhers,but cen already explained,you cant purge mh so easy,banning ip can be bypassed.

One of  clever solution is to disable mails from they register a new accounts(like mailinator.com)and allow mail clients like gmail or any service where is  required a cellphone confirmation atleast...

Other thing,current anti mh team really sucks,only 2-3 ppl(ak47,dinamovac)know the actually job(if we can call it "job"because they arent paid for time they spend and work they provide),others mh mods they couldnt catch a whore on street,and its a shame when i see some request they are denied,from some stupid reasons like you didnt post properly,no click action,hmmm or simple denied its not mh,facepalmself...

For the last 2 months i played here from rubish noobish to the decent pubs,and in every game,atleast 1 mher,first 3-4 times i reported but then i realized its pointless,and i stop it;(
For you kiddoes you like to whine about"mod abuse","not fair ban/unban" and etc,get over it,you dont like here,then what hold you to stay and play?

Overall this community is nice and promising,its a little naive to judge about few retards who see other ppl like noobs or insects,laming kiddoes with mh and other cheats,ignore it and enjoy in game,after all its only a game.I know after this post i'll be nerfed,staff feel free to censure if you didnt like it;)

Best regards and GL/HF
 
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 10, 2014, 12:12
lil naive kids... Donkeys
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: jeandarc on June 10, 2014, 13:55
you are starting to overuse the word "donkey", please be more creative in order to grow your wanted attention.


Jean, Love and Peace.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 10, 2014, 16:18
donkeyfaces, donkeyasses, donkeysbrains...

its all related to you donkeys. But in donkey world there is smart donkeys who will figurate out why am I classfying you as a donkeys. Donkey is noble creature but there is one catch with donkeys and as i said smarter donkeys maybe figurate out what is it.

Translation:
Such dose of stupidity on one place is pretty funny, only ak47 found some answers here in this thread :D
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: LEGEN-WAIT-DARY on June 10, 2014, 16:31
wuddup fools nice to see some old faces here..you old farts
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Jimmy on June 11, 2014, 00:06
Watz up
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Asandir on June 11, 2014, 02:34
One of  clever solution is to disable mails from they register a new accounts(like mailinator.com)and allow mail clients like gmail or any service where is  required a cellphone confirmation atleast...

Support

For the last 2 months i played here from rubish noobish to the decent pubs,and in every game,atleast 1 mher,first 3-4 times i reported but then i realized its pointless,and i stop it;(

As mentioned recently in other posts, since the newest loader has been implemented, MH users have reduced greatly, and people mostly call MH that is just warding or predictable movements which can be foreseen by anyone with decent game knowledge. Then of course it's denied and people get angry, but no one can really accept that someone is better than him/her.

Overall this community is nice and promising,its a little naive to judge about few retards who see other ppl like noobs or insects,laming kiddoes with mh and other cheats,ignore it and enjoy in game,after all its only a game.I know after this post i'll be nerfed,staff feel free to censure if you didnt like it;)
Hope you like it :)
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on June 11, 2014, 06:01
For the last 2 months i played here from rubish noobish to the decent pubs,and in every game,atleast 1 mher,first 3-4 times i reported but then i realized its pointless,and i stop it;(

As mentioned recently in other posts, since the newest loader has been implemented, MH users have reduced greatly, and people mostly call MH that is just warding or predictable movements which can be foreseen by anyone with decent game knowledge. Then of course it's denied and people get angry, but no one can really accept that someone is better than him/her.
MH users may have been reduced, but not at all greatly, since there is always at least one in almost every game. (and this is coming from the best player on this server, so I have no reason to justify "someone being better than me", since there is no such person here)

Also, mh disregarded, there is still CLICK DETECTOR, which as far as I know isn't blocked by the new gproxy either, and it's as much of a cheat as maphack is.

You can see that the number of people using click detector is ridicolously big with simple examples like people not pinging at roshan when all enemy heroes missing (when they aren't doing roshan) and then suddenly pinging at roshan when the game situation/hero presence on the map wouldn't indicate it, and these same people who ping at roshan with their "mega game awareness" are those which can't see an obvious "gank" coming. (click detector doesn't see enemy heroes click movecommand on ground I assume, or otherwise they would just run away)



P.S: If you wanna have fun vs someone with click detector, you can see how hilarious their reaction is, when you are far away on a different lane, but hidden, with someone else in your team (the bigger the number, the funnier the reaction), and you spam attack command on them, it's ridicolously hilarious to see how obvious it is that they use it, when they are suddenly panicking and backing, just because of click spam on their hero when there's no real danger in sight. ;D
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Astaroth on June 11, 2014, 08:28
I used to infest some neutrals with Naix and keep selecting him like retard for minute or so. Few pings per second.
Pretty annoying for those who had the click detector.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Sejanus on June 11, 2014, 12:33
The game I played recently there was a team of turks, speaking of mh half the game, ping whole game all over the fog(watch any minute of reply)> laughing at lag abuse staff>
I joined their channel later to investigate more > after google translate I found out that:
they were giving examples to each other of games where > they used MH - were reported and then LAG ABUSE staff explained it as skill> and did not BAN them!!

In this game here> same story> they even admit to mh to other "turks" from other team. and still
dont get banned> and then i am called the "naive" one.
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=154971.0#msg536289

Cos every fucking player in pubs is SO FUCKING skilled in your opinion, that they dont need MH. Good Luck cos it will never change if u dont OPEN your eyes!!!
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Lagi on June 11, 2014, 13:42
The game I played recently there was a team of turks, speaking of mh half the game, ping whole game all over the fog(watch any minute of reply)> laughing at lag abuse staff>
I joined their channel later to investigate more > after google translate I found out that:
they were giving examples to each other of games where > they used MH - were reported and then LAG ABUSE staff explained it as skill> and did not BAN them!!

In this game here> same story> they even admit to mh to other "turks" from other team. and still
dont get banned> and then i am called the "naive" one.
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=154971.0#msg536289

Cos every fucking player in pubs is SO FUCKING skilled in your opinion, that they dont need MH. Good Luck cos it will never change if u dont OPEN your eyes!!!
Maybe you should open your eyes, also open replay, checking it, and provide exact situations where they used maphack. This thing was written billions of times to reports, but you keep reporting mh with some chatlog etc.
Everybody want the maphack moderators to work faster, but noone want to help them a bit and check the replay, giving them the points of interest. You want them to check40-50 min replays without having any clue where to check since they were not in that game. Make proper ban/Mh requests, its not that hard. Or if you think it is easy, click on for example 10 mh requests, get the replays and try to find the clear maphack situations, without reading the times in the request. You will spend veeeeery long hours with it.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Sejanus on June 11, 2014, 14:48
Lagi I don't know if u were born yesterday or u just pretend> look mh reports> and realise it simply doesn't work. Most people I know of gave up on even reporting. So did I, but after what I witnessed> which was a CLAN of MH laughing his ass out about never being banned and saved each time by staff, it was too much.

I had made plenty of reports (right ways with examples) > most denied > and that's the reason people stop reporting cos they are not taken seriously, and staff rather explain the situation than try to see the real truth behind. They want to make sure they don't ban innocents and for that reason they let the real MHers walk.

So yes u open your eyes and don't respond if u don't know all the facts.

For me that conversation is over I c there is no point of even bothering. Maybe we should all start MH, then it would be fair for every1.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: jeandarc on June 11, 2014, 15:07
^ i agree, i couldn't possible say it better than u did

+1 well deserved karma for you sir
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Lagi on June 11, 2014, 15:34
If you say in chat for example that you have mh to joke, then someone report you, and you got banned without checking situations for clear mh usage (as you want to things go by) and you didnt use maphack at all, you would cry like hell to check it again. Before you became the innocent who got banned for some chatlog report shit you cant realize the weight of a bad decision. I hope you will witness this situation to feel the difference between clear maphack situation and suspicious situation. And to be clear i dont say that those guys didnt have maphack, i talk about improper maphack reports in general, like the one you linked.

Btw according to 1 of your previous posts which is actually the "Idea of the year" for me, i dont think I can make you think about the situation and change your mind, so yep, it is better to end the conversation.

And here it comes, the idea of the year:

random bans for higher psr, as they think they are untouchable. not lows.
Random bans for the win! I can imagine that shitload of cry/flame what you would make on the forum after got banned randomly.

Anyways have a nice day :)
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Sejanus on June 11, 2014, 16:23
Lagi anybody with some IQ can recognize what is a joke what isn't.

I have many years of experience as GM on various mmorpg servers, starting Legend of Mir, WoW and many others. Its my job for which I get paid for. I know what are the consequences of banning the innocent, but there are even bigger ones when we don't that the risk. Trust me on that.

If you don't stop something early it GROWS.


ps. u take one sentence out of context and call it idea of the year:) thats just comic my friend;)
you really have think twice before you post something.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: jeandarc on June 11, 2014, 16:25
Sejanus im starting to like you, please wait till one hour passes and i'll reward you with another +1 karma
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Sejanus on June 11, 2014, 17:43
There is also 1 more thing I want to add!!

IF SOME1 ADMIT TO MH EVEN IF HE DOESN'T USE, HE SHOULD BE BANNED ON THE SPOT!!, NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!

You call MH serious accusation so TREAT is SERIOUSLY, don't let them "troll" around about it! BAN!

In most mmorpgs I was in the administration its the person who lied about his hack that has to explain himself to get unbanned. Any hacks are treated seriously as they ruin the game balance and bring HUGE loses for the server, as well as loses in players count!

What do u think is happening around here? A lot of good players left the server cos of MH, community pays!
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ColdWorld on June 11, 2014, 18:18
There is also 1 more thing I want to add!!

IF SOME1 ADMIT TO MH EVEN IF HE DOESN'T USE, HE SHOULD BE BANNED ON THE SPOT!!, NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!

You call MH serious accusation so TREAT is SERIOUSLY, don't let them "troll" around about it! BAN!

In most mmorpgs I was in the administration its the person who lied about his hack that has to explain himself to get unbanned. Any hacks are treated seriously as they ruin the game balance and bring HUGE loses for the server, as well as loses in players count!

What do u think is happening around here? A lot of good players left the server cos of MH, community pays!
They left because of MH or they just moved on dota 2? Think about it.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: jeandarc on June 11, 2014, 18:20
Sanus guy pls /f add jeandarc

We bestest friends now
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Sejanus on June 11, 2014, 18:32
jeandarc > added you to friends>>

=========================

ColdWar I don't know if you can read english, but I said CLEARLY "they left cos of MH".
Of course a lot of people left for DOTA 2 as well, but its not the case here!!!
Server has to stop losing the ones that have no patience for MHers.
Its not thousands but hundreds for sure!

So don't try to be smart! u just embarrass yourself!
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ilikedat on June 11, 2014, 18:35
@Sejanus dont take everyone here srly,especially JeanCarm
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Sejanus on June 11, 2014, 19:24
Who said I do my friend... You guys make really quick assumptions for everything;)
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ColdWorld on June 11, 2014, 20:42
1. Your english is broken as fuck.

2. I'm COLD FUCKING WORLD not COLD FUCKING WAR.

Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: jeandarc on June 11, 2014, 20:43
y, strong people in front of your pc
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Astaroth on June 11, 2014, 22:17
Banning ppl for saying "I use MH"? That is stupid. You can't ban anyone without clear proof.

I sometimes hit total random hooks or shadowrazes, they accuse me for MH and I confirm that - to make them mad and disturbed or annoyed - then they pay less attection and do more mistakes.
And you'd ban me for that?

Here, same as in real life, a man is considered innocent until proven guilty.

On the other had, twisting your logic a bit, I can use MH and seriously say I don't use it - mod then wouldn't have to check the replay and would make decision based on chat.

All this above - bullshit.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ColdWorld on June 11, 2014, 22:52
Banning ppl for saying "I use MH"? That is stupid. You can't ban anyone without clear proof.

I sometimes hit total random hooks or shadowrazes, they accuse me for MH and I confirm that - to make them mad and disturbed or annoyed - then they pay less attection and do more mistakes.
And you'd ban me for that?

Here, same as in real life, a man is considered innocent until proven guilty.

On the other had, twisting your logic a bit, I can use MH and seriously say I don't use it - mod then wouldn't have to check the replay and would make decision based on chat.

All this above - bullshit.
try to play on iccup and say on all chat " i have mh"
ez ban on forum and srv.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on June 11, 2014, 23:20
Why is this coldwar so angry, sheesh coldwar, you shouldn't be so angry coldwar.



Brilliant ideea sejanus, we had it all wrong. We shouldn't focus our attention on removing the actual cheaters, we should remove the players who just say they cheat as a joke, after some frustrated kiddo like yourself accuse them of cheating.

How did we miss this, simply brilliant. Give this guy a medal.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: iNevermore on June 12, 2014, 00:05
Give everyone a MH and start the war  ;D
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: jeandarc on June 12, 2014, 00:21
-1 karma to coldwar
+1 karma t anus guy

My job for tonight is done
Today was a good day

Jean, Love and Peace.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ColdWorld on June 12, 2014, 00:30
Why is this coldwar so angry, sheesh coldwar, you shouldn't be so angry coldwar.



Brilliant ideea sejanus, we had it all wrong. We shouldn't focus our attention on removing the actual cheaters, we should remove the players who just say they cheat as a joke, after some frustrated kiddo like yourself accuse them of cheating.

How did we miss this, simply brilliant. Give this guy a medal.
cold war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ahaafPJO_Y&feature=youtu.be

coldworld
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_World_%28EP%29

your mom
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVQqbYs3afSNhHgOSp99wU0PYHIyThvkYyDE-PJNR2ZuOQJVSO)


-1 karma, you noob


-1 karma to coldwar
+1 karma t anus guy

My job for tonight is done
Today was a good day

Jean, Love and Peace.

Thx <3
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 12, 2014, 00:44
The game I played recently there was a team of turks, speaking of mh half the game, ping whole game all over the fog(watch any minute of reply)> laughing at lag abuse staff>
I joined their channel later to investigate more > after google translate I found out that:
they were giving examples to each other of games where > they used MH - were reported and then LAG ABUSE staff explained it as skill> and did not BAN them!!

In this game here> same story> they even admit to mh to other "turks" from other team. and still
dont get banned> and then i am called the "naive" one.
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=154971.0#msg536289

Cos every fucking player in pubs is SO FUCKING skilled in your opinion, that they dont need MH. Good Luck cos it will never change if u dont OPEN your eyes!!!
Everybody want the maphack moderators to work faster, but noone want to help them a bit and check the replay, giving them the points of interest. You want them to check40-50 min replays without having any clue where to check since they were not in that game. Make proper ban/Mh requests, its not that hard. Or if you think it is easy, click on for example 10 mh requests, get the replays and try to find the clear maphack situations, without reading the times in the request. You will spend veeeeery long hours with it.

Say!
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Sejanus on June 12, 2014, 12:16
Banning ppl for saying "I use MH"? That is stupid. You can't ban anyone without clear proof.

I sometimes hit total random hooks or shadowrazes, they accuse me for MH and I confirm that - to make them mad and disturbed or annoyed - then they pay less attection and do more mistakes.
And you'd ban me for that?

Here, same as in real life, a man is considered innocent until proven guilty.

On the other had, twisting your logic a bit, I can use MH and seriously say I don't use it - mod then wouldn't have to check the replay and would make decision based on chat.

All this above - bullshit.

Yeah!! 3 days ban for admitting mh, people have to learn some manners, trolls go back to FOREST!

Nobody said in this post that RANDOM hook is MH my friend learn how to read.

In real life is not exactly the way you are saying, you can get away with almost anything, same here its not easy to prove anything, so mhers get away.

Trying to twist the logic makes no sense, and I don't c any point of your doing that at all!!

Brilliant ideea sejanus, we had it all wrong. We shouldn't focus our attention on removing the actual cheaters, we should remove the players who just say they cheat as a joke, after some frustrated kiddo like yourself accuse them of cheating.
How did we miss this, simply brilliant. Give this guy a medal.

Another smart ass, shame you have not a single idea so far yourself.
Its not removing cheaters its just a question of good taste, you may live in wild countries where troll walks the street, I don't.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ^St3x on June 12, 2014, 13:48
Banning ppl for saying "I use MH"? That is stupid. You can't ban anyone without clear proof.

I sometimes hit total random hooks or shadowrazes, they accuse me for MH and I confirm that - to make them mad and disturbed or annoyed - then they pay less attection and do more mistakes.
And you'd ban me for that?

Here, same as in real life, a man is considered innocent until proven guilty.

On the other had, twisting your logic a bit, I can use MH and seriously say I don't use it - mod then wouldn't have to check the replay and would make decision based on chat.

All this above - bullshit.

Yeah!! 3 days ban for admitting mh, people have to learn some manners, trolls go back to FOREST!

Nobody said in this post that RANDOM hook is MH my friend learn how to read.

In real life is not exactly the way you are saying, you can get away with almost anything, same here its not easy to prove anything, so mhers get away.

Trying to twist the logic makes no sense, and I don't c any point of your doing that at all!!

Brilliant ideea sejanus, we had it all wrong. We shouldn't focus our attention on removing the actual cheaters, we should remove the players who just say they cheat as a joke, after some frustrated kiddo like yourself accuse them of cheating.
How did we miss this, simply brilliant. Give this guy a medal.

Another smart ass, shame you have not a single idea so far yourself.
Its not removing cheaters its just a question of good taste, you may live in wild countries where troll walks the street, I don't.

who is this troll?
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Sejanus on June 12, 2014, 13:56
^St3x you have some mental issues or u re damaged as well>>> get a GRIP!
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Lagi on June 12, 2014, 14:58
This topic starting to became nonsense.
Btw sejanus i did a fast check on your games, you call someone a maphack user more then half of your games. You think you are always right, but i bet you never check the replays.
This is my personal favorite: http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=5502654 (http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=5502654)
Here you said at 0:52 game time that doom has maphack, while he did absolutely nothing at that point, and you were visible on the map for a second while you failed hiding at the trees. So as i see you dont need any kind of proof you can yell maphack even in the first min of the game for nonsense bullshit.
It worth that 5 minutes to check how ridiculous this situation is, which you actually call mh.


http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=5501804 (http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=5501804)
This is another nice situation, around min 33-35 replaytime. Mirana ported to your top lane with 1/4 hp to try pushing after they did some kills, you went behind him, and he kept pushing. If you reach him he is sure dead. Your reaction: 34:18    Sejanus    [Allies]    mira 100% mh
For fuckin what? srsly, he should go back ages ago but he kept pushing against witchdoc with 1/4 hp. You get closer, and he go back the exact way you come from, full frontal into you. he could go to right to avoid you, but he didnt know you coming, ran into you and die. 34:33       [All]    Sejanus killed VITEZ
Again you yelled omg it is maphack in absolutely clear situation, and you think you are always right.

I wrote these lines to show you, why the staff needs proof of maphack usage before ban. If they ban just because you think it is maphack usage, or just because they trolling on chat with it, more ppl will leave the community then because of the maphackers themselves. Also thats why they explain the situation if the request is denied, to let you know why it isnt enough for banning.
So check replays, post proper reports, with explanation, replay time etc, as it was written in the guide, and another important thing is to trust in their job. Im 100% sure they have more routin, and experience in maphack checking then for example you, after checking random situations when you yell mh in game.

cheers
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Sejanus on June 12, 2014, 20:10
Lagi just look in the mirror for once ok?
I can go have a look at your games and find milions of cases of your ridiculous behavior. Every1 does that life ain't perfect, and nobody is, you cant be serious with such comments, it just proves you are a sad little kid trying to play the "king".

In the moment of anger we say a lot of things, its normal for every1, my favourite quote is "fucking mher" and I use it not in 50% of the games, but in about 80%.

That is what you can irony, sarcasm, and bullshitting around! LEARN that!! You will need it more than you think!!

I will not even comment on the games/situations u mentioned, what kind of none sense would that be?

ps. could you please show me any MH report from me for that two games? NO!! and YOU WILL NOT FIND THEM!!! the reason is simple, but I will let u guess it for yourself, it would do great for your little brain.

Have a great day!
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Lagi on June 12, 2014, 20:29
Lagi just look in the mirror for once ok?
I can go have a look at your games and find milions of cases of your ridiculous behavior. Every1 does that life ain't perfect, and nobody is, you cant be serious with such comments, it just proves you are a sad little kid trying to play the "king".

In the moment of anger we say a lot of things, its normal for every1, my favourite quote is "fucking mher" and I use it not in 50% of the games, but in about 80%.

That is what you can irony, sarcasm, and bullshitting around! LEARN that!! You will need it more than you think!!

I will not even comment on the games/situations u mentioned, what kind of none sense would that be?

ps. could you please show me any MH report from me for that two games? NO!! and YOU WILL NOT FIND THEM!!! the reason is simple, but I will let u guess it for yourself, it would do great for your little brain.

Have a great day!

Ok make it clear since we are far away from your original post.

The game I played recently there was a team of turks, speaking of mh half the game, ping whole game all over the fog(watch any minute of reply)> laughing at lag abuse staff>
I joined their channel later to investigate more > after google translate I found out that:
they were giving examples to each other of games where > they used MH - were reported and then LAG ABUSE staff explained it as skill> and did not BAN them!!

In this game here> same story> they even admit to mh to other "turks" from other team. and still
dont get banned> and then i am called the "naive" one.
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?topic=154971.0#msg536289

Cos every fucking player in pubs is SO FUCKING skilled in your opinion, that they dont need MH. Good Luck cos it will never change if u dont OPEN your eyes!!!

Facts: your reports have been denied, you are not satisfied with it, cause you are sure they have mh, but as we could see you think everybody has mh. You are on rage, and coming here to blame the decision. I tried to explain why were them denied, but you just cant get it. End of story, dont reply on it is useless to continue this imho.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: LexMonster on June 12, 2014, 21:05
When noob gets raped, he cries that enemy team has MH, classic.

Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Astaroth on June 12, 2014, 22:40
Banning ppl for saying "I use MH"? That is stupid. You can't ban anyone without clear proof.

I sometimes hit total random hooks or shadowrazes, they accuse me for MH and I confirm that - to make them mad and disturbed or annoyed - then they pay less attection and do more mistakes.
And you'd ban me for that?

Here, same as in real life, a man is considered innocent until proven guilty.

On the other had, twisting your logic a bit, I can use MH and seriously say I don't use it - mod then wouldn't have to check the replay and would make decision based on chat.

All this above - bullshit.

Yeah!! 3 days ban for admitting mh, people have to learn some manners, trolls go back to FOREST!

Nobody said in this post that RANDOM hook is MH my friend learn how to read.

In real life is not exactly the way you are saying, you can get away with almost anything, same here its not easy to prove anything, so mhers get away.

Trying to twist the logic makes no sense, and I don't c any point of your doing that at all!!
1) I neither said that random hook means a player is using MH.
I don't know how did you came to that statement, all I can say is the same what you've said - learn how to read.

2) About real life thing, didn't I say the same as you? You are considered innocent until proven guilty. In other words, you can get away with anything, even murder, until there are strong proofs that you've commited that crime.
Presumption of innocence.

3) As I said, it is all bullshit. You can not make decent decision based on chat log (in case of MH) - it doesn't matter if you are saying that you use MH even if you don't or if you are saying that you don't use MH even if you do.

In the moment of anger we say a lot of things, its normal for every1, my favourite quote is "fucking mher" and I use it not in 50% of the games, but in about 80%.

That is what you can irony, sarcasm, and bullshitting around! LEARN that!! You will need it more than you think!!
1) Moments of anger. You can check any of my games, I've never been banned nor reported (or I don't know about that). So please don't talk about behaviour.

2) I don't know about laws in your country but here in CZ if you accuse someone for breaking the law (wrong incrimination ofc) he can judge you for slander and offence - and you may be punished.
Then everyone, whose ban request or MH report is denied could be punished.

I love the following:
Quote
...my favourite quote is "fucking mher" and I use it not in 50% of the games, but in about 80%.
That is what you can irony, sarcasm, and bullshitting around! LEARN that!! You will need it more than you think!!
That is EXACTLY what I do when I say I use MH even if I don't. Sarcasm, irony, bullshitting around.
If you'd ban me for what I do, you should also ban yourself for what you do.
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: CoMMoN1337 on June 12, 2014, 22:53
Banning ppl for saying "I use MH"? That is stupid. You can't ban anyone without clear proof.

I sometimes hit total random hooks or shadowrazes, they accuse me for MH and I confirm that - to make them mad and disturbed or annoyed - then they pay less attection and do more mistakes.
And you'd ban me for that?

Here, same as in real life, a man is considered innocent until proven guilty.

On the other had, twisting your logic a bit, I can use MH and seriously say I don't use it - mod then wouldn't have to check the replay and would make decision based on chat.

All this above - bullshit.

Yeah!! 3 days ban for admitting mh, people have to learn some manners, trolls go back to FOREST!

Nobody said in this post that RANDOM hook is MH my friend learn how to read.

In real life is not exactly the way you are saying, you can get away with almost anything, same here its not easy to prove anything, so mhers get away.

Trying to twist the logic makes no sense, and I don't c any point of your doing that at all!!
1) I neither said that random hook means a player is using MH.
I don't know how did you came to that statement, all I can say is the same what you've said - learn how to read.

2) About real life thing, didn't I say the same as you? You are considered innocent until proven guilty. In other words, you can get away with anything, even murder, until there are strong proofs that you've commited that crime.
Presumption of innocence.

3) As I said, it is all bullshit. You can not make decent decision based on chat log (in case of MH) - it doesn't matter if you are saying that you use MH even if you don't or if you are saying that you don't use MH even if you do.

In the moment of anger we say a lot of things, its normal for every1, my favourite quote is "fucking mher" and I use it not in 50% of the games, but in about 80%.

That is what you can irony, sarcasm, and bullshitting around! LEARN that!! You will need it more than you think!!
1) Moments of anger. You can check any of my games, I've never been banned nor reported (or I don't know about that). So please don't talk about behaviour.

2) I don't know about laws in your country but here in CZ if you accuse someone for breaking the law (wrong incrimination ofc) he can judge you for slander and offence - and you may be punished.
Then everyone, whose ban request or MH report is denied could be punished.

I love the following:
Quote
...my favourite quote is "fucking mher" and I use it not in 50% of the games, but in about 80%.
That is what you can irony, sarcasm, and bullshitting around! LEARN that!! You will need it more than you think!!
That is EXACTLY what I do when I say I use MH even if I don't. Sarcasm, irony, bullshitting around.
If you'd ban me for what I do, you should also ban yourself for what you do.
Ey asty, no matter how much you try, this guy will never get it. Some "people" just don't get it. You can tell he is one of those people, from his earlier posts. Don't bother.
Brilliant ideea sejanus, we had it all wrong. We shouldn't focus our attention on removing the actual cheaters, we should remove the players who just say they cheat as a joke, after some frustrated kiddo like yourself accuse them of cheating.
How did we miss this, simply brilliant. Give this guy a medal.
Another smart ass, shame you have not a single idea so far yourself.
Its not removing cheaters its just a question of good taste, you may live in wild countries where troll walks the street, I don't.
Everything you said, makes no sense whatsoever. A question of good taste ? Wild countries ? Troll walks on street ? You don't ?
...
What ?
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: ilikedat on June 13, 2014, 00:44
dis comy iz king of quotes and spoilers  ::)
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: Sejanus on June 13, 2014, 13:58
When noob gets raped, he cries that enemy team has MH, classic.

= another troll with out of context two word to play "the king" of dota. congratulations>

That is EXACTLY what I do when I say I use MH even if I don't. Sarcasm, irony, bullshitting around.
If you'd ban me for what I do, you should also ban yourself for what you do.

There is a difference in sarcasm and "trolling". Trolls BACK TO THE FOREST!!

Everything you said, makes no sense whatsoever. A question of good taste ? Wild countries ? Troll walks on street ? You don't ?

Somehow it does not suprise me that this does not make any sense to you! And I believe you will never get it!
Title: Re: This is map hack server
Post by: LexMonster on June 13, 2014, 19:05
We are all trolls, and we will all go to the forest, and everyone who rapes your little ass in DotA has MH. I really dont know how we didnt realize this earlier. Shame on trolls.

!Locked