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Title: Hack or not ?
Post by: Melissa on June 04, 2011, 01:19
Today i found a tool wich shows you how fast your hero hp-reg./mana-reg. / attackspeed / movespeed is

here a small screenshot


(http://playdota.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63158.0;attach=4135;image)


so is this tool here allowed ?
imo. it should be allowed because it shows you only the regs / speed ( =no hack imo )

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Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: DoctaSpock on June 04, 2011, 01:51
Imo no hack.I think it should be allowed.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: BrownTygeR on June 04, 2011, 09:40
No hack imo if it only shows regs'.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: kingW3 on June 04, 2011, 09:53
advanced too like warkeys can help you in battle
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: Jingle^Balls on June 04, 2011, 10:22
Can u PM link of that tool?
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: yaphets_ on June 04, 2011, 10:58
DL link?  need to dl it :)
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: Melissa on June 04, 2011, 11:48
i ll give you it when a admin tell me if its allowed or not :)I
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: mrNiceguy on June 04, 2011, 11:50
Anything that gives you advantage (big advantage) vs your enemies is considered as hack.

I personnaly consider all this things as hack: dota keys, warkeys, mana bars, and cause of that, ME PERSONALLY consider this thing as hack too.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: LexMonster on June 04, 2011, 12:03
Anything that gives you advantage (big advantage) vs your enemies is considered as hack.

I personnaly consider all this things as hack: dota keys, warkeys, mana bars, and cause of that, ME PERSONALLY consider this thing as hack too.
Agreed! + He has 1 more "hack", the one for spells cooldown ;)
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: DoctaSpock on June 04, 2011, 12:13
Anything that gives you advantage (big advantage) vs your enemies is considered as hack.

I personnaly consider all this things as hack: dota keys, warkeys, mana bars, and cause of that, ME PERSONALLY consider this thing as hack too.

They are not hacks imho.Dota keys,warkeys,all that is allowed on any dota tournaments.
Why would blizzard add a special option in wc3 for customkeys if it was "illegal"?? and if blizzard has no problem with it who else would forbid it?noone would forbid something that the creater of the game aproves.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: yaphets_ on June 04, 2011, 12:16
Some Platforms like RGC consider MAna bar as a hack :/ don't know why plus i Agree with docta it's not illegal..
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: Melissa on June 04, 2011, 12:26
everyone has his own opinion but about this "hack"

i dont see the advantage for playing in this hack :/. but lets wai for admins :)
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: DoctaSpock on June 04, 2011, 12:31

i dont see the advantage for playing in this hack

Agree.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: Alucardo on June 04, 2011, 12:34
Anything that gives you advantage (big advantage) vs your enemies is considered as hack.

I personnaly consider all this things as hack: dota keys, warkeys, mana bars, and cause of that, ME PERSONALLY consider this thing as hack too.
+1
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: DoctaSpock on June 04, 2011, 12:39
Anything that gives you advantage (big advantage) vs your enemies is considered as hack.

I personnaly consider all this things as hack: dota keys, warkeys, mana bars, and cause of that, ME PERSONALLY consider this thing as hack too.
+1

But enemies can also use that things and then there is no advantage.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: Astaroth on June 04, 2011, 13:11
Warkeys etc are not hack or illegal because it is W3 function. You check a box in settings and than change hotkeys.

Mana bars aren't hack because it shows you accessible info. You can select enemy so you will see his mana, this just saves you 1 click. It is nearly the same as healt bar.

If something shows your AS, MS or regeneration it isn't hack. These info are accessible for you. You just need to type -ms or do some maths. This just saves you some time.

So my opinion is that anything that shows you accessible informations it is not hack.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: Sauzer on June 04, 2011, 14:24
My opinion : no hack withouth any doubts

Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: Alucardo on June 04, 2011, 14:31
Anything that gives you advantage (big advantage) vs your enemies is considered as hack.

I personnaly consider all this things as hack: dota keys, warkeys, mana bars, and cause of that, ME PERSONALLY consider this thing as hack too.
+1

But enemies can also use that things and then there is no advantage.
ok so lets all use mh and then there is no advantage
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: mrNiceguy on June 04, 2011, 14:40
Warkeys etc are not hack or illegal because it is W3 function. You check a box in settings and than change hotkeys.

Mana bars aren't hack because it shows you accessible info. You can select enemy so you will see his mana, this just saves you 1 click. It is nearly the same as healt bar.

If something shows your AS, MS or regeneration it isn't hack. These info are accessible for you. You just need to type -ms or do some maths. This just saves you some time.

So my opinion is that anything that shows you accessible informations it is not hack.

Ye, and MH is also not hack, you can click anywhere on the map on enemy hero and you can see how much hp he have and you can gank him whenever u want.

I mean lol.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: DoctaSpock on June 04, 2011, 15:20
Warkeys etc are not hack or illegal because it is W3 function. You check a box in settings and than change hotkeys.

Mana bars aren't hack because it shows you accessible info. You can select enemy so you will see his mana, this just saves you 1 click. It is nearly the same as healt bar.

If something shows your AS, MS or regeneration it isn't hack. These info are accessible for you. You just need to type -ms or do some maths. This just saves you some time.

So my opinion is that anything that shows you accessible informations it is not hack.

Ye, and MH is also not hack, you can click anywhere on the map on enemy hero and you can see how much hp he have and you can gank him whenever u want.

I mean lol.

Mng pls read my reply to you and tell me why would you call this hack? o.O
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: Angel on June 04, 2011, 15:24
Warkeys etc are not hack or illegal because it is W3 function. You check a box in settings and than change hotkeys.

Mana bars aren't hack because it shows you accessible info. You can select enemy so you will see his mana, this just saves you 1 click. It is nearly the same as healt bar.

If something shows your AS, MS or regeneration it isn't hack. These info are accessible for you. You just need to type -ms or do some maths. This just saves you some time.

So my opinion is that anything that shows you accessible informations it is not hack.

Ye, and MH is also not hack, you can click anywhere on the map on enemy hero and you can see how much hp he have and you can gank him whenever u want.

I mean lol.

Docta says: But enemies can also use that things and then there is no advantage.

So enemies can use MH and you can and then its not forbidden? xD
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: DoctaSpock on June 04, 2011, 15:30
Not that reply and I wasn't talking anout MH,coz we all now MH is hack,I mean,even it's name says so.I was talking about this:



They are not hacks imho.Dota keys,warkeys,all that is allowed on any dota tournaments.
Why would blizzard add a special option in wc3 for customkeys if it was "illegal"?? and if blizzard has no problem with it who else would forbid it?noone would forbid something that the creater of the game aproves.


And how can mana bar be hack?Than health bar should be hack also.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: dolmel on June 04, 2011, 16:00
Every 3rd party program is considered as a hack. Excluding warkeys which have been approved by vast majority of the dota community.

Regards
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: Astaroth on June 04, 2011, 16:18
Warkeys etc are not hack or illegal because it is W3 function. You check a box in settings and than change hotkeys.

Mana bars aren't hack because it shows you accessible info. You can select enemy so you will see his mana, this just saves you 1 click. It is nearly the same as healt bar.

If something shows your AS, MS or regeneration it isn't hack. These info are accessible for you. You just need to type -ms or do some maths. This just saves you some time.

So my opinion is that anything that shows you accessible informations it is not hack.

Ye, and MH is also not hack, you can click anywhere on the map on enemy hero and you can see how much hp he have and you can gank him whenever u want.

I mean lol.
I said it shows you accessible information. Hero who is in fog can't give you any info about himself because you can't see him so this info isn't accessible so no program (mana bars etc) can't help you get any info about him.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: End on June 04, 2011, 16:29
I think it's very cool and that it shouldn't be considered as hack, because it's very useful but not quite helpful. I mean even if you know how much you regenerate per sec, how is that advantage?
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: Astaroth on June 04, 2011, 16:33
I think it's very cool and that it shouldn't be considered as hack, because it's very useful but not quite helpful. I mean even if you know how much you regenerate per sec, how is that advantage?
Maybe you can do some math - is better (quicker) to get to fountain and back or is better to wait some time in forest? As I said, this is not hack.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: mrNiceguy on June 04, 2011, 16:35
Every 3rd party program is considered as a hack. Excluding warkeys which have been approved by vast majority of the dota community.

Regards

This docta.

And btw I was sarcastic about that post docta as you can see its not your post. And as I said "for me personnaly anything that gives you advance in dota is hack".
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: DoctaSpock on June 04, 2011, 22:58
I know but,I don't think this is hack,coz I dont see really how is this adventage coz u know how many hp u regenerate per second.It is not such a big deal.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: mrNiceguy on June 05, 2011, 01:03
??

tell me why is not that implented into a dota map then?
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: X-PLODE on June 05, 2011, 01:27
it's a hack cos it's a stripped dll from dreamdota injected into w3.

but i'll take it if it doesn't crash.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: Natura Sonoris on June 05, 2011, 02:16
Imo its not a hack.

There will be always some add ons ,like in wow or other games ,which help you,and it wont give you major advantage.

Map hack give you advantage because you evade something , or ganks someone .
This just gives you some info about your hero. If it works also on enemy heroes ,it is hack.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: [maMa]dr4z4 on June 05, 2011, 03:07
You can use it on xpam it isnt bannable but on tournaments its forbiden, like dotakeyz or some other addons. Although i cant see any use of this shity thing....
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: joyjoy on June 05, 2011, 04:27
thats how I see it...
customkeys.txt isnt hack cause blizzard itself implemented it in war3, if you use it or not its just your playstyle or stand
warkeys are allowed its not hack  they does the same what customkeys does and many pro dota players around the world are using it, read sometimes rules of some big tournament or challenge, there is condition that on computers for teams are allowed just war3 installed and max. warkey program, anything else is not allowed ;)
and manabars its arguable but imo its just ok cause its like HP bars and blizzard implemented it in war3 then, and even its not in war3 its showing just things you already know and overall it doesnt show exact numbers just graphic % of HP or mana value if you wanted to know how many HP or mana hero got you still have to click on it, so its not hack
other stuff is hack as said above - they give you informations which normal game cant give you like units in fog w/o wards, invisible units w/o detection items and so on, or cheating apps...
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: mrNiceguy on June 05, 2011, 11:14
Look, blizzard cored only customkeys and hp bars. anything else beside that is hack. It is for me at least as I said before, I play only with hp bars, I m not using custom keys, nor dota keys, nor anything that would help me to play on that way, why? cause I like to rage when I miss the schortcut button thats why. <-- old school
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: tardlordnumberone on June 05, 2011, 11:37
cause I like to rage when I miss the schortcut button thats why. <-- old school

it must be funny, but your fingers must suffer especially when u play some all cast hero. http://www.drjones.dk/customkeys/generator.php (http://www.drjones.dk/customkeys/generator.php) easiest way how to protect your hand... simply easy. u can miss the shortcut too but they will be only in line. if u once try it u ll never want to go back to the chaos. i remember zeus fast casting c,v,g or c,x,g + a as attack (i just tried to put my fingers to these letters - sheesh). fortunately it is past time.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: End on June 05, 2011, 12:26
Look, blizzard cored only customkeys and hp bars. anything else beside that is hack. It is for me at least as I said before, I play only with hp bars, I m not using custom keys, nor dota keys, nor anything that would help me to play on that way, why? cause I like to rage when I miss the schortcut button thats why. <-- old school

I don't use custom keys either, but I played HoN for a while and there all spells are with Q W E R, no matter what hero do you pick. And that's what I liked the most in that game, I think DotA should make that too.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: Domagoj on June 05, 2011, 12:30
Imo dotakeys is very useful because it takes the gameplay to another level, and everyone who is into dota should have it; without dotakeys, or warkeys, or however you want to call them, you cannot function properly with a hero that has 4 spells and say 3-4 active abilities in the inventory. As for this tool, i find it completely useless.. Why would i need something that shows me how much do i regenerate? This can be determined very easily..
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: kingW3 on June 05, 2011, 12:37
agree whit domagoj it should be allowed because it don't gives you advantage only for uber pro players.About warkeys i only use it for inventory
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: [maMa]dr4z4 on June 05, 2011, 13:46
Imo dotakeys is very useful because it takes the gameplay to another level, and everyone who is into dota should have it; without dotakeys, or warkeys, or however you want to call them, you cannot function properly with a hero that has 4 spells and say 3-4 active abilities in the inventory. As for this tool, i find it completely useless.. Why would i need something that shows me how much do i regenerate? This can be determined very easily..
I wanted to say this noob program is useless not dotakeys, i use dotakeys too like 90% ppl on xpam.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: mrNiceguy on June 05, 2011, 13:54
Ye and still i beat you sometimes dr4z4 alltho I am not using any kind of help.

:D you noob draza.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: [maMa]dr4z4 on June 05, 2011, 14:18
FUFUFU u njamb u! :D
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: ¶ÑÇƦ€Ƿ¦ßŁΞ on June 05, 2011, 14:52
Hack whit no doubts.
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: AlterLight on June 06, 2011, 14:06
No hax imo
Title: Re: Hack or not ?
Post by: Melissa on June 08, 2011, 21:20
allowed yes / no ?

if allowed i would share it with you all :P