Surveyif there wont be !balance command based on players stats and not based on their psr i dont think that is useful.
Maybe give more psr for games with balance typed before start with no changes and less for normal games?I like
you could make unbalanced games excluded from the statistic, there for those who want to play with "friends" can keep playing.
HOWEVER, this doesnt mean that scourge will lose 100% for obvious reasons idk if
These are the so called top 20 players if I am
-borilla
-fataliy+wutch (cos they play together)
- (you can insert some random of those or whatever)
-greatwolf
-pastmistake
Scourge team:
-denyro
-fairy
-bolt
-kealthas
-insert some random
I mean it's pretty much impossible to have everyone satisfied with the balancing system. The problem arises when on one team there's a group of 2-5 players who want to play together (whether they do it to gain easy psr or just want to have fun playing together doesn't really matter) and on the other side there are 5 solo players. Even if both of these teams have the same average psr, the team that has a group of friends in it will win most of the games.if u see a locked team and u think they will win the game easy then u can allways leave no need to change psr system for everything.
Now, the easy and the obvious solution would be to match the team with a group of players (be that 3+2, 4+1 or 5) who play together versus another team with a group of players (be that 3+2, 4+1 or 5), but the problem is that we don't have nearly as many players to achieve something like that.
Another "solution" could be reducing the psr gain by half to the players who are locked together, but this doesn't really solve the problem of improving the game quality.
I wonder, is it possible to make that player could change his name color in the lobby?
Let's say the position
1 - blue
2 - green
3 - red
4 - yellow
5 - orange
Let's say I join ap game and type !color blue and my nick becomes blue, there for host/team knows that I'm going to play carry, or I don't feel like farming and type !color orange and my nick becomes orange.
If you have more colorful people with decided roles, you can split support players, carry players and therefor making a game more balanced.
Of course, you need to explain what roles are and what they do. It will take time until all players would get accustomed to this, but it would drastically improve game quality and balance.
p.s. it could be any other indication about role you want to play beside color.
PS: If you dont have enough people I could hellp to make the new rules and try to enforce them.
I didnt want to post but whateverIm impressed somebody is actually aware of the whole picture here,i couldnt have said it better myself.Its beyond me that some of those players u named who are pretty good individually still lack knowledge about the game basics.If u were to ask some of them what are the positions,1 to 5,most of them would have no clue .
Lets look at previous "top 20 ladder" players and imagine a game with 1700+ psr
borilla, kealthas, deynro, fatality, wutch, fairy, liie and you can add or change with bunch of others like bolt, troll, ayds, thror, pastmistake, greatwolf etc.
These are the so called top 20 players if I am right. Lets imagine a game with full of these players (95% it happens to be few of them in same game-lobby).
In sentinel team:
-borilla
-fataliy+wutch (cos they play together)
- (you can insert some random of those or whatever)
-greatwolf
-pastmistake
Scourge team:
-denyro
-fairy
-bolt
-kealthas
-insert some random
So, here is the question, is this game balanced even with 1700-1800+PSR players?
My answer is, No.
Because I personally, more or less know their play-style and what they are capable of. However, (this is the most important part) it is according to me, to my observation, to my perception.
Some of those players "strategy" might connect while at the same time might not. And here starts the real problem, current host of the game, wants to balance game according to "his imagination" by saying this player is good and this player is shit. But again, its according to "his opinion".
So lets go back to "why it is not balanced" question. If we continue with our example above, team sentinel will have 2 supports, midlaner, carry and offlaner. (borilla or fatality mid, wutch will play either support or any role he likes, wolf will play some yakiro or cm, pastmistake maybe phoenix idk)
meanwhile team scourge will have deynro mid, fairy spectre or something, bolt the mega hooker, kealthas tiny, and some random who will be forced to play support while he is going to get creeps or idk buy items instead of wards.
While team sentinel has few players with higher winrate, team scourge has maybe less. For this reason its possible to say its unbalanced. HOWEVER, this doesnt mean that scourge will lose 100% for obvious reasons idk if I have to say but whatever I will.
Sentinel can have miscommunications (or throw the game) and lose the game easily. These players have different knowledge whether they are 1800 or 2000+psr. This is the part where it comes to "psr-rank is just a number" or as mister Antlerman pointed "imaginary balance". (I dont really wanna go further with examples, I could use tons of with so called "Professional DotA2 Players")
As a conclusion I would say, I just pointed maybe 1 or 2 things that show balance is imaginary, meanwhile there are many points which can be added. If you want to change balance system do it as you please, however, just dont do anything related with "playing with friends" or with its stereotype word "stacking".
Thanks
Locking 4 pro friends with you is not considered stacker host. However, when i have 14/3/12 k/d/a and I dont know the host but he still locks me with him thats considered stacking.
I had an account with 15/4/12 and 50% of the games I was locked top without knowing the host , or swapped top after the balance. At least this kind of behavior from people that do it daily should be punished.
Guys you are overcomplicating things, while its as simple as: Host your own game and play the way you like.
Yeah this makes him pathetic and we already realized this in some other topic, He should get banned for spamming especially since its in purpose of "deceiving". But as a host he is allowed to do any lockings, and players are free to leave the game if they don't like it.
Yeah this makes him pathetic and we already realized this in some other topic, He should get banned for spamming especially since its in purpose of "deceiving". But as a host he is allowed to do any lockings, and players are free to leave the game if they don't like it.
We all know that currently the host can lock and do as you want. For this reason I suggested to change the rules so that excessive stacking wouldnt be allowed.
Things and circumstances change. In the past you could leave the lobby and join an other lobby or host your own game. Now, especially during after 2 server time this is not possible due to lack of players. You either stay and tolerate this pathetic lobby or leave and waitr 30-60min for the next game or go to sleep. The stacking hosts know that and abuse it!
Seeveral times I told to some host politely please dont stack and the response was to kick me and laugh with the fact that now I had to go offline since there was no other game to join and hosting pointless since already the 30 online players are ingame.
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6252945
02:42 TooShade !balance
02:46 TooShade !sp
02:56 TooShade !Lock tes (locked feeder bot)
02:57 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u (spam to hide stacking)
03:10 TooShade !Lock pal (locked feeder bot)
03:10 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u (spam to hide stacking)
04:56 TooShade !Lock java (locked feeder bot)
04:56 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u (spam to hide stacking)
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6252624
00:23 TooShade !balance
00:51 TooShade !Lock dark (locked feeder bot)
00:52 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
01:10 TooShade !Balance
01:16 TooShade !Lock cd(locked feeder bot)
01:16 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
01:53 TooShade !balance
01:56 TooShade !lock more(locked feeder bot)
01:56 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
.......... and the stacking continues
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6252545
06:44 TooShade !Lock dav(locked feeder bot)
06:44 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
08:37 TooShade !Lock gom(locked feeder bot)
08:37 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
08:47 TooShade !Lock 3az(locked feeder bot)
08:47 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
08:53 3az3az has left the game.
09:37 TooShade !Lock 3az(locked feeder bot)
09:37 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
09:55 TooShade !Lock 01(locked feeder bot)
09:55 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
.......... and the stacking continues
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6251259
01:46 TooShade !lock sco(locked feeder bot)
01:46 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
01:49 TooShade !Lock si(locked feeder bot)
01:49 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6251075
04:22 [pietruch] PSR: 1548 games: 1158 W/L: 3/0
04:22 H. K/D/A 1.33/5.33/8.67 C. K/D/N 222.67/5.67/141.67
04:24 TooShade !Lock pie (Lock feeder player bot)
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6251051
02:25 [nihal_kotar] PSR: 1440 games: 781 W/L: 14/16
02:25 H. K/D/A 4.53/9.00/12.90 C. K/D/N 84.13/3.43/22.63
02:30 TooShade !lock kot(locked feeder bot)
02:30 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
05:03 TooShade !Lock salo(locked feeder bot)
05:03 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
06:08 TooShade !Lock giub(locked feeder bot)
06:08 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
06:37 TooShade !lock has(locked feeder bot)
06:37 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6251874
01:46 TooShade !Lock ras(locked feeder bot)
01:46 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
06:42 TooShade !Lock dra(locked feeder bot)
06:42 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
08:42 TooShade !Lock iron(locked feeder bot)
08:42 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
http://dota.eurobattle.net/la/forum/index.php?action=gameinfo;sa=game;gid=6250002
01:06 TooShade !Lock moz(locked feeder bot)
01:06 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
01:30 TooShade !lock -[ (locked feeder bot)
01:30 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
01:54 TooShade !swap 4 8
01:54 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u
01:57 TooShade !Lock _sk(locked feeder bot)
01:57 TooShade !hold f u c k . y o u f u c k . y o u(spam to hide stacking)
If uve only seen stuff like this thanks to ernestos post,u gotta be one of those guys who just enter a lobby and afk it til the moment ure kicked/game started.Started with the popular mk stackers few years back if i recall,even they dont do that anymore tho
All you have to do is to remove the kda/stats system and all problems, dramas etc are solved. It's that simple!
Take notes! MONGOLOIDS!