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Title: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 08, 2020, 03:10
Last update with giving !pub to dota7 is done in favor for about 1/3 of community population. Dota6.9 map has over 65% games and Dota7 map less than 35%. Lagabuse favoritism to Dota7 is giving advantage and making it harder for Dota6.9 when creating the game. Example is making game remake and missing to use huge L so it is hosted Dota7 which mean Host need to unhost and create the game again while losing players. Dota6.9 and Dota7 is not the same game, Dota7 is like Dota2, while Dota6.9 is classic dota1 game and the only same thing used in both are heroes and building names, neutrals names, skills names and similar stuff.

Few ideas to solve this for next/new season:
1. Separate completely Dota6.9 and Dota7 - separate Ladder, let bot to calculate stats in one database for Dota6.9 and in second for Dota2
2. Like it is done with custom maps, make for Dota6.9 and Dota2 separated channels and separated league.
In past it was PD.eu , then Lagabuse.com and now is la-dota, make lagabuse.com or just /w lagabuse for 1 game and la-dota for another. Custom games can have /w custom or /w customgame.
Legacy is usually used for low movies and tv shows, bad new games/remaster and similar. Dota6.9 is not a bad game and 6.9 is the best dota1 version ever created so far and it is offensive for game to get down to the list while its better and favored by majority of players. Administration took too seriously activities from trash talkers about how Dota7 is more popular with which statistics definitely will not agree with.
We are all equal as players, if all above is not possible then give to Dota6.9 !pubc (classic) or !pubo (old) and to Dota7 !pubn (new) or !pub7.
When using !lobbies command or when entering to check all games it is always 3-4 Dota1 6.9map and 1-max2 Dota7 7.0map. Dota 7 have more games only in late night/early morning period after 02h. Entire day is reserved for majority of Dota1 6.9 map players.

Now Statistics, it is important to mention how many players do not know how to host and this switch and unfair favoritism bring only confusion to players and most from that group like more classic dota1 6.9 map.

Each day ends in early morning when last games are played.

- Before !pub switch, screenshots not taken:
Dota6.9 games played just before switch, every page has 30 games in total on 5 pages 150 games:
18/30
19/30
17/30
17/30
25/30

18+19+17+17+28 = 96/150 Dota1 games and 54/150 Dota7 games


- Day1:

Dota6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 5 pages 150 games. Draw games info is added next to number of games in format Dota6.9/Dota7:
21/30     Draws:  3/1
18/30                 1/1
19/30                 3/2
18/30                 1/2
19/30                 3/0

Draws: Dota6.9 = 11 draws and Dota7 = 6 draws
21+18+19+18+19 = 95/150 Dota6.9 games and 55/150 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 - draw = 95 - 11 = 84 games
Dota7 - draw = 55 - 6 = 49 games



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- Day2 part1:

Dota6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 4 pages 120 games. Draw games info is added next to number of games in format Dota6.9/Dota7:
13/26     Draws:  1/3
18/30                 4/6
17/30                 0/2
19/30                 4/2

Draws: Dota6.9 = 9 draws and Dota7 = 13 draws
13+18+17+19= 67/120 Dota6.9 games and 53/120 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 - draw = 67 - 9 = 58 games
Dota7 - draw = 53 - 13 = 40 games


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- Day2 part2:

Dota6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 3 pages 77 games. Draw games info is added next to number of games in format Dota6.9/Dota7:
10/17     Draws:  1/0
16/30                 0/3
16/30                 1/0

Draws: Dota6.9 = 2 draws and Dota7 = 3 draws
10+16+16=42/77 Dota6.9 games and 35/77 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 - draw = 42 - 2 = 40 games
Dota7 - draw = 35 - 3 = 32 games


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- Day3:

Dota6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 5 pages 140 games.  Draw games info is added next to number of games in format Dota6.9/Dota7:
18/30     Draws: 0/1
17/30                 1/1
19/30                 1/1
14/30                 0/2
11/20                 1/3

Draws: Dota6.9 = 3 draws and Dota7 = 8 draws
18+17+19+14+11 = 79/140 Dota6.9 games and 61/140 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 - draw = 79 - 3 = 76  games
Dota7 - draw = 61 - 8 = 53 games

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- Day4:

Dota6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 5 pages 152 games. Draw games info is added next to number of games in format Dota6.9/Dota7:
18/30     Draws: 1/0
20/30                 2/1
17/30                 1/3
17/30                 0/7
16/30                 1/5
0/2            - already calculated 2 draws for Dota7 as removed from total of 4 games, so 2 games for Dota7

Draws: Excluding 2 from the last page, Dota6.9 = 5 and Dota7 = 16 draws
18+20+17+17+16+0= 88/152 Dota6.9 games and 64/152 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 - draw = 88 - 5 = 83 games
Dota7 - draw = 64 - 16 = 48 games


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- Day5:

Dota6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 5 pages 146 games.  Draw games info is added next to number of games in format Dota6.9/Dota7:
19/30     Draws:  2/1
18/30                 0/2
18/30                 1/1
17/30                 4/3
18/26                 1/2

Draws: Dota6.9 = 8 draws and Dota7 = 9 draws
19+18+18+17+18 = 90/146 Dota6.9 games and 56/146 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 - draw = 90 - 8 = 82 games
Dota7 - draw = 56 - 9 = 45 games


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- Day6:

Dota1 6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 6 pages 153 games.  Draw games info is added next to number of games in format Dota6.9/Dota7:
19/30     Draws:  1/1
17/30                 1/2
18/30                 2/1
16/30                 1/1
20/30                 2/4
01/03                 0/0

Draws: Dota6.9 = x draws and Dota7 = x draws
19+17+18+16+20+1 = 91/153 Dota6.9 games and 62/153 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 7 =  84 games
Dota7 - draw = 62 - 9 = 53 games


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- Day7:

Dota1 6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 5 pages 150 games.  Draw games info is added next to number of games in format Dota6.9/Dota7:
15/30     Draws:  1/1
19/30                 0/1
23/30                 2/0
16/30                 2/2
18/30                 0/2

Draws: Dota6.9 = 5 draws and Dota7 = 6 draws
15+19+23+16+18 = 91/150 Dota6.9 games and 59/150 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 5 = 86 games
Dota7 - draw = 59 - 6 = 53 games


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- to1000:

Dota1 6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 2 pages 40 games.  Draw games info is added next to number of games in format Dota6.9/Dota7:
07/12     Draws:  0/1
15/28                 2/3


Draws: Dota6.9 = 2 draws and Dota7 = 4 draws
07+15 = 22/40 Dota6.9 games and 18/40 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 - draw = 22 - 2 = 20 games
Dota7 - draw = 18 - 4 = 14 games


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For confused fellas who ask what is Dota7:
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ALL GAMES CALCULATED IN THE LAST 7 DAYS SINCE DEFAULT MAP CHANGE
AND AFTER ADVANTAGE  HAS BEEN GIVEN TO MINORITY MAP Dota7
to1000 are taken games from day8 for total of 1000games played statistic.

- Day1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 95 - 11 = 84 games
Dota7 - draw = 55 - 6 = 49 games

- Day2 part1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 67 - 9 = 58 games
Dota7 - draw = 53 - 13 = 40 games
- Day2 part2:
Dota6.9 - draw = 42 - 2 = 40 games
Dota7 - draw = 35 - 3 = 32 games

- Day3:
Dota6.9 - draw = 79 - 3 = 76  games
Dota7 - draw = 61 - 8 = 53 games

- Day4:
Dota6.9 - draw = 88 - 5 = 83 games
Dota7 - draw = 64 - 16 = 48 games

- Day5:
Dota6.9 - draw = 90 - 8 = 82 games
Dota7 - draw = 56 - 9 = 45 games

- Day6:
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 7 =  84 games
Dota7 - draw = 62 - 9 = 53 games

- Day7:
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 5 = 86 games
Dota7 - draw = 59 - 6 = 53 games

- to1000:
Dota6.9 - draw = 22 - 2 = 20 games
Dota7 - draw = 18 - 4 = 14 games

Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 = 84+58+40+76+83+82+84+86+20= 613 map6.9 games finished

Dota7 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 =
49+40+32+53+48+45+53+53+14= 387 map7.0 games finished


Total games played in last 7 days since default map change with 2 pages to get thousand games played = 613+387= 1000
For sure 5%-15% games are result of default dota7 map autopick on !pub command. 61% games at this moment are dota6.9 while real balance is for sure over 65% for dota6.9. Main question is without this help from !pub command does dota7 have over 30% of total games at all?
Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 08, 2020, 09:01
Actually, when the v7 came out, a couple of months ago, there was a poll between v7 and v6 that resulted in v7 winning, even though a bunch of you morons kept creating fake profiles and double voting for v6. For reasons unknown to me, the transition hasn't been made.

Because of that, the majority of remotely decent players have left this platform which created an illusion that only '35%' of people here are playing v7.
Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: phaq on December 08, 2020, 09:56
Actually, when the v7 came out, a couple of months ago, there was a poll between v7 and v6 that resulted in v7 winning, even though a bunch of you morons kept creating fake profiles and double voting for v6. For reasons unknown to me, the transition hasn't been made.

Because of that, the majority of remotely decent players have left this platform which created an illusion that only '35%' of people here are playing v7.

Fake news. Nobody was sentenced as a result of the investigations. So there is no double voting situation.
Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: cen on December 08, 2020, 11:13
You say that remembering to put l in a command is too hard but argue to split the bots into two channels which is 200% more confusing and will completely divide the player base on their own isolated islands.

l or c, who cares really, if I didn't write what it means nobody would even know, it is irrelavant, a single letter. 6.9 is a legacy map for the simple fact that it will not receive a single patch or update ever again as claimed by the creator. So it will eventually become just like Icefrog Dota.

!lobbies command can be improved to show which DotA is used for the game, this way you don't need to enter the game to find out.
Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: TooShade on December 08, 2020, 13:49
The "!Lobbies" command should be better improved with related version informations, nice idea. And I think it was the only missing thing we needed.
Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 08, 2020, 15:50
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Because of that, the majority of remotely decent players have left this platform which created an illusion that only '35%' of people here are playing v7.

So now can be same situation where 6.9 players think 6.9 was removed and leave?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 09, 2020, 05:31
You say that remembering to put l in a command is too hard but argue to split the bots into two channels which is 200% more confusing and will completely divide the player base on their own isolated islands.
No, you completely misunderstood my point. Player base was already split with decision to put Dota7 as 2nd official dota and since then we have:
1. majority of Dota6.9 players who play mostly or only 6.9 map,
2. obviously small amount of people who play mostly or only Dota7, and
3. people who play both maps, again huge percent here is for Dota1 6.9 map.
Now why commands !pub and !publ are problem now, it is very simple logic: Lobbying group of few individuals made wrong picture about current situation and percent of players who play Dota7 and since this forum is used in most situations to ask for unban or ban, it is logical on some poll to not be much interests from regular Dota6.9 players who does not read much around. And so lobbying group, or few groups or few individuals wanted to make ideal environment and they presented fake picture.
None really care if it is publ or pubc or pubd or whatsoever, Default map is now Dota7 and side map is Dota6.9, every time someone wants to host Dota6.9 he has chance to have unintentionally created Dota7 instead which in the long run will make 5-25% of undecided players to use default map because it is default. I have valid solution on mind for this and votekick command gave me awesome idea where all sides will be happy:
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13:39    Sir.Gawain    [Allies]    !votekick sir
13:39       [All]    [Sir.Gawain] voted to kick [Sir.Gawain] [1/7]
13:39       [All]    RULE: !votekick command may only be used against game ruiners (intentional feed, obstructing gameplay..). Vote accordingly.
13:39       [All]    Type !yes to vote.
When a player whisp to bot  /w la-dota !pub name , bellow that could go info about how to host Dota6.9 with /w la-dota !pubc name and /w la-dota !pubn , so player can pick which map he will host and not to be host default Dota7 map on just !pub name.

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/w la-dota !pub name
You whisper to la-dota: !pub name
la-dota whispers: To host Dota6.9 map use /w la-dota !pubc name | To host Dota7.0 map use /w la-dota !pubn name
To repeat again, favoritism of Dota7 without reason is damaging Dota6.9 in the long run, and Dota6.9 need equality, the same treatment as Dota7 have, majority of players who play Dota6.9 deserve that. Now why same treatment with majority of players, this is Dota6.9 place and Dota6.9 must be official default map.
W3 channel can provide info about 2 channels for 2 dota games. And each channel info about game they play, Custom maps are supposed to have expected channel and bot name to makes all of this easy.

2 best players on ladder and on server for 2020 are Dota6.9 focused players Rob_Real and TooShade, and they were both untouchable for months until it was not really possible to progress anymore. Dota7 lobbying groups have their own clans to get higher on ladder and in different game, one more reason why 2 games need to be separated.
Ladder database https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/stats/ is overloaded. Loading page time takes often longer than 10 seconds. Can it be created that database as read_only(archived total games played) and 2 new databases, one for Dota6.9 and second for Dota7, on the first place to speed up, and on 2nd since we have 2 different games, not maps - GAMES. This will bring more challenging ladder for both leagues, ability to dominate in one or to try best to be the best in 2 leagues. I am sure cloning database and bot can bring us this very challenging fight to be in top.

l or c, who cares really, if I didn't write what it means nobody would even know, it is irrelavant, a single letter. 6.9 is a legacy map for the simple fact that it will not receive a single patch or update ever again as claimed by the creator. So it will eventually become just like Icefrog Dota.
You are Slovenian and you speak your language. If in your city is 20% Italians it doesn't mean you must to speak Italian as your primary language, right? Same case here. None care about new patches and updates, majority of people play it because 6.9 map is better than all previous maps. IceFrog dota compared to Dota6.9 is like comparing neanderthal who have his spear as weapon and alien who have laser weapon, but there are similarities between these maps while Dota7 is wild map, no connections with Dota6.9 nor IceFrog maps, dota2 maybe?.

Actually, when the v7 came out, a couple of months ago, there was a poll between v7 and v6 that resulted in v7 winning, even though a bunch of you morons kept creating fake profiles and double voting for v6. For reasons unknown to me, the transition hasn't been made.

Because of that, the majority of remotely decent players have left this platform which created an illusion that only '35%' of people here are playing v7.
Buggy non-dota map is not so attractive to Dota1 6.9 players, maybe to LOL and HON players..
Fake story about majority of decent players is bullshit. We all know who they are now, famous players for game ruining, mid or feed, failing mid and insulting and raging all game long at others for self-incompetence, rage quit. Luckily not many players like that are left in Dota6.9 so its much more comfortable to play. My best guess is they all went to Dota7.


The most shocking info is since last night Dota7 had 19 games remakes, while Dota6.9 had only 5. Dota7 lobbying group took me seriously so they had to hard try to make some balance in total games  ;)


- Day4:

Dota1 6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 5 pages 152 games. Draw games info is added next to number of games in format Dota6.9/Dota7:
18/30     Draws: 1/0
20/30                 2/1
17/30                 1/3
17/30                 0/7
16/30                 1/5
0/2            - already calculated 2 draws for Dota7 as removed from total of 4 games, so 2 games for Dota7

Draws: Excluding 2 from the last page, Dota6.9 = 5 and Dota7 = 16 draws
18+20+17+17+16+0= 88/152 Dota6.9 games and 64/152 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 - draw = 88 - 5 = 83 games
Dota7 - draw = 64 - 16 = 48 games


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Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 09, 2020, 11:18
1. majority of Dota1 players who play mostly or only 6.9 map,
2. obviously small amount of people who play mostly or only Dota7

There is no such thing as Dota7, just an updated, better map. It's the same game.

And so lobbying group, or few groups or few individuals wanted to make ideal environment and they presented fake picture.

There are no lobbying groups on Lagabuse, this is not House of Cards.

Dota1 need equality, the same treatment as Dota7 have


Dota7 does not exist.

majority of players who play Dota1 deserve that.

Majority of players that play Dota1 actually play version7.

2 best players on ladder and on server for 2020 are Dota1 focused players Rob_Real and TooShade

@grga_man @MarvinJunior rate
Also, @MarvinJunior I was under the impression Grga was the only focused Dota1 player?

and they were both untouchable for months until it was not really possible to progress anymore.

Didn't they get accused on multiple occasions of stacking vs total imbeciles and kicking any remotely decent player that entered their lobby?

Dota7 lobbying groups have their own clans to get higher on ladder

Dota7 does not exist, neither do lobbying groups, nor clans.

Can it be created that database as read_only(archived total games played) and 2 new databases, one for Dota1 and second for Dota7

It's the same game, so that's completely pointless.

majority of people play it because 6.9 map is better than all previous maps.

Just because this server has reached its lowest point and the skill-level in the history of Eurobattle, it does not mean most people play v6. The vast majority of Dota1 community play v7.

Actually, when the v7 came out, a couple of months ago, there was a poll between v7 and v6 that resulted in v7 winning, even though a bunch of you morons kept creating fake profiles and double voting for v6. For reasons unknown to me, the transition hasn't been made.

Because of that, the majority of remotely decent players have left this platform which created an illusion that only '35%' of people here are playing v7.

Buggy non-dota map is not so attractive to Dota1 players, maybe to LOL and HON players..

It is, in fact, a Dota map, it's way less 'buggy' than v6 and since a majority of D1 players play it, it's indeed attractive to them.

Fake story about majority of decent players is bullshit.

It's not fake and it's a fact.

My best guess is they all went to Dota7.

There is no such thing as Dota7.

Dota7 lobbying group took me seriously

Lobbying groups do not exist, and no one takes you seriously.
Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: grga_man on December 09, 2020, 15:49
I have competition for being best focused player on d1, trully fascinating how they are best players i always rape too shade in games, sadly i wont play old map so im not in position to do it more.
By question of fairy, i rate 9/10 because they have patience to wait all day stacked vs 1300 players to earn "points" which means nothing
Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: .SaLiH. on December 09, 2020, 17:10
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Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 09, 2020, 17:24
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Dota7 lobbying group took me seriously

I think they just join game, see its 7.00 and they want 6.9 and leave

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this server has reached its lowest point and the skill-level in the history of Eurobattle

Agree

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    2 best players on ladder and on server for 2020 are Dota1 focused players Rob_Real and TooShade

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Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Arthas on December 09, 2020, 22:05
You say that remembering to put l in a command is too hard but argue to split the bots into two channels which is 200% more confusing and will completely divide the player base on their own isolated islands.

l or c, who cares really, if I didn't write what it means nobody would even know, it is irrelavant, a single letter. 6.9 is a legacy map for the simple fact that it will not receive a single patch or update ever again as claimed by the creator. So it will eventually become just like Icefrog Dota.

!lobbies command can be improved to show which DotA is used for the game, this way you don't need to enter the game to find out.
why do you run this server man?
for fun for gain whatever the reason but you have to give the players what they want or they will just fuck off...do it the right way.

and why the old map wont receive any update ??????
did you try to fix tuskar bug?
why you didnt add the new items on 6.90

instead of changing the whole 6.90 you could add and fix...and you should know that upgrades is not forever on ....you may improve the base.!.but.!.at some point when you reach perfection upgrade should stop ...means any change or add will make it worse.

here is what i want as a player in this server:

1-fix tuskar bug in 6.90

2-add the new items in v7 to v6.90 without changing anything of map features

and you are right add l or fuck to commands is nothing but you guys want to force the new map on players ...and we all knew that since the first appearance of the new map


Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 09, 2020, 22:20
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1-fix tuskar bug in 6.90

2-add the new items in v7 to v6.90 without changing anything of map features

(https://coubsecure-s.akamaihd.net/get/b210/p/coub/simple/cw_timeline_pic/8ad2734e7b7/d1fd8a3de41f1cfa3b4bf/med_1564671064_image.jpg)
Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: kna on December 10, 2020, 02:30
So tell me one fucking decent reason to not flame this stupid mongoliads for typing this crap throw all week , and asking to play on 6.90
Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 10, 2020, 02:35
@mordor911 @TooShade @Rob_Real

I challenge you guys to a 3v3 or 5v5, hit me up with the date

Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 10, 2020, 02:44
@mordor911 @TooShade @Rob_Real

I challenge you guys to a 3v3 or 5v5, hit me up with the date

In which version?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 10, 2020, 06:08
You say that remembering to put l in a command is too hard but argue to split the bots into two channels which is 200% more confusing and will completely divide the player base on their own isolated islands.

l or c, who cares really, if I didn't write what it means nobody would even know, it is irrelavant, a single letter. 6.9 is a legacy map for the simple fact that it will not receive a single patch or update ever again as claimed by the creator. So it will eventually become just like Icefrog Dota.

!lobbies command can be improved to show which DotA is used for the game, this way you don't need to enter the game to find out.
why do you run this server man?
for fun for gain whatever the reason but you have to give the players what they want or they will just fuck off...do it the right way.

and why the old map wont receive any update ??????
did you try to fix tuskar bug?
why you didnt add the new items on 6.90

instead of changing the whole 6.90 you could add and fix...and you should know that upgrades is not forever on ....you may improve the base.!.but.!.at some point when you reach perfection upgrade should stop ...means any change or add will make it worse.

here is what i want as a player in this server:

1-fix tuskar bug in 6.90

2-add the new items from v7 to v6.90 without changing anything of map features

and you are right add l or fuck to commands is nothing but you guys want to force the new map on players ...and we all knew that since the first appearance of the new map
@Arthas this is it, Dracol1ch is map creator and not cen. No more updates. We are all used to what 6.9 map already offer to us.
Cen can separate dota6.9 and dota7 as 2 leagues with 2 ladders and 2 channels or Dota6.9 can be default again with !pub command.
Thank you for support. Call people who play with you to join this topic with their oppinions. The same guys, lobbying group convinced administration to push this change so they can take a part of dota6.9 players and they got it. Minority of Dota7 map is above the Majority of Dota6.9 map. This can happen only on dota.eurobattle.net.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 10, 2020, 06:23
For confused fellas who ask what is Dota7:
(https://i.imgur.com/6dxOk2c.png)

ALL GAMES CALCULATED IN THE LAST 5 DAYS SINCE DEFAULT MAP CHANGE
AND AFTER ADVANTAGE  HAS BEEN GIVEN TO MINORITY MAP Dota7

- Day1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 95 - 11 = 84 games
Dota7 - draw = 55 - 6 = 49 games

- Day2 part1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 67 - 9 = 58 games
Dota7 - draw = 53 - 13 = 40 games
- Day2 part2:
Dota6.9 - draw = 42 - 2 = 40 games
Dota7 - draw = 35 - 3 = 32 games

- Day3:
Dota6.9 - draw = 79 - 3 = 76  games
Dota7 - draw = 61 - 8 = 53 games

- Day4:
Dota6.9 - draw = 88 - 5 = 83 games
Dota7 - draw = 64 - 16 = 48 games

- Day5:
Dota6.9 - draw = 90 - 8 = 82 games
Dota7 - draw = 56 - 9 = 45 games

Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5 = 84+58+40+76+83+82= 423 map6.9 games finished
Dota7    = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5 = 49+40+32+53+48+45= 267 map7.0 games finished


Total games played in last 5 days since default map change = 423+267= 690
For sure 5%-20% games are result of default dota7 map autopick on !pub command. 61% games at this moment are dota6.9 while real balance is for sure 64+% for dota6.9. Main question is without this help from !pub command does dota7 have over 30% of total games at all?
Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: phaq on December 10, 2020, 07:57
Quote
1-fix tuskar bug in 6.90

2-add the new items in v7 to v6.90 without changing anything of map features

(https://coubsecure-s.akamaihd.net/get/b210/p/coub/simple/cw_timeline_pic/8ad2734e7b7/d1fd8a3de41f1cfa3b4bf/med_1564671064_image.jpg)

Give me the souce please.!?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: grga_man on December 10, 2020, 08:44
For confused fellas who ask what is Dota7:
(https://i.imgur.com/6dxOk2c.png)

ALL GAMES CALCULATED IN THE LAST 5 DAYS SINCE DEFAULT MAP CHANGE
AND AFTER ADVANTAGE  HAS BEEN GIVEN TO MINORITY MAP Dota7

- Day1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 95 - 11 = 84 games
Dota7 - draw = 55 - 6 = 49 games

- Day2 part1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 67 - 9 = 58 games
Dota7 - draw = 53 - 13 = 40 games
- Day2 part2:
Dota6.9 - draw = 42 - 2 = 40 games
Dota7 - draw = 35 - 3 = 32 games

- Day3:
Dota6.9 - draw = 79 - 3 = 76  games
Dota7 - draw = 61 - 8 = 53 games

- Day4:
Dota6.9 - draw = 88 - 5 = 83 games
Dota7 - draw = 64 - 16 = 48 games

- Day5:
Dota6.9 - draw = 90 - 8 = 82 games
Dota7 - draw = 56 - 9 = 45 games

Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5 = 84+58+40+76+83+82= 423 map6.9 games finished
Dota7    = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5 = 49+40+32+53+48+45= 267 map7.0 games finished


Total games played in last 5 days since default map change = 423+267= 690
For sure 5%-20% games are result of default dota7 map autopick on !pub command. 61% games at this moment are dota6.9 while real balance is for sure 64+% for dota6.9. Main question is without this help from !pub command does dota7 have over 30% of total games at all?

Get him fairy!
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: nikolagay on December 10, 2020, 08:45
Imagine running a Dota 1 community during the time when three different Warcraft patches are active, still caring enough to try and make the best choices and compromises for the sake of community, and ending up with these kind of topics on an almost weekly basis and people asking you: "Why do you run this server man?" The fuck is wrong with some of you guys...

Anyway, TL:DR, the point is, the whining was the same when 6.85 was out, as well as when 6.89 was out, and here we go again on 7.00. Perhaps the best thing some of you guys can do is switch to GameRanger, those peeps choose not to evolve and keep playing 6.83, sounds like a fucking dream for some of you guys.

I don't even play 7.00 and even I agree that it's better to switch to it, simply cause things have to progress in order for improvement to happen. Or I guess you can do what Bnet peeps are doing, and play versions like Dota 6.85k NE15 v6. The perks of patching up a single Dota version are real...
Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: .SaLiH. on December 10, 2020, 10:32
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and why the old map wont receive any update ??????
did you try to fix tuskar bug?
why you didnt add the new items on 6.90
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

ok this topic is just so good, please continue !
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: cen on December 10, 2020, 11:15
It is in a sense an honor for people to think we own everything DotA related. It is understandable that people get confused since the reality is, behind the mask there is a wild west of ancient technologies and loosely connected communities that just happen to work because of a series of coincidental events through history. The fact that d1stats map can exist is pure luck even. It is all kinda funny.

Anyone got tips for Luna jungle?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: nikolagay on December 10, 2020, 14:08
Anyone got tips for Luna jungle?
Pro tip - just don't.
Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 10, 2020, 16:51
Quote from: phaq link=topic=198483.msg705247#msg705247
Give me the souce please.!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb2lo5sOc6M

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Anyone got tips for Luna jungle?

Same as for every ranged hero, buy damage like mask or the jungle item and stand in the right spots so the creeps cant reach you and farm melee creeps starting from weak ones to level up. In 6.9 collect coins for exp
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 10, 2020, 17:22
Games played today:
DotaMap = DotaMapGames - draw = total games
Dota6.9 = 16 - 1 = 15
Dota7   =  7  -  2 = 05


150 accounts involved playing Dota6.9 and 50 accounts involved playing Dota7.

Imagine running a Dota 1 community during the time when three different Warcraft patches are active, still caring enough to try and make the best choices and compromises for the sake of community, and ending up with these kind of topics on an almost weekly basis and people asking you: "Why do you run this server man?" The fuck is wrong with some of you guys...

Anyway, TL:DR, the point is, the whining was the same when 6.85 was out, as well as when 6.89 was out, and here we go again on 7.00. Perhaps the best thing some of you guys can do is switch to GameRanger, those peeps choose not to evolve and keep playing 6.83, sounds like a fucking dream for some of you guys.

I don't even play 7.00 and even I agree that it's better to switch to it, simply cause things have to progress in order for improvement to happen. Or I guess you can do what Bnet peeps are doing, and play versions like Dota 6.85k NE15 v6. The perks of patching up a single Dota version are real...
Your post has no point and is not related to this subject since you are not dota player anymore and this topic is about dota players and dota game, and the question is for you, why do you care to post about this if you are not a player? If you want Dota7.00 go and play it or watch it or use GameRanger to play it, but do not make an illusion and do not talk about default map with minority of players and games should be improvement and progress just because its newer. You and GameRanger are made for eachother. Newer does not mean more quality or better experience nor in this case is more popular. Let the things to be back to as before where Dota6.9 is default and then talk about progress. Here we do not have equality, 423 vs 267 games is small difference for only 5 days, isn't it?
Now go and switch to GameRanger and enjoy your Dota 6.85k NE15 v6. Good luck.

And what does it mean this 423 vs 267? It means 10 accounts in each game to start and to finish the game, from 10 accounts in each game 5 accounts will get +PSR and 5 accounts will get -PSR, 4230 Dota6.9 accounts vs 2670 Dota7 accounts. This is very huge difference in popularity. And from 2670 accounts involved more than 500 are undecided players or better to say they prefer Dota6.7 but play Dota7 because it happens mistake with !pub command or they do not know how to host Dota6.9.
In one room can be 4230 chocolates and free and in another 2670 and free, all chocolates are the same. Which room is better to pick? 10 people will eat 4230 chocolates entire year and 5 people will eat 2670 chocolates half of the year. Logic is more than simple.

This topic is about active Dota6.9 map and wild buggy misscalled dota map Dota7, and players.
Please stick to the topic. 10 or more posts are not related with topic.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: grga_man on December 10, 2020, 17:36
Games played today:
DotaMap = DotaMapGames - draw = total games
Dota6.9 = 16 - 1 = 15
Dota7   =  7  -  2 = 05


150 accounts involved playing Dota6.9 and 50 accounts involved playing Dota7.

Imagine running a Dota 1 community during the time when three different Warcraft patches are active, still caring enough to try and make the best choices and compromises for the sake of community, and ending up with these kind of topics on an almost weekly basis and people asking you: "Why do you run this server man?" The fuck is wrong with some of you guys...

Anyway, TL:DR, the point is, the whining was the same when 6.85 was out, as well as when 6.89 was out, and here we go again on 7.00. Perhaps the best thing some of you guys can do is switch to GameRanger, those peeps choose not to evolve and keep playing 6.83, sounds like a fucking dream for some of you guys.

I don't even play 7.00 and even I agree that it's better to switch to it, simply cause things have to progress in order for improvement to happen. Or I guess you can do what Bnet peeps are doing, and play versions like Dota 6.85k NE15 v6. The perks of patching up a single Dota version are real...
Your post has no point and is not related to this subject since you are not dota player anymore and this topic is about dota players and dota game, and the question is for you, why do you care to post about this if you are not a player? If you want Dota7.00 go and play it or watch it or use GameRanger to play it, but do not make an illusion and do not talk about default map with minority of players and games should be improvement and progress just because its newer. You and GameRanger are made for eachother. Newer does not mean more quality or better experience nor in this case is more popular. Let the things to be back to as before where Dota6.9 is default and then talk about progress. Here we do not have equality, 423 vs 267 games is small difference for only 5 days, isn't it?
Now go and switch to GameRanger and enjoy your Dota 6.85k NE15 v6. Good luck.

And what does it mean this 423 vs 267? It means 10 accounts in each game to start and to finish the game, 4230 accounts vs 2670 accounts. This is very huge difference in popularity. And from 2670 accounts involved more than 500 are undecided players or better to say they prefer Dota6.7 but play Dota7 because it happens mistake with !pub command or they do not know how to host Dota6.9.


This topic is about active Dota6.9 map and wild buggy misscalled dota map Dota7.
Please stick to the topic. 10 or more posts are not related with topic.

Okay you triggered me to reply on this, on other server there is 6k players who play v7 and you and other 40 players who are uncapable to learn new staff and adjust to play old map, so at the end there is 6k players and lets say they play 3 games per day 18000 games  vs your 400 games.
Beat that.. How other people could adjust you can too, if you cant play that old v6 and stfu.
I stopped playing here because of an old map, but i want you to see overall how many people accepted and you and small majority make big deal about this, so ridiculous.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 10, 2020, 17:43
@FataLity- expert analysis needed here
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 10, 2020, 17:51
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wild buggy misscalled dota map Dota7

From what i know 6.9 has tuskar bug and riki bug. What bugs 7.00 has?

Also why 6.9 should stay as official map and not the classic dota 6.73d?

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6.85k is not dota anymore, keep 6.73d
6.88 is not dota anymore, keep 6.85k
6.9 is not dota anymore, keep 6.88
7.00 is not dota anymore, keep 6.9
<You are here>
?? is not dota anymore, keep 7.00

For good statistics @cen need to publish it, for whole 2020 year
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 10, 2020, 17:56

In one room can be 4230 chocolates and free and in another 2670 and free, all chocolates are the same. Which room is better to pick? 10 people will eat 4230 chocolates entire year and 5 people will eat 2670 chocolates half of the year. Logic is more than simple.

I can't decide if you're being stupidly dangerous or dangerously stupid.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: nikolagay on December 10, 2020, 19:16
Mate I'm kinda too lazy go into a discussion with you regarding this matter, it would take too long and I honestly don't want to waste too much of my brain cells on this.

A friendly advice - try and ask yourself why is this something you want to push through by all means. Why do you care so much about this? The way you handle this topic is kinda sus to me, I smell a lot of subjective bullshit.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 10, 2020, 20:22
Okay you triggered me to reply on this, on other server there is 6k players who play v7 and you and other 40 players who are uncapable to learn new staff and adjust to play old map, so at the end there is 6k players and lets say they play 3 games per day 18000 games  vs your 400 games.
Beat that.. How other people could adjust you can too, if you cant play that old v6 and stfu.
I stopped playing here because of an old map, but i want you to see overall how many people accepted and you and small majority make big deal about this, so ridiculous.
Who gives a fuck about other server? You do not play on this server, why are you posting useless comments? Leave this place to Dota1 players and Dota1 is Dota6.9 map.
Now take a hand of nikolagay, MarvinJunior and all others who does not play on this server and go play with other 6k players, in case they really exist.

Also why 6.9 should stay as official map and not the classic dota 6.73d?
Why not. Classic dota 6.73d can also be added if there is interested players. But first separate 2 leagues before making 3rd and make Dota 6.9 default again.
There are over 6000 Dota7 players and over 18000 games on some unknown server, why do people like nikolagay, MarvinJunior, grga_man and some others spam here if they have another server. Here games can't start in less than 5 minutes, on unknown server with 18000 Dota7 daily games it will start in few seconds.

Mate I'm kinda too lazy go into a discussion with you regarding this matter, it would take too long and I honestly don't want to waste too much of my brain cells on this.

A friendly advice - try and ask yourself why is this something you want to push through by all means. Why do you care so much about this? The way you handle this topic is kinda sus to me, I smell a lot of subjective bullshit.
Yes you are kinda bellow my intellectual level and honestly there is nothing smart you can say.
You are not playing on this server and what do I push?. Who cares what do you think if you are not player. This topic concerns Dota1 6.9 majority players base and minority of Dota7 players. Lobbying group pushed fake info about Dota7 map popularity and huge mistake and injustice is done here. Minority above the Majority, ridiculous.
Or you guys care so much because you play under hidden nicks and this fake acting with famous unknown 6000k Dota7 players is just ridiculous and fake as your statements are. You and your friends have nothing smart to say, you can spam, you can insult me, you can lie people, but all that are invalid arguments. My proofs about current situation are public and available for everyone and Happy.. explained very well why Dota7 is not so popular like Dota6.9 is, read carefully his comment bellow, he admited:

Actually, when the v7 came out, a couple of months ago, there was a poll between v7 and v6 that resulted in v7 winning, even though a bunch of you morons kept creating fake profiles and double voting for v6. For reasons unknown to me, the transition hasn't been made.

You guys from Lobbying group are so fake that you can compare to nowadays politicians who do not have even a single valid argument to deny even a single sentence I mentioned in this topic. With other words said, you people from Lobbying group for Dota7 are way bellow my intellectual level.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 10, 2020, 21:03
you people from Lobbying group for Dota7 are way bellow my intellectual level.

In one room can be 4230 chocolates and free and in another 2670 and free, all chocolates are the same. Which room is better to pick? 10 people will eat 4230 chocolates entire year and 5 people will eat 2670 chocolates half of the year. Logic is more than simple.

That's some Jordan Peterson level intellectual metaphor right there.

P. S. The people you're badmouthing have been playing on this server for almost 15 years. So yes, I think we have a little bit more credibility than clowns like yourself.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: nikolagay on December 10, 2020, 21:04
Your intellectual level can't seem to figure out I'm still playing Dota here from time to time. Guess your massive ego makes you overlook a thing or two.

Here's a little lesson in Dotaology for you kid:

Transition from Warcraft patch 1.25 to 1.26 crippled almost every Dota 1 community once 1.26 was released. People refused to switch to 1.26 cause "it wasn't populated enough" and "it made no sense to switch". 1.26 prevailed over time.

Once it was clear that Icefrog won't be releasing any further Dota 1 versions, Dracol1ch took over and released 6.85. People didn't want to switch because "it wasn't Icefrog's official version" and "it didn't make sense to switch". 6.85 prevailed and eventually substituted 6.83 on almost all communities.

Funny thing about these scenarions - in both cases people had hidden agendas behind their excuses. People just don't wanna get out of their comfort zones, and then claim that new versions are shittier cause of bad balance changes. News flash - all versions have balance issues. I can name the most significant ones from 6.70 to 6.90 but that would just spam the topic, and you probably wouldn't follow up anyway.

Oh, and before you even begin talking shit about balance changes and improvements, keep in mind that some of us started playing Dota on Eul's version. We've seen the true meaning of word "imbalanced" and adapted to far more changes over the years.

If people shared your mentality every time, we'd probably still be playing 6.83. Because "why bother changing something that works". Did I overlook your intelectual superiority here or?

Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 11, 2020, 01:12
@mordor911

two questions, do you feel like @cen failed you?

and how are you not top 1 with your 60 iq?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 11, 2020, 05:07
- Day6:

Dota1 6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 6 pages 153 games.  Draw games info is added next to number of games in format Dota6.9/Dota7:
19/30     Draws:  1/1
17/30                 1/2
18/30                 2/1
16/30                 1/1
20/30                 2/4
01/03                 0/0

Draws: Dota6.9 = 7 draws and Dota7 = 9 draws
19+17+18+16+20+1 = 91/153 Dota6.9 games and 62/153 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 7 =  84 games
Dota7 - draw = 62 - 9 = 53 games


(https://i.imgur.com/fZuydBK.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Iz4rGhb.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/zRat95t.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/cAlciep.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/uOj5UjJ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/0j6DWz8.png)

For confused fellas who ask what is Dota7:
(https://i.imgur.com/6dxOk2c.png)

ALL GAMES CALCULATED IN THE LAST 6 DAYS SINCE DEFAULT MAP CHANGE
AND AFTER ADVANTAGE  HAS BEEN GIVEN TO MINORITY MAP Dota7

- Day1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 95 - 11 = 84 games
Dota7 - draw = 55 - 6 = 49 games

- Day2 part1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 67 - 9 = 58 games
Dota7 - draw = 53 - 13 = 40 games
- Day2 part2:
Dota6.9 - draw = 42 - 2 = 40 games
Dota7 - draw = 35 - 3 = 32 games

- Day3:
Dota6.9 - draw = 79 - 3 = 76  games
Dota7 - draw = 61 - 8 = 53 games

- Day4:
Dota6.9 - draw = 88 - 5 = 83 games
Dota7 - draw = 64 - 16 = 48 games

- Day5:
Dota6.9 - draw = 90 - 8 = 82 games
Dota7 - draw = 56 - 9 = 45 games

- Day6:
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 7 =  84 games
Dota7 - draw = 62 - 9 = 53 games

Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6 = 84+58+40+76+83+82+84= 507 map6.9 games finished
Dota7    = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6 = 49+40+32+53+48+45+53= 320 map7.0 games finished


Total games played in last 6 days since default map change = 507+320= 827
For sure 5%-20% games are result of default dota7 map autopick on !pub command. 61% games at this moment are dota6.9 while real balance is for sure 64+% for dota6.9. Main question is without this help from !pub command does dota7 have over 30% of total games at all?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: bookeyize on December 12, 2020, 08:34
Oh shiet w8, did you just wrote tooshade and robreal are the best dota1 players in current season, ooookeeeeey
 @mordor911 can I know your server acc?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 12, 2020, 09:39
@mordor911 where are my daily dota updates at? Give us the turnover for Dec 11th, please
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Adm1n on December 12, 2020, 15:50
agree to the topic.
Mordor91 is right
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Sejtura on December 12, 2020, 17:41
Same... I agree about everything Mordor911 said.
To be honest, if there is no 6.9 map, many players would already leave this server. And i am sure those players who play 6.9 map, wouldn't switch to 7 if old map goes to history. Only a third of the current number of players would remain on server.

So let's enjoy both maps and keep the old one alive because of the majority who play it.

Just to add... After commands changed, Players got confused... I recived so many messages here and on my cellphone with one question "is 6.9 really dead ?!".
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Tyrande on December 12, 2020, 18:01
Same... I agree about everything Mordor911 said.
To be honest, if there is no 6.9 map, many players would already leave this server. And i am sure those players who play 6.9 map, wouldn't switch to 7 if old map goes to history. Only a third of the current number of players would remain on server.

So let's enjoy both maps and keep the old one alive because of the majority who play it.

Just to add... After commands changed, Players got confused... I recived so many messages here and on my cellphone with one question "is 6.9 really dead ?!".

Welp to agree with everything that mordor said u have to be mentaly retarded (without offend)

Also how about that players wich preffer 7.0 had to use !privobs command for months and noone of u hypocrites complains about that.

Be aware that this server already lost majority of good players due to this and many other stupid decisions.

Fun part 6.83 won the pool against 6.85 and still we switched to 6.85. Now same story 7.0 won pool but welp.


Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 12, 2020, 18:13
question of the day @mordor911

Why havent all primates evolved into humans?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: iErnesto94 on December 12, 2020, 19:06
Most players here play since v5.0-6.0 so they think that there is one dota that evolves slightly. I play dota since v3.6 at reign of chaos. Dota always evolved, hereos were removed/added map changed etc.
This is how dota worked since day 1! If Dota didn't evolve then we would still have 30 heroes and a map that looked like the one at 2004.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 13, 2020, 00:19
After 1 week since favoritism of Dota7, here are results for 1000 games played.

- Day7:

Dota1 6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 5 pages 150 games.  Draw games info is added next to number of games in format Dota6.9/Dota7:
15/30     Draws:  1/1
19/30                 0/1
23/30                 2/0
16/30                 2/2
18/30                 0/2

Draws: Dota6.9 = 5 draws and Dota7 = 6 draws
15+19+23+16+18 = 91/150 Dota6.9 games and 59/150 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 5 = 86 games
Dota7 - draw = 59 - 6 = 53 games


(https://i.imgur.com/UayqviH.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/pp1J49U.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UkuJAdQ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/kGMeDsx.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/QnUUOzh.png)


- to1000:

Dota1 6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 2 pages 40 games.  Draw games info is added next to number of games in format Dota6.9/Dota7:
07/12     Draws:  0/1
15/28                 2/3


Draws: Dota6.9 = 2 draws and Dota7 = 4 draws
07+15 = 22/40 Dota6.9 games and 18/40 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 - draw = 22 - 2 = 20 games
Dota7 - draw = 18 - 4 = 14 games


(https://i.imgur.com/2DDBwlU.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/x1icALs.png)

For confused fellas who ask what is Dota7:
(https://i.imgur.com/6dxOk2c.png)

ALL GAMES CALCULATED IN THE LAST 7 DAYS SINCE DEFAULT MAP CHANGE
AND AFTER ADVANTAGE  HAS BEEN GIVEN TO MINORITY MAP Dota7
to1000 are taken games from day8 for total of 1000games played statistic.

- Day1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 95 - 11 = 84 games
Dota7 - draw = 55 - 6 = 49 games

- Day2 part1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 67 - 9 = 58 games
Dota7 - draw = 53 - 13 = 40 games
- Day2 part2:
Dota6.9 - draw = 42 - 2 = 40 games
Dota7 - draw = 35 - 3 = 32 games

- Day3:
Dota6.9 - draw = 79 - 3 = 76  games
Dota7 - draw = 61 - 8 = 53 games

- Day4:
Dota6.9 - draw = 88 - 5 = 83 games
Dota7 - draw = 64 - 16 = 48 games

- Day5:
Dota6.9 - draw = 90 - 8 = 82 games
Dota7 - draw = 56 - 9 = 45 games

- Day6:
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 7 =  84 games
Dota7 - draw = 62 - 9 = 53 games

- Day7:
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 5 = 86 games
Dota7 - draw = 59 - 6 = 53 games

- to1000:
Dota6.9 - draw = 22 - 2 = 20 games
Dota7 - draw = 18 - 4 = 14 games

Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 = 84+58+40+76+83+82+84+86+20= 613 map6.9 games finished

Dota7 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 =
49+40+32+53+48+45+53+53+14= 387 map7.0 games finished


Total games played in last 7 days since default map change with 2 pages to get thousand games played = 613+387= 1000
For sure 5%-15% games are result of default dota7 map autopick on !pub command. 61% games at this moment are dota6.9 while real balance is for sure over 65% for dota6.9. Main question is without this help from !pub command does dota7 have over 30% of total games at all?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 13, 2020, 06:07
Most players here play since v5.0-6.0 so they think that there is one dota that evolves slightly. I play dota since v3.6 at reign of chaos. Dota always evolved, hereos were removed/added map changed etc.
This is how dota worked since day 1! If Dota didn't evolve then we would still have 30 heroes and a map that looked like the one at 2004.
Yes Dota1 evolved and 6.90a8 is the last step in evolution, the best dota map created since 2004. And now Dota1 server wants to become kind of Dota2 server to evolve and to that evolution step non-Dota map is official map for Dota1 with 30% of total dota players. This is 2020. with something good, very good which is going to be slowly removed in favor for few individuals who only spam in this topic or insult me or your moderators. Simple separate 2 leagues and let us play our game. Every time someone forget to use L
automatically is created SHIT Dota7 and it takes 30 seconds to create once again while losing players who fill other games.
Those people from Lobbying group only insult or post unrelated spam or use fake account for insulting your Head Moderator - this guy Tyrande, 2 years inactive forum account now comes to insult only, and what was he doing 2 years ago? He was insulting everyone. And bookeyize belongs to someone from this group Happy.. / grga_man / kna / MarvinJunior / nikolagay - all of them only want to eliminate Dota6.9 and Dota6.9 players and they are officially supported, few people got support over the majority of people who just play the game and the most of Dota6.9 players do not visit forum. The real measure of current situation is in games and players and it is much above 500 Dota6.9 players and bellow 200 Dota7 players on dota.eurobattle.net.
None from Dota6.9 players was against idea to help others who wanted to get rid of !privobs, but why to do damage on our back? Why we have to suffer with huge majority of players and games so minority can be satisfied.
iErnesto94 you are playing 6.9 map as well more often than Dota7, along with everyone from administration team, all of you are Dota6.9 players. Why do you play 6.9 if Dota7 is the next step in evolution? Because there are not enough players for Dota7 and because you like Dota6.9. The majority of players who provide 1000 dota games every week will slowly leave because when they come there is not always possible to start the game, so they go to play something else and not dota. Ask Dota6.9 players what do they think about removing the map and placing Dota7 as default map and entire picture will be much more clearer.
agree to the topic.
Mordor91 is right
Same... I agree about everything Mordor911 said.
To be honest, if there is no 6.9 map, many players would already leave this server. And i am sure those players who play 6.9 map, wouldn't switch to 7 if old map goes to history. Only a third of the current number of players would remain on server.

So let's enjoy both maps and keep the old one alive because of the majority who play it.

Just to add... After commands changed, Players got confused... I recived so many messages here and on my cellphone with one question "is 6.9 really dead ?!".
Thank you Adm1n and Sejtura for support. Sejtura agreed about how many players would remain on server, situation with custom games and other servers is not known to me, but half of players and above 60% of games will be vanished if this situation does not change. It is really shocking to overtake main dota command for the game creation from the majority of people where new map could have !pubn or !pub7.
Your Patreon supporters are Dota6.9 players cicibucna/zdrabranding , phaq , sejanus, all Patreon supporters are Dota6.9 players, only iErnesto94 is playing both maps.
Make it be like it was before and give a new separated league to Dota7 so we can all be happy again and equal.
These players count on this to change Arthas/ArthasTerenas , phaq , TooShade , Adm1n , Sejtura , Rob_Real , Caneee , Addict3d2net ,  Viperchoko, Noci , JODA , North_Legionare , zvonko , ebyy , Sejanus , epic90 , Corristo , alien1 , Never_give_Up , m3thead , fearspp , fabricamp3 , Simke , milosmiladinovic , ^Less_Apaches^ , cicibucna , m-packet , rL-Valter , kontra.danf , hypothalamus , Dark_Tauren , Ditya-Ra , sandro_max , phenomenalone , [happy]man , daniel123 , ebacha , ibraa10 , tzk , HI][MAN , silvan , manokerrr , melih06 , blakchole and many many many more...
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 13, 2020, 07:04
Only 3 respectable players in that long list of survivors

@Sejanus @rL-Valter and @Corristo
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: 4K on December 13, 2020, 11:43
I support both sides, 6.90 won't get any updates anymore the map creator said that.


lets say 50/50 likes old/newest maps
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 13, 2020, 15:22
All they did was changing command name and you make drama like old map was removed forever
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 13, 2020, 16:50
Week #2

- Day1:

Dota6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 5 pages 144 games:
21/30
23/30
20/30
20/30
15/24


21+23+20+20+15 = 99/144 Dota6.9 games and 45/144 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 = 99 games
Dota7    = 45 games


(https://i.imgur.com/9dQKzjy.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/40p4I4u.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/hrXiZRF.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/VH4m23e.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/mqnnZwT.png)

No comment! Nothing to add... Not even a 1/3 for Dota7  .i.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: .SaLiH. on December 13, 2020, 17:34
mom more graph please !
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 13, 2020, 17:44
question of the day @mordor911

What is your opinion on echo chambers?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 13, 2020, 18:00
Come on guys, it is time to support something we like! 70% games and players are Dota6.9 players. Your voice matters!
@TooShade  @Arthas  @phaq  @Rob_Real  @Addict3d2net  @Viperchoko  @Noci  @JODA  @North_Legionare  @zvonko  @ebyy  @Sejanus  @epic90   @Corristo  @alien1  @Never_give_Up  @m3thead  @fearspp  @fabricamp3  @Simke  @milosmiladinovic  @^Less_Apaches^ @cicibucna  @M-PackeT T @rL-Valter  @kontra.danf @hypothalamus  @Dark_Tauren n @Ditya-Ra  @sandro_max  @phenomenalone  @[happy]man @daniel123  @ebacha  @ibraa10  @tzk  @HI][MAN @silvan  @manokerrr  @melih06  @blakchole  @dzuka1  @lor350  @Phantom_mkd  @hsakuragi @funnylol @Sejanus @fortepsai @Mara @fabricamp3 @begin @BestMurlocPlay @boyka15

Hear my call and lets get back !pub for Dota6.9 once again, or lets have separated league with 2 ladders and normal !pub option. I offer long time solution and administration can clone and separate ladder. If we can not have !pub command give us back /w lagabuse !pub used for custom games and make for custom games /w custom or /w customgames. All the players are equal and should have equal treatment and not only that, 70% dota players are Dota6.9 and Dota6.9 is main game. The Lobbying group lost once and they must once again or Dota6.9 map won't be in near future. Their idea is to remove competition of Dota6.9 map because our number of players is much greater. Dota2 already exist and this place is not Dota2.

Week #1

ALL GAMES CALCULATED IN THE LAST 7 DAYS SINCE DEFAULT MAP CHANGE
AND AFTER ADVANTAGE  HAS BEEN GIVEN TO MINORITY MAP Dota7
to1000 are taken games from day8 for total of 1000games played statistic.

- Day1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 95 - 11 = 84 games
Dota7 - draw = 55 - 6 = 49 games

- Day2 part1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 67 - 9 = 58 games
Dota7 - draw = 53 - 13 = 40 games
- Day2 part2:
Dota6.9 - draw = 42 - 2 = 40 games
Dota7 - draw = 35 - 3 = 32 games

- Day3:
Dota6.9 - draw = 79 - 3 = 76  games
Dota7 - draw = 61 - 8 = 53 games

- Day4:
Dota6.9 - draw = 88 - 5 = 83 games
Dota7 - draw = 64 - 16 = 48 games

- Day5:
Dota6.9 - draw = 90 - 8 = 82 games
Dota7 - draw = 56 - 9 = 45 games

- Day6:
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 7 =  84 games
Dota7 - draw = 62 - 9 = 53 games

- Day7:
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 5 = 86 games
Dota7 - draw = 59 - 6 = 53 games

- to1000:
Dota6.9 - draw = 22 - 2 = 20 games
Dota7 - draw = 18 - 4 = 14 games

Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 = 84+58+40+76+83+82+84+86+20= 613 map6.9 games finished

Dota7 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 =
49+40+32+53+48+45+53+53+14= 387 map7.0 games finished


Total games played in last 7 days since default map change with 2 pages to get thousand games played = 613+387= 1000
For sure 5%-15% games are result of default dota7 map autopick on !pub command. 61% games at this moment are dota6.9 while real balance is for sure over 65% for dota6.9. Main question is without this help from !pub command does dota7 have over 30% of total games at all?

Week #2

- Day1:

Dota6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 5 pages 144 games:
21/30
23/30
20/30
20/30
15/24


21+23+20+20+15 = 99/144 Dota6.9 games and 45/144 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 = 99 games
Dota7    = 45 games


(https://i.imgur.com/9dQKzjy.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/40p4I4u.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/hrXiZRF.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/VH4m23e.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/mqnnZwT.png)

No comment! Nothing to add... Not even a 1/3 for Dota7  .i.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 13, 2020, 18:11
Come on guys, it is time to support something we like! 70% games and players are Dota6.9 players. Your voice matters!
@TooShade  @Arthas  @phaq  @Rob_Real  @Addict3d2net  @Viperchoko  @Noci  @JODA  @North_Legionare  @zvonko  @ebyy  @Sejanus  @epic90   @Corristo  @alien1  @Never_give_Up  @m3thead  @fearspp  @fabricamp3  @Simke  @milosmiladinovic  @^Less_Apaches^ @cicibucna  @M-PackeT T @rL-Valter  @kontra.danf @hypothalamus  @Dark_Tauren n @Ditya-Ra  @sandro_max  @phenomenalone  @[happy]man @daniel123  @ebacha  @ibraa10  @tzk  @HI][MAN @silvan  @manokerrr  @melih06  @blakchole  @dzuka1  @lor350  @Phantom_mkd  @hsakuragi @funnylol @Sejanus @fortepsai @Mara @fabricamp3 @begin@BestMurlocPlay @boyka15

Hear my call

HEAR HIS CALL, PEASANTS

@begin how do you feel being one of the mordors' boys? Share your thoughts with us
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 13, 2020, 18:25
@grga_man thoughts on the list of supporters
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Corristo on December 13, 2020, 19:16
Dude honestly I don't give a shit if I have to use !pub or !publ comand. If I can host/join 6.9 it doesn't really matter. I already told my opinion about v7, so I have nothing to add here... The moment they remove 6.9, I stop playing on LA. easy as that.
Anyway, all pros left to play dota 2 for money long ago, those who stayed here are playing for nostalgia (like me), or they have potato PC to play Dota 2. Happy and the other tits sucking kids can just fuck right off, I won't even bother reading their giberish here.

Peace, see you ingame.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 13, 2020, 19:58
Dude honestly I don't give a shit if I have to use !pub or !publ comand. If I can host/join 6.9 it doesn't really matter. I already told my opinion about v7, so I have nothing to add here... The moment they remove 6.9, I stop playing on LA. easy as that.
Anyway, all pros left to play dota 2 for money long ago, those who stayed here are playing for nostalgia (like me), or they have potato PC to play Dota 2. Happy and the other tits sucking kids can just fuck right off, I won't even bother reading their giberish here.

Peace, see you ingame.
Thank you for support. I have found your posts and you are right in every single sentence. Dota2 shit is not supposed to be on ladder at all. Those remaining "pros" and people with "credibility" should already be gone to play Dota2 for money since they are pros, but not they are just noobs and known for game ruining and insulting.

Ok, my first impression is, that this new map sucks hard. Give us an option to host 6.9 version, or just throw this rubbish into the bin. If I want to play Dota 2, I go and play Dota 2. No need to ''upgrade'' it into this. Thank you very much drakolich, for fucking up our classic dota 1 map. Sometimes LESS is MORE, and in this case, it's totally true. Lost all my interest in playing this trash just after one game. Super disappointed.
You'll have to give more information on why you think the new version is bad, saying the new map just "sucks" won't get you anywhere.
If you don't understand the new map and need to learn how the new stuff work then it's not because the map "sucks", it's because you need to adapt to the new fresh patch and stop doing the same things (picking same heroes, going same item build, same strategies etc.) which you were previously doing in the last patch.

It's not about learning new stuff. The map simply sucks because the new UI, the way it looks. The player ''interface''. Why couldn't he keep the classic interface of the game, and just implement the hero balances, new heroes and other upgrades. What bothers me the most, is the new interface which is annoyingly informative, the whole screen is filled with unnecessary information, while he moved BIG YELLOW GOLD counter bottom right for no reason. I feel like sitting behind a fighter jet, looking left and right while everything being more annoying than informative.

The map lost it's classic feeling, it's a cheap copy of dota 2. We don't want dota2 in warcraft3 ok? We want dota1, CLASSIC dota1!
love it!
"unneccessary information"
yeah, it's really annoying when you can see your enemies list, it's better play with eyes closed to not receive any excessive information, just use your ears
"gold label down the way"
hell yeah, keep playing your 13" desktop. it's such a pain in the ass to move eyes top-down all the time you try to buy a thing. Hope your eyeballs are fine there.

Drakolich, just roll back the interface as it was, but keep the hero and terrain changes. Like it or not, but you fucked up the interface hard. This is my opinion, and sorry if it hurts you. I know you probably won't give a shit, and just keep it this way, rather than acknowledge the players opinions and make some changes, but I HAVE to tell it anyway. Take it as a feedback, and make the changes accordingly. I will check back, when I get back my classic dota1. At this stage, the map is not enjoyable for me.
A few rational thoughts
- we should give the map a chance for some time and give constructive feedback if you want to change something for the better
- v7 is not even final yet, a temporary reversal back to v6 is not a problem
- like Icefrog dota was the-map back in the day, d1stats is the-map today. When Icefrog did something bad we just had to accept it and move on, now it is at least possible to contact the developer directly and give feedback, whether it is accepted or not.
- staying on v6, if decided by the community, is not a viable long term solution unless there would be some kind of an LTS program for that version. Even then, we would miss any good features coming after v7.


I think we should stay on v7 for a few weeks, collect feedback and then decide if we go back to v6 for a period of time, stay on v7 or what the next steps should be. If there is no consensus within community one side will have to give in since hosting both versions is not an option, it will diminish the available player pool and make lobbies longer.

Just a few thoughts about this.
1) Our problem is not to move on with the map. Over the last 10 years, we always had new heroes added, new skills, new items, and minor map changes. But they all came step by step, while always staying loyal to the main concepts. They were just furbishing the game. Obviously mistakes were made, unbalances were fixed later.
We adapted and learnt the new ways. This is NOT our problem.

2) Our PROBLEM is that this map wants to make DOTA2 from DOTA1, and it's unacceptable for me, and for others also.

3)I dont like and don't want DOTA2 MAP terrain in dota1. No need to copy paste it, new runes, outposts new roshan location. No need, and no like. I don't know who asked for it ever.

4) The new user interface is a catastrophe as it is. Everything is bigger, takes too much of the screen, icons are misslocated, minimap change also dislike.

5)If you want to add new heroes have my upvote! If you want heroes rebalances GOOD. New items? FINE. Keep the rest as it was, classic UI, classic terrain (minor changes are ok if really needed).

6) The game feels like APEM. Easy and fast farm. everybody is having expensive items after 20 minutes, this reduces the importance of gangs and farming skills for individual players.

7) Make a POLL, let's see how many players would like to play v6 or v7. Or make it possible for us, classic dota1 players, to play v6 again. If we can play both maps simultaneously.

8 ) Missing any good features from v7 in the future? Or just avoiding any more bad features perhaps? It's a matter of point of view. What if the majority of players doesn't like v7 and the way where Drakolich takes Dota1? We have to go that way because nobody else works on the map?

9) Lastly, for last time: Don't morph Dota1 into Dota2. We can go and play Dota2 already. We are here to play Dota1, and if you force us to swallow this, we (Me) will simply abandon LA as it is, as it's not enjoyable anymore in this form.

Thanks!
We complain all we want as long as we dislike the map.
Im a mapmaker myself of Lords of Europe so i do know a few things about mapmaking and balancing.unlike you.
But whenever I made changes to the map, i always asked the players oppinions about it and made changes accordingly.so it stays fun. I never pushed it down on somebodies throat just because i could.
My opinion stands. The UI sucks, and dota2 sucks as well. Any changes made toward that direction is killing dota1.
The terrain change is Dota2, new runes, outposts are also directly copies from dota2.The new gold counter location and altogether the whole new UI also wanted to be dota2 (but it became just ugly compared to dota2). The new heroes are from dota2. new roshan location guees what? yes, dota2.

Every aspect, every change it is going for dota2 :)
At this point we can just simply delete war3 and go play dota2 :D. What is the difference after all?

Not all of those changes are bad however, the terrain indeed needed a change, since sentinel had advantage farming neutrals.
Heroes and skills also needed rebalance.
I support these.

In my opinion, the reason why the changes are going toward dota2 is because poor players with poor PC's can't afford to play Dota2. So now they have the option to do so, with lower poly graphics.

That Mars hero looks like Drakolich went up to hiveworkshop.com, checked hero models, and imported the first unit he saw with a spear/javelin. No effort, time and energy was used in this modelling. Just check out how Dota 2 Mars looks like and simply compare them.

From my point of view, keep the hero and skills changes, delete new runes, delete outposts, revert roshan location.
Change the terrain on sentinel or scourge site (should I say Radiant and Dire now?), to make a balanced way toward neutrals. And that's it.

Right now I personally stoped playing on war3, and went to play Dota2, since it's almost the same, and more beautiful.

I advice the same for everyone who's PC can run Dota2. Don't waste your time on this map anymore. Dota1 died with v7.

Have fun all, and see you!
And I really don't understand why all of you who support the new map, don't go and play Dota2. Better graphics, more smoother gameplay, regular and professional updates. It's super similar to the new map. You can shine there all you want, and become a paid pro player?
In the last 10 years Dota1 classic was pretty much the same, and guess what? We fucking loved it! As we played it for 10 years, we will play for another 10 without any problems. You all talk about moving forward, well, Dota moved forward with Dota2 long ago. Its you the ones who stayed behind for no reason. And now you are making classic dota1 become dota2 for no reason.
So tell me, why don't you go play Dota2 and leave us (old school players) alone to have fun here?

I just noticed the poll was closed as well. That's how much this server cares about it's players opinions.
So as a conclusion we everybody who are PRO and CONTRA for the new map can agree that, the map is going toward being Dota 2, in a war3 skin right?
The main question is therefore, if we want to play classic dota1 or a cheap copy of dota2 map, put into action in Dota1 graphics?

If you are PRO for the new map, why don't just move and play Dota2?
If you are CON for the new map, why even argue about what is bad in the new map, since its 90% Dota2?

This whole conversation is pointless therefore.

All of you so called ''pros'' who are listing tons of pro changes, and making fun of the classic dota1 loving players here on the forum: why didn't you go play Dota2 already long ago? Why I don't see your nicks in professional Dota2 teams and tournaments? Maybe you aren't ''pros'' in the sense of the word itself, but you are feeling comfy just to tell the ''noobs'' here on the forum, while thinking yourself some kind of skillfuly and morally superior players.

No you aren't. If you would be pros, you would play DOta2 already on big tournaments.making fame and money. But you don't. Meaning you are lowskill players, same as the rest of us.

So you can stop telling us what is good and what is bad, all the while insulting us being lowskill players, who don't know shit about the map.Couse you don't know shit neighter.

This map is killing classic Dota1, and morphing into Dota2.
The question is, who asked for this, why are we forced into this, and why are players even support this instead of just fucking off to play Dota2?
Why do we have to play Dota2 on both platforms? Valve and war3?

Drakolich: Your posts on this forum section are the proof of what a childish person you are. You aren't a mapmaker, just a copy-paster guy of Dota2, who took the money from players who wanted to support classic Dota1. Imagine their frustration when they saw this new map of yours. I don't think they all donated money for 'this'.

Well said man 👌
qqbabies with "too much dota2" arguments can go play 6.81, dont ever speak about any of my maps - get back to the classic.
I wont agree with "this is too much changes". There were just as big patches back to 2006-8, and nobody rly bothered, just moved on.
Also neutral items arent cornerstones of balancing for d2 for many reasons, it doesn't matter for us.

I'm curious, why don't you kept Dota 1 terrain and kept adding new stuff from Dota2?

Exactly my thoughts, big like for asking this.
At this point, if Drakolich would only implement the new hero (Mars), fix bugs, rebalance heroes skills and items, I would even welcome those changes. Not all are good for sure, but these changes can be and will be fixed in the future im confident.

What took away the Dota1 feeling, is the terrain changes (adding shrines/outposts, new runes, new roshan location) which are direct copies from Dota2, and the new UI. Rollback the terrain, rollback the UI, and from my part, the rest is fine.
To test 100+ heroes takes time anyway, and I'm sure the bugs/unbalanced heroes will be fixed later.

The game crashed for me as well pressing F9.

Again Drakolich, I understand your feelings when you are criticized, being a mapmaker myself, but try to take it as an adult, not as a child which is reflected in your forum answers.

I can only hope for a version, where both classic players and new map supporters are partly satisfied at least. That would be the rollback option in my opinion, at least you could make a test-map for this.
Old terrain, old UI, and new hero changes, bug fixes.
Great decision, now I can go back to climbing the ladder with my boy Corristo and hopefully all the greedy pro players are gone.

Give the players what they want, 6.83! LETS GO

Lol dude,long story short: pro players are playing DOta2 long ago. These so called pros here, just have a potato PC, and they cant run proper Dota2. So they are trying to morph Dota1 into Dota2.
I'm glad we can finally return to classic dota1, maybe Drakolich will change his mind and make a rollback for the UI and the terrain, so it can fit classic players desire as well. This would be a long run solution for both sides. But knowing him he won't rollback anything out of principle.
See you ingame lads!
Great decision !!!  I'm glad they heard the voice of the players.
Dota 1 is something what is unique and shouldn't be replaced with cheap versions of Dota 2. Admins and Map creators should separate Dota 1 and Dota 2 and consider in future to keep that way.The old classic Dota 1 is back, as most of the people wanted.
I'm very happy! Dota 1 and Dota 2 are two different stories which should be respected as they are. Mixing each other is making something which is not good for the both sides. Now we all go back to fight for our psr as we did before the new update. See you back in the game 6.90 !!! Classic Dota 1 is back !   ;D ;D :y: :y:
Have fun all! Greetings  :peace:

So talents are classic for you, extra slot for tp is classic for you, bounty runes are classic for you, new heroes are classic for you (mk, ww, earth spirit, oracle), new items like bloodthorn, glimmer, greaves etc. are classic for you???
You enjoy it because every year map is updating by something new, we will see how you will enjoy it when map doesnt update 10 years..
Draco make new terrain so by new terrain in future he can update a lot of new things (i think), by me its wise choice to do so, also new mechanics and staff way more better.

"New mechanics and stuff"
Hahaha I laughed so good at this! :D
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: grga_man on December 13, 2020, 20:10
@grga_man thoughts on the list of supporters

Im trully happy seeing daniel123 in that list, also im waiting charts of mordor to make it, its easier to watch statistic calculations via charts.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: hsakuragi on December 13, 2020, 20:18
After new patch i dont know which one i delete dota2 and turn back d1 for play 6.9. bec i like old dota with small changes. Simply, i would prefer dota2 instead of playing map 7.
-bazarci-
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Addict3d2net on December 13, 2020, 21:46
I vote for Dota 6.9 command to get back to normal, completely support you @mordor911
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 13, 2020, 22:13
I vote for Dota 6.9 command to get back to normal, completely support you @mordor911
Thank you for support, united we stand.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Sejtura on December 14, 2020, 00:45
@ksv @iErnesto94

3. Member must not insult users:
      Note: Arguing on the forum can be considered as spam.

I see many useres insult here... Is there anything we can do about it ?


https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705272.html#msg705272

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705272.html#msg705272

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705287.html#msg705287

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705343.html#msg705343

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705242.html#msg705242

Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 14, 2020, 01:16
+1
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705377.html#msg705377
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Tyrande on December 14, 2020, 01:49

I vote for Dota 6.9 command to get back to normal, completely support you @mordor911
Thank you for support, united we stand.

This is ridiculous

@ksv @iErnesto94

3. Member must not insult users:
      Note: Arguing on the forum can be considered as spam.

I see many useres insult here... Is there anything we can do about it ?


https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705272.html#msg705272

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705272.html#msg705272

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705287.html#msg705287

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705343.html#msg705343

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705242.html#msg705242

This topic is so amazing don't ruin the fun. SHOW MUST GO ON!!
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 14, 2020, 09:56
Let's address the fact that v7 won the poll when it came out, but it had to be pubbed using the !privobs command, something that mr. @mordor911 is just completely ignoring, shall we?

He just keeps spamming his useless data, and at the same time, calling out to arms literally the worst flamers and game ruiners with countless warns and bans on their accounts. Talk about creating a healthy gaming environment, eh?

But yeah, doing something about sarcasm is what's really important, right @Sejtura? As long as we keep the focus on the right things.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 14, 2020, 16:23
Let's address the fact that v7 won the poll when it came out, but it had to be pubbed using the !privobs command, something that mr. @mordor911 is just completely ignoring, shall we?

He just keeps spamming his useless data, and at the same time, calling out to arms literally the worst flamers and game ruiners with countless warns and bans on their accounts. Talk about creating a healthy gaming environment, eh?

But yeah, doing something about sarcasm is what's really important, right @Sejtura? As long as we keep the focus on the right things.

This isn't objective. Since many players who wanted v7 left we need to make another poll to see the % of v7 and v6 players
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 14, 2020, 19:04
question of the day @mordor911

Is god complex a mental disorder?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: ExpertNoob on December 14, 2020, 20:52
If @rL-Valter agrees on Mordor911's topic, I will simply agree too. He is just the man to be followed from my perspective.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: begin on December 14, 2020, 22:27
Come on guys, it is time to support something we like! 70% games and players are Dota6.9 players. Your voice matters!
@TooShade  @Arthas  @phaq  @Rob_Real  @Addict3d2net  @Viperchoko  @Noci  @JODA  @North_Legionare  @zvonko  @ebyy  @Sejanus  @epic90   @Corristo  @alien1  @Never_give_Up  @m3thead  @fearspp  @fabricamp3  @Simke  @milosmiladinovic  @^Less_Apaches^ @cicibucna  @M-PackeT T @rL-Valter  @kontra.danf @hypothalamus  @Dark_Tauren n @Ditya-Ra  @sandro_max  @phenomenalone  @[happy]man @daniel123  @ebacha  @ibraa10  @tzk  @HI][MAN @silvan  @manokerrr  @melih06  @blakchole  @dzuka1  @lor350  @Phantom_mkd  @hsakuragi @funnylol @Sejanus @fortepsai @Mara @fabricamp3 @begin@BestMurlocPlay @boyka15

Hear my call

HEAR HIS CALL, PEASANTS

@begin how do you feel being one of the mordors' boys? Share your thoughts with us

I feel great for being in the same group with my friend @Mara who is not a gay
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: AGENT on December 14, 2020, 23:39
I agree with bluewhale.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 15, 2020, 03:22
Week #1

ALL GAMES CALCULATED IN THE LAST 7 DAYS SINCE DEFAULT MAP CHANGE
AND AFTER ADVANTAGE  HAS BEEN GIVEN TO MINORITY MAP Dota7
to1000 are taken games from day8 for total of 1000games played statistic.

- Day1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 95 - 11 = 84 games
Dota7 - draw = 55 - 6 = 49 games

- Day2 part1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 67 - 9 = 58 games
Dota7 - draw = 53 - 13 = 40 games
- Day2 part2:
Dota6.9 - draw = 42 - 2 = 40 games
Dota7 - draw = 35 - 3 = 32 games

- Day3:
Dota6.9 - draw = 79 - 3 = 76  games
Dota7 - draw = 61 - 8 = 53 games

- Day4:
Dota6.9 - draw = 88 - 5 = 83 games
Dota7 - draw = 64 - 16 = 48 games

- Day5:
Dota6.9 - draw = 90 - 8 = 82 games
Dota7 - draw = 56 - 9 = 45 games

- Day6:
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 7 =  84 games
Dota7 - draw = 62 - 9 = 53 games

- Day7:
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 5 = 86 games
Dota7 - draw = 59 - 6 = 53 games

- to1000:
Dota6.9 - draw = 22 - 2 = 20 games
Dota7 - draw = 18 - 4 = 14 games

Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 = 84+58+40+76+83+82+84+86+20= 613 map6.9 games finished

Dota7 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 =
49+40+32+53+48+45+53+53+14= 387 map7.0 games finished


Total games played in last 7 days since default map change with 2 pages to get thousand games played = 613+387= 1000
For sure 5%-15% games are result of default dota7 map autopick on !pub command. 61% games at this moment are dota6.9 while real balance is for sure over 65% for dota6.9. Main question is without this help from !pub command does dota7 have over 30% of total games at all?

Week #2

- Day1:

Dota6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 5 pages 144 games:
21/30
23/30
20/30
20/30
15/24


Dota6.9/games played 21+23+20+20+15 = 99/144 Dota6.9 games played

Dota7/games played 09+07+10+10+09 = 45/144 Dota7 games played


Dota6.9 = 99 games
Dota7    = 45 games




(https://i.imgur.com/9dQKzjy.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/40p4I4u.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/hrXiZRF.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/VH4m23e.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/mqnnZwT.png)
No comment! Nothing to add... Not even a 1/3 for Dota7  .i.

- Day2:
Dota6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 6 pages are 180 games:
21/30
18/30
18/30
17/30
17/30
18/30

21+18+18+17+17+18 = 109/180 Dota6.9 games and 9+12+12+13+13+12 = 71/180 Dota7 games
Dota6.9 = 109 games
Dota7    = 71 games

(https://i.imgur.com/2Ej3XHd.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ixQ3BKx.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Y0C3p4e.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/nmKAfxK.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ieTgNSG.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/PMyKhWb.png)




Let's address the fact that v7 won the poll when it came out, but it had to be pubbed using the !privobs command, something that mr. mordor911 is just completely ignoring, shall we?
Lagabuse/dota.eurobattle.net belongs to Dota6.9 and with 2/3 games and 2/3 players it will be default again, or we will have separated leagues. Dota7 lost the poll when it came out. And with 1/3 player base and 1/3 from total dota games the very same event is coming :peace:
(https://i.imgur.com/miFibNc.png)
Consider yourself ready to move on to that unknown amazing server with 6000 Dota7 players with 18000 Dota7 games daily. Go advertise it, I want to see where is that to wish you good luck when you move there.

He just keeps spamming his useless data, and at the same time, calling out to arms literally the worst flamers and game ruiners with countless warns and bans on their accounts. Talk about creating a healthy gaming environment, eh?
All data posted by me is related with this topic while posts from your the Lobbying groups are only insults and spam. That forest culture from some village hidden deep in the mountains... All toxic and bad players had moved to Dota7, so we are clean and with a new league you will barely have 25% players to play with you that shit Dota7. I'm calling good players and good people, they are all equal and normal players.

But yeah, doing something about sarcasm is what's really important, right Sejtura? As long as we keep the focus on the right things.
Savages are supposed to be banned and their useless data should be removed in this topic.

This isn't objective. Since many players who wanted v7 left we need to make another poll to see the % of v7 and v6 players
18000 daily games played on www.HappyGrgaMan.org. Why to waste time to play Dota7 here where 18000 games and 6000 players are waiting you.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Arthas on December 15, 2020, 04:05
having 2 separate league 2 channels is very bad idea and it will not happen even in your dreams....

it will not only reduce players mass it will also kill their new beloved map version 7....and it is the future plan for the server from their point of view....

in my opinion:

1-both maps should receive updates (somehow regardless of someone says no more updates).

2-as for the map used as main in commands ...i suggest you keep 6.90 as your front....there are players from dota2 in this server and they come for classic dota ...and version 6.90 is the closest to the word classic.

i do not deny any efforts of anyone ....i just say your efforts maybe misplaced .



and wtf are those toxic comments when someone talks in the discussion...as if dogs unleashed  ...this is last time i take part in clowns show like this.....fuck you all ...specially the v.i.p and donators ass kissers who needs this .!.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 15, 2020, 04:19
Some useful posts from previous topics:
Quote from: boyka on August 01, 2020, 10:33
This new map is unbalanced, lot of changes some heroes are retarded like bear huskar and some heroes are shit like tuskar for exsample you got stuck in your owne ice talents degrated just sheat. Good things are healing pools and warkey in the game. Just to much changes in one version. I am playing dota for 15 years and this much changes is like a new game to me i dont wona play lol or dota 2 cuz i like dota1 and am used to its grafics and gameplay, and with this map its no longer dota 1. Than i dont see any point playing this game on this server we can play dota 2?
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,197563.msg702434.html#msg702434

Quote from: boyka on August 01, 2020, 11:09
No good players have been left since the new map was played.
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,197563.msg702436.html#msg702436

Quote from: fortepsai on August 02, 2020, 03:51
New version has too many heroes out of balance .. it looks like alpha or some early beta stage . sorry but i dont like it to be honest .

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,191431.0.html
Quote from: Sejanus
Map is SHIT, bring back the old one.

Retarded colours... too many coins, f pointless shrines,

total BULLSHIT.

Quote from: Sejanus
It's like permanent "em" game,

some gets over farmed really quick,

alch was level 23, when our ursa was just 9, seems like less exp in the woods, more on the lane?

Quote from: Jimmy
I had a mental breakdown when i saw what you did to my boy.
Implementing Balance, adding heroes/skills/items , fixing mechanics , all the things one could do.
But changing the UI completely, to what end, if someone wanted to play Valve's DotA, he will go ahead and do that. Same goes for LoL,HoS and all the other copy cats that emerged from the holes over the years.
Again, Balancing, Implementing new Spells/Items and similar, removing Buggs from previous versions, all the strong suits a map developer can strive to when given such a nice Platform as IceFrog's DotA.
Talents gave it a Flare , few transfered Heroes, allright. But other than that workload should be focused on above mentioned things.

Metaphorically , you were given a Ferarri, and over the years u managed to put a Lada engine in it, and now ,you painted it pink.

Quote from: m3thead
this map is like Corona virus, u hate it but have to go with the flow... PS Jimmy said it so well, old school map whatsoever kept w3 installed, I am afraid delete time is finally near after nearly 20 years.  ( FUCK DOTA 2 ANGRY FACE).... ;

Quote from: Dark_Tauren
This map kills dota 1. I am off...

Quote from: funnylol
I barely handle this talent version which make this game so unbalanced i dont say it was balanced before but for sure didnt make gameplay better.That shit wood map is for sure not anymore game we did know.I wont write much about this map becouse i played few times but it makes me just angry minimap is broken for sure color of heroes are wrong and i dont know shit from it,i cant bind ctrl for tp hotkey,AND THE WORSE SHIT CHANGING WOODS ADDING SHRINES AND BOUNTY RUNES.I think it made this game much easier like everyone got too much gold full items everywhere thats sad its like apem.I m not sure if i stop play this map or not but i got a feeling i will look for places where i can play olders maps even before talent version would be nice.

Quote from: Noci
The Dota 1 classic game is ruined with the new update !! Totally...
If we want to play dota2 we will play dota 2 !!
We want the Dota 1 classic game!! Give us the old Dota1 back !!
I agree with that guy who says that the new update is cheap version of dota 2.
I don't know where to look.. i feel like i play LoL.. gold is bottom, heroes top .. etc..
wtf is that with 3 fountains?!? New heroes imported from dota 2 ?  whyy?
Please don't ruin what is unique !! Reconsider that desicion about the new update !
Rubick is killing mort with ease ?? Come on that makes no sense... why should i play after the new map update lookalike dota2 ? You all have to worry about quitting playing dota on lagabuse.. don't let that happen !!
Think about this... Who ever wants to play dota2 , he can play... Dota 1 is the classic version we want to play.. since the new update was released i am not playing anymore.. and i am fan of dota 1 classic.. i want to play again the old dota1..

Quote from: Dark3r
wtf is this honestly it isnt like dota 1 or dota 2 it looks like fucking dota 3 nothing is the same

Quote from: Sejanus
New map not the whole new millennial system.
Icefrog at least was consistent.

A few rational thoughts
- we should give the map a chance for some time and give constructive feedback if you want to change something for the better
- v7 is not even final yet, a temporary reversal back to v6 is not a problem
- like Icefrog dota was the-map back in the day, d1stats is the-map today. When Icefrog did something bad we just had to accept it and move on, now it is at least possible to contact the developer directly and give feedback, whether it is accepted or not.
- staying on v6, if decided by the community, is not a viable long term solution unless there would be some kind of an LTS program for that version. Even then, we would miss any good features coming after v7.


I think we should stay on v7 for a few weeks, collect feedback and then decide if we go back to v6 for a period of time, stay on v7 or what the next steps should be. If there is no consensus within community one side will have to give in since hosting both versions is not an option, it will diminish the available player pool and make lobbies longer.

Just a few thoughts about this.
1) Our problem is not to move on with the map. Over the last 10 years, we always had new heroes added, new skills, new items, and minor map changes. But they all came step by step, while always staying loyal to the main concepts. They were just furbishing the game. Obviously mistakes were made, unbalances were fixed later.
We adapted and learnt the new ways. This is NOT our problem.

2) Our PROBLEM is that this map wants to make DOTA2 from DOTA1, and it's unacceptable for me, and for others also.

3)I dont like and don't want DOTA2 MAP terrain in dota1. No need to copy paste it, new runes, outposts new roshan location. No need, and no like. I don't know who asked for it ever.

4) The new user interface is a catastrophe as it is. Everything is bigger, takes too much of the screen, icons are misslocated, minimap change also dislike.

5)If you want to add new heroes have my upvote! If you want heroes rebalances GOOD. New items? FINE. Keep the rest as it was, classic UI, classic terrain (minor changes are ok if really needed).

6) The game feels like APEM. Easy and fast farm. everybody is having expensive items after 20 minutes, this reduces the importance of gangs and farming skills for individual players.

7) Make a POLL, let's see how many players would like to play v6 or v7. Or make it possible for us, classic dota1 players, to play v6 again. If we can play both maps simultaneously.

8 ) Missing any good features from v7 in the future? Or just avoiding any more bad features perhaps? It's a matter of point of view. What if the majority of players doesn't like v7 and the way where Drakolich takes Dota1? We have to go that way because nobody else works on the map?

9) Lastly, for last time: Don't morph Dota1 into Dota2. We can go and play Dota2 already. We are here to play Dota1, and if you force us to swallow this, we (Me) will simply abandon LA as it is, as it's not enjoyable anymore in this form.

Thanks!

+++ To all that. (Like russians say...)

Had one game yesterday, which lasted 85 minutes, no side was able to finish it. Game was extremely random, and chaotic, communication was zero.

Loads of people are completely lost, and can't see shit on the map, you can ping them 100 times, and nobody sees nothing still.

Solo stat playing is for now 200% increased as it's easier to gank clueless, and lost players with new overpowered heroes like morph.

Yeah woods are not as good as used to be, which maybe is good, maybe not.

Free wards makes no sense, still most player's can't even place them, or help you de-ward. Everything blamed on support. While growing a support character seems much harder now with all the selfish players. They still refuse to gank, or attack and only farm on sides.

Loads of new Russian players? There was some merge, or something? I find it extremely hard to communicate with them, ignorant bastards they are. (Not all tho)

Only plus side I found is that the gold from coins is shared, rs timer on the top is not so bad, but too much in the face, I loved to check the time on the score board, still find myself opening it for no reason.

Go with the poll already, if possible - just to see where we stand, while keeping new nuts millenial chaotic version atm.

I really believe this version has personality disorder, and looks like mental break down.

So far haven't even won one game, it's like random team wins at random time now.

40min of mid pushes stopped by simple techies was quite painful🤪

i was expecting new heroes new items like vessel and old type dota
but i didnt like that
i delete dota2 for new patch (too many changes)
now im gonna do same for dota1 too
im done with that hf everyone
bazarci out :)

pfff the new map is very boring. i played just a one time and i delete this game if u dont change this last 7.00 shit map. please return last map or i think you will lose a lot of player. map can be change but not so. please dont change old map.

what a weak naga siren why you change that heros skills idk and i lost a lot of shortcut skill.

if u love this last map please give us 2 alternative and we play old map.

Isn't it clear yet? Half the community hate the map? Give us the poll to show it in %.

Same arguments are for - as against the new map😁 exactly the same ones.

If 60% + vote for the new map I will shut up and try harder.

Maybe the problem is not the new map, but too many changes aka too huge jump/step of added new stuff at the same time, it's like a completely different game.

Gradual change would give people time to get used to it, and wouldn't cause the mass leaving now.

I dont like the map, for few reasons, there are no different colors for each side on the minimap.
I do not like gold placeholder possiotion at all, its overlapping with titles from items or spells .
About the characters i still have not played with many but already find out that pugna can just spam his life steal ulti which is totally rubbish .
In terms of wards which are for free, yet again i do not agree with it, its way too childish .

Give us old map,this new map is bullshit,i think many players will stop playing..We would all happy if you can give us old map!

Seems like most players want the old one, make a poll?

Pool made
Included wild card [icefrog's last map] ,because there has been alot of talk of "oldschool" dota around since latest Drako's map , so i included a real Oldschool map in the vote [ignore if reasons] , also few platforms use IceFrog maps so another reason to include as wild card.
For other Two choices, preety much Latest map-Previous Map due active conversation progress.

And the poll is gone🥺

Given to us just to take it away🤪

Not cool😁 even if it had no effect it was nice to see that 65%+ agree this version went too far 😬 😅

I stopped playing since upgraded to new map.  Because everything changed to dota2. Im an old school player so i didnt liked dota2. I was playing here for old days just because dota was stil like 'dota1'

Poll will be opened over the weekend and stay open for a few days. Then we will decide what to do depending on the results (with staff having the last word, consider this a consultation poll). By that time everyone should have plenty enough time to play the map (almost two weeks) and evaluate.

To keep it simple, I propose we just have options to stay on v7 or go back to v6. That will decide what will be played for the near future until v7 is released in full. Meaning we will need to make a second more permanent decision sometime in the autumn.

there is something you forgot. during that time everyone will have forgotten the game because we decided already we never play that shit 7.00 version map. i like innovations but just good innovations. you still insist about that 7.00 map it is hard to understand this.

Soo many games now that one player owes without even having items😁

Definitely something is not right with some of the heroes.

😁Didn't ever see 40+ kills on single hero before, now like every tenth game someone gets greedy enough, and map allows him to, and the gap of levels makes it way easier to grief play, and ruin the game for others.

It's support solo stat play not the team as you guys think😁

Also waiting for a game seems way longer now, already some players have left?

I think this 7.00 is really hard to all, It's not real DotA because everything (almost 70% of map comprising textures / Options Menu / heroes skills and whole map system) totally changed. Just reverte back to 6.90, acutally the best vesrion in my opinion (not offensive, just personal opinion, but I'm sure some others agree too).

To much changes, just to much for one version dont like it!!!

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6313955

another example, rubick lose 2 towers mid early game to "sylla", to his BEAR actually.

and BEAR owes heroes better than hero itself.

Another RETARDED change.

Dude honestly I don't give a shit if I have to use !pub or !publ comand. If I can host/join 6.9 it doesn't really matter. I already told my opinion about v7, so I have nothing to add here... The moment they remove 6.9, I stop playing on LA. easy as that.
Anyway, all pros left to play dota 2 for money long ago, those who stayed here are playing for nostalgia (like me), or they have potato PC to play Dota 2. Happy and the other tits sucking kids can just fuck right off, I won't even bother reading their giberish here.

Peace, see you ingame.

Ok, my first impression is, that this new map sucks hard. Give us an option to host 6.9 version, or just throw this rubbish into the bin. If I want to play Dota 2, I go and play Dota 2. No need to ''upgrade'' it into this. Thank you very much drakolich, for fucking up our classic dota 1 map. Sometimes LESS is MORE, and in this case, it's totally true. Lost all my interest in playing this trash just after one game. Super disappointed.
You'll have to give more information on why you think the new version is bad, saying the new map just "sucks" won't get you anywhere.
If you don't understand the new map and need to learn how the new stuff work then it's not because the map "sucks", it's because you need to adapt to the new fresh patch and stop doing the same things (picking same heroes, going same item build, same strategies etc.) which you were previously doing in the last patch.

It's not about learning new stuff. The map simply sucks because the new UI, the way it looks. The player ''interface''. Why couldn't he keep the classic interface of the game, and just implement the hero balances, new heroes and other upgrades. What bothers me the most, is the new interface which is annoyingly informative, the whole screen is filled with unnecessary information, while he moved BIG YELLOW GOLD counter bottom right for no reason. I feel like sitting behind a fighter jet, looking left and right while everything being more annoying than informative.

The map lost it's classic feeling, it's a cheap copy of dota 2. We don't want dota2 in warcraft3 ok? We want dota1, CLASSIC dota1!
love it!
"unneccessary information"
yeah, it's really annoying when you can see your enemies list, it's better play with eyes closed to not receive any excessive information, just use your ears
"gold label down the way"
hell yeah, keep playing your 13" desktop. it's such a pain in the ass to move eyes top-down all the time you try to buy a thing. Hope your eyeballs are fine there.

Drakolich, just roll back the interface as it was, but keep the hero and terrain changes. Like it or not, but you fucked up the interface hard. This is my opinion, and sorry if it hurts you. I know you probably won't give a shit, and just keep it this way, rather than acknowledge the players opinions and make some changes, but I HAVE to tell it anyway. Take it as a feedback, and make the changes accordingly. I will check back, when I get back my classic dota1. At this stage, the map is not enjoyable for me.
A few rational thoughts
- we should give the map a chance for some time and give constructive feedback if you want to change something for the better
- v7 is not even final yet, a temporary reversal back to v6 is not a problem
- like Icefrog dota was the-map back in the day, d1stats is the-map today. When Icefrog did something bad we just had to accept it and move on, now it is at least possible to contact the developer directly and give feedback, whether it is accepted or not.
- staying on v6, if decided by the community, is not a viable long term solution unless there would be some kind of an LTS program for that version. Even then, we would miss any good features coming after v7.


I think we should stay on v7 for a few weeks, collect feedback and then decide if we go back to v6 for a period of time, stay on v7 or what the next steps should be. If there is no consensus within community one side will have to give in since hosting both versions is not an option, it will diminish the available player pool and make lobbies longer.

Just a few thoughts about this.
1) Our problem is not to move on with the map. Over the last 10 years, we always had new heroes added, new skills, new items, and minor map changes. But they all came step by step, while always staying loyal to the main concepts. They were just furbishing the game. Obviously mistakes were made, unbalances were fixed later.
We adapted and learnt the new ways. This is NOT our problem.

2) Our PROBLEM is that this map wants to make DOTA2 from DOTA1, and it's unacceptable for me, and for others also.

3)I dont like and don't want DOTA2 MAP terrain in dota1. No need to copy paste it, new runes, outposts new roshan location. No need, and no like. I don't know who asked for it ever.

4) The new user interface is a catastrophe as it is. Everything is bigger, takes too much of the screen, icons are misslocated, minimap change also dislike.

5)If you want to add new heroes have my upvote! If you want heroes rebalances GOOD. New items? FINE. Keep the rest as it was, classic UI, classic terrain (minor changes are ok if really needed).

6) The game feels like APEM. Easy and fast farm. everybody is having expensive items after 20 minutes, this reduces the importance of gangs and farming skills for individual players.

7) Make a POLL, let's see how many players would like to play v6 or v7. Or make it possible for us, classic dota1 players, to play v6 again. If we can play both maps simultaneously.

8 ) Missing any good features from v7 in the future? Or just avoiding any more bad features perhaps? It's a matter of point of view. What if the majority of players doesn't like v7 and the way where Drakolich takes Dota1? We have to go that way because nobody else works on the map?

9) Lastly, for last time: Don't morph Dota1 into Dota2. We can go and play Dota2 already. We are here to play Dota1, and if you force us to swallow this, we (Me) will simply abandon LA as it is, as it's not enjoyable anymore in this form.

Thanks!
We complain all we want as long as we dislike the map.
Im a mapmaker myself of Lords of Europe so i do know a few things about mapmaking and balancing.unlike you.
But whenever I made changes to the map, i always asked the players oppinions about it and made changes accordingly.so it stays fun. I never pushed it down on somebodies throat just because i could.
My opinion stands. The UI sucks, and dota2 sucks as well. Any changes made toward that direction is killing dota1.
The terrain change is Dota2, new runes, outposts are also directly copies from dota2.The new gold counter location and altogether the whole new UI also wanted to be dota2 (but it became just ugly compared to dota2). The new heroes are from dota2. new roshan location guees what? yes, dota2.

Every aspect, every change it is going for dota2 :)
At this point we can just simply delete war3 and go play dota2 :D. What is the difference after all?

Not all of those changes are bad however, the terrain indeed needed a change, since sentinel had advantage farming neutrals.
Heroes and skills also needed rebalance.
I support these.

In my opinion, the reason why the changes are going toward dota2 is because poor players with poor PC's can't afford to play Dota2. So now they have the option to do so, with lower poly graphics.

That Mars hero looks like Drakolich went up to hiveworkshop.com, checked hero models, and imported the first unit he saw with a spear/javelin. No effort, time and energy was used in this modelling. Just check out how Dota 2 Mars looks like and simply compare them.

From my point of view, keep the hero and skills changes, delete new runes, delete outposts, revert roshan location.
Change the terrain on sentinel or scourge site (should I say Radiant and Dire now?), to make a balanced way toward neutrals. And that's it.

Right now I personally stoped playing on war3, and went to play Dota2, since it's almost the same, and more beautiful.

I advice the same for everyone who's PC can run Dota2. Don't waste your time on this map anymore. Dota1 died with v7.

Have fun all, and see you!
And I really don't understand why all of you who support the new map, don't go and play Dota2. Better graphics, more smoother gameplay, regular and professional updates. It's super similar to the new map. You can shine there all you want, and become a paid pro player?
In the last 10 years Dota1 classic was pretty much the same, and guess what? We fucking loved it! As we played it for 10 years, we will play for another 10 without any problems. You all talk about moving forward, well, Dota moved forward with Dota2 long ago. Its you the ones who stayed behind for no reason. And now you are making classic dota1 become dota2 for no reason.
So tell me, why don't you go play Dota2 and leave us (old school players) alone to have fun here?

I just noticed the poll was closed as well. That's how much this server cares about it's players opinions.
So as a conclusion we everybody who are PRO and CONTRA for the new map can agree that, the map is going toward being Dota 2, in a war3 skin right?
The main question is therefore, if we want to play classic dota1 or a cheap copy of dota2 map, put into action in Dota1 graphics?

If you are PRO for the new map, why don't just move and play Dota2?
If you are CON for the new map, why even argue about what is bad in the new map, since its 90% Dota2?

This whole conversation is pointless therefore.

All of you so called ''pros'' who are listing tons of pro changes, and making fun of the classic dota1 loving players here on the forum: why didn't you go play Dota2 already long ago? Why I don't see your nicks in professional Dota2 teams and tournaments? Maybe you aren't ''pros'' in the sense of the word itself, but you are feeling comfy just to tell the ''noobs'' here on the forum, while thinking yourself some kind of skillfuly and morally superior players.

No you aren't. If you would be pros, you would play DOta2 already on big tournaments.making fame and money. But you don't. Meaning you are lowskill players, same as the rest of us.

So you can stop telling us what is good and what is bad, all the while insulting us being lowskill players, who don't know shit about the map.Couse you don't know shit neighter.

This map is killing classic Dota1, and morphing into Dota2.
The question is, who asked for this, why are we forced into this, and why are players even support this instead of just fucking off to play Dota2?
Why do we have to play Dota2 on both platforms? Valve and war3?

Drakolich: Your posts on this forum section are the proof of what a childish person you are. You aren't a mapmaker, just a copy-paster guy of Dota2, who took the money from players who wanted to support classic Dota1. Imagine their frustration when they saw this new map of yours. I don't think they all donated money for 'this'.

Well said man 👌
qqbabies with "too much dota2" arguments can go play 6.81, dont ever speak about any of my maps - get back to the classic.
I wont agree with "this is too much changes". There were just as big patches back to 2006-8, and nobody rly bothered, just moved on.
Also neutral items arent cornerstones of balancing for d2 for many reasons, it doesn't matter for us.

I'm curious, why don't you kept Dota 1 terrain and kept adding new stuff from Dota2?

Exactly my thoughts, big like for asking this.
At this point, if Drakolich would only implement the new hero (Mars), fix bugs, rebalance heroes skills and items, I would even welcome those changes. Not all are good for sure, but these changes can be and will be fixed in the future im confident.

What took away the Dota1 feeling, is the terrain changes (adding shrines/outposts, new runes, new roshan location) which are direct copies from Dota2, and the new UI. Rollback the terrain, rollback the UI, and from my part, the rest is fine.
To test 100+ heroes takes time anyway, and I'm sure the bugs/unbalanced heroes will be fixed later.

The game crashed for me as well pressing F9.

Again Drakolich, I understand your feelings when you are criticized, being a mapmaker myself, but try to take it as an adult, not as a child which is reflected in your forum answers.

I can only hope for a version, where both classic players and new map supporters are partly satisfied at least. That would be the rollback option in my opinion, at least you could make a test-map for this.
Old terrain, old UI, and new hero changes, bug fixes.
Great decision, now I can go back to climbing the ladder with my boy Corristo and hopefully all the greedy pro players are gone.

Give the players what they want, 6.83! LETS GO

Lol dude,long story short: pro players are playing DOta2 long ago. These so called pros here, just have a potato PC, and they cant run proper Dota2. So they are trying to morph Dota1 into Dota2.
I'm glad we can finally return to classic dota1, maybe Drakolich will change his mind and make a rollback for the UI and the terrain, so it can fit classic players desire as well. This would be a long run solution for both sides. But knowing him he won't rollback anything out of principle.
See you ingame lads!
Great decision !!!  I'm glad they heard the voice of the players.
Dota 1 is something what is unique and shouldn't be replaced with cheap versions of Dota 2. Admins and Map creators should separate Dota 1 and Dota 2 and consider in future to keep that way.The old classic Dota 1 is back, as most of the people wanted.
I'm very happy! Dota 1 and Dota 2 are two different stories which should be respected as they are. Mixing each other is making something which is not good for the both sides. Now we all go back to fight for our psr as we did before the new update. See you back in the game 6.90 !!! Classic Dota 1 is back !   ;D ;D :y: :y:
Have fun all! Greetings  :peace:

So talents are classic for you, extra slot for tp is classic for you, bounty runes are classic for you, new heroes are classic for you (mk, ww, earth spirit, oracle), new items like bloodthorn, glimmer, greaves etc. are classic for you???
You enjoy it because every year map is updating by something new, we will see how you will enjoy it when map doesnt update 10 years..
Draco make new terrain so by new terrain in future he can update a lot of new things (i think), by me its wise choice to do so, also new mechanics and staff way more better.

"New mechanics and stuff"
Hahaha I laughed so good at this! :D
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 15, 2020, 04:51
having 2 separate league 2 channels is very bad idea and it will not happen even in your dreams....
This will make more competitive ladder and games. You Arthas will be on 1st page on Ladder. No logic in sharing ladder with Dota7 players , you can play both leagues to be at top on both ladders.

it will not only reduce players mass it will also kill their new beloved map version 7....and it is the future plan for the server from their point of view....
People from the Lobbying Dota7 group worked hard since 1st day on removing Dota6.9, and they want to play without Dota6.9. The easiest and the most simple way to grant them their wish is to separate 2 games, Dota7.0 is cheap version of Dota2 so no point to share the same ladder with Dota6.9. No point to be in the same box, you can not use the same ladder for Call of Duty and Counter Strike game, same situation is here.
Consequences are possible, Dota7 fans will have 20-30 games every day with own ladder. If Dota7 die, who cares, there is unknown Dota7 server with over 18000 games daily and with over 6000 players.
If 2 maps can work at the same time, it will be easy job to just split 2 games into 2 leagues with 2 ladders.

in my opinion:

1-both maps should receive updates (somehow regardless of someone says no more updates).

2-as for the map used as main in commands ...i suggest you keep 6.90 as your front....there are players from dota2 in this server and they come for classic dota ...and version 6.90 is the closest to the word classic.

i do not deny any efforts of anyone ....i just say your efforts maybe misplaced .
Its time to get back !pub command to Dota6.9. Agree, not hard to see a difference between Dota1 and Dota2 aka Dota7
Dracol1ch is map developer and he will not work anymore on Dota6.9. Everything important is already done on Dota6.9, everyone is already used to map and the best experience which Dota can offer we already have.

and wtf are those toxic comments when someone talks in the discussion...as if dogs unleashed  ...this is last time i take part in clowns show like this.....fuck you all ...specially the v.i.p and donators ass kissers who needs this .!.
They are robots and spambots, savages who only spam with nonTopic-related bullshit or they insult Dota6.9 players.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 15, 2020, 05:27
be on the lookout for @mordor911 new book release titled Dear Cen

Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 15, 2020, 13:54
where my dota7 lobbying group at? @MarvinJunior round up the boys
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 15, 2020, 14:33
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1-both maps should receive updates (somehow regardless of someone says no more updates).

Agree, i give you 1 month to fix tuskar and riki bugs and other. Then we all can enjoy best dota
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Tyrande on December 15, 2020, 15:13

Let's address the fact that v7 won the poll when it came out, but it had to be pubbed using the !privobs command, something that mr. mordor911 is just completely ignoring, shall we?
Lagabuse/dota.eurobattle.net belongs to Dota6.9 and with 2/3 games and 2/3 players it will be default again, or we will have separated leagues. Dota7 lost the poll when it came out. And with 1/3 player base and 1/3 from total dota games the very same event is coming :peace:
(https://i.imgur.com/miFibNc.png)





I am not sure if are mentaly dissabled or what but stop deceive yourself with lies. 7.0 WON THE POOL after removing fake votes from you and your faithfull supporters


(https://i.imgur.com/f5AAqTM.png)



He just keeps spamming his useless data, and at the same time, calling out to arms literally the worst flamers and game ruiners with countless warns and bans on their accounts. Talk about creating a healthy gaming environment, eh?
All data posted by me is related with this topic while posts from your the Lobbying groups are only insults and spam. That forest culture from some village hidden deep in the mountains... All toxic and bad players had moved to Dota7, so we are clean and with a new league you will barely have 25% players to play with you that shit Dota7. I'm calling good players and good people, they are all equal and normal players.

Says an BEYOND SPAMER. Honestly I am not sure if u are aware of your stupidity in those posts wich u just throw randomly.


But yeah, doing something about sarcasm is what's really important, right Sejtura? As long as we keep the focus on the right things.
Savages are supposed to be banned and their useless data should be removed in this topic.


Ofc remove all the facts and let only his retarded novels.

Some useful posts from previous topics:
Quote from: boyka on August 01, 2020, 10:33
This new map is unbalanced, lot of changes some heroes are retarded like bear huskar and some heroes are shit like tuskar for exsample you got stuck in your owne ice talents degrated just sheat. Good things are healing pools and warkey in the game. Just to much changes in one version. I am playing dota for 15 years and this much changes is like a new game to me i dont wona play lol or dota 2 cuz i like dota1 and am used to its grafics and gameplay, and with this map its no longer dota 1. Than i dont see any point playing this game on this server we can play dota 2?
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,197563.msg702434.html#msg702434

Quote from: boyka on August 01, 2020, 11:09
No good players have been left since the new map was played.
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,197563.msg702436.html#msg702436

Quote from: fortepsai on August 02, 2020, 03:51
New version has too many heroes out of balance .. it looks like alpha or some early beta stage . sorry but i dont like it to be honest .

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,191431.0.html
Quote from: Sejanus
Map is SHIT, bring back the old one.

Retarded colours... too many coins, f pointless shrines,

total BULLSHIT.

Quote from: Sejanus
It's like permanent "em" game,

some gets over farmed really quick,

alch was level 23, when our ursa was just 9, seems like less exp in the woods, more on the lane?

Quote from: Jimmy
I had a mental breakdown when i saw what you did to my boy.
Implementing Balance, adding heroes/skills/items , fixing mechanics , all the things one could do.
But changing the UI completely, to what end, if someone wanted to play Valve's DotA, he will go ahead and do that. Same goes for LoL,HoS and all the other copy cats that emerged from the holes over the years.
Again, Balancing, Implementing new Spells/Items and similar, removing Buggs from previous versions, all the strong suits a map developer can strive to when given such a nice Platform as IceFrog's DotA.
Talents gave it a Flare , few transfered Heroes, allright. But other than that workload should be focused on above mentioned things.

Metaphorically , you were given a Ferarri, and over the years u managed to put a Lada engine in it, and now ,you painted it pink.

Quote from: m3thead
this map is like Corona virus, u hate it but have to go with the flow... PS Jimmy said it so well, old school map whatsoever kept w3 installed, I am afraid delete time is finally near after nearly 20 years.  ( FUCK DOTA 2 ANGRY FACE).... ;

Quote from: Dark_Tauren
This map kills dota 1. I am off...

Quote from: funnylol
I barely handle this talent version which make this game so unbalanced i dont say it was balanced before but for sure didnt make gameplay better.That shit wood map is for sure not anymore game we did know.I wont write much about this map becouse i played few times but it makes me just angry minimap is broken for sure color of heroes are wrong and i dont know shit from it,i cant bind ctrl for tp hotkey,AND THE WORSE SHIT CHANGING WOODS ADDING SHRINES AND BOUNTY RUNES.I think it made this game much easier like everyone got too much gold full items everywhere thats sad its like apem.I m not sure if i stop play this map or not but i got a feeling i will look for places where i can play olders maps even before talent version would be nice.

Quote from: Noci
The Dota 1 classic game is ruined with the new update !! Totally...
If we want to play dota2 we will play dota 2 !!
We want the Dota 1 classic game!! Give us the old Dota1 back !!
I agree with that guy who says that the new update is cheap version of dota 2.
I don't know where to look.. i feel like i play LoL.. gold is bottom, heroes top .. etc..
wtf is that with 3 fountains?!? New heroes imported from dota 2 ?  whyy?
Please don't ruin what is unique !! Reconsider that desicion about the new update !
Rubick is killing mort with ease ?? Come on that makes no sense... why should i play after the new map update lookalike dota2 ? You all have to worry about quitting playing dota on lagabuse.. don't let that happen !!
Think about this... Who ever wants to play dota2 , he can play... Dota 1 is the classic version we want to play.. since the new update was released i am not playing anymore.. and i am fan of dota 1 classic.. i want to play again the old dota1..

Quote from: Dark3r
wtf is this honestly it isnt like dota 1 or dota 2 it looks like fucking dota 3 nothing is the same

Quote from: Sejanus
New map not the whole new millennial system.
Icefrog at least was consistent.

A few rational thoughts
- we should give the map a chance for some time and give constructive feedback if you want to change something for the better
- v7 is not even final yet, a temporary reversal back to v6 is not a problem
- like Icefrog dota was the-map back in the day, d1stats is the-map today. When Icefrog did something bad we just had to accept it and move on, now it is at least possible to contact the developer directly and give feedback, whether it is accepted or not.
- staying on v6, if decided by the community, is not a viable long term solution unless there would be some kind of an LTS program for that version. Even then, we would miss any good features coming after v7.


I think we should stay on v7 for a few weeks, collect feedback and then decide if we go back to v6 for a period of time, stay on v7 or what the next steps should be. If there is no consensus within community one side will have to give in since hosting both versions is not an option, it will diminish the available player pool and make lobbies longer.

Just a few thoughts about this.
1) Our problem is not to move on with the map. Over the last 10 years, we always had new heroes added, new skills, new items, and minor map changes. But they all came step by step, while always staying loyal to the main concepts. They were just furbishing the game. Obviously mistakes were made, unbalances were fixed later.
We adapted and learnt the new ways. This is NOT our problem.

2) Our PROBLEM is that this map wants to make DOTA2 from DOTA1, and it's unacceptable for me, and for others also.

3)I dont like and don't want DOTA2 MAP terrain in dota1. No need to copy paste it, new runes, outposts new roshan location. No need, and no like. I don't know who asked for it ever.

4) The new user interface is a catastrophe as it is. Everything is bigger, takes too much of the screen, icons are misslocated, minimap change also dislike.

5)If you want to add new heroes have my upvote! If you want heroes rebalances GOOD. New items? FINE. Keep the rest as it was, classic UI, classic terrain (minor changes are ok if really needed).

6) The game feels like APEM. Easy and fast farm. everybody is having expensive items after 20 minutes, this reduces the importance of gangs and farming skills for individual players.

7) Make a POLL, let's see how many players would like to play v6 or v7. Or make it possible for us, classic dota1 players, to play v6 again. If we can play both maps simultaneously.

8 ) Missing any good features from v7 in the future? Or just avoiding any more bad features perhaps? It's a matter of point of view. What if the majority of players doesn't like v7 and the way where Drakolich takes Dota1? We have to go that way because nobody else works on the map?

9) Lastly, for last time: Don't morph Dota1 into Dota2. We can go and play Dota2 already. We are here to play Dota1, and if you force us to swallow this, we (Me) will simply abandon LA as it is, as it's not enjoyable anymore in this form.

Thanks!

+++ To all that. (Like russians say...)

Had one game yesterday, which lasted 85 minutes, no side was able to finish it. Game was extremely random, and chaotic, communication was zero.

Loads of people are completely lost, and can't see shit on the map, you can ping them 100 times, and nobody sees nothing still.

Solo stat playing is for now 200% increased as it's easier to gank clueless, and lost players with new overpowered heroes like morph.

Yeah woods are not as good as used to be, which maybe is good, maybe not.

Free wards makes no sense, still most player's can't even place them, or help you de-ward. Everything blamed on support. While growing a support character seems much harder now with all the selfish players. They still refuse to gank, or attack and only farm on sides.

Loads of new Russian players? There was some merge, or something? I find it extremely hard to communicate with them, ignorant bastards they are. (Not all tho)

Only plus side I found is that the gold from coins is shared, rs timer on the top is not so bad, but too much in the face, I loved to check the time on the score board, still find myself opening it for no reason.

Go with the poll already, if possible - just to see where we stand, while keeping new nuts millenial chaotic version atm.

I really believe this version has personality disorder, and looks like mental break down.

So far haven't even won one game, it's like random team wins at random time now.

40min of mid pushes stopped by simple techies was quite painful%uD83E%uDD2A

i was expecting new heroes new items like vessel and old type dota
but i didnt like that
i delete dota2 for new patch (too many changes)
now im gonna do same for dota1 too
im done with that hf everyone
bazarci out :)

pfff the new map is very boring. i played just a one time and i delete this game if u dont change this last 7.00 shit map. please return last map or i think you will lose a lot of player. map can be change but not so. please dont change old map.

what a weak naga siren why you change that heros skills idk and i lost a lot of shortcut skill.

if u love this last map please give us 2 alternative and we play old map.

Isn't it clear yet? Half the community hate the map? Give us the poll to show it in %.

Same arguments are for - as against the new map%uD83D%uDE01 exactly the same ones.

If 60% + vote for the new map I will shut up and try harder.

Maybe the problem is not the new map, but too many changes aka too huge jump/step of added new stuff at the same time, it's like a completely different game.

Gradual change would give people time to get used to it, and wouldn't cause the mass leaving now.

I dont like the map, for few reasons, there are no different colors for each side on the minimap.
I do not like gold placeholder possiotion at all, its overlapping with titles from items or spells .
About the characters i still have not played with many but already find out that pugna can just spam his life steal ulti which is totally rubbish .
In terms of wards which are for free, yet again i do not agree with it, its way too childish .

Give us old map,this new map is bullshit,i think many players will stop playing..We would all happy if you can give us old map!

Seems like most players want the old one, make a poll?

Pool made
Included wild card [icefrog's last map] ,because there has been alot of talk of "oldschool" dota around since latest Drako's map , so i included a real Oldschool map in the vote [ignore if reasons] , also few platforms use IceFrog maps so another reason to include as wild card.
For other Two choices, preety much Latest map-Previous Map due active conversation progress.

And the poll is gone%uD83E%uDD7A

Given to us just to take it away%uD83E%uDD2A

Not cool%uD83D%uDE01 even if it had no effect it was nice to see that 65%+ agree this version went too far %uD83D%uDE2C %uD83D%uDE05

I stopped playing since upgraded to new map.  Because everything changed to dota2. Im an old school player so i didnt liked dota2. I was playing here for old days just because dota was stil like 'dota1'

Poll will be opened over the weekend and stay open for a few days. Then we will decide what to do depending on the results (with staff having the last word, consider this a consultation poll). By that time everyone should have plenty enough time to play the map (almost two weeks) and evaluate.

To keep it simple, I propose we just have options to stay on v7 or go back to v6. That will decide what will be played for the near future until v7 is released in full. Meaning we will need to make a second more permanent decision sometime in the autumn.

there is something you forgot. during that time everyone will have forgotten the game because we decided already we never play that shit 7.00 version map. i like innovations but just good innovations. you still insist about that 7.00 map it is hard to understand this.

Soo many games now that one player owes without even having items%uD83D%uDE01

Definitely something is not right with some of the heroes.

%uD83D%uDE01Didn't ever see 40+ kills on single hero before, now like every tenth game someone gets greedy enough, and map allows him to, and the gap of levels makes it way easier to grief play, and ruin the game for others.

It's support solo stat play not the team as you guys think%uD83D%uDE01

Also waiting for a game seems way longer now, already some players have left?

I think this 7.00 is really hard to all, It's not real DotA because everything (almost 70% of map comprising textures / Options Menu / heroes skills and whole map system) totally changed. Just reverte back to 6.90, acutally the best vesrion in my opinion (not offensive, just personal opinion, but I'm sure some others agree too).

To much changes, just to much for one version dont like it!!!

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6313955

another example, rubick lose 2 towers mid early game to "sylla", to his BEAR actually.

and BEAR owes heroes better than hero itself.

Another RETARDED change.

Dude honestly I don't give a shit if I have to use !pub or !publ comand. If I can host/join 6.9 it doesn't really matter. I already told my opinion about v7, so I have nothing to add here... The moment they remove 6.9, I stop playing on LA. easy as that.
Anyway, all pros left to play dota 2 for money long ago, those who stayed here are playing for nostalgia (like me), or they have potato PC to play Dota 2. Happy and the other tits sucking kids can just fuck right off, I won't even bother reading their giberish here.

Peace, see you ingame.

Ok, my first impression is, that this new map sucks hard. Give us an option to host 6.9 version, or just throw this rubbish into the bin. If I want to play Dota 2, I go and play Dota 2. No need to ''upgrade'' it into this. Thank you very much drakolich, for fucking up our classic dota 1 map. Sometimes LESS is MORE, and in this case, it's totally true. Lost all my interest in playing this trash just after one game. Super disappointed.
You'll have to give more information on why you think the new version is bad, saying the new map just "sucks" won't get you anywhere.
If you don't understand the new map and need to learn how the new stuff work then it's not because the map "sucks", it's because you need to adapt to the new fresh patch and stop doing the same things (picking same heroes, going same item build, same strategies etc.) which you were previously doing in the last patch.

It's not about learning new stuff. The map simply sucks because the new UI, the way it looks. The player ''interface''. Why couldn't he keep the classic interface of the game, and just implement the hero balances, new heroes and other upgrades. What bothers me the most, is the new interface which is annoyingly informative, the whole screen is filled with unnecessary information, while he moved BIG YELLOW GOLD counter bottom right for no reason. I feel like sitting behind a fighter jet, looking left and right while everything being more annoying than informative.

The map lost it's classic feeling, it's a cheap copy of dota 2. We don't want dota2 in warcraft3 ok? We want dota1, CLASSIC dota1!
love it!
"unneccessary information"
yeah, it's really annoying when you can see your enemies list, it's better play with eyes closed to not receive any excessive information, just use your ears
"gold label down the way"
hell yeah, keep playing your 13" desktop. it's such a pain in the ass to move eyes top-down all the time you try to buy a thing. Hope your eyeballs are fine there.

Drakolich, just roll back the interface as it was, but keep the hero and terrain changes. Like it or not, but you fucked up the interface hard. This is my opinion, and sorry if it hurts you. I know you probably won't give a shit, and just keep it this way, rather than acknowledge the players opinions and make some changes, but I HAVE to tell it anyway. Take it as a feedback, and make the changes accordingly. I will check back, when I get back my classic dota1. At this stage, the map is not enjoyable for me.
A few rational thoughts
- we should give the map a chance for some time and give constructive feedback if you want to change something for the better
- v7 is not even final yet, a temporary reversal back to v6 is not a problem
- like Icefrog dota was the-map back in the day, d1stats is the-map today. When Icefrog did something bad we just had to accept it and move on, now it is at least possible to contact the developer directly and give feedback, whether it is accepted or not.
- staying on v6, if decided by the community, is not a viable long term solution unless there would be some kind of an LTS program for that version. Even then, we would miss any good features coming after v7.


I think we should stay on v7 for a few weeks, collect feedback and then decide if we go back to v6 for a period of time, stay on v7 or what the next steps should be. If there is no consensus within community one side will have to give in since hosting both versions is not an option, it will diminish the available player pool and make lobbies longer.

Just a few thoughts about this.
1) Our problem is not to move on with the map. Over the last 10 years, we always had new heroes added, new skills, new items, and minor map changes. But they all came step by step, while always staying loyal to the main concepts. They were just furbishing the game. Obviously mistakes were made, unbalances were fixed later.
We adapted and learnt the new ways. This is NOT our problem.

2) Our PROBLEM is that this map wants to make DOTA2 from DOTA1, and it's unacceptable for me, and for others also.

3)I dont like and don't want DOTA2 MAP terrain in dota1. No need to copy paste it, new runes, outposts new roshan location. No need, and no like. I don't know who asked for it ever.

4) The new user interface is a catastrophe as it is. Everything is bigger, takes too much of the screen, icons are misslocated, minimap change also dislike.

5)If you want to add new heroes have my upvote! If you want heroes rebalances GOOD. New items? FINE. Keep the rest as it was, classic UI, classic terrain (minor changes are ok if really needed).

6) The game feels like APEM. Easy and fast farm. everybody is having expensive items after 20 minutes, this reduces the importance of gangs and farming skills for individual players.

7) Make a POLL, let's see how many players would like to play v6 or v7. Or make it possible for us, classic dota1 players, to play v6 again. If we can play both maps simultaneously.

8 ) Missing any good features from v7 in the future? Or just avoiding any more bad features perhaps? It's a matter of point of view. What if the majority of players doesn't like v7 and the way where Drakolich takes Dota1? We have to go that way because nobody else works on the map?

9) Lastly, for last time: Don't morph Dota1 into Dota2. We can go and play Dota2 already. We are here to play Dota1, and if you force us to swallow this, we (Me) will simply abandon LA as it is, as it's not enjoyable anymore in this form.

Thanks!
We complain all we want as long as we dislike the map.
Im a mapmaker myself of Lords of Europe so i do know a few things about mapmaking and balancing.unlike you.
But whenever I made changes to the map, i always asked the players oppinions about it and made changes accordingly.so it stays fun. I never pushed it down on somebodies throat just because i could.
My opinion stands. The UI sucks, and dota2 sucks as well. Any changes made toward that direction is killing dota1.
The terrain change is Dota2, new runes, outposts are also directly copies from dota2.The new gold counter location and altogether the whole new UI also wanted to be dota2 (but it became just ugly compared to dota2). The new heroes are from dota2. new roshan location guees what? yes, dota2.

Every aspect, every change it is going for dota2 :)
At this point we can just simply delete war3 and go play dota2 :D. What is the difference after all?

Not all of those changes are bad however, the terrain indeed needed a change, since sentinel had advantage farming neutrals.
Heroes and skills also needed rebalance.
I support these.

In my opinion, the reason why the changes are going toward dota2 is because poor players with poor PC's can't afford to play Dota2. So now they have the option to do so, with lower poly graphics.

That Mars hero looks like Drakolich went up to hiveworkshop.com, checked hero models, and imported the first unit he saw with a spear/javelin. No effort, time and energy was used in this modelling. Just check out how Dota 2 Mars looks like and simply compare them.

From my point of view, keep the hero and skills changes, delete new runes, delete outposts, revert roshan location.
Change the terrain on sentinel or scourge site (should I say Radiant and Dire now?), to make a balanced way toward neutrals. And that's it.

Right now I personally stoped playing on war3, and went to play Dota2, since it's almost the same, and more beautiful.

I advice the same for everyone who's PC can run Dota2. Don't waste your time on this map anymore. Dota1 died with v7.

Have fun all, and see you!
And I really don't understand why all of you who support the new map, don't go and play Dota2. Better graphics, more smoother gameplay, regular and professional updates. It's super similar to the new map. You can shine there all you want, and become a paid pro player?
In the last 10 years Dota1 classic was pretty much the same, and guess what? We fucking loved it! As we played it for 10 years, we will play for another 10 without any problems. You all talk about moving forward, well, Dota moved forward with Dota2 long ago. Its you the ones who stayed behind for no reason. And now you are making classic dota1 become dota2 for no reason.
So tell me, why don't you go play Dota2 and leave us (old school players) alone to have fun here?

I just noticed the poll was closed as well. That's how much this server cares about it's players opinions.
So as a conclusion we everybody who are PRO and CONTRA for the new map can agree that, the map is going toward being Dota 2, in a war3 skin right?
The main question is therefore, if we want to play classic dota1 or a cheap copy of dota2 map, put into action in Dota1 graphics?

If you are PRO for the new map, why don't just move and play Dota2?
If you are CON for the new map, why even argue about what is bad in the new map, since its 90% Dota2?

This whole conversation is pointless therefore.

All of you so called ''pros'' who are listing tons of pro changes, and making fun of the classic dota1 loving players here on the forum: why didn't you go play Dota2 already long ago? Why I don't see your nicks in professional Dota2 teams and tournaments? Maybe you aren't ''pros'' in the sense of the word itself, but you are feeling comfy just to tell the ''noobs'' here on the forum, while thinking yourself some kind of skillfuly and morally superior players.

No you aren't. If you would be pros, you would play DOta2 already on big tournaments.making fame and money. But you don't. Meaning you are lowskill players, same as the rest of us.

So you can stop telling us what is good and what is bad, all the while insulting us being lowskill players, who don't know shit about the map.Couse you don't know shit neighter.

This map is killing classic Dota1, and morphing into Dota2.
The question is, who asked for this, why are we forced into this, and why are players even support this instead of just fucking off to play Dota2?
Why do we have to play Dota2 on both platforms? Valve and war3?

Drakolich: Your posts on this forum section are the proof of what a childish person you are. You aren't a mapmaker, just a copy-paster guy of Dota2, who took the money from players who wanted to support classic Dota1. Imagine their frustration when they saw this new map of yours. I don't think they all donated money for 'this'.

Well said man %uD83D%uDC4C
qqbabies with "too much dota2" arguments can go play 6.81, dont ever speak about any of my maps - get back to the classic.
I wont agree with "this is too much changes". There were just as big patches back to 2006-8, and nobody rly bothered, just moved on.
Also neutral items arent cornerstones of balancing for d2 for many reasons, it doesn't matter for us.

I'm curious, why don't you kept Dota 1 terrain and kept adding new stuff from Dota2?

Exactly my thoughts, big like for asking this.
At this point, if Drakolich would only implement the new hero (Mars), fix bugs, rebalance heroes skills and items, I would even welcome those changes. Not all are good for sure, but these changes can be and will be fixed in the future im confident.

What took away the Dota1 feeling, is the terrain changes (adding shrines/outposts, new runes, new roshan location) which are direct copies from Dota2, and the new UI. Rollback the terrain, rollback the UI, and from my part, the rest is fine.
To test 100+ heroes takes time anyway, and I'm sure the bugs/unbalanced heroes will be fixed later.

The game crashed for me as well pressing F9.

Again Drakolich, I understand your feelings when you are criticized, being a mapmaker myself, but try to take it as an adult, not as a child which is reflected in your forum answers.

I can only hope for a version, where both classic players and new map supporters are partly satisfied at least. That would be the rollback option in my opinion, at least you could make a test-map for this.
Old terrain, old UI, and new hero changes, bug fixes.
Great decision, now I can go back to climbing the ladder with my boy Corristo and hopefully all the greedy pro players are gone.

Give the players what they want, 6.83! LETS GO

Lol dude,long story short: pro players are playing DOta2 long ago. These so called pros here, just have a potato PC, and they cant run proper Dota2. So they are trying to morph Dota1 into Dota2.
I'm glad we can finally return to classic dota1, maybe Drakolich will change his mind and make a rollback for the UI and the terrain, so it can fit classic players desire as well. This would be a long run solution for both sides. But knowing him he won't rollback anything out of principle.
See you ingame lads!
Great decision !!!  I'm glad they heard the voice of the players.
Dota 1 is something what is unique and shouldn't be replaced with cheap versions of Dota 2. Admins and Map creators should separate Dota 1 and Dota 2 and consider in future to keep that way.The old classic Dota 1 is back, as most of the people wanted.
I'm very happy! Dota 1 and Dota 2 are two different stories which should be respected as they are. Mixing each other is making something which is not good for the both sides. Now we all go back to fight for our psr as we did before the new update. See you back in the game 6.90 !!! Classic Dota 1 is back !   ;D ;D :y: :y:
Have fun all! Greetings  :peace:

So talents are classic for you, extra slot for tp is classic for you, bounty runes are classic for you, new heroes are classic for you (mk, ww, earth spirit, oracle), new items like bloodthorn, glimmer, greaves etc. are classic for you???
You enjoy it because every year map is updating by something new, we will see how you will enjoy it when map doesnt update 10 years..
Draco make new terrain so by new terrain in future he can update a lot of new things (i think), by me its wise choice to do so, also new mechanics and staff way more better.

"New mechanics and stuff"
Hahaha I laughed so good at this! :D



Most of those useful posts are from decent players aka Corristo and Sejanus

Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 15, 2020, 16:01
HEAR MY CALL CAPTAINS @FataLity- @ExpertNoob @bewater @grga_man @Happy.. @UltimateTroll @Nexxus @Tyrande

ROUND UP YOUR SOLDIERS


Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: nikolagay on December 15, 2020, 16:08
You guys can round up my soldier anytime  ;)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 15, 2020, 16:12
how could I forget @nikolagay one of our most beloved soldiers
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 15, 2020, 17:26
Dota7 lobbying group is challenging @mordor911 to bo3 dota knockout. We will play the 6.9 map - at your convenience. Please assemble your team, judging from the players you have tagged previously, picking just 4 teammates will be hard, the potential over there is off the charts.

If you win even 1 game, we'll join you and become 6.9 supporters, you'll get rid of our notorious dota7 lobbying group.

Since you're so convinced all the bad players moved to 7+, and only the good ones remained playing 6.9, it shouldn't be too much of a challenge for you boys, right?   
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 15, 2020, 18:36
THink of it as 6.9 vs 7.00 tournament?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: .SaLiH. on December 15, 2020, 19:17
mordor didnt mention jimmy while jimmy left after poll result sadKEK
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Corristo on December 15, 2020, 20:42
mordor didnt mention jimmy while jimmy left after poll result sadKEK

Jimmy retiring from being admin is the only good thing happened with v7.
That guy was a lunatic abuser with skizofrenia. banning players left and right for no fucking reason. Thx God he is gone and won't abuse players anymore.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Tyrande on December 15, 2020, 21:00
mordor didnt mention jimmy while jimmy left after poll result sadKEK

Jimmy retiring from being admin is the only good thing happened with v7.
That guy was a lunatic abuser with skizofrenia. banning players left and right for no fucking reason. Thx God he is gone and won't abuse players anymore.

With these predispositions and 45% win ratio he's perfect player for Mordor squad.










Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 16, 2020, 00:11
Week2 Day3

Dota6.9/games players
18/30
23/30
18/30
18+23+18 = 59/90
Dota6.9 = 59 games played

Dota7.0/games players
12/30
07/30
12/30
12+07+12 = 31/90
Dota7.0 = 31 games players

Nothing more to add  :agreed:

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(https://i.imgur.com/gnGBS4S.png)

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Let's address the fact that v7 won the poll when it came out, but it had to be pubbed using the !privobs command, something that mr. mordor911 is just completely ignoring, shall we?
Lagabuse/dota.eurobattle.net belongs to Dota6.9 and with 2/3 games and 2/3 players it will be default again, or we will have separated leagues. Dota7 lost the poll when it came out. And with 1/3 player base and 1/3 from total dota games the very same event is coming :peace:
(https://i.imgur.com/miFibNc.png)


I am not sure if are mentaly dissabled or what but stop deceive yourself with lies. 7.0 WON THE POOL after removing fake votes from you and your faithfull supporters


(https://i.imgur.com/f5AAqTM.png)



He just keeps spamming his useless data, and at the same time, calling out to arms literally the worst flamers and game ruiners with countless warns and bans on their accounts. Talk about creating a healthy gaming environment, eh?
All data posted by me is related with this topic while posts from your the Lobbying groups are only insults and spam. That forest culture from some village hidden deep in the mountains... All toxic and bad players had moved to Dota7, so we are clean and with a new league you will barely have 25% players to play with you that shit Dota7. I'm calling good players and good people, they are all equal and normal players.

Says an BEYOND SPAMER. Honestly I am not sure if u are aware of your stupidity in those posts wich u just throw randomly.
Who cares what robot with fake account will post. The lobbying group with barely 3 or 4 players and who knows how many fake accounts can do just that, insult and spam irrevelant and off-topic posts, but congratz to all to your efforts, 2 or 3 posts which the Lobbying group had posted from 3 topics are regular posts. Cen knows stats from the last voting, or maybe not and he should post full list with who voted and for which option.
Do we see fake accounts who represent Dota1 6.9 map in this? > No. Who could be it?
Do we see fake accounts and useless spam from the Lobbying group who want only to do sabotage to the Dota6.9 by posting useless spam or insult after every post of mine? Yes, MarvinJunior, Tyrande, Enemy1PK, lolonomo, FilLaD1N, Practice, Happy.....
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 16, 2020, 01:23
How did all of this started?
Actually, when the v7 came out, a couple of months ago, there was a poll between v7 and v6 that resulted in v7 winning, even though a bunch of you morons kept creating fake profiles and double voting for v6. For reasons unknown to me, the transition hasn't been made.

Because of that, the majority of remotely decent players have left this platform which created an illusion that only '35%' of people here are playing v7.

Fake news. Nobody was sentenced as a result of the investigations. So there is no double voting situation.
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
So tell me one fucking decent reason to not flame this stupid mongoliads for typing this crap throw all week , and asking to play on 6.90
I challenge you guys to a 3v3 or 5v5, hit me up with the date
Get him fairy!
Quote
and why the old map wont receive any update ??????
did you try to fix tuskar bug?
why you didnt add the new items on 6.90
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

ok this topic is just so good, please continue !
Okay you triggered me to reply on this, on other server there is 6k players who play v7 and you and other 40 players who are uncapable to learn new staff and adjust to play old map, so at the end there is 6k players and lets say they play 3 games per day 18000 games  vs your 400 games.
Beat that.. How other people could adjust you can too, if you cant play that old v6 and stfu.
I stopped playing here because of an old map, but i want you to see overall how many people accepted and you and small majority make big deal about this, so ridiculous.
@ FataLity- expert analysis needed here
I can't decide if you're being stupidly dangerous or dangerously stupid.
Mate I'm kinda too lazy go into a discussion with you regarding this matter, it would take too long and I honestly don't want to waste too much of my brain cells on this.

A friendly advice - try and ask yourself why is this something you want to push through by all means. Why do you care so much about this? The way you handle this topic is kinda sus to me, I smell a lot of subjective bullshit.
you people from Lobbying group for Dota7 are way bellow my intellectual level.

The people you're badmouthing have been playing on this server for almost 15 years. So yes, I think we have a little bit more credibility than clowns like yourself.
Same... I agree about everything Mordor911 said.
To be honest, if there is no 6.9 map, many players would already leave this server. And i am sure those players who play 6.9 map, wouldn't switch to 7 if old map goes to history. Only a third of the current number of players would remain on server.

So let's enjoy both maps and keep the old one alive because of the majority who play it.

Just to add... After commands changed, Players got confused... I recived so many messages here and on my cellphone with one question "is 6.9 really dead ?!".

Welp to agree with everything that mordor said u have to be mentaly retarded (without offend)

Also how about that players wich preffer 7.0 had to use !privobs command for months and noone of u hypocrites complains about that.

Be aware that this server already lost majority of good players due to this and many other stupid decisions.

Fun part 6.83 won the pool against 6.85 and still we switched to 6.85. Now same story 7.0 won pool but welp.
question of the day mordor911

Why havent all primates evolved into humans?
Only 3 respectable players in that long list of survivors

Sejanus rL-Valter and Corristo
mom more graph please !
question of the day mordor911

What is your opinion on echo chambers?
Come on guys, it is time to support something we like! 70% games and players are Dota6.9 players. Your voice matters!
Hear my call

HEAR HIS CALL, PEASANTS

begin how do you feel being one of the mordors' boys? Share your thoughts with us
grga_man thoughts on the list of supporters
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705377.html#msg705377

This is ridiculous

ksv iErnesto94

3. Member must not insult users:
      Note: Arguing on the forum can be considered as spam.

I see many useres insult here... Is there anything we can do about it ?

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705272.html#msg705272

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705287.html#msg705287

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705343.html#msg705343

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705242.html#msg705242

This topic is so amazing don't ruin the fun. SHOW MUST GO ON!!
Let's address the fact that v7 won the poll when it came out, but it had to be pubbed using the !privobs command, something that mr. mordor911 is just completely ignoring, shall we?

He just keeps spamming his useless data, and at the same time, calling out to arms literally the worst flamers and game ruiners with countless warns and bans on their accounts. Talk about creating a healthy gaming environment, eh?

But yeah, doing something about sarcasm is what's really important, right Sejtura? As long as we keep the focus on the right things.

This isn't objective. Since many players who wanted v7 left we need to make another poll to see the % of v7 and v6 players
question of the day mordor911

Is god complex a mental disorder?
be on the lookout for mordor911 new book release titled Dear Cen
where my dota7 lobbying group at? MarvinJunior round up the boys

Let's address the fact that v7 won the poll when it came out, but it had to be pubbed using the !privobs command, something that mr. mordor911 is just completely ignoring, shall we?
Lagabuse/dota.eurobattle.net belongs to Dota6.9 and with 2/3 games and 2/3 players it will be default again, or we will have separated leagues. Dota7 lost the poll when it came out. And with 1/3 player base and 1/3 from total dota games the very same event is coming :peace:
(https://i.imgur.com/miFibNc.png)

I am not sure if are mentaly dissabled or what but stop deceive yourself with lies. 7.0 WON THE POOL after removing fake votes from you and your faithfull supporters


He just keeps spamming his useless data, and at the same time, calling out to arms literally the worst flamers and game ruiners with countless warns and bans on their accounts. Talk about creating a healthy gaming environment, eh?
All data posted by me is related with this topic while posts from your the Lobbying groups are only insults and spam. That forest culture from some village hidden deep in the mountains... All toxic and bad players had moved to Dota7, so we are clean and with a new league you will barely have 25% players to play with you that shit Dota7. I'm calling good players and good people, they are all equal and normal players.

Says an BEYOND SPAMER. Honestly I am not sure if u are aware of your stupidity in those posts wich u just throw randomly.


But yeah, doing something about sarcasm is what's really important, right Sejtura? As long as we keep the focus on the right things.
Savages are supposed to be banned and their useless data should be removed in this topic.


Ofc remove all the facts and let only his retarded novels.

Some useful posts from previous topics:
Quote from: boyka on August 01, 2020, 10:33
This new map is unbalanced, lot of changes some heroes are retarded like bear huskar and some heroes are shit like tuskar for exsample you got stuck in your owne ice talents degrated just sheat. Good things are healing pools and warkey in the game. Just to much changes in one version. I am playing dota for 15 years and this much changes is like a new game to me i dont wona play lol or dota 2 cuz i like dota1 and am used to its grafics and gameplay, and with this map its no longer dota 1. Than i dont see any point playing this game on this server we can play dota 2?
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,197563.msg702434.html#msg702434

Quote from: boyka on August 01, 2020, 11:09
No good players have been left since the new map was played.
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,197563.msg702436.html#msg702436

Quote from: fortepsai on August 02, 2020, 03:51
New version has too many heroes out of balance .. it looks like alpha or some early beta stage . sorry but i dont like it to be honest .

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,191431.0.html
Quote from: Sejanus
Map is SHIT, bring back the old one.

Retarded colours... too many coins, f pointless shrines,

total BULLSHIT.

Quote from: Sejanus
It's like permanent "em" game,

some gets over farmed really quick,

alch was level 23, when our ursa was just 9, seems like less exp in the woods, more on the lane?

Quote from: Jimmy
I had a mental breakdown when i saw what you did to my boy.
Implementing Balance, adding heroes/skills/items , fixing mechanics , all the things one could do.
But changing the UI completely, to what end, if someone wanted to play Valve's DotA, he will go ahead and do that. Same goes for LoL,HoS and all the other copy cats that emerged from the holes over the years.
Again, Balancing, Implementing new Spells/Items and similar, removing Buggs from previous versions, all the strong suits a map developer can strive to when given such a nice Platform as IceFrog's DotA.
Talents gave it a Flare , few transfered Heroes, allright. But other than that workload should be focused on above mentioned things.

Metaphorically , you were given a Ferarri, and over the years u managed to put a Lada engine in it, and now ,you painted it pink.

Quote from: m3thead
this map is like Corona virus, u hate it but have to go with the flow... PS Jimmy said it so well, old school map whatsoever kept w3 installed, I am afraid delete time is finally near after nearly 20 years.  ( FUCK DOTA 2 ANGRY FACE).... ;

Quote from: Dark_Tauren
This map kills dota 1. I am off...

Quote from: funnylol
I barely handle this talent version which make this game so unbalanced i dont say it was balanced before but for sure didnt make gameplay better.That shit wood map is for sure not anymore game we did know.I wont write much about this map becouse i played few times but it makes me just angry minimap is broken for sure color of heroes are wrong and i dont know shit from it,i cant bind ctrl for tp hotkey,AND THE WORSE SHIT CHANGING WOODS ADDING SHRINES AND BOUNTY RUNES.I think it made this game much easier like everyone got too much gold full items everywhere thats sad its like apem.I m not sure if i stop play this map or not but i got a feeling i will look for places where i can play olders maps even before talent version would be nice.

Quote from: Noci
The Dota 1 classic game is ruined with the new update !! Totally...
If we want to play dota2 we will play dota 2 !!
We want the Dota 1 classic game!! Give us the old Dota1 back !!
I agree with that guy who says that the new update is cheap version of dota 2.
I don't know where to look.. i feel like i play LoL.. gold is bottom, heroes top .. etc..
wtf is that with 3 fountains?!? New heroes imported from dota 2 ?  whyy?
Please don't ruin what is unique !! Reconsider that desicion about the new update !
Rubick is killing mort with ease ?? Come on that makes no sense... why should i play after the new map update lookalike dota2 ? You all have to worry about quitting playing dota on lagabuse.. don't let that happen !!
Think about this... Who ever wants to play dota2 , he can play... Dota 1 is the classic version we want to play.. since the new update was released i am not playing anymore.. and i am fan of dota 1 classic.. i want to play again the old dota1..

Quote from: Dark3r
wtf is this honestly it isnt like dota 1 or dota 2 it looks like fucking dota 3 nothing is the same

Quote from: Sejanus
New map not the whole new millennial system.
Icefrog at least was consistent.

A few rational thoughts
- we should give the map a chance for some time and give constructive feedback if you want to change something for the better
- v7 is not even final yet, a temporary reversal back to v6 is not a problem
- like Icefrog dota was the-map back in the day, d1stats is the-map today. When Icefrog did something bad we just had to accept it and move on, now it is at least possible to contact the developer directly and give feedback, whether it is accepted or not.
- staying on v6, if decided by the community, is not a viable long term solution unless there would be some kind of an LTS program for that version. Even then, we would miss any good features coming after v7.


I think we should stay on v7 for a few weeks, collect feedback and then decide if we go back to v6 for a period of time, stay on v7 or what the next steps should be. If there is no consensus within community one side will have to give in since hosting both versions is not an option, it will diminish the available player pool and make lobbies longer.

Just a few thoughts about this.
1) Our problem is not to move on with the map. Over the last 10 years, we always had new heroes added, new skills, new items, and minor map changes. But they all came step by step, while always staying loyal to the main concepts. They were just furbishing the game. Obviously mistakes were made, unbalances were fixed later.
We adapted and learnt the new ways. This is NOT our problem.

2) Our PROBLEM is that this map wants to make DOTA2 from DOTA1, and it's unacceptable for me, and for others also.

3)I dont like and don't want DOTA2 MAP terrain in dota1. No need to copy paste it, new runes, outposts new roshan location. No need, and no like. I don't know who asked for it ever.

4) The new user interface is a catastrophe as it is. Everything is bigger, takes too much of the screen, icons are misslocated, minimap change also dislike.

5)If you want to add new heroes have my upvote! If you want heroes rebalances GOOD. New items? FINE. Keep the rest as it was, classic UI, classic terrain (minor changes are ok if really needed).

6) The game feels like APEM. Easy and fast farm. everybody is having expensive items after 20 minutes, this reduces the importance of gangs and farming skills for individual players.

7) Make a POLL, let's see how many players would like to play v6 or v7. Or make it possible for us, classic dota1 players, to play v6 again. If we can play both maps simultaneously.

8 ) Missing any good features from v7 in the future? Or just avoiding any more bad features perhaps? It's a matter of point of view. What if the majority of players doesn't like v7 and the way where Drakolich takes Dota1? We have to go that way because nobody else works on the map?

9) Lastly, for last time: Don't morph Dota1 into Dota2. We can go and play Dota2 already. We are here to play Dota1, and if you force us to swallow this, we (Me) will simply abandon LA as it is, as it's not enjoyable anymore in this form.

Thanks!

+++ To all that. (Like russians say...)

Had one game yesterday, which lasted 85 minutes, no side was able to finish it. Game was extremely random, and chaotic, communication was zero.

Loads of people are completely lost, and can't see shit on the map, you can ping them 100 times, and nobody sees nothing still.

Solo stat playing is for now 200% increased as it's easier to gank clueless, and lost players with new overpowered heroes like morph.

Yeah woods are not as good as used to be, which maybe is good, maybe not.

Free wards makes no sense, still most player's can't even place them, or help you de-ward. Everything blamed on support. While growing a support character seems much harder now with all the selfish players. They still refuse to gank, or attack and only farm on sides.

Loads of new Russian players? There was some merge, or something? I find it extremely hard to communicate with them, ignorant bastards they are. (Not all tho)

Only plus side I found is that the gold from coins is shared, rs timer on the top is not so bad, but too much in the face, I loved to check the time on the score board, still find myself opening it for no reason.

Go with the poll already, if possible - just to see where we stand, while keeping new nuts millenial chaotic version atm.

I really believe this version has personality disorder, and looks like mental break down.

So far haven't even won one game, it's like random team wins at random time now.

40min of mid pushes stopped by simple techies was quite painful%uD83E%uDD2A

i was expecting new heroes new items like vessel and old type dota
but i didnt like that
i delete dota2 for new patch (too many changes)
now im gonna do same for dota1 too
im done with that hf everyone
bazarci out :)

pfff the new map is very boring. i played just a one time and i delete this game if u dont change this last 7.00 shit map. please return last map or i think you will lose a lot of player. map can be change but not so. please dont change old map.

what a weak naga siren why you change that heros skills idk and i lost a lot of shortcut skill.

if u love this last map please give us 2 alternative and we play old map.

Isn't it clear yet? Half the community hate the map? Give us the poll to show it in %.

Same arguments are for - as against the new map%uD83D%uDE01 exactly the same ones.

If 60% + vote for the new map I will shut up and try harder.

Maybe the problem is not the new map, but too many changes aka too huge jump/step of added new stuff at the same time, it's like a completely different game.

Gradual change would give people time to get used to it, and wouldn't cause the mass leaving now.

I dont like the map, for few reasons, there are no different colors for each side on the minimap.
I do not like gold placeholder possiotion at all, its overlapping with titles from items or spells .
About the characters i still have not played with many but already find out that pugna can just spam his life steal ulti which is totally rubbish .
In terms of wards which are for free, yet again i do not agree with it, its way too childish .

Give us old map,this new map is bullshit,i think many players will stop playing..We would all happy if you can give us old map!

Seems like most players want the old one, make a poll?

Pool made
Included wild card [icefrog's last map] ,because there has been alot of talk of "oldschool" dota around since latest Drako's map , so i included a real Oldschool map in the vote [ignore if reasons] , also few platforms use IceFrog maps so another reason to include as wild card.
For other Two choices, preety much Latest map-Previous Map due active conversation progress.

And the poll is gone%uD83E%uDD7A

Given to us just to take it away%uD83E%uDD2A

Not cool%uD83D%uDE01 even if it had no effect it was nice to see that 65%+ agree this version went too far %uD83D%uDE2C %uD83D%uDE05

I stopped playing since upgraded to new map.  Because everything changed to dota2. Im an old school player so i didnt liked dota2. I was playing here for old days just because dota was stil like 'dota1'

Poll will be opened over the weekend and stay open for a few days. Then we will decide what to do depending on the results (with staff having the last word, consider this a consultation poll). By that time everyone should have plenty enough time to play the map (almost two weeks) and evaluate.

To keep it simple, I propose we just have options to stay on v7 or go back to v6. That will decide what will be played for the near future until v7 is released in full. Meaning we will need to make a second more permanent decision sometime in the autumn.

there is something you forgot. during that time everyone will have forgotten the game because we decided already we never play that shit 7.00 version map. i like innovations but just good innovations. you still insist about that 7.00 map it is hard to understand this.

Soo many games now that one player owes without even having items%uD83D%uDE01

Definitely something is not right with some of the heroes.

%uD83D%uDE01Didn't ever see 40+ kills on single hero before, now like every tenth game someone gets greedy enough, and map allows him to, and the gap of levels makes it way easier to grief play, and ruin the game for others.

It's support solo stat play not the team as you guys think%uD83D%uDE01

Also waiting for a game seems way longer now, already some players have left?

I think this 7.00 is really hard to all, It's not real DotA because everything (almost 70% of map comprising textures / Options Menu / heroes skills and whole map system) totally changed. Just reverte back to 6.90, acutally the best vesrion in my opinion (not offensive, just personal opinion, but I'm sure some others agree too).

To much changes, just to much for one version dont like it!!!

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6313955

another example, rubick lose 2 towers mid early game to "sylla", to his BEAR actually.

and BEAR owes heroes better than hero itself.

Another RETARDED change.

Dude honestly I don't give a shit if I have to use !pub or !publ comand. If I can host/join 6.9 it doesn't really matter. I already told my opinion about v7, so I have nothing to add here... The moment they remove 6.9, I stop playing on LA. easy as that.
Anyway, all pros left to play dota 2 for money long ago, those who stayed here are playing for nostalgia (like me), or they have potato PC to play Dota 2. Happy and the other tits sucking kids can just fuck right off, I won't even bother reading their giberish here.

Peace, see you ingame.

Ok, my first impression is, that this new map sucks hard. Give us an option to host 6.9 version, or just throw this rubbish into the bin. If I want to play Dota 2, I go and play Dota 2. No need to ''upgrade'' it into this. Thank you very much drakolich, for fucking up our classic dota 1 map. Sometimes LESS is MORE, and in this case, it's totally true. Lost all my interest in playing this trash just after one game. Super disappointed.
You'll have to give more information on why you think the new version is bad, saying the new map just "sucks" won't get you anywhere.
If you don't understand the new map and need to learn how the new stuff work then it's not because the map "sucks", it's because you need to adapt to the new fresh patch and stop doing the same things (picking same heroes, going same item build, same strategies etc.) which you were previously doing in the last patch.

It's not about learning new stuff. The map simply sucks because the new UI, the way it looks. The player ''interface''. Why couldn't he keep the classic interface of the game, and just implement the hero balances, new heroes and other upgrades. What bothers me the most, is the new interface which is annoyingly informative, the whole screen is filled with unnecessary information, while he moved BIG YELLOW GOLD counter bottom right for no reason. I feel like sitting behind a fighter jet, looking left and right while everything being more annoying than informative.

The map lost it's classic feeling, it's a cheap copy of dota 2. We don't want dota2 in warcraft3 ok? We want dota1, CLASSIC dota1!
love it!
"unneccessary information"
yeah, it's really annoying when you can see your enemies list, it's better play with eyes closed to not receive any excessive information, just use your ears
"gold label down the way"
hell yeah, keep playing your 13" desktop. it's such a pain in the ass to move eyes top-down all the time you try to buy a thing. Hope your eyeballs are fine there.

Drakolich, just roll back the interface as it was, but keep the hero and terrain changes. Like it or not, but you fucked up the interface hard. This is my opinion, and sorry if it hurts you. I know you probably won't give a shit, and just keep it this way, rather than acknowledge the players opinions and make some changes, but I HAVE to tell it anyway. Take it as a feedback, and make the changes accordingly. I will check back, when I get back my classic dota1. At this stage, the map is not enjoyable for me.
A few rational thoughts
- we should give the map a chance for some time and give constructive feedback if you want to change something for the better
- v7 is not even final yet, a temporary reversal back to v6 is not a problem
- like Icefrog dota was the-map back in the day, d1stats is the-map today. When Icefrog did something bad we just had to accept it and move on, now it is at least possible to contact the developer directly and give feedback, whether it is accepted or not.
- staying on v6, if decided by the community, is not a viable long term solution unless there would be some kind of an LTS program for that version. Even then, we would miss any good features coming after v7.


I think we should stay on v7 for a few weeks, collect feedback and then decide if we go back to v6 for a period of time, stay on v7 or what the next steps should be. If there is no consensus within community one side will have to give in since hosting both versions is not an option, it will diminish the available player pool and make lobbies longer.

Just a few thoughts about this.
1) Our problem is not to move on with the map. Over the last 10 years, we always had new heroes added, new skills, new items, and minor map changes. But they all came step by step, while always staying loyal to the main concepts. They were just furbishing the game. Obviously mistakes were made, unbalances were fixed later.
We adapted and learnt the new ways. This is NOT our problem.

2) Our PROBLEM is that this map wants to make DOTA2 from DOTA1, and it's unacceptable for me, and for others also.

3)I dont like and don't want DOTA2 MAP terrain in dota1. No need to copy paste it, new runes, outposts new roshan location. No need, and no like. I don't know who asked for it ever.

4) The new user interface is a catastrophe as it is. Everything is bigger, takes too much of the screen, icons are misslocated, minimap change also dislike.

5)If you want to add new heroes have my upvote! If you want heroes rebalances GOOD. New items? FINE. Keep the rest as it was, classic UI, classic terrain (minor changes are ok if really needed).

6) The game feels like APEM. Easy and fast farm. everybody is having expensive items after 20 minutes, this reduces the importance of gangs and farming skills for individual players.

7) Make a POLL, let's see how many players would like to play v6 or v7. Or make it possible for us, classic dota1 players, to play v6 again. If we can play both maps simultaneously.

8 ) Missing any good features from v7 in the future? Or just avoiding any more bad features perhaps? It's a matter of point of view. What if the majority of players doesn't like v7 and the way where Drakolich takes Dota1? We have to go that way because nobody else works on the map?

9) Lastly, for last time: Don't morph Dota1 into Dota2. We can go and play Dota2 already. We are here to play Dota1, and if you force us to swallow this, we (Me) will simply abandon LA as it is, as it's not enjoyable anymore in this form.

Thanks!
We complain all we want as long as we dislike the map.
Im a mapmaker myself of Lords of Europe so i do know a few things about mapmaking and balancing.unlike you.
But whenever I made changes to the map, i always asked the players oppinions about it and made changes accordingly.so it stays fun. I never pushed it down on somebodies throat just because i could.
My opinion stands. The UI sucks, and dota2 sucks as well. Any changes made toward that direction is killing dota1.
The terrain change is Dota2, new runes, outposts are also directly copies from dota2.The new gold counter location and altogether the whole new UI also wanted to be dota2 (but it became just ugly compared to dota2). The new heroes are from dota2. new roshan location guees what? yes, dota2.

Every aspect, every change it is going for dota2 :)
At this point we can just simply delete war3 and go play dota2 :D. What is the difference after all?

Not all of those changes are bad however, the terrain indeed needed a change, since sentinel had advantage farming neutrals.
Heroes and skills also needed rebalance.
I support these.

In my opinion, the reason why the changes are going toward dota2 is because poor players with poor PC's can't afford to play Dota2. So now they have the option to do so, with lower poly graphics.

That Mars hero looks like Drakolich went up to hiveworkshop.com, checked hero models, and imported the first unit he saw with a spear/javelin. No effort, time and energy was used in this modelling. Just check out how Dota 2 Mars looks like and simply compare them.

From my point of view, keep the hero and skills changes, delete new runes, delete outposts, revert roshan location.
Change the terrain on sentinel or scourge site (should I say Radiant and Dire now?), to make a balanced way toward neutrals. And that's it.

Right now I personally stoped playing on war3, and went to play Dota2, since it's almost the same, and more beautiful.

I advice the same for everyone who's PC can run Dota2. Don't waste your time on this map anymore. Dota1 died with v7.

Have fun all, and see you!
And I really don't understand why all of you who support the new map, don't go and play Dota2. Better graphics, more smoother gameplay, regular and professional updates. It's super similar to the new map. You can shine there all you want, and become a paid pro player?
In the last 10 years Dota1 classic was pretty much the same, and guess what? We fucking loved it! As we played it for 10 years, we will play for another 10 without any problems. You all talk about moving forward, well, Dota moved forward with Dota2 long ago. Its you the ones who stayed behind for no reason. And now you are making classic dota1 become dota2 for no reason.
So tell me, why don't you go play Dota2 and leave us (old school players) alone to have fun here?

I just noticed the poll was closed as well. That's how much this server cares about it's players opinions.
So as a conclusion we everybody who are PRO and CONTRA for the new map can agree that, the map is going toward being Dota 2, in a war3 skin right?
The main question is therefore, if we want to play classic dota1 or a cheap copy of dota2 map, put into action in Dota1 graphics?

If you are PRO for the new map, why don't just move and play Dota2?
If you are CON for the new map, why even argue about what is bad in the new map, since its 90% Dota2?

This whole conversation is pointless therefore.

All of you so called ''pros'' who are listing tons of pro changes, and making fun of the classic dota1 loving players here on the forum: why didn't you go play Dota2 already long ago? Why I don't see your nicks in professional Dota2 teams and tournaments? Maybe you aren't ''pros'' in the sense of the word itself, but you are feeling comfy just to tell the ''noobs'' here on the forum, while thinking yourself some kind of skillfuly and morally superior players.

No you aren't. If you would be pros, you would play DOta2 already on big tournaments.making fame and money. But you don't. Meaning you are lowskill players, same as the rest of us.

So you can stop telling us what is good and what is bad, all the while insulting us being lowskill players, who don't know shit about the map.Couse you don't know shit neighter.

This map is killing classic Dota1, and morphing into Dota2.
The question is, who asked for this, why are we forced into this, and why are players even support this instead of just fucking off to play Dota2?
Why do we have to play Dota2 on both platforms? Valve and war3?

Drakolich: Your posts on this forum section are the proof of what a childish person you are. You aren't a mapmaker, just a copy-paster guy of Dota2, who took the money from players who wanted to support classic Dota1. Imagine their frustration when they saw this new map of yours. I don't think they all donated money for 'this'.

Well said man %uD83D%uDC4C
qqbabies with "too much dota2" arguments can go play 6.81, dont ever speak about any of my maps - get back to the classic.
I wont agree with "this is too much changes". There were just as big patches back to 2006-8, and nobody rly bothered, just moved on.
Also neutral items arent cornerstones of balancing for d2 for many reasons, it doesn't matter for us.

I'm curious, why don't you kept Dota 1 terrain and kept adding new stuff from Dota2?

Exactly my thoughts, big like for asking this.
At this point, if Drakolich would only implement the new hero (Mars), fix bugs, rebalance heroes skills and items, I would even welcome those changes. Not all are good for sure, but these changes can be and will be fixed in the future im confident.

What took away the Dota1 feeling, is the terrain changes (adding shrines/outposts, new runes, new roshan location) which are direct copies from Dota2, and the new UI. Rollback the terrain, rollback the UI, and from my part, the rest is fine.
To test 100+ heroes takes time anyway, and I'm sure the bugs/unbalanced heroes will be fixed later.

The game crashed for me as well pressing F9.

Again Drakolich, I understand your feelings when you are criticized, being a mapmaker myself, but try to take it as an adult, not as a child which is reflected in your forum answers.

I can only hope for a version, where both classic players and new map supporters are partly satisfied at least. That would be the rollback option in my opinion, at least you could make a test-map for this.
Old terrain, old UI, and new hero changes, bug fixes.
Great decision, now I can go back to climbing the ladder with my boy Corristo and hopefully all the greedy pro players are gone.

Give the players what they want, 6.83! LETS GO

Lol dude,long story short: pro players are playing DOta2 long ago. These so called pros here, just have a potato PC, and they cant run proper Dota2. So they are trying to morph Dota1 into Dota2.
I'm glad we can finally return to classic dota1, maybe Drakolich will change his mind and make a rollback for the UI and the terrain, so it can fit classic players desire as well. This would be a long run solution for both sides. But knowing him he won't rollback anything out of principle.
See you ingame lads!
Great decision !!!  I'm glad they heard the voice of the players.
Dota 1 is something what is unique and shouldn't be replaced with cheap versions of Dota 2. Admins and Map creators should separate Dota 1 and Dota 2 and consider in future to keep that way.The old classic Dota 1 is back, as most of the people wanted.
I'm very happy! Dota 1 and Dota 2 are two different stories which should be respected as they are. Mixing each other is making something which is not good for the both sides. Now we all go back to fight for our psr as we did before the new update. See you back in the game 6.90 !!! Classic Dota 1 is back !   ;D ;D :y: :y:
Have fun all! Greetings  :peace:

So talents are classic for you, extra slot for tp is classic for you, bounty runes are classic for you, new heroes are classic for you (mk, ww, earth spirit, oracle), new items like bloodthorn, glimmer, greaves etc. are classic for you???
You enjoy it because every year map is updating by something new, we will see how you will enjoy it when map doesnt update 10 years..
Draco make new terrain so by new terrain in future he can update a lot of new things (i think), by me its wise choice to do so, also new mechanics and staff way more better.

"New mechanics and stuff"
Hahaha I laughed so good at this! :D
Most of those useful posts are from decent players aka Corristo and Sejanus
HEAR MY CALL CAPTAINS @FataLity- @ExpertNoob @bewater @grga_man @Happy.. @UltimateTroll @Nexxus @Tyrande

ROUND UP YOUR SOLDIERS
You guys can round up my soldier anytime  ;)
how could I forget @nikolagay one of our most beloved soldiers
mordor didnt mention jimmy while jimmy left after poll result sadKEK

And this is how all of this will finish once again
I dont know who decides that there are imbalances since cen doesn't play the game but nothing can be imbalanced more than 6.90 tuskar and visage. We just got used to terrain now taking it back and gotto get used to old one again despite votes or on the side of 7.0. Weird decision
You all totally fucked up the game, enjoy playing this shit 6.90 .im done
I dont get what type of feedbacks do you needed to changed back into  that shit 6.90 with bugs and shits, and dont listening to others who say that is better to play 7.00
At least please, next time dont fucking change the map , and show them the project you got, dont fuck us by changing this game 10 times, after we played a while
And for 10 idiots who didnt like that map on forum we have to change it back, when no one was talking ingame about no likeing that new map
So gg, well done
cen with this decision, you're just delaying the inevitable and setting us back for 6 months. People have just started aclimating, bringing the old map back will just escalate into more problems when the time comes to reupload v7 again.

By saying that 7.0 is imbalanced compared to 6.9 just confirms that you shouldn't be taking up for yourself to make such a decision.

Putting the above arguments aside, the poll results were in favor of v7 too.
Great decision, now I can go back to climbing the ladder with my boy Corristo and hopefully all the greedy pro players are gone.

Give the players what they want, 6.83! LETS GO
Lol dude,long story short: pro players are playing DOta2 long ago. These so called pros here, just have a potato PC, and they cant run proper Dota2. So they are trying to morph Dota1 into Dota2.
I'm glad we can finally return to classic dota1, maybe Drakolich will change his mind and make a rollback for the UI and the terrain, so it can fit classic players desire as well. This would be a long run solution for both sides. But knowing him he won't rollback anything out of principle.
See you ingame lads!
Great decision !!!  I'm glad they heard the voice of the players.
Dota 1 is something what is unique and shouldn't be replaced with cheap versions of Dota 2. Admins and Map creators should separate Dota 1 and Dota 2 and consider in future to keep that way.The old classic Dota 1 is back, as most of the people wanted.
I'm very happy! Dota 1 and Dota 2 are two different stories which should be respected as they are. Mixing each other is making something which is not good for the both sides. Now we all go back to fight for our psr as we did before the new update. See you back in the game 6.90 !!! Classic Dota 1 is back !   ;D ;D :y: :y:
Have fun all! Greetings  :peace:

So talents are classic for you, extra slot for tp is classic for you, bounty runes are classic for you, new heroes are classic for you (mk, ww, earth spirit, oracle), new items like bloodthorn, glimmer, greaves etc. are classic for you???
You enjoy it because every year map is updating by something new, we will see how you will enjoy it when map doesnt update 10 years..
Draco make new terrain so by new terrain in future he can update a lot of new things (i think), by me its wise choice to do so, also new mechanics and staff way more better.
"New mechanics and stuff"
Hahaha I laughed so good at this! :D
I don't know why you guys complain so much about cens decision, as he did keep new map as well, and you can host it by using certain command.

And yeah 7.0 has more imbalances than 6.90. You speak about tuskar, and visage, while in 7.0 is tons of heroes like that. Still as I said nobody stops you from playing it.

In my opinion both sides won, and now the players who left can return too, lobby waiting time was quite long last week or so, now it will be faster, and with option for everyone till 7.0 gets balanced up.

And once that happen it will be the default map again.

Ps. Hero balance most crucial change that need to happen there, coin counter placement should be reviewed, hero levels need to be displayed, and wards should never be free(I don't know why, but since they are free people don't wanna use them, I have to support play every game on my weaver, nobody wants to place them).

About terrain colours, and change, it was a big one for me, but I really got used to it, doesn't bother me anymore at all.
I can't actually believe it the old map is still here and the choice... so bad thuglife,feelsbadman.
but if I take a look at the situation maybe it's better for that ppl who still wants to play the old one they don't actually join the new map and ruin gameplay.
You are all crazy, so you all want classic dota? from when 6.90 its classic?
If you want to play the real dota, let's go back in time and play 1.24e, becouse that is the real dota, not even 6.90, 6.88 etc
You guys just cant adapt, and talking shit about features changes, when also from 1.24 to 6.90 everything changed, heros, texture , coins added and more shits on the map we were playing, you cant accept updates, so why we dont play this map 10 years, who cares couse there is the same thing to do, and people with who understanded the game knows exactly what items and shit needs to do in game
But congratz, keep fucking up this dota!
I don't know why you guys complain so much about cens decision, as he did keep new map as well, and you can host it by using certain command.
I agree with this.

If you want to play the real dota, let's go back in time and play 1.24e,
I also agree with this, it would be mega cool wouldnt it? Playing with VGs and stuff. Even tho we did it in 6.90 with our friendly polak players and deer squad.

And also 'potato pc' sounds funny, I liked that

Thanks !
@Corristo without insult or anything against u,but ur skills are same as ur iq,at very low lvl.

Lol. k nub.
Where is the new map ?? I don't understand why these cormorants removed the new map from the host bots ?? All these "people" who voted for the old map are pathetic drinkers who haven't learned to play Dota in 15 years and who go into games to ruin them. Of course, they are too lazy to read the changelog and learn new mechanics. These "people" are incapable of developing and are the source of the decay of society, which must be fought, and not satisfied their wishes. The new map is more team play. The drinkers are accustomed to farm a desolator in the forest on the conditional Sand King and not bother about anything.  If the local administration has brains, then  must install a new map. Returning to the old is degradation.
  Let me remind you that the old map is also a product of Dracolich and his team, thanks to which we can play Dota 1 with new colors today. And what is your gratitude? Do you reject his new product, which has many times more functionality and variety? Seriously?? Shame!
Have you guys from the Lobbying group remembered this beautiful moment? Ah,... memories  :lovely:
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 16, 2020, 01:43
The name of this thread is just way off, its literally just @mordor911 trying to shit on v7 to get his favorite toy back, rename please.

And to the most ridicolous part, DIFFERENT opinions either get ignored or labeled as spam by the god himself

both @Happy.. and @Tyrande came with straight facts which you quickly brushed aside because it clearly doesnt fit your narrative

How is life treating you in that echo chamber?

MY HERO @mordor911 , do better
Title: Re: Dota1 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: No_LiFeR_xD on December 16, 2020, 02:27

Because of that, the majority of remotely decent players have left this platform which created an illusion that only '35%' of people here are playing v7.

@Happy..  I agree with croatian boy.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 16, 2020, 06:24
Week2 Day4

Dota6.9/games players
18/30
20/30
19/30
22/30
18+20+19+22 = 79/120

Dota7.0/games players
12/30
10/30
11/30
08/30
12+10+11+08 = 41/120


(https://i.imgur.com/mq73vtL.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/i3yiBSY.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/eS7antH.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/VKWgIos.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: .SaLiH. on December 16, 2020, 10:57
u make same in titanquest too?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 16, 2020, 16:19
Dota7 lobbying group is challenging @mordor911 to bo3 dota knockout. We will play the 6.9 map - at your convenience. Please assemble your team, judging from the players you have tagged previously, picking just 4 teammates will be hard, the potential over there is off the charts.

If you win even 1 game, we'll join you and become 6.9 supporters, you'll get rid of our notorious dota7 lobbying group.

Since you're so convinced all the bad players moved to 7+, and only the good ones remained playing 6.9, it shouldn't be too much of a challenge for you boys, right?

@mordor911
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 17, 2020, 01:08
Week2 Day5

Dota6.9/games players
20/30
21/30
19/30
21/30
18/30
20+21+19+21+18 = 99/150
Dota6.9 = 99 games played

Dota7.0/games players
10/30
09/30
11/30
09/30
12/30
10+09+11+09+12 = 51/150
Dota7 = 51 games played

(https://i.imgur.com/ibXs7Cd.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/BjgAB5X.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/t2sat1y.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/qTssGaP.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/cRimlhV.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 17, 2020, 01:58
quote of the day @mordor911

“People who make up their minds about something never listen to advice - especially when it's to the contrary.”
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 17, 2020, 20:34
@territory23 you've been awfully quiet, what's your opinion on this subject?

Also, what's the status update on your balance formula? Can you do some analysis on ingame balance of v7 players vs v6?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 18, 2020, 06:18
(https://i.imgur.com/Xjihcya.png)

Week2: Total games = 531+277 = 808
Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6 = 99 +109+ 59 + 79 + 99 + 86 = 531 map6.9 games finished
Dota7.0 = Day1+Day2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6 = 45 + 71 + 31 + 41 + 51 + 38 = 277 map7.0 games finished


Week2 Day6

Dota6.9/games players
21/28
15/23
15/26
19/26
16/21
21+15+15+19+16 = 86/124
Dota6.9 = 86  games played ~ 69,36%


Dota7.0/games players
07/28
08/23
11/26
07/26
05/21
07+08+11+07+05 = 38/124
Dota7 = 38 games played ~ 30,64%


(https://i.imgur.com/w1RT8a1.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/EZhwO3k.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/CGwAiCt.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/C9sxGas.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/LwXU6J3.png)

Quote
@cen   yesterday Dota6.9 got almost 70% of games. It is more than obvious to see this number is increasing every day for Dota6.9 and Dota7 aka Dota2 game popularity drops. Make Dota6.9 map default again with !pub command, see my proofs/daily statistics.
Gaming experience has been ruined to 70% players 2 weeks ago with switching command and here are few ideas how to fix current situation and to improve gaming experience to 70% players:

- Just switch map again, Dota6.9 as default map with !pub command and Dota7 with !pubSomething

- Separate 2 leagues with 2 ladders for new season, with separated commands and with separated custom games
/w lagabuse !pub name - for Dota6.9
/w la-dota !pub name - for Dota7
or vice versa, /w lagabuse was used in past for original Dota and should be given to Dota6.9
/w customgame !pub name - for custom games

- If separating like this is not possible, give back !pub to 6.9 and make 2 ladders for 2 games. Make exception in database to split 2 maps into 2 public ladders.

- If all above is not possible make !pub to be informative and give to both maps !pubSomething
Quote
    /w la-dota !pub name
    You whisper to la-dota: !pub name
    la-dota whispers: To host Dota6.9 map use /w la-dota !pubc name | To host Dota7.0 map use /w la-dota !pubn name


To repeat again, favoritism of Dota7 without reason is damaging Dota6.9 in the long run, and Dota6.9 is much more popular with 70% of player base and need to be primary and default map, if not default, then give equality, no advantage should be given to Dota7.


Week2 Day1:

Dota6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 5 pages 144 games:
21/30
23/30
20/30
20/30
15/24
21+23+20+20+15 = 99/144 games played
Dota6.9 = 99 games played

09/30
07/30
10/30
10/30
09/24
Dota7/games played 09+07+10+10+09 = 45/144 Dota7 games played
Dota7 = 45 games played

(https://i.imgur.com/9dQKzjy.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/40p4I4u.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/hrXiZRF.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/VH4m23e.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/mqnnZwT.png)


Week2 Day2:

Dota6.9 games played since switch, every page has 30 games in total on 6 pages are 180 games:
21/30
18/30
18/30
17/30
17/30
18/30
21+18+18+17+17+18 = 109/180 Dota6.9/games
Dota6.9 = 109 games played

Dota7.0/games players
09/30
12/30
12/30
13/30
13/30
12/30
09+12+12+13+13+12 = 71/180 Dota7 games
Dota7    = 71 games played

(https://i.imgur.com/2Ej3XHd.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ixQ3BKx.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Y0C3p4e.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/nmKAfxK.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ieTgNSG.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/PMyKhWb.png)


Week2 Day3

Dota6.9/games players
18/30
23/30
18/30
18+23+18 = 59/90
Dota6.9 = 59 games played

Dota7.0/games players
12/30
07/30
12/30
12+07+12 = 31/90
Dota7.0 = 31 games played

(https://i.imgur.com/cW5zcHD.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UdtHi4m.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/gnGBS4S.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/pz9|24H.png)


Week2 Day4

Dota6.9/games players
18/30
20/30
19/30
22/30
18+20+19+22 = 79/120
Dota6.9 = 79 games played

Dota7.0/games players
12/30
10/30
11/30
08/30
12+10+11+08 = 41/120
Dota7 = 41 games played

(https://i.imgur.com/mq73vtL.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/i3yiBSY.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/eS7antH.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/VKWgIos.png)


Week2 Day5

Dota6.9/games players
20/30
21/30
19/30
21/30
18/30
20+21+19+21+18 = 99/150
Dota6.9 = 99 games played

Dota7.0/games players
10/30
09/30
11/30
09/30
12/30
10+09+11+09+12 = 51/150
Dota7 = 51 games played

(https://i.imgur.com/ibXs7Cd.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/BjgAB5X.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/t2sat1y.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/qTssGaP.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/cRimlhV.png)


Week2 Day6

Dota6.9/games players
21/28
15/23
15/26
19/26
16/21
21+15+15+19+16 = 86/124
Dota6.9 = 86  games played ~ 69,36%

Dota7.0/games players
07/28
08/23
11/26
07/26
05/21
07+08+11+07+05 = 38/124
Dota7 = 38 games played ~ 30,64%

(https://i.imgur.com/w1RT8a1.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/EZhwO3k.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/CGwAiCt.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/C9sxGas.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/LwXU6J3.png)


Week2 Day7

Dota6.9/games players
13/26
12/26
17/28
12/22
14/24
17/27
16/26
13+12+17+12+14+17+16 = 101/179
Dota6.9 = 101 games played

Dota7/games players
13/26
14/26
11/28
10/22
10/24
10/27
10/26
13+14+11+10+10+10+10 = 78/179
Dota7 = 78 games played

(https://i.imgur.com/vTzf2Wf.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/3V5Ro3Q.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/5IUeUYe.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/q57heK8.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/baMR3PW.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/FYhRNNM.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/mJtmdJo.png)


Week2 to1000:
Dota6.9/games players
06/13
Dota6.9 = 6 games played

Dota7/games players
07/13
Dota7 = 7 games played
(https://i.imgur.com/qbqs2tZ.png)


- Day1:
Dota6.9  =  99   games
Dota7     =  45   games

- Day2:
Dota6.9  =  109 games
Dota7     =  71   games

- Day3:
Dota6.9  =  59   games
Dota7     =  31   games

- Day4:
Dota6.9  =  79   games
Dota7     =  41   games

- Day5:
Dota6.9  =  99   games
Dota7     =  51   games

- Day6:
Dota6.9  =  86   games
Dota7     =  38   games

- Day7:
Dota6.9  = 101 games
Dota7     =  78 games

- Day-To1000:
Dota6.9  = 6 games
Dota7     = 7 games


Previous results Week 1
For confused fellas who ask what is Dota7:
(https://i.imgur.com/6dxOk2c.png)

ALL GAMES CALCULATED IN THE LAST 7 DAYS SINCE DEFAULT MAP CHANGE
AND AFTER ADVANTAGE  HAS BEEN GIVEN TO MINORITY MAP Dota7
to1000 are taken games from day8 for total of 1000games played statistic.

- Day1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 95 - 11 = 84 games
Dota7 - draw = 55 - 6 = 49 games

- Day2 part1:
Dota6.9 - draw = 67 - 9 = 58 games
Dota7 - draw = 53 - 13 = 40 games
- Day2 part2:
Dota6.9 - draw = 42 - 2 = 40 games
Dota7 - draw = 35 - 3 = 32 games

- Day3:
Dota6.9 - draw = 79 - 3 = 76  games
Dota7 - draw = 61 - 8 = 53 games

- Day4:
Dota6.9 - draw = 88 - 5 = 83 games
Dota7 - draw = 64 - 16 = 48 games

- Day5:
Dota6.9 - draw = 90 - 8 = 82 games
Dota7 - draw = 56 - 9 = 45 games

- Day6:
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 7 =  84 games
Dota7 - draw = 62 - 9 = 53 games

- Day7:
Dota6.9 - draw = 91 - 5 = 86 games
Dota7 - draw = 59 - 6 = 53 games

- to1000:
Dota6.9 - draw = 22 - 2 = 20 games
Dota7 - draw = 18 - 4 = 14 games

Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 = 84+58+40+76+83+82+84+86+20= 613 map6.9 games finished

Dota7 = Day1+Day2part1+Day2part2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 =
49+40+32+53+48+45+53+53+14= 387 map7.0 games finished


Total games played in last 7 days since default map change with 2 pages to get thousand games played = 613+387= 1000
For sure 5%-15% games are result of default dota7 map autopick on !pub command. 61% games at this moment are dota6.9 while real balance is for sure over 65% for dota6.9. Main question is without this help from !pub command does dota7 have over 30% of total games at all?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: begin on December 18, 2020, 12:10
what is this shit again
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: .SaLiH. on December 18, 2020, 13:20
dota8 is coming mister mordor

prepare your graphs !
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: AGENT on December 18, 2020, 15:28
Use fucking spoilers ffs.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: territory23 on December 18, 2020, 22:49
@territory23 you've been awfully quiet, what's your opinion on this subject?

Also, what's the status update on your balance formula? Can you do some analysis on ingame balance of v7 players vs v6?

v7 is more unfair because only good players can level up and if you have  bad line you can see lvl 6 players in 15 minutes. In old map, better players only got more gold but in v7 they have more gold + level (i mean, like lvl 15 vs lvl 7).

My old formula about balance consist of KDA stats and points for each score, instead of PSR. The formula is the same, regardless of map. For example +2 points for Kills, -1 for deaths and +1 for assists. There we have the player score.

I came across a stiuation that I got 1380 PSR with 4-6-9 stats and someone got 1600 PSR with same stats. We affect PSR very differently but got same stats. Same goes for new account pro players. They have 1550 PSR but KDA is around 12-4-10.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 18, 2020, 22:56
v7 is more unfair because only good players can level up and if you have  bad line you can see lvl 6 players in 15 minutes. In old map, better players only got more gold but in v7 they have more gold + level (i mean, like lvl 15 vs lvl 7).

My old formula about balance consist of KDA stats and points for each score, instead of PSR. The formula is the same, regardless of map. For example +2 points for Kills, -1 for deaths and +1 for assists. There we have the player score.

I came across a stiuation that I got 1380 PSR with 4-6-9 stats and someone got 1600 PSR with same stats. We affect PSR very differently but got same stats. Same goes for new account pro players. They have 1550 PSR but KDA is around 12-4-10.

Very intriguing and good points, thanks

@MarvinJunior
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 19, 2020, 00:26
I'm so excited to see a true veteran join this thread to share some of his most recent discoveries about the balance system

ty @territory23
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: territory23 on December 19, 2020, 00:39
Not recent. I got a topic long ago. Nothing has changed...
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 19, 2020, 00:44
Not recent. I got a topic long ago. Nothing has changed...

idk what you want change
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: territory23 on December 19, 2020, 00:51
I do not want not change the topic here, It was all discussed in my topic.

My last reply was for Marvin's sarcastic comments.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 19, 2020, 22:07
New season hype @mordor911
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 20, 2020, 00:03
dota2eurobattle.league will start in the following days.
@https://www.dota2.com/league/ (https://www.dota2.com) - take care because dota2eurobattle will steal your players

@territory23  truth, Dota7 aka Dota2 is very balanced to play. In one game Witch Doctor super carry had easy job to destroy Mortred, Tuskar and 3 more guys, alone. Not possible in Dota1 map6.9

dota8 is coming mister mordor
prepare your graphs !
Good Luck.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 20, 2020, 00:36
Week2: Total games = 638+362 = 1000
Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 = 99 +109+ 59 + 79 + 99 + 86 + 101 + 6 = 638 map6.9 games finished
Dota7.0 = Day1+Day2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 = 45 + 71 + 31 + 41 + 51 + 38 +  78  + 7 = 362 map7.0 games finished


Reminder Week1 results:

Dota6.9 = 613 games finished
Dota7.0 = 387 games finished
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Nexxus on December 20, 2020, 10:33
@territory23 you've been awfully quiet, what's your opinion on this subject?

Also, what's the status update on your balance formula? Can you do some analysis on ingame balance of v7 players vs v6?

v7 is more unfair because only good players can level up and if you have  bad line you can see lvl 6 players in 15 minutes. In old map, better players only got more gold but in v7 they have more gold + level (i mean, like lvl 15 vs lvl 7).

My old formula about balance consist of KDA stats and points for each score, instead of PSR. The formula is the same, regardless of map. For example +2 points for Kills, -1 for deaths and +1 for assists. There we have the player score.

I came across a stiuation that I got 1380 PSR with 4-6-9 stats and someone got 1600 PSR with same stats. We affect PSR very differently but got same stats. Same goes for new account pro players. They have 1550 PSR but KDA is around 12-4-10.

wow very insane statistics and analysis from our expert analysis territory, i totally agree with you 100% true
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: AntlermanXXL on December 20, 2020, 12:20
Week2: Total games = 638+362 = 1000
Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 = 99 +109+ 59 + 79 + 99 + 86 + 101 + 6 = 638 map6.9 games finished
Dota7.0 = Day1+Day2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 = 45 + 71 + 31 + 41 + 51 + 38 +  78  + 7 = 362 map7.0 games finished


Reminder Week1 results:

Dota6.9 = 613 games finished
Dota7.0 = 387 games finished

I think you are omitting unfinished Dota 7.XX games on purpose, to change the outcome of this investigation. Calculating only finished games, which amount is showing to us less than half of real picture, will of course bring you desired results.

If we consider those unfinished games, we will see that people are still playing way more games than 362 and 387. They are still playing.
That means those 7.XX games are way more interesting and enjoyable to play, compared to 6.9X games.


On a very serious note, it reminds me of Quantum finish:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5MohK5FHEY
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 20, 2020, 13:58
Week2: Total games = 638+362 = 1000
Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 = 99 +109+ 59 + 79 + 99 + 86 + 101 + 6 = 638 map6.9 games finished
Dota7.0 = Day1+Day2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7+to1000 = 45 + 71 + 31 + 41 + 51 + 38 +  78  + 7 = 362 map7.0 games finished


Reminder Week1 results:

Dota6.9 = 613 games finished
Dota7.0 = 387 games finished

I think you are omitting unfinished Dota 7.XX games on purpose, to change the outcome of this investigation. Calculating only finished games, which amount is showing to us less than half of real picture, will of course bring you desired results.

If we consider those unfinished games, we will see that people are still playing way more games than 362 and 387. They are still playing.
That means those 7.XX games are way more interesting and enjoyable to play, compared to 6.9X games.


On a very serious note, it reminds me of Quantum finish:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5MohK5FHEY

Idk, what about unfinished 6.9 gameS?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Rob_Real on December 20, 2020, 20:39
Hello guys!

Many of you asked my personal opinion about dota version. Not sure if my word will be heard but still...

Idea is to have BOTH versions on the server (if possible). Some people like 6.90, some people like 7.00 and so on. I don't want to argue about what version is better, this is a matter of taste. I'm not sure if ladder should be separated for different versions since they are not equal, so this is up to developers.

P. S.
On behalf of community i want to say "Thank you!" to all people who develop and maintain good old game. Many of us played it since childhood. My way started in 2004 from LAN DOTA games. Now I'm 28 and i'm really happy that i still can play it on this server.

Take care guys!
Andrii
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 20, 2020, 21:22
Finally, someone appreciates work of staff
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 20, 2020, 23:21
Dota6.9 = Week1 + Week2 = 613 + 638 = 1251 games played

Dota7.0 = Week1 + Week2 = 387 + 362 =  749  games played


I think you are omitting unfinished Dota 7.XX games on purpose, to change the outcome of this investigation. Calculating only finished games, which amount is showing to us less than half of real picture, will of course bring you desired results.

If we consider those unfinished games, we will see that people are still playing way more games than 362 and 387. They are still playing.
That means those 7.XX games are way more interesting and enjoyable to play, compared to 6.9X games.
This is done after my first calculations and this is not coincidence. Check Day4 results and fake accounts leavers
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,198483.msg705190.html#msg705190
Dota6.9 - draw = 88 - 5 = 83 games
Dota7 - draw = 64 - 16 = 48 games

Logic is if group of few players wants to join the game only to leave and to increase total number of the games for that map, no logic to calculate since it does not give/remove PSR. If 20 of you organize to leave everyone with 1 or 2 accounts, the number of total games for Dota7 can go to 2-5x more than real result without draws.

Hello guys!

Many of you asked my personal opinion about dota version. Not sure if my word will be heard but still...

Idea is to have BOTH versions on the server (if possible). Some people like 6.90, some people like 7.00 and so on. I don't want to argue about what version is better, this is a matter of taste. I'm not sure if ladder should be separated for different versions since they are not equal, so this is up to developers.

P. S.
On behalf of community i want to say "Thank you!" to all people who develop and maintain good old game. Many of us played it since childhood. My way started in 2004 from LAN DOTA games. Now I'm 28 and i'm really happy that i still can play it on this server.

Take care guys!
Andrii
Andrii you missed my posts and my point. Administration could have done it without need to favorise any map, this is why this topic and discussion is open. Next year will be less Dota6.9 games not because presence of Dota7 aka Dota2 and not because 30% of players are playing Dota7, but because administration replaced map which the majority of players play. This advantage comes with idea to do damage to Dota1 aka Dota6.9 and it will be harder to make a game in every point of view. This year average time to create game is not less than 10-15 minutes, in the same time next year it will be 25-30 minutes. Part of players think 6.9 is unavailable to host, or they wait 10-20 minutes in lobby and close WC3 game. This could be fixed with this logic
Quote
    /w la-dota !pub name
    You whisper to la-dota: !pub name
    la-dota whispers: To host Dota6.9 map use /w la-dota !pubc name | To host Dota7.0 map use /w la-dota !pubn name
Dota6.9 and Dota7 are not the same game and by this logic, it is logical to add LegionTD, twrpg, GaiasORPG and other maps to the same ladder. No logic to fight for #1 on the ladder if you and your rivals are not playing the same game. This is why separated leagues and separated ladder will make this game more competitive and popular. Now which league and which map will player pick, that is a matter of taste and free will.
The Lobbying group had clear intention to remove Dota6.9 map from the ladder and you are neutral about that. In 6 months - 1 year my posts will show how administration reduced the number of total games and players who play Dota6.9, old players. This is core idea why Dota7 is default map. Nowadays are more games daily than in last 2-3 years.
Idea is to have at least equality, what is current situation can be explained with a single word - Racism.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 20, 2020, 23:28
what is current situation can be explained with a single word - Racism.

hhahahhahahahhahah

GG
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 21, 2020, 03:02
RACISM LMAO, @mordor911 you have officially lost it

I suggest you take some time off to recover, gl
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: nikolagay on December 21, 2020, 07:46
Did you know that despite only making up 13% of total played games 7.00 commits 50% .......

I laughed at the racism part for solid 2 minutes, thanks for making my Monday morning that much bearable!
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 21, 2020, 13:42
ahahah

why so racist fairy?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: AntlermanXXL on December 21, 2020, 16:51
My logic was about unfinished, still ongoing games, obviously.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 21, 2020, 22:53
RACISM LMAO, mordor911 you have officially lost it

I suggest you take some time off to recover, gl
Lost what? Your friend is racist and your group, the Lobbying group.

Dota6.9 = Week1 + Week2 = 613 + 638 = 1251 games played

Dota7.0 = Week1 + Week2 = 387 + 362 =  749  games played

500 games difference between 2 games played in the last 2 weeks is really small difference. 1000+ games per month... To not forgot advantage of !pub command.


what is current situation can be explained with a single word - Racism.

hhahahhahahahhahah

GG
« Last Edit: Today at 17:05 by Happy.. »
ahahah

why so racist fairy?
Did you know that despite only making up 13% of total played games 7.00 commits 50% .......

I laughed at the racism part for solid 2 minutes, thanks for making my Monday morning that much bearable!
I laughed at the racism part for solid 10 minutes last night and at the racist Happy..  and his brain usage  :y:
Then I laughed another 15 minutes at the confirmation of how smart his brain is when he finally relized to understand how smart he is (he borrows brain from someone since he is uncapable to use his own). Without luke's help, his racistic post would be available to everyone, not modified.
@nikolagay only you understand yourself. Go back to school and educate yourself.

My logic was about unfinished, still ongoing games, obviously.
Calculation depends on when screenshots are caught. Usually early morning/late night.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 21, 2020, 22:57
@Sejtura you gonna lobby for sanctions now when your mate's publicly calling someone a racist with no reason whatsoever? Or do your sanctions apply only to sarcasm?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: nikolagay on December 21, 2020, 23:15
@nikolagay only you understand yourself. Go back to school and educate yourself.

Boy the irony. What to pinpoint first, the fact that you're misusing the term "Racism" the whole time, or the fact that you claim you're pursuing equality while trying to shut down 7.00 entirely?

You're either a troll with too much free time on your hands, or just ignorant as hell. Either way you're not my problem, thank God. Have fun with whatever it is that you're trying to accomplish, I'll just hit you up in person in case we really have to discuss all this BS.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 21, 2020, 23:46
@nikolagay good points, but go back to school and educate yourself on RACISM
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Nexxus on December 21, 2020, 23:53
whats the whole point of this fucking thread actually i dont get it? why you trying to shut down the v7 completely? why not let the people play that map and you play the one you prefer, its simple as that, its like trying to tell someone that sells fastfood, dont sell hotdogs sell only pizza cuz its prefered by the majority?????????????????
are you actually retarded or what????? @mordor911
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: HowTo... on December 22, 2020, 17:39
Correct me if Im wrong, but isn't the purpose of this topic to keep v6 alive?

Im counting myself as the one, who would have left dota all together (after 15+ years of playing) if v6 is gone...simply didnt fall in love with v7.
Based on bot changes (!pub/!publ) it looks like that cen has no intention of dropping v6 all together, which I really appreciate as lots of ppl here. I wouldn't mind to play v6 on non ladder, like custom map, but problem would be increased amount of leavers due to no autoban in those kind of games.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 22, 2020, 18:01
Correct me if Im wrong, but isn't the purpose of this topic to keep v6 alive?

Im counting myself as the one, who would have left dota all together (after 15+ years of playing) if v6 is gone...simply didnt fall in love with v7.
Based on bot changes (!pub/!publ) it looks like that cen has no intention of dropping v6 all together, which I really appreciate as lots of ppl here. I wouldn't mind to pay v6 on non ladder, like custom map, but problem would be increased amount of leavers due to no autoban in those kind of games.

Well, it could done that number of games counted in v6 games and psr and stats not. And autoban could still work too
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: HowTo... on December 22, 2020, 18:18
w/e way it works mate, Im afraid that PSR is motivation for some sort of players, but personally I dont rly care about it...the only thing I rly care about is good game (win or loose doenst matter)

Sort of disagree with a section of stats not counting as I play v6, I dont even have v7 map downloaded, and trying to balance games based on some sort of stats is better than no balance at all. At the minute we only have PSR based system. Maybe not necessarily shared ladder could have been an option, but thats not up to me...
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 23, 2020, 04:09
Boy the irony. What to pinpoint first, the fact that you're misusing the term "Racism" the whole time, or the fact that you claim you're pursuing equality while trying to shut down 7.00 entirely?
whats the whole point of this fucking thread actually i dont get it? why you trying to shut down the v7 completely? why not let the people play that map and you play the one you prefer, its simple as that, its like trying to tell someone that sells fastfood, dont sell hotdogs sell only pizza cuz its prefered by the majority?????????????????
are you actually retarded or what????? mordor911
Nexxus did you read anything in this topic or Happy.. and MarvinJunior made your post for you? My posts are clear enough. Why is separating 2 games with 2 ladders shutting down v7 completely? Or why you do not support idea to have informative !pub command and both maps with !pubSomething?

cen   yesterday Dota6.9 got almost 70% of games. It is more than obvious to see this number is increasing every day for Dota6.9 and Dota7 aka Dota2 game popularity drops. Make Dota6.9 map default again with !pub command, see my proofs/daily statistics.
Gaming experience has been ruined to 70% players 2 weeks ago with switching command and here are few ideas how to fix current situation and to improve gaming experience to 70% players:

- Just switch map again, Dota6.9 as default map with !pub command and Dota7 with !pubSomething

- Separate 2 leagues with 2 ladders for new season, with separated commands and with separated custom games
/w lagabuse !pub name - for Dota6.9
/w la-dota !pub name - for Dota7
or vice versa, /w lagabuse was used in past for original Dota and should be given to Dota6.9
/w customgame !pub name - for custom games

- If separating like this is not possible, give back !pub to 6.9 and make 2 ladders for 2 games. Make exception in database to split 2 maps into 2 public ladders.

- If all above is not possible make !pub to be informative and give to both maps !pubSomething

Quote
    /w la-dota !pub name
    You whisper to la-dota: !pub name
    la-dota whispers: To host Dota6.9 map use /w la-dota !pubc name | To host Dota7.0 map use /w la-dota !pubn name
To repeat again, favoritism of Dota7 without reason is damaging Dota6.9 in the long run, and Dota6.9 is much more popular with 70% of player base and need to be primary and default map, if not default, then give equality, no advantage should be given to Dota7.

Correct me if Im wrong, but isn't the purpose of this topic to keep v6 alive?

Im counting myself as the one, who would have left dota all together (after 15+ years of playing) if v6 is gone...simply didnt fall in love with v7.
Thank you for not leaving dota. Yes the purpose of this topic is to keep Dota6.9 alive and to make it be at least equal to Dota7.0. Why equal? Because the current situation is in favor to Dota7 and Dota7 lobbyists (the Lobbying group of people) wants to suppress or remove completely our Dota6.9 and every opinion or complain about current situation. Since my first post in this topic you can notice spam posts from The Lobbying group where they are trying to suppress every good opinion about Dota6.9, or statistics and ideas. There is no reason to overtake from Dota6.9 and grant !pub command to Dota7, see statistics where Dota6.9 have 65-70% of games played, from this logic there is no reason to give !pub to map which is not Dota1 related map and which have 30-35% games. Much better for both games to have informative command !pub with info how to create the game and !pub something for both games to create the game.

Based on bot changes (!pub/!publ) it looks like that cen has no intention of dropping v6 all together, which I really appreciate as lots of ppl here. I wouldn't mind to pay v6 on non ladder, like custom map, but problem would be increased amount of leavers due to no autoban in those kind of games.
Unfortunately you are wrong about that, see this topic and what is previously announced:
https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php/topic,197563.msg702594.html#msg702594
Quote from: cen on August 04, 2020, 23:47
After reading the discussions and player feedback here is what will be done for now:
1. 6.90a8 will be put back as default.
2. v7.00d1 will be available via !privobs and will count towards ladder.
Points:
- some of the bugs and imbalances mentioned tell me it is not quite the prime time for v7, we will wait for final release before putting it back as default.
- I expect v6 will have to be removed in the long term, depending on the game stats.
My expectations are from 70% Dota6.9 players after removing Dota6.9 map, minimum 50% from total number is going to leave this server and from 1000 Dota games per week, remaining games will drop to about 200 games per week.
In the long run if Dota6.9 will stay, removing of !pub means slowly pushing away Dota1 aka Dota6.9 map and placing Dota7 aka Dota2 as replacement. Logic is very simple, player is trying to host the game and with !pub he is creating Dota7 and here comes confusion and he leave or wait on someone else to create. Another example, player wants to create remake, he goes with !pub instead of !publ and again Dota7 map is created. Other players already came to the game, so host need to !unhost. Entire process takes 30s to 1 minute because when you unhost you can not create instantly, but it takes another 15-20 seconds and players are gone, wasted time... This is great inspiration to stop playing that day and to play something else. If you read entire topic you will create entire picture of current situation.
This slow process will have effect over time and players will leave, less players means less games, and all because administration and the Lobbying group who wants to remove Dota1. Dota7 can not be considered as Dota1 map because it is not.
Playing map as custom game won't work, ladder and PSR are the reason why people play so hard to expect enough players to play. Leavers is another not so relevant problem since there is a small chance to start custom game.

w/e way it works mate, Im afraid that PSR is motivation for some sort of players, but personally I dont rly care about it...the only thing I rly care about is good game (win or loose doenst matter)

Sort of disagree with a section of stats not counting as I play v6, I dont even have v7 map downloaded, and trying to balance games based on some sort of stats is better than no balance at all. At the minute we only have PSR based system. Maybe not necessarily shared ladder could have been an option, but thats not up to me...
Current idea with ladder is joke and makes entire league false. One group is playing 1st game, another is playing 2nd game and ladder is shared by people who are playing different games. Cool improvement is to share this ladder with GreenTD, LegionTD, twrpg, Unicorn Orpg, Pudge Wars, SurvivalChaos, GaiasORPG and DotA_LoD. After all this is all Dota1.
Luckily all 4 moderators are Dota6.9 players, from admins ksv is 6.9 map player, no much info about others.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: nikolagay on December 23, 2020, 08:44
Cool improvement is to share this ladder with GreenTD, LegionTD, twrpg, Unicorn Orpg, Pudge Wars, SurvivalChaos, GaiasORPG and DotA_LoD. After all this is all Dota1.

Uhm... What?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: .SaLiH. on December 23, 2020, 09:35
@Akuma
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 23, 2020, 14:42
I think shared ladder will backfire anyway because 1 player can play 7.00 which is more or less balanced and bugs and op heroes get fixed and another can play lich on 6.9 who has over 50% win rate. But guess which 1 will have more psr?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 23, 2020, 16:31
@mordor911  :)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 23, 2020, 23:31
@mordor911  please stop hiring assassins to ruin my games

https://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6347936

@Brandy did he offer you a spot in his infamous stack?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 24, 2020, 06:48
I think shared ladder will backfire anyway because 1 player can play 7.00 which is more or less balanced and bugs and op heroes get fixed and another can play lich on 6.9 who has over 50% win rate. But guess which 1 will have more psr?
Not only Lich, good carry with Roof in team is 2x stronger, Storm makes game harder to deward with his infinite damage and some other heroes can have over 50% win rate easily. After all it is good every hero can be countered and heroes like Lich and Storm are not on high level in the most of the games. This makes Dota6.9 balanced game.
Dota7 players are in advantage to be higher ranked because the game is less balanced and Dota7 duration is usually much shorter compared to Dota6.9 where average playing time is above 45 minutes. This is not hard visually to be noticed on the Stats page. There are exceptions where Dota7 games are extremely long, probably not possible to finish for both teams, here is one good example - bladekino, 2 games in less than 4 hours and average game time 93 minutes?
Longer game = less PSR compared to faster game player in this situation.
2 different games situation.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Sejanus on December 24, 2020, 13:16
+ to whatever @mordor911 said in this topic.

He has a point.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 24, 2020, 14:17
Cool improvement is to share this ladder with GreenTD, LegionTD, twrpg, Unicorn Orpg, Pudge Wars, SurvivalChaos, GaiasORPG. After all this is all Dota1.

Mordor911, 2020.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: bookeyize on December 24, 2020, 16:14
Do you know hoe much actually my brains hurts reading comments @mordor911 wrote,boy i won against you with blindfold on the eyes every fucking game, stop talking about dota you clueless creature, keep play your 6.9 i don't want to see you in 7.00 anyway.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Akuma on December 24, 2020, 17:20
Thanks for summoning me mr Salih. I might read full conversation once I have more time but I'll post my opinion regardless.

First of all to make things clear mordor911 is efko. He tends to get confused really easily (check my signature) and understanding progress is a higher math to him.

He was the guy who wanted to remain with icefrog dota when we had a vote in a private admin section where we discussed this a while back.

He feels useless and tries to attack current admin team at any opportunity, he was one of these people who hoped he will be admin until the end of this server while doing nothing. His only contribution was some useless smiley options nobody was ever using. So basically he will judge admins on whatever decision they take, but especially if there are some changes.

Efko is dumb - and by this I mean low intelligence. He can't comprehend some "big changes" like changing the name of the bot, or updating the map. It triggers him, and there is no way of dealing with it, his brain just can't get it, its like a dog chasing cars.
----------------------------
Regarding the map, I never played the new one (lack of time for dota) so I can't make a valid comparison between new and old map - but progress is always good. If I was still a player I would probably be delighted to get some new content and some updates. The community should keep up with changes mr. Dracolich makes and stay updated as much as possible, and this was always my opinion.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 24, 2020, 17:38
Seem like very toxik comment. Also it only attacks person, not his argument. With other word, Ad hominem like always.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 24, 2020, 17:39
+ to whatever @Akuma  said in this topic.

He has a point.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 24, 2020, 17:49
First of all to make things clear mordor911 is efko.

hahahahahahahah, figures and makes perfect sense.

GG, no further discussion is needed.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Nexxus on December 24, 2020, 18:42
Do you know hoe much actually my brains hurts reading comments @mordor911 wrote,boy i won against you with blindfold on the eyes every fucking game, stop talking about dota you clueless creature, keep play your 6.9 i don't want to see you in 7.00 anyway.
everyhwereize god gg
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 24, 2020, 20:21
Do you know hoe much actually my brains hurts reading comments mordor911 wrote,boy i won against you with blindfold on the eyes every fucking game, stop talking about dota you clueless creature, keep play your 6.9 i don't want to see you in 7.00 anyway.
Good, we understand each other and thank you for support. We are not playing the same game anymore and no point to have any connection. Finally someone from Dota7 club to support my idea in public, You agreed with point 2, 3 and 4, (#2. Separate 2 leagues with 2 ladders, with separated commands, #3 If separating like this is not possible, give back !pub to 6.9 and make 2 ladders for 2 games. Make exception in database to split 2 maps into 2 public ladders, #4 If all above is not possible make !pub to be informative and give to both maps !pubSomething).
@bookeyize thanks again for your support.

cen   yesterday Dota6.9 got almost 70% of games. It is more than obvious to see this number is increasing every day for Dota6.9 and Dota7 aka Dota2 game popularity drops. Make Dota6.9 map default again with !pub command, see my proofs/daily statistics.
Gaming experience has been ruined to 70% players 2 weeks ago with switching command and here are few ideas how to fix current situation and to improve gaming experience to 70% players:

- 1. Just switch map again, Dota6.9 as default map with !pub command and Dota7 with !pubSomething

- 2. Separate 2 leagues with 2 ladders for new season, with separated commands and with separated custom games
/w lagabuse !pub name - for Dota6.9
/w la-dota !pub name - for Dota7
or vice versa, /w lagabuse was used in past for original Dota and should be given to Dota6.9
/w customgame !pub name - for custom games

- 3. If separating like this is not possible, give back !pub to 6.9 and make 2 ladders for 2 games. Make exception in database to split 2 maps into 2 public ladders.

- 4. If all above is not possible make !pub to be informative and give to both maps !pubSomething
Quote
    /w la-dota !pub name
    You whisper to la-dota: !pub name
    la-dota whispers: To host Dota6.9 map use /w la-dota !pubc name | To host Dota7.0 map use /w la-dota !pubn name
To repeat again, favoritism of Dota7 without reason is damaging Dota6.9 in the long run, and Dota6.9 is much more popular with 70% of player base and need to be primary and default map, if not default, then give equality, no advantage should be given to Dota7.
----------------------------
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Regarding the map, I never played the new one (lack of time for dota) so I can't make a valid comparison between new and old map - but progress is always good. If I was still a player I would probably be delighted to get some new content and some updates. The community should keep up with changes mr. Dracolich makes and stay updated as much as possible, and this was always my opinion.
The person who never played the game shared his opinion based on lack of his time for dota and talks about progress and what is good or bad. Admin Jimmy left administration because of the new map, he was Administrator before change. And replacing Dota1 with Dota2 map is not improvement, how can it be improvement? There is already much better and world wide popular https://www.dota2.com/league/ (https://www.dota2.com) .
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 24, 2020, 20:36
And you guys saw the new ui and decided the new map is unbalanced/bad, cute and logical @mordor911
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 24, 2020, 20:41
I bet you dont know that you can disable new UI and will be same as in 6.9
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 24, 2020, 20:42
truth, Dota7 aka Dota2 is very balanced to play. In one game Witch Doctor super carry had easy job to destroy Mortred, Tuskar and 3 more guys, alone. Not possible in Dota1 map6.9

@MarvinJunior no, it's obviously because of this. WD soloing Mortred and Tuskar, WTF WE WANT 6.83 BACK
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: grga_man on December 24, 2020, 20:59
truth, Dota7 aka Dota2 is very balanced to play. In one game Witch Doctor super carry had easy job to destroy Mortred, Tuskar and 3 more guys, alone. Not possible in Dota1 map6.9

Can you tell me what is difference between witch doctor in version 6.9 and version 7.0?
Enlighten me!
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 25, 2020, 07:01
(https://i.imgur.com/Xjihcya.png)

Merry Christmas to everyone who celebrates. Lets see stats for Week #3!


Week3 Day1

Dota6.9/games players
13/24
16/28
16/29
12/24
16/27
16/23
16/24
13+16+16+12+16+16+16 = 105/179

Dota7.0/games players
11/24
12/28
13/29
12/24
11/27
07/23
08/24
11+12+13+12+11+07+08 = 74/179

(https://i.imgur.com/LBWQrEJ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/TPNTxu0.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/XtwV4th.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/b9Tgotw.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/cKkqn0J.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/TSLj5vg.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/KNmJq2S.png)



Week3 Day2

Dota6.9/games players
16/30
17/28
16/26
17/24
15/23
15/26
08/21
16+17+16+17+15+15+08 = 104/178

Dota7.0/games players
14/30
11/28
10/26
07/24
08/23
11/26
13/21
14+11+10+07+08+11+13 = 74/178

(https://i.imgur.com/mYwuQU8.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/EBcKvO9.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/6xjVJmJ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/HZjTOSa.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/OWVPN2w.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/7utk0wS.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/8f6yu3Q.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: .SaLiH. on December 25, 2020, 10:12
Quote

Can you tell me what is difference between witch doctor in version 6.9 and version 7.0?
Enlighten me!
which doctor?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: AntlermanXXL on December 25, 2020, 11:05
Quote

Can you tell me what is difference between witch doctor in version 6.9 and version 7.0?
Enlighten me!
which doctor?
Go and fight it, LOL
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 26, 2020, 02:35
Week3 Day3

Dota6.9/games players
21/30
16/27
20/29
13/25
17/27
21+16+20+13+17 = 87/138

Dota7.0/games players
09/30
11/27
09/29
12/25
10/27
09+11+09+12+10 = 51/138

(https://i.imgur.com/rhS8DMZ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/22yogQV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UA7EJmD.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/a6YezJ0.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ll1hxiX.png)


Week3 Day4

Dota6.9/games players
18/30
14/27
18/28
15/24
11/20
18+14+18+15+11 = 76/129

Dota7.0/games players
12/30
13/27
10/28
09/24
09/20
12+13+10+09+09 = 53/129

(https://i.imgur.com/mHHLLY1.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/l4sgP9C.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/cJl3xcg.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/jnvVBkn.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/9nwyQPB.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 26, 2020, 03:11
@Happy.. perfect to your morning coffee, the daily analysis
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: myprecious on December 26, 2020, 03:16
aahahahahahah :D
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: HowTo... on December 26, 2020, 06:52
@mordor911 efko, use spoilers pls...my eyes hurt and index finger is sore
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 26, 2020, 10:33
@MarvinJunior look, the retard is posing as me now hahahhh
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 26, 2020, 15:37
@mordor911 No to racism!
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: grga_man on December 26, 2020, 19:21
@mordor911 No to racism!
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Nexxus on December 26, 2020, 19:22
@mordor911 No to racism!
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: bookeyize on December 26, 2020, 21:46
No to 6.9 i mean racism!!!
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: nikolagay on December 26, 2020, 23:10
@mordor911 No to racism!
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 27, 2020, 05:52
(https://i.imgur.com/Xjihcya.png)

Dota6.9 = Week1 + Week2 + Week3 = 613 + 638 + 594 = 1845 games played

Dota7.0 = Week1 + Week2 + Week3 = 387 + 362 + 406 = 1155  games played


Week3: Total games = 594+406 = 1000 games played
Dota6.9 = Day1+Day2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7to1000 = 105+104+87+76+93+104+25 =  594 map6.9 games finished
Dota7.0 = Day1+Day2+Day3+Day4+Day5+Day6+Day7to1000 =  74 + 74 +51+53+70+ 67 +17 =  406 map7.0 games finished


Week3 Day1

Dota6.9/games players
13/24
16/28
16/29
12/24
16/27
16/23
16/24
13+16+16+12+16+16+16 = 105/179

Dota7.0/games players
11/24
12/28
13/29
12/24
11/27
07/23
08/24
11+12+13+12+11+07+08 = 74/179

(https://i.imgur.com/LBWQrEJ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/TPNTxu0.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/XtwV4th.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/b9Tgotw.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/cKkqn0J.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/TSLj5vg.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/KNmJq2S.png)

Week3 Day2

Dota6.9/games players
16/30
17/28
16/26
17/24
15/23
15/26
08/21
16+17+16+17+15+15+08 = 104/178

Dota7.0/games players
14/30
11/28
10/26
07/24
08/23
11/26
13/21
14+11+10+07+08+11+13 = 74/178

(https://i.imgur.com/mYwuQU8.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/EBcKvO9.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/6xjVJmJ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/HZjTOSa.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/OWVPN2w.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/7utk0wS.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/8f6yu3Q.png)

Week3 Day3

Dota6.9/games players
21/30
16/27
20/29
13/25
17/27
21+16+20+13+17 = 87/138

Dota7.0/games players
09/30
11/27
09/29
12/25
10/27
09+11+09+12+10 = 51/138

(https://i.imgur.com/rhS8DMZ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/22yogQV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UA7EJmD.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/a6YezJ0.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ll1hxiX.png)

Week3 Day4

Dota6.9/games players
18/30
14/27
18/28
15/24
11/20
18+14+18+15+11 = 76/129

Dota7.0/games players
12/30
13/27
10/28
09/24
09/20
12+13+10+09+09 = 53/129

(https://i.imgur.com/mHHLLY1.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/l4sgP9C.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/cJl3xcg.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/jnvVBkn.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/9nwyQPB.png)

Week3 Day5

Dota6.9/games players
15/27
14/26
15/27
16/27
17/25
12/25
04/06
15+14+15+16+17+12+04 = 93/163

Dota7.0/games players
12/27
12/26
12/27
11/27
08/25
13/25
02/06
12+12+12+11+08+13+02 = 70/163

(https://i.imgur.com/loIYXUl.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/RNuZ4CH.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/FcJga5p.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Y9l6DuX.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/dpSX5fP.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/mnzQF72.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/nr8z8ym.png)

Week3 Day6

Dota6.9/games players
14/25
17/29
17/29
16/27
16/23
17/27
07/11
14+17+17+16+16+17+07 = 104/171

Dota7.0/games players
11/25
12/29
12/29
11/27
07/23
10/27
04/11
11+12+12+11+07+10+04 = 67/171

(https://i.imgur.com/Wrc578T.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/HKGfRNC.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/EhRPWdY.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ExHjxYe.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ohiyM4d.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/b8XEj1U.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ne9gdsZ.png)


Week3 Day7part1 to 1000

Dota6.9/games players
03/04
15/25
07/13
03+15+07 = 25/42

Dota7.0/games players
01/04
10/25
06/13
01+10+06 = 17/42

(https://i.imgur.com/eSFwboq.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/2VYd2Rh.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/4YyjfmA.png)

Reminder Week2 results:

Dota6.9 = 638 games finished
Dota7.0 = 362 games finished

Reminder Week1 results:

Dota6.9 = 613 games finished
Dota7.0 = 387 games finished

cen   yesterday Dota6.9 got almost 70% of games. It is more than obvious to see this number is increasing every day for Dota6.9 and Dota7 aka Dota2 game popularity drops. Make Dota6.9 map default again with !pub command, see my proofs/daily statistics.
Gaming experience has been ruined to 70% players 2 weeks ago with switching command and here are few ideas how to fix current situation and to improve gaming experience to 70% players:

- 1. Just switch map again, Dota6.9 as default map with !pub command and Dota7 with !pubSomething

- 2. Separate 2 leagues with 2 ladders for new season, with separated commands and with separated custom games
/w lagabuse !pub name - for Dota6.9
/w la-dota !pub name - for Dota7
or vice versa, /w lagabuse was used in past for original Dota and should be given to Dota6.9
/w customgame !pub name - for custom games

- 3. If separating like this is not possible, give back !pub to 6.9 and make 2 ladders for 2 games. Make exception in database to split 2 maps into 2 public ladders.

- 4. If all above is not possible make !pub to be informative and give to both maps !pubSomething
Quote
    /w la-dota !pub name
    You whisper to la-dota: !pub name
    la-dota whispers: To host Dota6.9 map use /w la-dota !pubc name | To host Dota7.0 map use /w la-dota !pubn name
To repeat again, favoritism of Dota7 without reason is damaging Dota6.9 in the long run, and Dota6.9 is much more popular with 70% of player base and need to be primary and default map, if not default, then give equality, no advantage should be given to Dota7.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: 4K on December 27, 2020, 14:58
About 7.00

Neutral gold increased by 10-15% (still lower than it used to be at 6.XX versions by 11%), experience by 5% (compared to 6.90 - reduced by 20%)

XP required for level ups smoothed slightly https://prnt.sc/qt61o6 https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Experience#Leveling

Reworked and simplified XP hero kill bounty system. No longer includes a team XP component
-All: ( 40+ 0.13 * DyingHeroXP ) / # of killers
Additionally, if the killed hero had a killing streak going on, bonus experience is awarded for killing them, on top of the default experience values. https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Experience#Hero_kills

Neutrals
Reduced gold and experience granted by neutrals by 20-25%
Base gold and experience reward for neutrals now increases by 2% with each creep powerup tick (each 7m 30s)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on December 27, 2020, 16:14
(https://i.ibb.co/f0GTx1y/Untitled-1.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: 4K on December 27, 2020, 16:38
(https://i.ibb.co/f0GTx1y/Untitled-1.png)
many bugs not known yet

People never try learn new..

https://youtu.be/DywamDkELJE
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 27, 2020, 17:07
@Shark4K and you are one of them hahahaha
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 28, 2020, 06:03
(https://i.ibb.co/f0GTx1y/Untitled-1.png)
many bugs not known yet

People never try learn new..
Nothing to learn in Dota2. Better to go www.dota2.com.

About 7.00

Neutral gold increased by 10-15% (still lower than it used to be at 6.XX versions by 11%), experience by 5% (compared to 6.90 - reduced by 20%)

XP required for level ups smoothed slightly https://prnt.sc/qt61o6 https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Experience#Leveling

Reworked and simplified XP hero kill bounty system. No longer includes a team XP component
-All: ( 40+ 0.13 * DyingHeroXP ) / # of killers
Additionally, if the killed hero had a killing streak going on, bonus experience is awarded for killing them, on top of the default experience values. https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Experience#Hero_kills

Neutrals
Reduced gold and experience granted by neutrals by 20-25%
Base gold and experience reward for neutrals now increases by 2% with each creep powerup tick (each 7m 30s)
Great place to learn Dota2 with dota2.gamepedia.

This week is going to be very very very special. 1000+ week ;D

Week 4
Week3Part2After1000


Dota6.9/games players
12/27
16/26
14/28
13/24
13/24
12+16+14+13+13 = 68/129

Dota7.0/games players
15/27
10/26
14/28
11/24
11/24
15+10+14+11+11 = 61/129

(https://i.imgur.com/4j4DbfH.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZgTrsP8.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/jCOTAFC.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/HeAdQ2N.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/F9ifBmQ.png)


Week4 Day1

Dota6.9/games players
12/28
18/28
17/27
16/26
13/25
19/26
18/27
06/13
12+18+17+16+13+19+18+06 = 119/200

Dota7.0/games players
16/28
10/28
10/27
10/26
12/25
07/26
09/27
07/13
16+10+10+10+12+07+09+07 = 81/200


(https://i.imgur.com/vGhbYA4.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/aJtgxs0.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/55qwJhi.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/dC05IcI.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/oydAppw.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/MpFkU2G.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/IG4aCWV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/YjIT45R.png)

Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on December 28, 2020, 11:50
@MarvinJunior just noticed the real reason why's the retard so desperately lobbying for 6.9. He keeps spamming Tuscar and Visage in games ahahahahh

P. S. I'll just address him as The Retard from now on
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: MarvinJunior on December 28, 2020, 20:39
@Happy.. hahahahaahah, great detective work
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 29, 2020, 01:49
Week4 Day2

Dota6.9/games players
16/29
14/27
16/27
14/27
15/26
15/22
14/22
16/24
05/10
16+14+16+14+15+15+14+16+05 = 125/214

Dota7.0/games players
13/29
13/27
11/27
13/27
11/26
07/22
08/22
08/24
05/10
13+13+11+13+11+07+08+08+05 = 89/214


(https://i.imgur.com/AeRhCSd.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/YAKpy0F.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/e9Hz91L.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/FHVjYXe.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/uug8yz1.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ikR4VQ6.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/THMDiFA.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/tyyqbGu.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/06SkID3.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Nexxus on December 30, 2020, 03:30
@MarvinJunior just noticed the real reason why's the retard so desperately lobbying for 6.9. He keeps spamming Tuscar and Visage in games ahahahahh

P. S. I'll just address him as The Retard from now on

detective fairy on the case, good job ! ! !
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 30, 2020, 06:41
Week4 Day3

Dota6.9/games players
13/26
14/28
18/28
17/29
18/28
17/25
06/11
13+14+18+17+18+17+06 = 103/175


Dota7.0/games players
13/26
14/28
10/28
12/29
10/28
08/25
05/11
13+14+10+12+10+08+05 = 72/175

(https://i.imgur.com/SI40DvO.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/JWMT2k6.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/LkiJttb.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/2IaYZSS.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/JuQHAzp.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/amtSfMm.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/62auuHC.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 31, 2020, 02:53
Week4 Day4

Dota6.9/games players
11/25
14/26
14/24
14/23
21/27
15/25
11+14+14+14+21+15 = 89/150

Dota7.0/games players
14/25
12/26
10/24
09/23
06/27
10/25
14+12+10+09+06+10 = 61/150


(https://i.imgur.com/J8HQQoJ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Dq9mv7C.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/H3ct8pm.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/C7YwQ4h.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/YkgUtIk.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/mvxCkFO.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on December 31, 2020, 23:46
Week4 Day5

Dota6.9/games players
04/05
17/27
16/26
19/27
12/22
17/23
02/02
04+17+16+19+12+17+02 = 87/132

Dota7.0/games players
01/05
10/27
10/26
08/27
10/22
06/23
00/02
01+10+10+08+10+06+00 = 45/132

(https://i.imgur.com/Aprz2gg.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/HMq6RSY.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ew5V928.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/CUUpxTe.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/hlKIQlo.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/bO6VLrn.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/5GRfeOx.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on January 01, 2021, 06:12
(https://i.imgur.com/Xjihcya.png)

Happy New Year to all Dota fans and very soon is coming Happy1000.
Lets this year fix injustice and set all the things like before. For better year  :y:


Dota6.9 = Week1 + Week2 + Week3 + Week4 = 613 + 638 + 594 + 591 = 2436 games played

Dota7.0 = Week1 + Week2 + Week3 + Week4 = 387 + 362 + 406 + 409 = 1564  games played


Week4: Total games = 591+409 = 1000 games played

Dota6.9 = Week3Day7Part2After1000+Day1+Day2+Day3+Day4+Day5to1000= 68+119+125+103+89+87 = 591  map6.9 games finished
Dota7.0 = Week3Day7Part2After1000+Day1+Day2+Day3+Day4+Day5to1000= 61+ 81 + 89 + 72 +61+45 = 409  map7.0 games finished



Week 4
Week3Part2After1000


Dota6.9/games players
12/27
16/26
14/28
13/24
13/24
12+16+14+13+13 = 68/129

Dota7.0/games players
15/27
10/26
14/28
11/24
11/24
15+10+14+11+11 = 61/129

(https://i.imgur.com/4j4DbfH.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZgTrsP8.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/jCOTAFC.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/HeAdQ2N.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/F9ifBmQ.png)


Week4 Day1

Dota6.9/games players
12/28
18/28
17/27
16/26
13/25
19/26
18/27
06/13
12+18+17+16+13+19+18+06 = 119/200

Dota7.0/games players
16/28
10/28
10/27
10/26
12/25
07/26
09/27
07/13
16+10+10+10+12+07+09+07 = 81/200


(https://i.imgur.com/vGhbYA4.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/aJtgxs0.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/55qwJhi.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/dC05IcI.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/oydAppw.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/MpFkU2G.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/IG4aCWV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/YjIT45R.png)


Week4 Day2

Dota6.9/games players
16/29
14/27
16/27
14/27
15/26
15/22
14/22
16/24
05/10
16+14+16+14+15+15+14+16+05 = 125/214

Dota7.0/games players
13/29
13/27
11/27
13/27
11/26
07/22
08/22
08/24
05/10
13+13+11+13+11+07+08+08+05 = 89/214


(https://i.imgur.com/AeRhCSd.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/YAKpy0F.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/e9Hz91L.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/FHVjYXe.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/uug8yz1.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ikR4VQ6.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/THMDiFA.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/tyyqbGu.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/06SkID3.png)


Week4 Day3

Dota6.9/games players
13/26
14/28
18/28
17/29
18/28
17/25
06/11
13+14+18+17+18+17+06 = 103/175


Dota7.0/games players
13/26
14/28
10/28
12/29
10/28
08/25
05/11
13+14+10+12+10+08+05 = 72/175

(https://i.imgur.com/SI40DvO.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/JWMT2k6.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/LkiJttb.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/2IaYZSS.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/JuQHAzp.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/amtSfMm.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/62auuHC.png)


Week4 Day4

Dota6.9/games players
11/25
14/26
14/24
14/23
21/27
15/25
11+14+14+14+21+15 = 89/150

Dota7.0/games players
14/25
12/26
10/24
09/23
06/27
10/25
14+12+10+09+06+10 = 61/150


(https://i.imgur.com/J8HQQoJ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Dq9mv7C.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/H3ct8pm.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/C7YwQ4h.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/YkgUtIk.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/mvxCkFO.png)


Week4 Day5

Dota6.9/games players
04/05
17/27
16/26
19/27
12/22
17/23
02/02
04+17+16+19+12+17+02 = 87/132

Dota7.0/games players
01/05
10/27
10/26
08/27
10/22
06/23
00/02
01+10+10+08+10+06+00 = 45/132

(https://i.imgur.com/Aprz2gg.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/HMq6RSY.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ew5V928.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/CUUpxTe.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/hlKIQlo.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/bO6VLrn.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/5GRfeOx.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on January 02, 2021, 05:53
Week4 Day6 After1000

Dota6.9/games players
15/27
14/25
16/24
21/28
13/23
05/09
15+14+16+21+13+05 = 84/136

Dota7.0/games players
12/27
11/25
08/24
07/28
10/23
04/09
12+11+08+07+10+04 = 52/136


(https://i.imgur.com/5YwnhAE.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/AzVnR0W.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/7jDnbV1.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/swZAXQa.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/rcNh0eV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/uSaXTxC.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: HowTo... on January 02, 2021, 11:37
just a bit visual


(https://i.imgur.com/PS4ZI2G.jpg)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on January 03, 2021, 06:58
Week4 Day7 After1000

Dota6.9/games players
14/27
16/27
16/29
15/26
18/27
14/22
16/24
08/11
14+16+16+15+18+14+16+08 = 117/193

Dota7.0/games players
13/27
11/27
13/29
11/26
09/27
08/22
08/24
03/11
13+11+13+11+09+08+08+03 = 76/193


(https://i.imgur.com/55Hk2vp.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/kzr3f0K.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/iF0Xsox.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/2BEYrJc.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/4dY5eqH.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/hhi0lRU.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/4rvmXHV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/m4stVEf.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on January 05, 2021, 05:40
It looks like Dota7 popularity is going down lately, 2x more Dota6.9 games  :y:

Week5 Day1

Dota6.9/games players
20/26
17/25
19/29
18/25
16/26
18/25
14/24
06/12
20+17+19+18+16+18+14+06 = 128/192 ~ 67%

Dota7.0/games players
06/26
08/25
10/29
07/25
10/26
07/25
10/24
06/12
06+08+10+07+10+07+10+06 = 64/192 ~ 33%

(https://i.imgur.com/b2nAzoZ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ratccLF.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/QyEzSTR.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/VugLdx5.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/65Ajqsq.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/PJOYo7u.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/bctyuoT.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Kh10mfs.png)


Week5 Day2

Dota6.9/games players
19/29
19/28
20/29
16/26
18/27
16/26
21/28
07/08
19+19+20+16+18+16+21+07 = 136/201 ~ 68%

Dota7.0/games players
10/29
09/28
09/29
10/26
09/27
10/26
07/28
01/08
10+09+09+10+09+10+07+01 = 65/201 ~ 32%


(https://i.imgur.com/UAEe39q.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/5DjM2yS.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/RXQG7uE.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZkcMS2z.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/7colXd8.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/8mRRhMx.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UQKrK68.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/k1sar1L.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: nikolagay on January 08, 2021, 13:15
@mordor911 ?
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on January 08, 2021, 14:07
I need my daily, fresh and useless statistical updates, why did you stop? @mordor911
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: AntlermanXXL on January 08, 2021, 20:29
Week5 Day3

Dota6.9/games players
19/29
19/28
20/29
16/26
18/27
16/26
21/28
07/08
19+19+20+16+18+16+21+07 = 136/201 ~ 68%

Dota7.0/games players
10/29
09/28
09/29
10/26
09/27
10/26
07/28
01/08
10+09+09+10+09+10+07+01 = 65/201 ~ 32%


(https://i.imgur.com/UAEe39q.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/5DjM2yS.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/RXQG7uE.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZkcMS2z.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/7colXd8.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/8mRRhMx.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UQKrK68.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/k1sar1L.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: AntlermanXXL on January 08, 2021, 20:30
Week5 Day4

Dota6.9/games players
21/30
16/27
20/29
13/25
17/27
21+16+20+13+17 = 87/138

Dota7.0/games players
09/30
11/27
09/29
12/25
10/27
09+11+09+12+10 = 51/138

(https://i.imgur.com/rhS8DMZ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/22yogQV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UA7EJmD.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/a6YezJ0.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ll1hxiX.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: luke on January 08, 2021, 21:40
gj

We need some automatic solution like a script which would gather statistic and post here

I also suggest starting publishing the LAGABUSE NEWS NEWSPAPER which would contain recent bans, complaints, suggestions, best games of the week, statistics etc
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: Happy.. on January 08, 2021, 21:49
gj
I also suggest starting publishing the LAGABUSE NEWS NEWSPAPER which would contain recent bans, complaints, suggestions, best games of the week, statistics etc

@MarvinJunior applies for the Editor in Chief position.
@grga_man as his Secretary General
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on January 09, 2021, 03:28
Week5 Day3

Dota6.9/games players
15/29
14/28
14/24
11/24
18/27
18/26
13/18
15+14+14+11+18+18+13 = 103/176

Dota7.0/games players
14/29
14/28
10/24
13/24
09/27
08/26
05/18
14+14+10+13+09+08+05 = 73/176

(https://i.imgur.com/fcdVSYN.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/5uiX1ok.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/OiZzxWk.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/N4hU5jY.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/vnEfAHL.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/XVSSR6C.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Hl7kxnc.png)


Week5 Day4 Part1

Dota6.9/games players
01/01
19/28
14/26
19/28
13/19
01+19+14+19+13 = 66/102

Dota7.0/games players
00/01
09/28
12/26
09/28
06/19
00+09+12+09+06 = 36/102


(https://i.imgur.com/7UoRMCG.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/6XLuKk4.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/sqUwlj0.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Xpe4gBC.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/40XylHb.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: mordor911 on January 09, 2021, 04:32
(https://i.imgur.com/Xjihcya.png)
Happy Orthodox Christmas to all who celebrate!
This result is after 5000 games played and after 32 days since unfair advantage was given to Dota2 map - Dota7.
All this to satisfy near 30% of players and to split player base

Dota6.9 = Week1 + Week2 + Week3 + Week4 + Week5 = 613 + 638 + 594 + 591 + 634 = 3070 games played

Dota7.0 = Week1 + Week2 + Week3 + Week4 + Week5 = 387 + 362 + 406 + 409 + 366 = 1930  games played


Week5: Total games = 634 + 366 = 1000 games played

Dota6.9 = Week4Day6After1000+Week4Day7After1000+Week5Day1+Week5Day2+Week5Day3+Week5Day4Part1 = 84 + 117 + 128 + 136 + 103 + 66 = 634 map6.9 games finished

Dota7.0 = Week4Day6After1000+Week4Day7After1000+Week5Day1+Week5Day2+Week5Day3+Week5Day4Part1 = 52 +  76  +  64  +  65  +  73  + 36 = 366 map7.0 games finished

Week4 Day6 After1000

Dota6.9/games players
15/27
14/25
16/24
21/28
13/23
05/09
15+14+16+21+13+05 = 84/136

Dota7.0/games players
12/27
11/25
08/24
07/28
10/23
04/09
12+11+08+07+10+04 = 52/136


(https://i.imgur.com/5YwnhAE.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/AzVnR0W.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/7jDnbV1.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/swZAXQa.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/rcNh0eV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/uSaXTxC.png)

Week4 Day7 After1000

Dota6.9/games players
14/27
16/27
16/29
15/26
18/27
14/22
16/24
08/11
14+16+16+15+18+14+16+08 = 117/193

Dota7.0/games players
13/27
11/27
13/29
11/26
09/27
08/22
08/24
03/11
13+11+13+11+09+08+08+03 = 76/193


(https://i.imgur.com/55Hk2vp.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/kzr3f0K.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/iF0Xsox.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/2BEYrJc.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/4dY5eqH.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/hhi0lRU.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/4rvmXHV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/m4stVEf.png)

It looks like Dota7 popularity is going down lately, 2x more Dota6.9 games  :y:

Week5 Day1

Dota6.9/games players
20/26
17/25
19/29
18/25
16/26
18/25
14/24
06/12
20+17+19+18+16+18+14+06 = 128/192 ~ 67%

Dota7.0/games players
06/26
08/25
10/29
07/25
10/26
07/25
10/24
06/12
06+08+10+07+10+07+10+06 = 64/192 ~ 33%

(https://i.imgur.com/b2nAzoZ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ratccLF.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/QyEzSTR.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/VugLdx5.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/65Ajqsq.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/PJOYo7u.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/bctyuoT.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Kh10mfs.png)


Week5 Day2

Dota6.9/games players
19/29
19/28
20/29
16/26
18/27
16/26
21/28
07/08
19+19+20+16+18+16+21+07 = 136/201 ~ 68%

Dota7.0/games players
10/29
09/28
09/29
10/26
09/27
10/26
07/28
01/08
10+09+09+10+09+10+07+01 = 65/201 ~ 32%


(https://i.imgur.com/UAEe39q.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/5DjM2yS.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/RXQG7uE.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZkcMS2z.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/7colXd8.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/8mRRhMx.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UQKrK68.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/k1sar1L.png)

Week5 Day3

Dota6.9/games players
15/29
14/28
14/24
11/24
18/27
18/26
13/18
15+14+14+11+18+18+13 = 103/176

Dota7.0/games players
14/29
14/28
10/24
13/24
09/27
08/26
05/18
14+14+10+13+09+08+05 = 73/176

(https://i.imgur.com/fcdVSYN.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/5uiX1ok.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/OiZzxWk.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/N4hU5jY.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/vnEfAHL.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/XVSSR6C.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Hl7kxnc.png)


Week5 Day4 Part1

Dota6.9/games players
01/01
19/28
14/26
19/28
13/19
01+19+14+19+13 = 66/102

Dota7.0/games players
00/01
09/28
12/26
09/28
06/19
00+09+12+09+06 = 36/102


(https://i.imgur.com/7UoRMCG.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/6XLuKk4.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/sqUwlj0.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Xpe4gBC.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/40XylHb.png)

It is never late to bring end to this injustice, here are solutions:

Quote
Dota6.9 is more popular and in normal conditions without favoritism of Dota7 not less than 70% of total Dota games are expected to be map6.9 games. It is more than obvious to see this number is increasing every day for Dota6.9. Dota7 aka Dota2 game popularity drops, few individuals are trying hard and they play all day long just to keep some normal number, but barely... Make Dota6.9 map default again with !pub command, see my proofs/daily statistics, over 1000 games difference and over 10000 accounts involved to make this difference.
Gaming experience has been ruined to 70% players with switching command and here are few ideas how to fix current situation and to improve gaming experience to everyone:

- 1. Just switch map again, Dota6.9 as default map with !pub command and Dota7 with !pubSomething

- 2. Separate 2 leagues with 2 ladders for new season, with separated commands and with separated custom games
/w lagabuse !pub name - for Dota6.9
/w la-dota !pub name - for Dota7
or vice versa, /w lagabuse was used in past for original Dota and should be given to Dota6.9
/w customgame !pub name - for custom games

- 3. If separating like this is not possible, give back !pub to 6.9 and make 2 ladders for 2 games. Make exception in database to split 2 maps into 2 public ladders.

- 4. If all above is not possible make !pub to be informative and give to both maps !pubSomething
Quote
    /w la-dota !pub name
    You whisper to la-dota: !pub name
    la-dota whispers: To host Dota6.9 map use /w la-dota !pubc name | To host Dota7.0 map use /w la-dota !pubn name
To repeat again, favoritism of Dota7 without valid reason is damaging Dota6.9 in the long run, and Dota6.9 is much more popular with 70% of player base and need to be primary and default map, if not default, then give equality, no advantage should be given to Dota7. The only reason why default map was changed is to damage more popular map in favor to Dota2 and cocky individuals who lobbied to happen and who are not active players while in meanwhile these the very same people are advertising another platform/server.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: HowTo... on January 09, 2021, 13:34
Here is contribution of mine to this topic
(https://i.imgur.com/HhD6Q84.jpg)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: cen on January 09, 2021, 19:57
The fact that number of games and rate has not really changed since the switch just proves that command reassignment has no effect and people play whatever they want and are not dumb. So "unfair advantage" has no base in facts which you yourself provide. Neither map is favored in any way other than 1 letter command difference.

We are also no separating ladder because it is too much work and nobody showed that differences between v6 and v7 are so great that PSR gains from either map are not comparable. If one map gave some unfair advantage in stat gains I would consider it but nothing of such nature was argued in this topic. As it stands, gaining PSR from either map is equal in difficulty unless someone can argue the contrary and show a significant difference.

I will soon close this topic since it has no further purpose.
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: AntlermanXXL on January 10, 2021, 14:30
Week5 Day5

Dota6.9/games players
19/29
19/28
20/29
16/26
18/27
16/26
21/28
07/08
19+19+20+16+18+16+21+07 = 136/201 ~ 68%

Dota7.0/games players
10/29
09/28
09/29
10/26
09/27
10/26
07/28
01/08
10+09+09+10+09+10+07+01 = 65/201 ~ 32%


(https://i.imgur.com/UAEe39q.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/5DjM2yS.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/RXQG7uE.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZkcMS2z.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/7colXd8.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/8mRRhMx.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UQKrK68.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/k1sar1L.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: AntlermanXXL on January 10, 2021, 14:30
Week5 Day6

Dota6.9/games players
21/30
16/27
20/29
13/25
17/27
21+16+20+13+17 = 87/138

Dota7.0/games players
09/30
11/27
09/29
12/25
10/27
09+11+09+12+10 = 51/138

(https://i.imgur.com/rhS8DMZ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/22yogQV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UA7EJmD.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/a6YezJ0.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ll1hxiX.png)
Title: Re: Dota6.9 and Dota7 comparison, statistics and suggestions
Post by: AntlermanXXL on January 10, 2021, 14:30
(https://i.imgur.com/HhD6Q84.jpg)