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General Section => General Discussions => Topic started by: Happy.. on June 13, 2020, 11:59
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I'm fairly sure the ruining player should be votekicked after his team votes him out. I'm not seeing how the opponents' votes have any say in this.
So instead of having 9/10 rule to kick someone out, modify it to 4/4 teamvote rule.
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Support this idea...
But this has been mentioned in the past and each time was turned down with reason: " that there is a chance of unjustified kick pro player from that team in the event he is so good that he knows better to play than rest of his allies" in which I'm not arguing the point, but the chance of this to happen... most of the times its the case of enemies not wanting to kick this ruiner as they get free farm/feed on him.
For those coming with explanation of "that we can ban that ruiner after game" well, whats gonna happen? he will relog onto another acc and gets away with it, further more that game has been already ruined & time wasted for another 4 ppl due to "protection" of 1 idiot...
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What about 4 from own team + 2 from opposite as enough. 6/9
As there is always 2-3 abusers that will never vote.
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wonder why opposite team needs to have anything to say when it comes to kicking ruiner from the other team, surely that should have been solely 1 team decision... its like asking opponents ,in any other team based sport (like football, hockey, etc..) if they wanna make a call who they are gonna to play against.
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Lets first see if this is possible [regarding Coding] , then lets work from there.
I will consult with proper people and get back with a reply to discuss.
`Imo, support the idea that the votekick should be done by the Allied team.
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Goodbye deering
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Intresting idea. I think there is the point.
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I support, enemy team often dont kick ruiner and if own team abuse kick can just ban all like usual except this time there is less chance to mistake since own team knows better who ruins or who not
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Goodbye deering
They can not resist our deering.
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Marask is absolutely right
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Marask is absolutely right
:DDD +1 agree with you
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after this for sure there will be more unfair kicks cuz players are selfish but still its something to be taken under consideration
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after this for sure there will be more unfair kicks cuz players are selfish but still its something to be taken under consideration
This is why 6/9 4+2 only way forward.
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after this for sure there will be more unfair kicks cuz players are selfish but still its something to be taken under consideration
This is why 6/9 4+2 only way forward.
Almost 69 and 420 in same message, le mao
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after this for sure there will be more unfair kicks cuz players are selfish but still its something to be taken under consideration
This is why 6/9 4+2 only way forward.
Almost 69 and 420 in same message, le mao
69 is defo the way forward😂🤣
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This is why 6/9 4+2 only way forward.
Sure thing
take the first 6
take 9 and rotate it = 6
4+2= 6
666, sejanus is the satan confirmed
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This is why 6/9 4+2 only way forward.
Sure thing
take the first 6
take 9 and rotate it = 6
4+2= 6
666, sejanus is the satan confirmed
(https://media.giphy.com/media/APqEbxBsVlkWSuFpth/giphy.gif)
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This is why 6/9 4+2 only way forward.
Sure thing
take the first 6
take 9 and rotate it = 6
4+2= 6
666, sejanus is the satan confirmed
Ave Satan
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changing votekick system will results more abuse from a hole players
you can get kicked 1 second before the end of the game
why dont you change lobby system also ...make it start 4vs4 or 3vs3 or 4vs5....
you can also cancel pub games ...only stacked games allowed
this will be ugly
changeing votekick system will not fix the whole system fractures .....it will make it worse ...it even might collapse >:(
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its overall bad idea because team is emotional about who to kick. Just think about it when you kill a person 3-4 times mid they will try to kick him and game will be 4v5 just because he had bad lane
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I've always been against the votekick system, the only time the votekick command should be used is if one of the players runs down mid and purposefully feeds the enemy and/or destroys his items.
The votekick command has been abused many times where people have been kicked and banned for "not defending the base" or "not joining a teamfight" when he's playing a carry such as AM/Spectre/Alch that need farm to actually be useful. Hell, I've even seen ppl go mad at mid alch for not "ganking" min 10 and instead farming woods, which he's actually supposed to do.
Many people have been votekicked and banned for "not defending the base" when the enemy is pushing t3 tower when he's pushing the sidelanes and keeping a tp ready in case he can help. A good carry will also detect when he can't be useful in a teamfight and instead push enemy sidelanes to force the enemy to stop pushing t3 towers and make them tp back to defend their base, carries like that shouldn't be votekicked and banned.
The sad part is that the majority of the people here who are bad at dota consider farming early to mid game as a "game ruin" and will start flaming and votekicking you if you don't group up like retards from min 10, when instead you can farm and push the lanes and increase your networth and exp gain.
What I'm suggesting is:
1. The only time ppl should votekick someone is if he purposefully feeds the enemy and/or destroys his items.
2. If people agree with my 1. Rule then the votekick can be done by 4 people because the enemy might not want to get him kicked.
3. The enemy team won't get banned if they don't votekick because most of the time they don't even know why ppl are starting a votekick. I can start a votekick on Player01 and say he's "refusing" to play and ppl can get banned for not votekicking him, even though Player01 could be farming and doing what he's supposed to do, according to the current rules.
If people agree with what I just said then back it up and inform your friends if they agree with something like this. There are other famous mobas who have similar rules, but I'm not sure if ppl here would like something like this, so yeah.
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The votekick command has been abused many times where people have been kicked and banned for "not defending the base" or "not joining a teamfight" when he's playing a carry such as AM/Spectre/Alch that need farm to actually be useful. Hell, I've even seen ppl go mad at mid alch for not "ganking" min 10 and instead farming woods, which he's actually supposed to do.
It's a team game, he can farm when there is no need to defend, and in most cases they don't defend on purpose being angry at the team, and later saying that bullshit "I was a carry I needed a farm I didn't game ruin", while in reality they farmed out of anger not out of need.
A good carry will also detect when he can't be useful in a teamfight and instead push enemy sidelanes to force the enemy to stop pushing t3 towers and make them tp back to defend their base, carries like that shouldn't be votekicked and banned.
You mean solo carry, who once again likes to play alone, push alone, and come back to def only to not get banned, otherwise wouldn't even teleport back.
There are 2 perspectives to both scenarios,
but indeed I agree with you that when its a counter push, and distraction it does work, did this on my fav weaver many times, pushed sides quick when enemies where distracted.
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1) We all know 9/10 votes it's too high( so high, it rarely happens even in obvious feed + item destroy games)
2) only 4 ally votekick can be abused (seend it happen a lot .. mad kidz or 4 stacking)
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You draw a line and u get 4 ally + 2 enemy seems the best choice. OR not really BEST .. but still better than the 2 options presented in the poll.
Yes. It can be coded. No need to check that .. :boy:
To be fair, if games are meant to be balanced and good quality, kicking a feeder/antigamer won't/shouldn't win you the game. If you win a game after kicking the feeder, that makes the game imbalanced from the start .. (debate)
So this all discussion is w/o purpose, since the only solution would be removing the votekick all together.
From my perspective:
1) remove votekick
2) play the games as they are, if someone is antigaming (report , ban) and take the loss .. shit happens
Removing votekick should enforce users to report more antigamers/feeders etc. So moving the "justice" factor from their own hands to moderator's. Which should be overall better.
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Currently in force is 7/10 votes. Meaning 4 ally + 3 enemy. So this is all pouring from the hollow into the empty...
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Currently in force is 7/10 votes. Meaning 4 ally + 3 enemy. So this is all pouring from the hollow into the empty...
I see alot of people saying 9/10, waited 2 days to see if anyone actually know how much is required.
About everything else, it is a Public league , and as such it has to be generalized.
If you think advanced tactics apply to a 1300 ranked player from Brasil [example] make sense, then you missed out on the point, point of the Rule [Refusing to Play] is to be applied to the Majority of the player base , not the 10-20% who are present on forum, skilled in DotA and active in communicating. This is the reason why Community leaders must be active players and why previous staff made so many mistakes [deleted the Game 5 Years ago but continued to lead a DotA community]. Etc
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Idk. I stopped playing here. :boy:
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Idk. I stopped playing here. :boy:
why
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Idk. I stopped playing here. :boy:
why
Because he moved to other server, and thats why i edited his post.
And the reason why is not related to the Votekick command
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Idk, sometimes can be useful to listen to who isnt playing on server, maybe they give reason why they stopped and we can fix it. But ofc who dont play here shouldnt decide for others.
Generally big problem is that forum population doesnt represent the league population. I think about 60% players dont visit forum at all and 30-35% only visit to post request. Who sit on forum often dont even play here anymore, just come to talk
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I think rules should be more clear because many problems come from people dont understanding them.
Example what can be change:
8. Player must not abuse bot commands:
All this section is about votekick command, maybe better to rename it to "Votekick rules" or something and list all related rules there? So its all in 1 place and maybe make them more simple like
You are allowed to votekick when
- player ruins game (section 7)
- player starts the votekick himself
- etc
You arent allowed to votekick when
- player doesnt break any rules
You MUST votekick when
- player ruins game (section 7)
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well Votekick is a bot command afterall
And about the Votekick , if someone is Ruining the Game ,Feeding or Refusing to play with the Team ,AFK. You are allowed to votekick him.
If the Votekick was injustified , then the players will get banned , and this carefully next time before kicking someone from a Public game.
And i know what you and Jean today mean , i understand the Point.
But it is afteall a Public League , with alot of different people, they will make mistakes , for example , think that something is game ruin [example *Mort farming ,instead of roaming the Map randomly with 2 other people trying to get a kill] , but that is exactly why Staff is valued so much. At the end of the day , it is a public league with Raw rules that somewhat target the majority.
For more advanced tactics , specific rules [for people who actually understand what is going on and why],i suggest to wait until the Safelist project is finished , and Higher league rebooted, then those Advanced insights can be used.