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Re: All the questions u ever wanted to ask about dota!
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2012, 17:54 »
oh dota support u no help meh? :((

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Re: All the questions u ever wanted to ask about dota!
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2012, 19:10 »
Abaddon - mom + basher = gg
Plus, mom during ulti is imba, i usually go for s&y or heart then
Medusa - stats and snake until lvl 10 (or when u max), enough survivability and dmg. then get manta as it gives you even more stats, ms, and as. then diffusal as you're practically have 2 ultimates. when u have dmg, start lvling multi shot and push for more gold. after that it's usually gg. For exceptions, get lifesteal and buriza
penguin - bloodstone gives u hp and mp regen as it says on it. bonus from charges is explained in the discription also.
as for veil and medallion, there is no support there, except more physical and spell dmg.
Force staff is one of the best utility items as you can push ANYONE, including your allies, thus making yourself their escape mech
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Re: All the questions u ever wanted to ask about dota!
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2012, 19:19 »
can u pls tell me how to best counter dual mid in -cm mode, how does bloodstone affects mana reg and hp reg and explain me pls how does force staff, veil of discord, and medallion can support ur teammates particularly in cm mode. ty kind sir

oh dota support u no help meh? :((

double post, no need to spam dude be patient

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Re: All the questions u ever wanted to ask about dota!
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2012, 19:23 »
i wants to learn!
ty shpura

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Re: All the questions u ever wanted to ask about dota!
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2012, 20:00 »
For medusa: You only need bloodstone and you will have great survivability, then you can focus on dps items like mjollnir, buriza, assault(also for survivability), BoT or PT and mby butterfly... But you should decide on the item build ingame after you see how your team is doing because you can have imba farm with medusa due to her snake skill!


As for carry abbadon: PT or BoT, and if u can get fast radiance you should go for it, basher is a must for carry abadon that u will later upgrade to abys, BKB if they have disablers, assault, and mby some lifesteal or focus on more dmg cause u got shield and ulti...
Abaddon - mom + basher = gg
Plus, mom during ulti is imba, i usually go for s&y or heart then
Medusa - stats and snake until lvl 10 (or when u max), enough survivability and dmg. then get manta as it gives you even more stats, ms, and as. then diffusal as you're practically have 2 ultimates. when u have dmg, start lvling multi shot and push for more gold. after that it's usually gg. For exceptions, get lifesteal and buriza
penguin - bloodstone gives u hp and mp regen as it says on it. bonus from charges is explained in the discription also.
as for veil and medallion, there is no support there, except more physical and spell dmg.
Force staff is one of the best utility items as you can push ANYONE, including your allies, thus making yourself their escape mech

thx a lot both +1
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Re: All the questions u ever wanted to ask about dota!
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2012, 21:13 »
any time

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Re: All the questions u ever wanted to ask about dota!
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2012, 22:03 »
can someone complety help meh? with dual mid end stuffz?

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Re: All the questions u ever wanted to ask about dota!
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2012, 23:17 »
well that depends entirely who are you playing with and who are enemies playing

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Re: All the questions u ever wanted to ask about dota!
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2012, 23:22 »
how to counter cent+tuskar

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Re: All the questions u ever wanted to ask about dota!
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2012, 23:25 »
how to counter cent+tuskar
If you mean their stun combo: force staff or blink dagger, magic immunity

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Re: All the questions u ever wanted to ask about dota!
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2012, 23:27 »
can someone complety help meh? with dual mid end stuffz?

How dual mid? U are range vs 2 mid, what heroes, how do they play etc etc?? In my case the best counter is to have vision of a greater area, ask for some ganks from your team, get some regen items and just focus on getting cs and denies, try to keep your creeps closer to your hill sou you have some fog protection... Medalion is not that expensive item and it allows your carry to do more dmg without him haveing to sacrifice his own armor, supports can die so it's better for them to have their armor lowered then your carry... forcestaff is a great escape mech cause it is never disabled, and shpura told u you can help your allies in many ways also you can take out one of their heroes out of the fight if they turn to the wrong side so its an imba item and as for the veil of discord, if you have shaker in your team or sand king or any aoe mass dmg omg wtf spell veil can be a complete game turner, if the situation is right shaker with aghanims could whipe out "the whole map"... If any1 else has sth to add please do...



how to counter cent+tuskar


Send omni mid or send a range hero that would hug the tower and try to get as much cs as possible, mirana is a good choice for this cause she has leap, also weaver would be a good choice althou he can be countered with wards but you can always ask from your supports to come antiward them...or send a hard carry to farm mid but some support behind that has silence, so if they roll he can silence them so they dont do stun+double edge etc...
« Last Edit: April 19, 2012, 23:32 by [kosarkas] »

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Re: All the questions u ever wanted to ask about dota!
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2012, 23:59 »
can somone explain AA 's ulti with mechanics and details ?

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Re: All the questions u ever wanted to ask about dota!
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2012, 01:24 »
First projectile is dummy hero unit (to provide minimap dot), invisible to enemies. Moves at 1500 units per second speed. Stops when you re-cast spell, die or projectile reaches map edge. Grants vision in 500 Aoe around it, including a while after it stops.

Second missle is actual projectile, with speed scaling depending on distance (always hit with 2s delay), and AoE dependant on how far you sent it. Formula for impact AoE is 225 + [50*Time traveled] (time travelled is incremented each 0.5 seconds, IIRC), capped at 1000.

Upon impact, deals 250/350/450 magical damage in AoE and applies frostbite for 8/9/10 seconds.

Frostbite:
- Stores unit current HP as MaxHp upon being applied
- Each 0.1s checks current HP. If higher, sets current hp to MaxHp. If lower, updates MaxHp with current HP. This is how regeneration is prevented. As a consequence, this blocks everything except triggered heals up to 100% (triggered heals will easily heal back damage taken before frostbite runs another check, so damage won't be even noticed).
- Above trigger will be disabled when near fountain, storing current HP as max hp regardless if higher or lower.
- Deals 12.5/25/32 magical damage each second.
- If unit is below 10%/11%/12% and takes any damage, shatter will trigger with damage dealer as source (not necessarily Ancient Apparition).
- Shatter checks if unit is affected by Shallow grave, and if not, removes all buffs then deals 100 000 000 physical damage. Will never trigger on illusions or meepo clones.
- Frostbite buff can be purged, stopping it's effect.

Not sure about denying frostbitten unit, can't say now wether allied damage can trigger shatter or not. Plus, you prolly have to be able to damage your ally first (with bloodrage or when under effect of certain DoT abilities).
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Re: All the questions u ever wanted to ask about dota!
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2012, 09:48 »
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- If unit is below 10%/11%/12% and takes any damage, shatter will trigger with damage dealer as source (not necessarily Ancient Apparition).


tell me about this part. is enemy has to be 10%/11%/12%  before ulti or is it still count if he drops to 10%/11%/12% while effected by ulti

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Re: All the questions u ever wanted to ask about dota!
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2012, 10:11 »
Unit has to be under frostbite buff (which is during ulti). So there's up to 10s (depending on level) to trigger shatter.
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